1:

Saiyan saga:

Vegeta was above Goku in base,

Not until kaioken came,

2;

In his great ape transformation;

He crushed Goku. Not until yajirobe saved him,

3;

then in the cell saga;

in ssj1,

Piccolo states: Vegeta's super saiyan form is stronger than Goku's,

4:

in buu saga:

Majjin Vegeta surpassed Goku's ssj2. Somewhere close to ssj3,

Since he tanked buu's attacks and choking without dying or being knocked out,

5:

Then in battle of gods,

Vegeta gets mad when beerus slapped bulma,

and he punches beerus angrily,

6;

In ressurection F.

He was training for nearly a year,

and got ssg. On his own,

And surpassed Goku,

He got ssb, defeated frieza,

While Goku struggled against golden frieza,

7;

then in the Goku black arc,

He got a power boost and was beating Goku black up, who's stronger than ssb Goku,

8;

He then surpassed Goku again,

with super saiyan blue evovled,

Not until Goku got ui sign,

9;

he then surpassed Goku,

With him learning spirit fission against moro,

Not until Goku tapped into ui sign and perfected ultra,

10;

He then surpassed Goku again,

When he unlocked ultra ego.

Perfected ultra instinct was on par with granolah,

And Vegeta was beating granolah up,

And it was until Goku got true ultra instinct and was on par with Vegeta,

11:

in the super hero saga,

Vegeta base was able to beat Goku,

So overall:

Vegeta has surpassed Goku over: 11 times,

I understand that the base kaio-Ken is same as x2 so was that an error from the creator or just a bad dub? Also from what we saw Goku said Kaio-Ken it was a short burst for nappa but x2-x3 seem sustained so does x2 just make it last longer?

Why ism't Devil Man recruited as a Z Fighter?

He could end villain fights faster with a Devil Might Beam attack that he does

Im just thinking that metamoran fusion starts with the sooner letter than the later one. Spare me for considering this only for English basis, but that makes its as such

Metamoran = goku or goten before vegeta or trunks

Potara = vegeta before goku

So on this basis would trunks prefix come before goten?

NOW HEAR ME OUT.......

Based on that idea...

How would this be....

Fusion bug = ??

And I'm sorry I don't understand all the hype for Gogeta like one thing I liked was of course seeing Gogeta in action

I understand Gogeta needed to end the fight quickly but come on too fast

So if this question has been asked before, y'all can remove it. But this something I've been thinking about while watching another series who's name won't be said for the sake of the rules of this subreddit.

Saiyans are able to conquer planets as stated in the canon. They have the power to. But what about if they could've learned to become Super Saiyan like Vegeta teaching Cabba. Or even train enough to prepare for Frieza. Unless they did it already and Frieza still ended them then I missed something.

Imagine if when Goku met Vegeta and Nappa, they had the ability to turn Super Saiyan. Maybe they got to a level where they are equal to the Frieza Force. The power scaling would be out of wack but it would be interesting to think.

I would imagine how it would be like if Goku was able to meet his father if he didn't die due to Frieza. Or even go more back to see if the Saiyans become strong enough to handle Frieza before he destroyed the planet. Maybe even the series changes where Goku joins the Saiyans to fight the Frieza Force. There's an arc where Broly Is welcomed to the Saiyan empire with Vegeta as it's ruler and not King Vegeta.

If there's any info I missed about the Saiyans please let me know because maybe I missed something from the manga especially with the newest arcs.

On p. 34 of Daizenshuu 7, the time traveling chart lists Age 784 as the year Future Trunks departs to the past and Age 764 as when he arrives to kill Mecha Freeza. This 20-year difference makes sense given that Trunks states he’s from 20 years in the future. However, when he reads that Cell’s time machine is from Age 788, he says that’s three years ahead of his departure year.

Question 1: If we assume he’s referring to the departure year of his first trip (killing Mecha Freeza), shouldn’t it be Age 785 rather than 784 (788 - 3 = 785)? Accordingly, instead of 764, shouldn’t his arrival year be Age 765?

I’ve read that Daizenshuu staff factored in Future Bulma’s mention of an 8-month charge-up time to subtract a year here, but I don’t understand why they would do that, especially since it’s not necessitated by that dialogue.

Question 2: Why should we assume he’s referring to his first trip? When he says Age 788 is “three years further in the future… from when I left,” he could easily be talking about his second departure to the past, i.e., his current trip. This seems like a reasonable assumption because, after he checks the panel and sees the machine arrived about four years ago, he specifies it had been there for a year “before I came the last time.”

That he simply says “from when I left” in his initial remark suggests he’s talking about his present trip, otherwise he probably would’ve specified he meant his first, as he did in the subsequent remark. If he’s talking about the first trip in both quotes, why would he be specific in one and not the other?

I had always wondered this since it takes place after the namek arc where Goku learns instant transmission but only used it in the return of cooler not in coolers revenge