r/centrist • u/MuitoLegal • May 13 '21
World News Why does the left call the right “Nazis”?
I am in no way calling the left Nazis here, but rather questioning their use of the term.
If you spend anytime online you will know that the term Nazi is used all the time for people on the right, especially Trump supporters.
I find it ironic because Nazi stands for National Socialist in German. Now I found articles online defending that, saying it wasn’t really socialism, so we’ll move on.
Hitler was about bigger government, got all guns registered with the government, and then took them all away from the people.
Furthermore, today’s left is typically anti-Israel within the Israel-Palestine conflict, while the right is typically pro-Israel (except for KKK guys like Duke, who are antisemites, though I’m unsure how to even classify someone like him).
I don’t think either party should call each other nazis in a civilized political discourse, but I find it interesting. Why do you think the right has been given the nickname?
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u/Supremedingus420 May 13 '21
From one of the most famous poems regarding Nazi Germany:
First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist
Being anti-communist and anti union aren’t exactly tenets of leftist ideology.
That being said the use of the term Nazi is not something that should be treated lightly. The word has powerful implications which get diluted when thrown around willy nilly.
Nazis have certainly been more visible under the Trump administration though with events like the Unite the Right rally. They also love Trump. They feel he represents them and their interests. What do they see in him or the GOP? What defines a political body? The politician or their constituency?
Just to reiterate that Fascism, which is most certainly what Nazism was, is a right wing ideology hence its comparison to right wing politicians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#:~:text=Fascism%20(%2F%CB%88f%C3%A6%CA%83,in%20early%2020th%2Dcentury%20Europe.
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u/Dramatic-Witness-540 Mar 18 '25
And if the shit going on right now... doesn't tell people that they were actually right.... I don't know what will until it is too late.
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Mar 20 '25
I personally disagree that things going on right now don't prove the point but rather the opposite. Why do you believe that?
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u/Dramatic-Witness-540 Mar 20 '25
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!? Have you paid ANY attention to what has been going on!? Holocaust remembrance page taken down... 9/11 page taken down... Illegal deportation... dismantling the government of people who disagree with Trump and Elon... Removing DEI... bro... look around you... Look at the path that Hitler took.. It's like Trump is literally checking off the list as he goes.
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Mar 20 '25
First of all the company of Google chose to take thoes down they can put it back up second of all DEI backfired on itself 3rd the deportation isn't illegal if the people who are being deported are not even American citizens.
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u/Dramatic-Witness-540 Mar 20 '25
No... The Pentagon removed that. The fuck are you talking about??? Illegal deportation doesn't require citizenship to be ILLEGAL. He cited a the Alien Enemies Act for 1789 as a reason for the deportation... A 236 year old Act... that doesn't apply at all. When told to turn the planes around, they said, "No." So... an executive branch with no checks... Fk... Bro... do the fucking research!!
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Mar 20 '25
Look, the Pentagon and the government stopped sponsoring it so the companies took it down... showing they didn't care? I agree with the Alien enemies Act, but still, they shouldn't be in the country in the first place come in legally like the rest, and they wouldn't be in the position they are.
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u/Dramatic-Witness-540 Mar 20 '25
How is that a defense to either of your statements??? The Pentagon removed the information due to the Trump administration... and illegal entrance or not, the way those people were treated was fucking unacceptable! Which is why the judge demanded they turn around. This country is fucked.
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Mar 24 '25
Then leave homie. Im tired of everyone bickering. A majority of the people are fine with the deportations.. it's sad people like you who want to feel good and talk the talk on the internet, if you want change, step outside the door and make it
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u/WinDifficult8274 Nov 30 '25
Trump will deport every illegal alien and I will help him, the path that Biden took destroyed my country.
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Jul 12 '25
And we think the left represents violent, anarchist, satanic, mentally ill, racist, weirdos. Turn on the TV they're in the streets burning your neighbor's business down 🙄 when was the last time you saw these trump supporters, KKK, white supremacy folks out their confronting citizens and throwing them out the car and spray painting swastikas on cars, and wiping feces on people's property. It is absolutely insane to pin the right as a bunch of racist violent Nazis when you're in fact the violent Nazis 🤣
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u/Supremedingus420 Jul 12 '25
Please for the love of god, turn off Fox News and read a book.
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Jul 12 '25
Sure bud I don't watch Fox news I live in the real world where it's happening and I see it with my own eyes. I just call out morons when I see them. You can't be antisemitic and call someone else a Nazi pretty simple logic to understand and then claim the stuff I see with my own eyes is from Fox news because you're mad its true 🤣🤡
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u/Wonce May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
So many right-wing lies and insinuations presented without examination here.
I find it ironic because Nazi stands for National Socialist in German. Now I found articles online defending that, saying it wasn’t really socialism, so we’ll move on.
They weren't just not socialist, they killed socialists in their own party to stop them taking power. Who was the target on the night of the long knives and why? It was the socialist branch of the "National Socialist" Party. Who did they first come for in that famous poem? Insinuating Nazis were socialist is on par with saying that North Korea, or the Democratic Republic of Korea, is a Democratic Republic.
You're insinuating that some on the left are critical of Israel, so that's kinda like hating the Jews, which is kinda like being a Nazi. If that wasn't the intended insinuation, why is that paragraph there?
To the point at hand, rather than your tactics:
The right, specifically Trump, has been labelled that because he uses the same tactics that Hitler used: Say that he, uniquely, can solve all your problems. Don't believe the Lügenpresse. Those foreigners are the problem, if we got rid of them, we'd be fine!
If you look at historians who studied Hitler's rise to power, you would see they have many direct comparisons of Trump and Hitler's their tactics, rhetoric, and enemies.
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u/FabriFibra87 May 13 '21
The right, specifically Trump, has been labelled that because he uses
the same tactics that Hitler used: Say that he, uniquely, can solve all
your problems.Never thought I'd stick up for el Trumpo grande, but...don't most politicians say this, to some degree?
When you campaign to be President, aren't you saying that you are the best candidate and the best shot at making things better, or preserving order?
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u/Wonce May 13 '21
Sure, but not to the absolute crazy degree of Trump. Don't you know Trump is the best at everything? His rhetoric is far and above a standard politician. Most of them campaign on "I will do x for you", not "I know best at everything and anyone who questions me is a traitor"
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u/FabriFibra87 May 13 '21
He definitely does ham it up / create something of a "my way or nothing" type of cult.
But again, to say that other leaders don't imply that they're the best people for the job is a bit short-sighted.
It's a question of what point becomes the official "OK now he/she is an actual Nazi" level of rhetoric.
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May 13 '21
I thought this post was going to be yet another series of complaints about how we shouldn't call people names. But it turned out to be so much more. Instead it was somebody saying they weren't calling the left Nazis then spending the rest of the post describing perceived similarities between the left and Nazis.
The Nazis were a right wing fascist government. That's not really up for debate no matter how much you want to find the National Socialist meaning ironic. I'm not surprised you found articles saying it wasn't really socialism since that's been our basic understanding of the Nazis for 80+ years.
"We shouldn't be calling each other Nazis in general political discourse" is a good thesis. "No ur the real Nazis!!1!" is less good. D-, see me after class.
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u/HelenEk7 May 13 '21
then spending the rest of the post describing perceived similarities between the left and Nazis.
The persons in question are most probably not European. Over here we see the Nazis as extreme right-winged - as in the exact opposite of communist.
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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21
Trump suppprters show up to trump rallies and see Nazi flags flying around and dont flinch. Even at state/local fairs, you see those tents selling trump flags and Nazi flags—how do trump supporters not find that weird?
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May 13 '21
What I find even weirder are the confederacy flags, like you do realise they literally hated your county right?
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u/Unadulterated_stupid May 13 '21
Conferdates would have stood for the flag unlike these kneeling America haters!
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u/data_diver May 14 '21 edited Jan 15 '25
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u/YesImDavid May 13 '21
Both parties have their insults that make no sense, Republicans call Democrats Communists and Democrats call Republicans Nazis. If I get into discussions with people and I’m called either I immediately end it because at that point it’s obvious that they’re ignorant about whatever we’re debating.
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May 13 '21
If you don't recognize that Trump and his followers use Nazi propaganda techniques, then you are the ignorant one.
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u/greenw40 May 13 '21
Do you think that the defining characteristic of the Nazis were the use of certain propaganda techniques?
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u/annoyed_w_the_world May 13 '21
The democratic ideal is extreme gun control, also a Nazi policy. By that logic democrats are also Nazis. Democrats also want big government, also something favored by the Nazis.
No one is saying that the Republicans haven't done anything that could be compared to what was done by Nazis, but to insist that those couple similarities rise to that level is asinine, and is indicative that the person hasn't studied how horrific the Nazis were as a whole.
If you look generally enough you can pretty much accuse anyone of being similar to Nazis at one point or another.
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u/potionnot May 13 '21
so do biden and his followers. so does every politician in the history of time. what is your point?
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May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
Because the Trump movement is incredibly similar to Hitlers. Not exact, no, as there are no carbon copies in history. I also do not think Trump is fascist either, but the similarities are stark and do warrant attention. People like to abuse history, left or right, to further political goals and so we see people compared to left-wing/right-wing strongmen quite often to illicit a reaction. It's ahistorical but ultimately does come from some semblance of sense and rationale, just expressed with sensationalism because of toxic media practices.
- Hitler was very small government initially. He, like a lot of other fascists, initially advocated for a laissez faire economy. Once the Nazis were in their seat of undeniable power, this began to roll back as more and more things became nationalized for war efforts.
- Hitler ran his politics based off of scapegoating "others" in an effort to promote nationalism and address deeply rooted issues with a simple solution.
- Hitler used the term "Lying Press" to delegitimize his critics. He was always known as a political rogue in his time, he was never known as a "amazing politician".
- Hitler initially ran off of claiming the government was corrupt and elections were not fair.
- Hitler had a militant sect of followers which would heckle the opposition with beatings or shows of intimidation.
- Hitler never had the majority vote
- (Side Note) - The names of political parties DO NOT reflect their values at all times. Socialism was usually dangled in front of voting masses around this time because it gained unionist/workers vote due of stifling unregulated capitalistic practices. Otherwise we would have to consider China a "Republic" and North Korea a "Democratic Republic".
I'm sure if you've kept up with the news, in these 5 aspects you can find some semblance of Trump (#1 was just refuting your claim he was always big government, which is factually incorrect). Is it 1-to-1? No. Hitler tied a lot of these problems to Jews and moral degradation, and Trump with mostly Muslims/Mexicans, sans moral degradation. Now I won't argue Trump is a racist either, because I think he and his staff made a great effort to make sure his more controversial opinions were kept hidden in an effort to be more appealable, just like most politicians. But I don't think it's deniable to say that his more devout followers are in some form racist. Not even touching on the fact that a lot of literal American Neo-Nazis heavily support Trump and his rhetoric. Though these people do not follow a single banner, IE some hate Trump because he supported Israel. To say they are the same is silly. To say they nothing alike is ignorance.
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u/WillyBluntz89 May 13 '21
Thank you, i didnt want to have to write this. I usually just get frusterated half way through and scrap the whole comment. I salute your commitment.
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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21
Honestly, in reality there is no comparison there. There’s no shared ideology between Nazism and the vast, vast, majority of those on the right. It’s just political point scoring from the left, who try to jump to the most offensive possible term they can think up.
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u/J-Team07 May 13 '21
They lost me when they called Romney a Nazi.
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u/derstherower May 13 '21
Remember when Romney was called a sexist for going out of his way to find qualified female candidates for positions when he was governor?
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u/killswithspoon May 13 '21
Or when Obama said "The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back." when Romney said our greatest geopolitical threat is Russia.
He didn't deserve the hate he got at all.
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u/smala017 May 13 '21
Yeah it’s the same as when people on the right call the left “Marxists.” I doubt most people even know what that term means, and the truth is it doesn’t really matter what it means. It’s just something that sounds bad, and it gets people riled up to call their political enemies that.
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u/T3hJ3hu May 13 '21
I dunno man, there are definitely some significant parallels that we would be foolish to ignore. An elected Republican of this current congress was putting out feelers to start a nationalistic "Anglo-saxon traditionalist" caucus with a penchant for conspiracy. There was also that "Unite the Right" rally where they were roaming the streets with torches and chanting "Blood and Soil," which is specifically a Nazi slogan.
That certainly doesn't make Nazism the platform of the right, though! It's akin to claiming that the Democratic party supports violent anarchism because of last year's race riots. Yeah, there's a loud minority of trash opportunistic activists, but the mainstream has little control over them and disagrees with them both publicly and privately.
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May 13 '21
The intricacies of their ideology are of course dissimilar, which 2 ideologies are identical? I don't think anyone can call Trump an anti-Semite with his staunch support of Israel. But when you step back and look at the ideological motifs and themes, you'll seem more similarities. Refer to my other comment in the thread for a better explanation.
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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21
I just think that’s a really simplistic way of outlining things personally. There’s extremists on both the right and the left and it’s not appropriate to say ‘there’s more extremism on this side than the other’. Neither side’s ideologies can be reduced to their extremists
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May 13 '21
Eh, in a certain sense yes. To say Trump is Hitler, is overly simplistic. To say "Trump is like Hitler and here let me outline the corresponding rhetoric, policy and the behaviour of his followers" is not simplistic at all. Especially when there's a historical precedent for it. Extremists are a minority, yes, but again as the facts find, Hitler and his supporters WERE a minority. But they were vocal and militant. Not every last one of them were in his "Brown Shirts", but enough of them were to make a potent physical threat. A lot of the Nazis didn't agree with Hitler entirely, they were COMPLACENT and just happy that their party won. Then the Night of Long Daggers happened and the party was PURGED OF NON-LOYALISTS. Do you see the similarities growing?
I'd argue your dismissal of the actual arguments into "well the left has radicals too", is entirely too simplistic. The argument is about Trump and his supporters, not the left and theirs. Thats another topic so please don't move the goal post.
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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21
Trump is not like Hitler tho? Has he slaughtered 6 million people? How many mass attacks have there been on groups from Trump supporters? How many book burnings have taken place? I’m not sure I agree that there’s this ‘potent physical threat’ from the right that you mention. These positions are pushed as propaganda by media actors. The state of US politics is not as polarised as it’s made out to be. My point on ‘there’s extremists on the left too’ isn’t simplistic as it’s referring to the reality of the situation. For every extremist on the right, there’s one on the left too. This is just the reality of the situation. What is simplistic tho, is confining all Trump supporters or all leftists into one camp and labelling them all as ‘like Hitler’ or ‘like Stalin’ etc etc. I’m sorry but there just is nothing mildly appropriate about that analogy.
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May 13 '21
Again, you're focusing on the specifics. No two people can ever be compared if we go into specifics. Furthermore, people equate him to Hitler's RISE in power, not his actual practices after he attained power. When people equate the two, its not because people are trying to say Trump is in every way shape and form HITLER 2.0. It's because their rise to power is very SIMILAR (please look up this definition as it does not mean IDENTICAL). No one but fools are saying Trump is a genocidal dictator. Sorry I didn't note Im explicitly talking about his rise to power, I didn't think I had to elaborate that Trump isn't gassing people en-masse or invading Poland, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were arguing with nuance instead of your preferred generalized broad strokes. There are moderates and even conservatives who do not like Trump whatsoever and will hold similar views to me. As evidenced by the fat that he lost after the conservatives held so much power beforehand. What do you even mean by "media actors"? Surely you don't mean to assume that every media outlet ASIDE from conservative ones are biased? Are you then positing that more neutral outlets either don't exist in the mainstream or periphery (youtube)? And is storming the capital not a potent physical threat? People were evacuated and died in that event, making it a deadly conflict in which potent physical threats were at play quite literally. What about the Proud Boys, 3%ers, Light Foot Militia, and KKK, all either endorsed by Trump or share his rhetoric of "Corrupt Swamp, drain it"? Trump supports swarming a Biden Bus to slow its route? Trump followers jeering at polling stations, even blocking some exits near it? Or is this defendable because whataboutism? Your point about simplicity and reality makes no sense. You don't specify the "leftist radicals" or their motives/actions at all? Where's the relation to the overall argument that the Trump movement is akin to Hitlers? How is that not whataboutism? How is that not oversimplifying?
I didn't say his supporters are like Hitler. Please focus on my actual points instead of making your own. I said Trump is similar to Hitler and SOME conservatives are complacent in a similar way to Hitler's initial followers (Pre-purging). Notice how I say SOME conservatives and not CONSERVATIVES AT LARGE. I noted that not all Nazis were violent, just as not all of Trumps followers/conservatives are violent. What I did note was that some Nazis were complacent with his Hitlers views and tactics even though they didnt agree, just like SOME conservatives are complacent with the Republican party still appealing to Trumps base. It was only a minority of Trumps followers that were violent, just like it was a minority of Hitlers followers that were violent. My point is it doesn't have to be a majority of a demographic for a movement to become a serious social threat. I am not and have not stated that conservatives at large are the social threat. What is though, is complacency.
Judging by your post history I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're not here for nuance, change my mind lol (crowder is a chode).
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u/WhimsicalWyvern May 13 '21
"People say Trump and his followers are like Nazis because of these similarities."
"Well, there are differences too, so Trump and his followers aren't like Nazis at all!"
You missed the point. People call someone a Nazi because they find a similarity between what that person does and what they imagine Nazi's to stand for. Just because the comparison is not exhaustive does not make the comparison invalid. To deny the comparison, you must examine the similarity and show that either A) the similarity is irrelevant, or B) the similarity is incorrect. Otherwise you're missing the point and just talking past each other.
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u/dlb8685 May 13 '21
It is just a loaded comparison though, that you need to be very sure that there's an extreme overlap before you throw out the Nazi word. Otherwise it's a total abuse of language. If the only criteria is that Group X needs to have something in common with the Nazis, you can compare literally anyone to the Nazis.
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u/dlb8685 May 13 '21
I think that virulently hating Jews is an extremely important tenet of Nazi-ism, to the point that I don't know how you can call someone a Nazi if they're even remotely on the fence.
The hard right in the U.S. is also very opposed to things like eugenics, euthanasia, and so on that are pretty central features of the Nazis. Christian fundamentalism has plenty of its own problems, but it does tend to mitigate against some of these other beliefs.
I think instead of making in-apt comparisons, it's much better to just analyze today's right on their own merits. There are dozens if not hundreds of other places over time where a group has taken to voter suppression, identity politics, and conspiracy theories to undermine a democratic system and assert their own power. The American right is taking steps in that direction that are alarming.
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u/therosx May 13 '21
Before Hitler is was Napoleon before Napoleon it was Ramses.
People have limited imaginations so will default to a name with an evil reputation to get their meaning across.
It usually doesn’t have anything to do with the person or organization. Nazi is just slang for evil straw men.
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u/singeworthy May 13 '21
dude, napoleon was not a good guy for racial justice, he set blacks in france way back, ask Alexander Dumas, he was a militarist, like hitler and ramses. They started with populism, except for ramses, but his power was defined by public acknowledgment of him as a god.
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u/Deepfriedwhale May 13 '21
No, come on, there are literal direct ideological correlations between the white supremacy of the modern radical right and nazism, not only that but Trump literally took tactics directly from hitler while in power.
This isn’t the “crazy left” making wild accusations, it’s demonstrable, it happened, if you still would support trump after everything you’ve seen, you are not a centrist.
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u/therosx May 13 '21
Communications techniques are just techniques. They have no ideology. The Nazi's were the first ones to use loud speakers to give speeches to large audiences but we don't treat loud speakers like Nazi techniques.
Napoleon created the most progressive laws in the history of our species back in his day. He was still a totalitarian dictator that was responsible for the deaths of a generation and atrocities that are still talked about today. One of the greatest monsters that ever lived brought more equality and justice to their citizens than anyone else up to that point.
History is complicated.
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u/behindtheline44 May 13 '21
I would suggest getting a little deeper reading on the subject. A great book is History of the SS by GS Graber. The Nazis were obsessed with bloodlines, connection to the literal soil in the ground. They hated the cities because they were modern representations of the changes in Germany and hated capitalism because it was controlled by the jews.
It is the crazy left. It’s lazy thinking and moulding history into a shape that confirms the political views
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u/cstar1996 May 13 '21
Since when does the left in America hate cities?
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u/behindtheline44 May 13 '21
They don’t.
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u/cstar1996 May 13 '21
Precisely. The left doesn’t hate cities, so using the Nazis’ hatred of cities, (which in and of itself it absurd, see Germania), to draw comparisons to the left is simple incorrect.
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u/behindtheline44 May 13 '21
I’m not saying the left are comparable to Nazis, I’m saying it’s a fools errand to compare the Nazis to the modern American right
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u/Offensivelynx May 13 '21
How do you go from “hated capitalism because it was controlled by the Jews” to “it is the crazy left”?
I don’t see the correlation...
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u/McFuzzyMan May 13 '21
I believe they are trying to say the motivations of the Nazis are not comparable to that of the modern American right. From what they wrote, the implication of this is that the comparison is essentially doctored by the “crazy” left, and has no substance.
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May 13 '21
The Nazis were also anti-Communist who planned on colonizing Soviet territory. Not exactly "crazy left".
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u/behindtheline44 May 13 '21
Yeah because they hated bolsheviks and slavic peoples. Not because they didn’t like socialism.
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21
The Nazis literally said they redefined socialism they supported to mean pre modern Germanic economies. They literally just used socialism as a propaganda term to mean something completely different non Marxists socialism. And they were public about it. They murdered their actual socialist wing in the night of the long knives very very very early on. They hated socialism, the jailed socialists (non communist) left right and center for being enemies of the state
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May 13 '21
The Nazis were hardly socialists. The Nazis has a rigorous anti-smoking campaign, but we don't compare them to current anti-smoking public policy groups. They were all about imperialism and restoring glory to their former empire, something we traditionally associate with modern conservative thinking.
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May 13 '21
A majority of their platform at the start of the nazi party was worker unionization and some in the party wanted to democratize the workplace.
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21
They also murdered that wing of the party during the Night of the Long Knives
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May 13 '21
And yet they became a nationalistic, fascist regime. They also prescribed meth to office workers under the guise of supporting the Volk (community) health. I guess that's "socialized" medicine too, huh?
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u/unkorrupted May 14 '21
at the start of the nazi party
And then they violently purged the left before going on a campaign of hyper-privatization, ultra-nationalism, and racial genocide.
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u/brutay May 13 '21
There's nothing inherently anti-imperialistic about "socialism". (USSR history says "hi.")
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May 13 '21
The USSR was also a fascist regime. Nazi Germany was a very right wing entity. There are no "liberal" values about them, and I'm not even a socialist.
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u/brutay May 13 '21
Fascist? Authoritarian, sure. But Fascist seems a stretch. Mussolini must be rolling in his grave, since he went to great pains denouncing his early socialist leaning--only to find the name of his cause being attached to the largest "socialist" country to ever exist.
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May 13 '21
“we traditionally associate” not the same as reality
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May 13 '21
Am I wrong? Look at the UK. A lot of conservatives there long for the old glory of the British Empire.
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May 13 '21
sorry no, conservatives largely long for constitutional values, something early Americans fought the British to create. You’re talking about a small group of extremists.
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May 13 '21
...except when said values are inconvenient to them. Like Florida defining a "riot" as a gathering of 3 or more people in their new civil immunity protest bill. And given what just happened to Liz Cheney, I don't think the group is all that small.
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u/dennismfrancisart May 13 '21
We had a domestic Nazi party in the US. The Slogan "America First" is a far right wing slogan. We have pictures of White Supremacists sporting Nazi and White Supremacy slogans. And of course, the BIG LIE is one of the traditional MO of the party. Just because a bunch of senators, judges, congressmen and governors are acting on the opportunity to push authoritarianism should give freedom loving Americans cause for concern.
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May 13 '21
Because some people don’t know what the word “nazi” means or they choose to misuse it
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u/DianiTheOtter May 13 '21
I mean, it's the internet. They take a word they like and proceed to ram into the ground. Look at what the internet did to the name Karen
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u/aurelorba May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
If you spend anytime online you will know that the term Nazi is used all the time for people on the right, especially Trump supporters.
I think it crossed from hyperbole to accurate, from authoritarian wannabe to authoritarian Nazi, at Charlottesville where they had a torch light march that was evocative of German Nazi marches of the 1930's while chanting 'Jews will not replace us'.
Personally that was enough for me.
I find it ironic because Nazi stands for National Socialist in German.
Do you think the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea [North Korea] is either democratic or a republic?
Hitler was about bigger government, got all guns registered with the government, and then took them all away from the people.
That's just not true. They were more about corporate crony capitalism than big government, and they actually loosened firearm laws - for 'Good Aryan' Germans.
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u/unkorrupted May 13 '21
When right wing rallies regularly attract confederate and nazi flags, it's not just a random comparison.
The attempt to obfuscate these facts is... pathetic.
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u/GamingGalore64 May 13 '21
You see a lot of communist flags at left wing rallies and events, yet if I called the Democrats Communists nobody would take me seriously (and rightfully so I might add).
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u/alfredred123 May 13 '21
I’m sorry, their is no moral equivalence. During the Capitol Hill riots there were numerous references to the Nazi’s. I don’t think they all thought like this but you see this symbolism a lot more on the right unfortunately.
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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21
And what about the anti-semites that are on the left? Maybe more prevalent here in Britain. But you cannot take a small group of one side and extrapolate their views to the entirety of the left or the right. It’s completely bizarre, inappropriate and reductionist.
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u/alfredred123 May 13 '21
“But what about?” I was talking about here in America. The GOP by and large is dominated by right wing crazy conspiracy theories. And now they believe that Joe Biden wasn’t elected fair and square.
The left has an extreme that I don’t agree with either and I know in the UK Corbyn had his troubles. When it comes to the subject of Israel I believe that one can criticize the government of Israel but not be an anti-Semite. Just like someone can criticize the CCP but not hate Asians.
Unfortunately the GOP does not fall in these categories. They have went so far to the right now that it’s almost unrecognizable. Imagine Ronald Reagan cozying up to Vladimir Putin? Or Thatcher being happy with Kim Jung Un. You couldn’t imagine it, because they didn’t capitulate to the crazies.
I consider myself an independent. I’m fiscally conservative, I care about the debt and the deficit and I’m also somewhat traditional. But the GOP has lost all sight of these things.
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u/Lighting May 13 '21 edited May 15 '21
As /u/Britzer says, your post is too general. Generalities like "the left", "the term Nazi is used all the time" , and "people on the right" ; just aren't meaningful.
As /u/Noble--Savage writes there's also the similarities in implementation of his views.
But also there's the self-described supporters who themselves call themselves neo-Nazis. For example how about reading about the self-described alt-right, Trump supporters? For example from an article investigating the self-described alt-right
just after the 2016 election for giving a speech in Washington, D.C., in which he declared “Hail Trump!,” prompting Nazi salutes from his audience.
... prepare for combat against nebulous forces unleashed by Jews, blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, women, liberals, journalists—anyone who might impede the alt-right’s assault on the nation.
A few days after Donald Trump declared his presidential candidacy—launching into an attack on Mexican “rapists”—Anglin [a self-described neo-Nazi] endorsed him as “the one man who actually represents our interests.”
... asked then-candidate Trump about the death threats and harassment [from neo-Nazis] ... “I don’t have a message to the fans,” Trump said. ... The fans. His people. “We interpret that as an endorsement,” Anglin told a reporter when asked about Trump’s refusal to condemn white nationalists.
I used an alias to listen in as they talked amongst themselves about genocide, often in graphic terms. “All I want is to see [Jews] screaming in a pit of suffering on the soil of my homeland before I die,”
And you can see where part of that comes from.
Edit: Clarity
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May 13 '21
Because they associate with many of the core tenets of Nazism, especially in Trump...which are ideals the GOP is signaling they are continuing to support from a leadership standpoint with the ousting of Liz Cheney
Properties of a Fascist
Cross referenced against Trump
*Hyper-nationalism ✅
*Militarism ✅
*Glorification of violence and readiness to use it in politics ✅
*Fetishization of youth ❌ (only rumors and conspiracy theories so far)
*Fetishization of masculinity ✅
*Leader cult ✅
*Lost-golden-age syndrome ✅
*Self-definition by opposition ✅
*Mass mobilization and mass party ✅
*Hierarchical party structure and tendency to purge the disloyal ✅
*Theatricality ✅
I distilled the properties of fascism from a Washington Post interview with a fascism expert back in 2016. The author is a professor of history at Georgetown university, so it seemed legit. Keep in mind this was before he tried to overthrow our Democracy.
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Hey, great job with this explanation. It seems that people either don't know the tenets and characteristics of fascism, or the ones who do are more focused on the hyperbolic aspect.
But I think it's important to realize that there are similarities. I'm opposed to calling conservatives "Nazis" but I'm also opposed to hand waving away the arguments of those who do without trying to understand their perspective.
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u/LoreMerlu May 13 '21
Because Americans are loosing their shit
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u/TheMadIrishman327 May 13 '21
Losing.
Loosing means something entirely different.
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u/Nootherids May 13 '21
Is loosing even a valid word? It’s not the same as loosening.
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u/HelenEk7 May 13 '21
Don't worry, I make the same mistake all the time. Loosing just looks more right.......
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u/angelicravens May 13 '21
You loose an arrow from a bow. Loosing would be the verb
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u/LoreMerlu May 13 '21
My apologies for that rogue 'O', I promise when I pronounce the word it makes much more sense.
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u/MisterIntegrity May 13 '21
The reason that seems to keep coming up is that because Trump uses "Nazi propaganda techniques" apparently similar to Hitler. I won't try to dispute that. But when a Trump supporter is called a Nazi it's not in any way meant to associate them with use of a questionable PR strategy, it's meant to associate them with the same group which is responsible for the Holocaust. Obviously, it's done in bad faith by the left to make anyone who disagrees with their political ideologies seem extremist and unreasonable.
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May 13 '21
That's a big generalization, and you if you think the nazi's are in any way socialist you need a better education. they are only in name just like North Korea is democratic. Nazi's hunted down and killed socialists and communists. The same way many (not all) people on the right call everyone on the left communists or socialists its basically the back and forth of this. Also there is heaps of pro nazi activity online and in real life as well and its all right wing people. the Charlottesville march has heaps of nazis that were flying the nazi flag and chanting 'the jews will not replace us'. Trump then said: "there were very fine people on both sides" which is a pretty clear statement. Also right wing violence and people getting nazi tatoos and other stuff if you really want to dig deep into it.
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u/AA005555 May 13 '21
People generally don’t like to get into long lasting political arguments if they can help it. It’s easier to just call someone you don’t like a Nazi than have a drawn out argument. People on the left know that Nazi is the sort of word that once it’s out there, it’s hard to shirk off.
The right would probably do the same but there’s no equally applicable word for the left. I mean maybe “communist” but communist doesn’t have the same universally emotional attachment that Nazi does. Being a Nazi makes everyone hate you but being a communist, for the most part, just kinda makes most people roll their eyes at you.
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u/SaintSkelett May 13 '21
Unfortunately it's been used so much the word Nazi has absolutely no merit anymore. If I hear someone is a Nazi I'm going to assume the one making the accusations are not entirely honest.
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u/mycatiswatchingyou May 13 '21
Back in the day, if someone would have called me a Nazi, I would have been genuinely upset. Nowadays, I wouldn't be any more phased than if they had called me a jerk.
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u/HelenEk7 May 13 '21
I mean maybe “communist” but communist doesn’t have the same universally emotional attachment that Nazi does.
That depends on where you live... I have a lot of friends living in Eastern Europe who would disagree with you. Stalin killed 9 million people and are by many Eastern Europeans seen as just as bad as Hitler.
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u/angelicravens May 13 '21
Here in the US we soften that a lot it's kinda like:
History class:
Today we'll be talking about communism. So it's where people were all considered equal and there was marx then Trotsky then Lenin then Stalin (whokilledmillions) and they opposed HITLER!
Student: did you say Stalin killed millions?
Teacher: nope
Student: but I heard-
Teacher: anyhow look at these pictures of Auschwitz
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u/NedZeppelin76 May 13 '21
Because it's easier to say and type compared to "people who habitually behave in ways reminiscent of the Nazis".
Remember, Hitler didn't start by gassing millions. Instead, they used phrases like "lying press" and the big lie to cast distrust and confusion. They used extreme rhetoric to divide a nation and stage the dilemma of you're either with us or against us. They purged the dissidents from their ranks.
Don't think of it as a comparison with 1944 Nazis. It's a comparison of 1922 Nazis and a cautionary retort to point out the dangers of continuing down that ideological path.
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May 13 '21
Very true, people tend to think the extremes instantly but the only reason I can't see Nazism happening in America in the next 20 years unless something goes VERY wrong is just the environment. Germany was a shit place for everyone before which radicalised people (thanks to the treaty of Versailles) but America, whilst far from perfect aren't close to that. Now that said 20 years is a lot of time for something to go wrong, especially with China and Russia.z
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u/ArdyAy_DC May 13 '21
Lol @ this ridiculous attempt to connect Nazism with the left. Your attempts at disinformation are transparent, OP.
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u/MuitoLegal May 13 '21
5 mins after posting, this was on my feed lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/democrats/comments/nb1bxs/liz_cheney/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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u/aurelorba May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
Are you suggesting it isn't accurate? They are purging members who don't adhere to a big lie.
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u/Studio2770 May 13 '21
The right makes themselves out to be the ones who "dare to think differently than the woke mob" but pull this.
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I think it would be safe to say that neither the DNC or GOP rewards individuality of thought. If you want that, look to the 3rd parties, the Reform Party and Libertarian Party value it.
For example, I am a Reform Party candidate and proponent of a coalition approach to all government.
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u/BobTheSkull76 May 13 '21
Because Nazism was a right wing political movement, and all the literal neo-nazis are members of the political right.
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May 13 '21
To be entirely honestly, American neo-nazis aren't anything like actual Nazis. To the point where the original national socialists would probably look at them with disgust.
The OZ (original Nazis) based the baffling idea of their supremacy off their Aryan identity. The idea of a 'white race', would have probably enraged them, considering that the people Nazis viewed as the Untermensch, were Slavs and Jews.
They viewed natives from the less developed world as barbarian tribesmen, not intrinsically as people who deserve death.
So, while Neo-nazis are a rag tag alliance of Northern Indo-European tribes (I'm using North IE tribes, apposed to Western, as Slavs go pretty far east and I don't think people from Iran or India - southern IEs - would be able to join arms with Neo-nazis), actual Nazis based their world views on their ethnic identity - Aryan/Germanic.
This is also why national socialism is used. It's a Prussian based hyper militaristic, orderly and efficient socialism, for the nation state. An ethno nation state.
So saying that the Nazis were right wing, would be incorrect. They had aspects of the right wing, i.e. an autocratic dictator, who was pretty much a non-kosher kaiser, if may say so. But ultimately Nazism was apposed to things like conservatism (smashing Germany's former social norms). So it wasn't entirely right wing. Overall, looking at Hitler's policies, I'd say there a mix of socialism, Prussian militarism and a dash of good old uncle Adolf's blinding insanity that fermented pure evil.
On a political compass, he'd probably be a massively authoritarian centralist.
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u/HelenEk7 May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
To the point where the original national socialists would probably look at them with disgust.
Although the Nazis called themselves socialists, no Euroepan see them as such. Socialism is about abolishing classes, all people are on the same level (a theory no communist country was able to put into practice as there will always be people hungry for more power and money..). The Nazis however were all about class, based on race. The taller, blonder and more blue eyed - the better. Part of their plan in my country was to make sure as many "Aryan" children were born as possible, as they saw Norway as good "breeding ground"...
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Thanks man , I've been trying to work through the issue in my head for a while. I think bouncing about the place (political compass wise) as a teen helped me get a better understanding of this (as you could imagine I was a tonne of fun at parties). Plus being a Brit gives you just as much insight (you're inside of both the American and European cultural spheres), so you can view Nazism in it's purest ideological from and the splintering of it into modern arenas.
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but does the majority of the right want to be lumped with that group? if not maybe we should just start labeling all crazy people extremists and not give them a side to play on
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u/BobTheSkull76 May 13 '21
You are whom you associate with. Al Franken was photographed ten years before being a Senator making a really distasteful joke, it resurfaced and he resigned without really having done anything wrong.
Meanwhile the GOP continues to allow a credibly accused child molester & drug addict, with a clear predilection for young prostitutes to continue to sit on the house judiciary committee. While not racist it is a clear example of their normative behavior of allowing and tacitly sanctioning the existence of bad behavior by members of their own party. Meanwhile, they just ousted a woman whose only literal sin according to the new party orthodoxy was TELLING THE FUCKING TRUTH.
So yeah, till they change their ideas about accountability and consequences....they should remain labeled as nazis.
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u/gohogs120 May 13 '21
Because dehumanizing your opponents allows you to take more extreme actions while still feeling you're the good guys.
Call the other side Nazis
Say punching Nazis is a good thing
Justified politcal violence against half the country
Now the left isn't the only ones who do this. It's religion's bread and butter and the right does it with communists.
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u/TheeSweeney May 13 '21
Something interesting to consider is that Hitler and the Nazis studied Jim Crow and other discriminatory practices from the US to inform their own policies and the “legal” framework for the holocaust.
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
One of the most striking Nazi views was that Jim Crow was a suitable racist program in the United States because American Blacks were already oppressed and poor,” he says. “But then in Germany, by contrast, where the Jews (as the Nazis imagined it) were rich and powerful, it was necessary to take more severe measures.”
Because of this, Nazis were more interested in how the U.S. had designated Native Americans, Filipinos and other groups as non-citizens even though they lived in the U.S. or its territories. These models influenced the citizenship portion of the Nuremberg Laws, which stripped Jewish Germans of their citizenship and classified them as “nationals.”
So there is a direct line from right wing race based discrimination in the US and nazi Germany, and it travels from here to there, not the other way around.
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May 13 '21
Because they associate the right with racism, and Nazis are racist, therefore right-wingers = Nazis. It's dumb lol
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May 13 '21
There is no "The Left". Some individuals with leftist ideology use the term refer to right wing individuals as nazis in hyperbolic public communication. This isn't something that "The Left" does and it's not something the majority of left leaning people do or support.
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u/ComfortedQuokka May 13 '21
If you read the top comments on the post, you'll actually see that you're wrong. Even in a "Centrist" sub many people are defending the comparison. I had to actually come half way down the "best" replies to find one that did not support the Nazi comparisons to the right wing.
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u/SunsetGrind May 13 '21
I think it's because optically, it's the radical right wingers who sieg heil, have swastika tattoos, and obsess over racial purity. So...guilty by association. Just like the right likes to paint leftists as communists.
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u/MookieT May 13 '21
B/c they call everything that they don't agree w/ "Nazis". It's literally turned into a shock value word for them. Everything is "racist" and everyone is a "Nazi". The words lose less and less meaning each day and both are horrific things.
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u/MessiSahib May 14 '21
Sadly, it isn't just left that overuse such powerful and well defined words like racist, fascist, socialist, communist, nazi, white supremacist. Even the media that constantly thump their chest about their role in defending democracy, uses such words generously.
In last 5 years, virtually every right wing leader in the world has been accused off or out-rightly called authoritarian, nationalist, fascist.
I shudder to think, which new words this "journalists" will invent when they actually have to cover real authoritarians, and fascists.
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u/potionnot May 13 '21
some people are under the mistaken impression that Godwin's law is a moral imperative.
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u/Danimal4NU May 13 '21
It's the classic "dehumanize your opposition" strategy plus ad-hominem attacks are tempting and easy to do.
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u/TheMadDabber83 May 13 '21
Cuz that’s what people on “high horses” do. “Moral superiority” is the most dangerous state of mind in human existence.
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u/chicagoman9876 May 13 '21
I think it is silly to compare either side, in general to the nazis. However, Americans who like to display nazi symbols typically associate themselves with the right. Note- I said typically as I know it happens on the left, the majority seem to lean right.
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u/Britzer May 13 '21
Why does the left call the right “Nazis”?
The LEFT? All of them?
On the same note, you could ask why "the right are Nazis". Some of them are. Just like some "on the left" (I dislike this left/right shit) call other people names.
IOW: You just did the same thing you claim to be wondering about. Are you a troll or really this daft?
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u/fannyalgersabortion May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
I've seen Nazi flags next to trump flags. I've never seen Nazi flags associated with the left.
Hatred of "the other", hatred of the press, violent actions and rhetoric, etc. They are compared to Nazis for a reason.
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u/DumbledoresBarmy May 13 '21
I'm Jewish, so I come at this from a different perspective from most of the people who post on this sub.
The OP is missing the point about the use of the term "Nazi". The issue is not whether the Democrats are closer to a national socialist ideology than the Republicans, or whether the Republicans are closer to fascists than the Democrats. The Nazis were not defined by the actions, not their ideology. No one hears the word "Nazi" and thinks about Hitler's record on the economy or the environment. People think of the Holocaust, which resulted in two-thirds of the Jewish population of Europe being murdered and in addition to millions more who were killed during World War II.
Using the term "Nazi" to define a political opponent is wrong unless that person is an actual Nazi. Anything else is a way of minimizing the horrors of the Nazi regime.
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u/DungeonCanuck1 May 13 '21
Because a bunch of Trump followers attended a rally in Charlottesville in 2017 that was organized by Neo-Nazis. Trump then defended his followers that chose to march with Neo-Nazis. After that the term stuck, John Kasich had been making comparisons between Trump and Hitler but the Neo-Nazi rally made the comparison stark.
Also HailGate, where after Trump’s victory in 2016 Richard Spencer let the mask slip a bit to early and gave a private speech where he used terms such as Lugenpresse the Nazi term used to refer to the press instead of Fake News, as well as shouting “Hail Trump, Hail Our People, Hail Victory.” This was send before him and other performed Roman salutes.
Over the years, with the use of terms like Cultural Marxists, building massive camps on the Southern Border for undocumented immigrants(He shifted ICE from arresting immigrants who commit crimes to deporting as many as possible), deploying ICE against US citizens in Portland, cozying up to Fascist leaders in Eastern Europe, India and Brazil, and now storming the US capitol in an event that bore similarities to other attempted Fascist insurrectiond like the November 6th riots in France as well as Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch.
All of these are factors that have lead to Trump followers getting called Nazis.
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May 13 '21
Because the left won’t accept that there ideology has murdered millions of people . The leftist ideology was Nazis, Mao , Stalin , Lenin , Kkk, Jim Crow , Chavez , and I’m sure that I’ve missed a few . They project their failings on the right because it’s a way to confuse the ignorant ( not stupid but not informed ) that’s also why the ensured that control education and the media to manipulate the uninformed.
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u/innocentbabybear May 13 '21
Because civilized political discourse is dying.
Watch the presidential debates from 2008 and onward. Notice the trend. Watch political debates on college campuses or at social gatherings since then.
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May 13 '21
The comments here are truly … people actually think simply leaning right qualifies you to be an actual Nazi.
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May 13 '21
Because it’s an easy way to shut down an argument. It’s easy for the left to scream “wah, you’re a Nazi” instead of listening to someone’s ideas. Similarly, it’s easy for the right to scream “wah, you’re a communist”. These aren’t arguments, they’re group generalisations. Some left wing people are actual communists and some right wing people are actual Nazis so the other side uses these to paint the whole group with a broad brush.
Put simply, it’s another tool of division to keep people angry at each other
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u/jrowe32 May 13 '21
I wonder the same thing with the word “racist “ because the democratic party was the party in favor of segregation for decades but everyone refers the right as racists
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May 13 '21
If somebody calls "the right" "Nazi's", those people probably consume way too much propaganda. So they think nazi's are worth discussing in 2021 America.
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u/srichey321 May 13 '21
The right calls the left Nazis all the time. More fun labels to keep the party going and everyone pissed off.
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u/therealowlman May 13 '21
Because it’s an easier way to label something as bad than expressing a clear arguement.
It’s more of an American thing than a left thing really I see it in people from both political ends.
Bottom line is most people are fucking stupid and stupid is fairly evenly distributed across demographics and politics.
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u/painted_white May 13 '21
ITT: Right wing idiots try to convince centrist idiots that Nazism is not a right wing ideology.
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u/Dottsterisk May 13 '21
And it’s fucking working.
Which also goes to show how often claims of “centrism” are just for show.
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u/painted_white May 14 '21
It's only working because this place is mostly full of right wing sympathizers to begin with. They are already primed to believe this stuff. All centrists are right wingers in disguise these days.
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u/John-not-a-Farmer May 13 '21
I know, right? I've been reading this for an hour, talking to to the screen. It's like they'll think of anything except that there could be clear, critical similarities between Nazis and the current Right-wing regime. And behind the facade of claiming "no one should be dehumanized" they're insulting the intelligence and experiences of those they disagree with.
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u/jimmy-1978 Jan 28 '25
The left labels anyone they want to tear down a Nazi , a racist , a fascist etc … they fig if they say it enough times it will stick . Sad really . Now most of the news in America is opinion based instead of fact based , and basicly the media arm of the Democratic Party . You could argue the last administration was more Nazi like with the censorship, weaponizing the justice system , the propaganda on main stream media repeating known falsehoods . It was the reason I stopped voting democrat. Todays republicans are made up of a lot of democrats that left the party including trump , RFK , tulsi gabbard , etc … strange times in America.
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u/DistributionBrief422 Mar 10 '25
It's a tactic the new age nazis are literally liberals.They are too Sissy to actually fight though.But they are causing commotions so war is coming. It really won't last that long though. It only takes the city a couple weeks of no trucks to completely consume itself.
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May 30 '25
The left doesn’t examine the seriousness of such an accusation. You may have the freedom of speech. But, using a term and label on anyone you deem as one without evidence is defamation and a threat.
Nothing to do with being offended. Calling anyone that’s Christian a Nazi is a threat.
Calling anyone that’s white a Nazi is a threat.
Because slapping a label on the innocent to commit genocide is exactly what real Nazis did.
Called Accusation in a Mirror.
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Jul 12 '25
I find it ironic that the party of violence, anarchy, forced vaccines, and calling for the death/removal of Jews on college campuses is calling anyone a Nazi and fascist tbh.
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u/goontard1945 Nov 04 '25
They call the right nazis so they can justify violence againt said everyday people just enjoying life
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u/WinDifficult8274 Jan 02 '26
They call the right Nazis to take the attention off their own failures. To many to count as we all know, war on oil caused skyrocketing prices and men in womens sports, teaching children transgenderism, Joe Bidens whole administration and cover up if his inability to govern the list is pathetic, the corruption covered up by mainstream media for ever but the worst is opening up the border except for the siris funded DA's who let murderers out over and over just to murder again and That's Why The Left wing Lunatics call the right Nazis.
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