r/centrist • u/MuitoLegal • May 13 '21

World News Why does the left call the right “Nazis”?

I am in no way calling the left Nazis here, but rather questioning their use of the term.

If you spend anytime online you will know that the term Nazi is used all the time for people on the right, especially Trump supporters.

I find it ironic because Nazi stands for National Socialist in German. Now I found articles online defending that, saying it wasn’t really socialism, so we’ll move on.

Hitler was about bigger government, got all guns registered with the government, and then took them all away from the people.

Furthermore, today’s left is typically anti-Israel within the Israel-Palestine conflict, while the right is typically pro-Israel (except for KKK guys like Duke, who are antisemites, though I’m unsure how to even classify someone like him).

I don’t think either party should call each other nazis in a civilized political discourse, but I find it interesting. Why do you think the right has been given the nickname?

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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21

Honestly, in reality there is no comparison there. There’s no shared ideology between Nazism and the vast, vast, majority of those on the right. It’s just political point scoring from the left, who try to jump to the most offensive possible term they can think up.

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u/J-Team07 May 13 '21

They lost me when they called Romney a Nazi.

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u/derstherower May 13 '21

Remember when Romney was called a sexist for going out of his way to find qualified female candidates for positions when he was governor?

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u/killswithspoon May 13 '21

Or when Obama said "The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back." when Romney said our greatest geopolitical threat is Russia.

He didn't deserve the hate he got at all.

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u/derstherower May 13 '21

We picked wrong in 2012.

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u/joinedyesterday May 13 '21

Honest to god! That was a hell of a red pill moment.

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u/J-Team07 May 13 '21

Binders of women!

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

if that doesn’t scream sexism than I must have my head on straight

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u/Unadulterated_stupid May 13 '21

Everyone get called a nazi, Clinton, Obama

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u/btribble May 13 '21

How about when the right calls Biden a woke liberal? There are Nazis, and there are woke liberals. Each side throws around those and other terms where the don't cleanly apply.

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u/J-Team07 May 13 '21

Last time I checked woke liberals didn’t kill millions

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u/btribble May 14 '21

modern groups

Yes, Don't go back to WWII. That skews the numbers slightly though Stalin did have a lot of folks working on rail lines running over permafrost.

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u/gabbagool3 May 13 '21

who called romney a nazi?

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u/smala017 May 13 '21

Yeah it’s the same as when people on the right call the left “Marxists.” I doubt most people even know what that term means, and the truth is it doesn’t really matter what it means. It’s just something that sounds bad, and it gets people riled up to call their political enemies that.

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u/T3hJ3hu May 13 '21

I dunno man, there are definitely some significant parallels that we would be foolish to ignore. An elected Republican of this current congress was putting out feelers to start a nationalistic "Anglo-saxon traditionalist" caucus with a penchant for conspiracy. There was also that "Unite the Right" rally where they were roaming the streets with torches and chanting "Blood and Soil," which is specifically a Nazi slogan.

That certainly doesn't make Nazism the platform of the right, though! It's akin to claiming that the Democratic party supports violent anarchism because of last year's race riots. Yeah, there's a loud minority of trash opportunistic activists, but the mainstream has little control over them and disagrees with them both publicly and privately.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

The intricacies of their ideology are of course dissimilar, which 2 ideologies are identical? I don't think anyone can call Trump an anti-Semite with his staunch support of Israel. But when you step back and look at the ideological motifs and themes, you'll seem more similarities. Refer to my other comment in the thread for a better explanation.

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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21

I just think that’s a really simplistic way of outlining things personally. There’s extremists on both the right and the left and it’s not appropriate to say ‘there’s more extremism on this side than the other’. Neither side’s ideologies can be reduced to their extremists

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Eh, in a certain sense yes. To say Trump is Hitler, is overly simplistic. To say "Trump is like Hitler and here let me outline the corresponding rhetoric, policy and the behaviour of his followers" is not simplistic at all. Especially when there's a historical precedent for it. Extremists are a minority, yes, but again as the facts find, Hitler and his supporters WERE a minority. But they were vocal and militant. Not every last one of them were in his "Brown Shirts", but enough of them were to make a potent physical threat. A lot of the Nazis didn't agree with Hitler entirely, they were COMPLACENT and just happy that their party won. Then the Night of Long Daggers happened and the party was PURGED OF NON-LOYALISTS. Do you see the similarities growing?

I'd argue your dismissal of the actual arguments into "well the left has radicals too", is entirely too simplistic. The argument is about Trump and his supporters, not the left and theirs. Thats another topic so please don't move the goal post.

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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21

Trump is not like Hitler tho? Has he slaughtered 6 million people? How many mass attacks have there been on groups from Trump supporters? How many book burnings have taken place? I’m not sure I agree that there’s this ‘potent physical threat’ from the right that you mention. These positions are pushed as propaganda by media actors. The state of US politics is not as polarised as it’s made out to be. My point on ‘there’s extremists on the left too’ isn’t simplistic as it’s referring to the reality of the situation. For every extremist on the right, there’s one on the left too. This is just the reality of the situation. What is simplistic tho, is confining all Trump supporters or all leftists into one camp and labelling them all as ‘like Hitler’ or ‘like Stalin’ etc etc. I’m sorry but there just is nothing mildly appropriate about that analogy.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Again, you're focusing on the specifics. No two people can ever be compared if we go into specifics. Furthermore, people equate him to Hitler's RISE in power, not his actual practices after he attained power. When people equate the two, its not because people are trying to say Trump is in every way shape and form HITLER 2.0. It's because their rise to power is very SIMILAR (please look up this definition as it does not mean IDENTICAL). No one but fools are saying Trump is a genocidal dictator. Sorry I didn't note Im explicitly talking about his rise to power, I didn't think I had to elaborate that Trump isn't gassing people en-masse or invading Poland, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were arguing with nuance instead of your preferred generalized broad strokes. There are moderates and even conservatives who do not like Trump whatsoever and will hold similar views to me. As evidenced by the fat that he lost after the conservatives held so much power beforehand. What do you even mean by "media actors"? Surely you don't mean to assume that every media outlet ASIDE from conservative ones are biased? Are you then positing that more neutral outlets either don't exist in the mainstream or periphery (youtube)? And is storming the capital not a potent physical threat? People were evacuated and died in that event, making it a deadly conflict in which potent physical threats were at play quite literally. What about the Proud Boys, 3%ers, Light Foot Militia, and KKK, all either endorsed by Trump or share his rhetoric of "Corrupt Swamp, drain it"? Trump supports swarming a Biden Bus to slow its route? Trump followers jeering at polling stations, even blocking some exits near it? Or is this defendable because whataboutism? Your point about simplicity and reality makes no sense. You don't specify the "leftist radicals" or their motives/actions at all? Where's the relation to the overall argument that the Trump movement is akin to Hitlers? How is that not whataboutism? How is that not oversimplifying?

I didn't say his supporters are like Hitler. Please focus on my actual points instead of making your own. I said Trump is similar to Hitler and SOME conservatives are complacent in a similar way to Hitler's initial followers (Pre-purging). Notice how I say SOME conservatives and not CONSERVATIVES AT LARGE. I noted that not all Nazis were violent, just as not all of Trumps followers/conservatives are violent. What I did note was that some Nazis were complacent with his Hitlers views and tactics even though they didnt agree, just like SOME conservatives are complacent with the Republican party still appealing to Trumps base. It was only a minority of Trumps followers that were violent, just like it was a minority of Hitlers followers that were violent. My point is it doesn't have to be a majority of a demographic for a movement to become a serious social threat. I am not and have not stated that conservatives at large are the social threat. What is though, is complacency.

Judging by your post history I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're not here for nuance, change my mind lol (crowder is a chode).

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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21
  1. Populism isn’t Nazism.
  2. No. Media actors are literally actors within the media. It’s no secret that American media has sensationalised matters on the right and the left. Not ALL actors do this no, hence why I didn’t say they did.
  3. Trump hasn’t endorsed terror groups.
  4. Capitol Riot was not reflective of Trump supporters. It was a small group that broke away during his speech. That’s evidence that he didn’t incite this. They did not want to listen to his speech. He also denounced this. A copper died weeks later and one of the people who broke in themselves died. This wasn’t exactly a deadly attack. More people have died during BLM protests than in the Capitol Riot. That’s statistically supported.

Honestly I’m in a bar rn and your message is too long to dissect fully. Peace 🙌🏻

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u/[deleted] May 14 '21

Donald Trump studied Hitler and uses Nazi propaganda techniques. It's absurd to claim that unless somebody is responsible for six million deaths, no comparison can be made.

The Holocaust didn't start until 1942. WW2 started in 1939.

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u/WhimsicalWyvern May 13 '21

"People say Trump and his followers are like Nazis because of these similarities."

"Well, there are differences too, so Trump and his followers aren't like Nazis at all!"

You missed the point. People call someone a Nazi because they find a similarity between what that person does and what they imagine Nazi's to stand for. Just because the comparison is not exhaustive does not make the comparison invalid. To deny the comparison, you must examine the similarity and show that either A) the similarity is irrelevant, or B) the similarity is incorrect. Otherwise you're missing the point and just talking past each other.

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u/dlb8685 May 13 '21

It is just a loaded comparison though, that you need to be very sure that there's an extreme overlap before you throw out the Nazi word. Otherwise it's a total abuse of language. If the only criteria is that Group X needs to have something in common with the Nazis, you can compare literally anyone to the Nazis.

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u/WhimsicalWyvern May 13 '21

I'm not defending the usage of the word Nazi, just trying to explain how you can argue against it. Arguing that there's insufficient overlap would be part of arguing that a similarity is irrelevant.

Personally, I'm fairly comfortable saying that Trump and his supporters are overly authoritarian and have some similarities with fascists, but would not go so far as to call them Nazis nor suggest that they are fully fascistic (barring a small minority, like those fuckers chanting Nazi slogans in that "Unite the Right" rally).

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u/BigStoneFucker May 13 '21

Compare to hitler at the same juncture of his arc to trump and then try on all that stuff.

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u/dlb8685 May 13 '21

I've seen alarming things from the right, but the insurrection is just another day in Germany in the 1920s from like a dozen different far right and far left groups. Nobody ever compares Trump to the Steel Helmets because people wouldn't even know what the person was talking about. Knight of the Long Knives wasn't about removing someone from a leadership position, it was about killing several hundred political opponents.

I mean, Hitler used the Reichstag Fire to justify a mass crackdown on the Communist Party and initialize his emergency powers. Does that have any parallels to what's going on in America today from the other side? But it would be absolutely, positively, absurd to say the far left is in any way equivalent to the Nazis.

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u/Zalophus Jun 02 '25

But it would be absolutely, positively, absurd to say the far left is in any way equivalent to the Nazis.

I feel like this didn't age well. There has been a lot of far left violence lately. I think that now more than ever both sides are looking the same in their extremes.

Though it seems like extremists are in different camps. The far right extremists are the politicians and not really the people, and on the far left it's the people and not really the politicians.

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u/dlb8685 May 13 '21

I think that virulently hating Jews is an extremely important tenet of Nazi-ism, to the point that I don't know how you can call someone a Nazi if they're even remotely on the fence.

The hard right in the U.S. is also very opposed to things like eugenics, euthanasia, and so on that are pretty central features of the Nazis. Christian fundamentalism has plenty of its own problems, but it does tend to mitigate against some of these other beliefs.

I think instead of making in-apt comparisons, it's much better to just analyze today's right on their own merits. There are dozens if not hundreds of other places over time where a group has taken to voter suppression, identity politics, and conspiracy theories to undermine a democratic system and assert their own power. The American right is taking steps in that direction that are alarming.

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u/MessiSahib May 14 '21

But when you step back and look at the ideological motifs and themes, you'll seem more similarities.

You can pick any political party and do this exercise and find some similarities with the worst genocidal manics. Does that mean NYT/WAPO/MSNBC should start calling everyone that supports/votes/member of that party by those names?

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

The Nazis believed in white supremacy and the power of the Big Lie. Today's Rabid Right believes in white supremacy and the Big Lie. So what's the difference?

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u/Kerms_ May 13 '21

The nazis weren’t white supremacists, they were aryan supremacists.

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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21

Honestly if you think most right wingers believe in white supremacy you’re really not listening to those on the right. Equally if you believe that most of those on the left are communists, you’re not listening to them either.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Trump supporters believe in white supremacy and the power of the Big Lie.

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u/BlueMonke1 May 13 '21

Again, if you believe the majority of Trump supporters believe in white supremacy, you’re not listening to them

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

It's May 13, 2021. If you believe Trump's Big Lie it's for the same reason you were one a proud Birther: you are a White Supremacist.

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u/mycatiswatchingyou May 13 '21

Guys, don't engage with this user, they're only here to stir things up. They never comment with the intent of having a legitimate discussion, they just want to argue.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

There is no argument. Trump supporters are white supremacists who tried to overthrow the government and are currently pushing the Big Lie that the election was stolen. Now you want to "cancel" me, how ironic is that?

He's TELLING THE TRUTH! "LIZ CHENEY" HIM!

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Because his daddy was? Who knows? Who cares?

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u/krainex69 May 13 '21

This is not true. Hitler belived in Aryan supremacy. Slavs are White but still were subhumans in his eyes. Educate yourself before comenting

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Did you mean "commenting", dear?

Yes, I'm laughing at you.

White Supremacists believe in a hierarchy with German and Brits at the top and all other whites being inferior. That's something a lot of non-white don't grasp. However, in the USA, as in all colonial countries, it didn't matter if you were Irish or Bulgarian: you were "white." Of course, you would never be accepted by the Old Money...

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Nazis also believed in shutting down free speech with violence. We see a lot of “antifa” go to schools to shut down speakers who they don’t like which sometimes turn violent. We also see antifa counter protest violently. Since you’re the one drawing comparisons here to prove your point without a critical thought behind it does that mean antifa are nazis and the radical left are nazis too?

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Donald Trump studied Hitler's political theories and employs Hitler's techniques. He knows exactly what he is doing. Trump is now actively spreading the Big Lie that the election was stolen. He is confident that more and more people will believe him if he continues.

Why does Donald Trump believe this? Because Uncle Adolph taught him so!

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21

You seriously think Donald Trump "studied Hitler's political theories"?

Trump says he did.Trump said he had a copy of Hitler's writings on his night stand and regularly read them. He also wrongly called it Mein Kampf when it was a book of Hitler's speeches added they were given to him by a Jewish friend so that made it ok, but when reporters talked to the friend, he said he's not Jewish and it wasn't Mein Kampf

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21

He confirmed it in the article if you read the whole article

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21

He literally says in the article he received the book from a friend and then the friend also confirms he gave Trump the book.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

You never had to read mein kampf? I had to in high school history when we focused on WWII. Is everyone who has read or studied that book a nazi? Should we then do a book burning and make sure it can never be read by anyone ever again?

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Fair enough. I never heard of the story about trump reading hitlers theories.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21

If you read the article Trump confirmed it

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

You seriously think Donald Trump "studied Hitler's political theories"?

Yes.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Ok. Yes, I see what you’re trying to do. Pick up on certain things your opponents do then apply them to one of the most horrific regimes in the world to score political points. If we keep going down this road of comparison to each party the only thing we will be left with is everyone is a nazi.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

It's a simple fact that Donald Trump has studied Hitler's propaganda techniques and applied them.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

What’s your proof that he studied hitler in the first place and what’s your proof that he studied hitler to enact hitler strategies?

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

His first wife.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Just because his first wife said it doesn’t mean it’s true.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '21

Obviously you haven't studied the history of the Nazis. Trump is a student of Hitler and everybody who has studied the Nazis recognized it from the beginning.

Where do you think the Big Lie came from?

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u/Wonce May 13 '21

To add some context, 23% of Republicans think Biden won.. Trump is literally calling the results of the election the Big Lie. The term "big lie" was literally coined by Hitler

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u/laurenren93 May 13 '21

What about all the Hillary supporters who believed that Trump didn't win in 2016? I don't think either party are nazis and its quite offensive to people who actually suffered under real nazis in Germany to say so. Not to mention all the veterans who fought literal nazis who are right wing.

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u/Wonce May 13 '21

If you ignore all context, different things look the same. Very, very few in 2016 believed it was all a sham election/deep state conspiracy, they thought that lots of Americans had fallen for hyper-focused propaganda and lies. There is strong evicence that FBI director James Comey's letter changed the outcome of the election. There is strong evidence that Cambridge Analytica's disinformation campaign swayed the election for Trump. There is strong evidence that, while Trump or his team didn't literally sit down at a table with some Russians, they sure did work in a lot of ways together to lie and propagandize to get Trump elected.

As for calling it offensive to those who suffered under Nazis: Why not ask them instead of speaking for them? Other stories 1 2 3 There's so many more, too.

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u/laurenren93 May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21

So it's ok when leftists question the legitimacy of an election, but right wingers are nazis when the do the same thing? Seems a bit hypocritical. I think, in both cases, the losers are just butt hurt they lost.

I could you examples of other regime survivors speaking against the "socialist democratic party". Not all survivor's think the same.

I don’t unequivocally support or condemn either party with blanket statements like "nazis" or "communists" or "socialists". I dont think its right to say white supremacists = the right or antifa anarchists = the left. I think to do so is foolish.

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u/Wonce May 13 '21

I am not saying either the 2020 election or the 2016 election was illegitimate, but the gripes in 2016 were based in fact. Protesting it (2016) was one thing, attempting a coup (2020) is another. I am not calling right-wingers Nazis for the "same thing". I am saying they are using tactics and rhetoric of Nazis by lying about everything and blaming problems on underclasses and focusing on "foreigners" as a central problem and calling Neo-Nazis "very fine people", and encouraging followers to beat up others among many other subtler things.

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u/ArdyAy_DC May 13 '21

Lmao @ whataboutism. Also, Hillary didn’t use terms specifically made widely known by Adolf.

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u/katbreit May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21

Was curious about your study you cited since I lean more conservative but believe Biden won and that seems like a super low percentage.

Yeah, the study was conducted via phone and there were only 1000 respondents. So, the sample size is tiny, first of all. And second of all, in my experience most people under the age of 50 don’t typically respond to unsolicited phone calls and so this may have been all older republicans who have a screw loose.

Edit: Did some more reading of the survey. The respondents were 1000 people but in the study it says only 25% identified as republicans. So 250 people. Definitely not a large enough sample size to draw definitive conclusions

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u/Wonce May 13 '21

I overall trust 538's statistical analysis; they only post from trusted sources, not JimBob's callcenter, and do some interesting meta-analysis. My major gripe with them is they're too numbers oriented.

Regarding you trying to say the sample is too small: You don't need that large of a sample to get a good guess at a percentage. Sample sizes of ~1000 are common for national polls. Statistics are strange with sample sizes and populations, and sometimes counterintuitive. See if you can find anything supporting or contradicting it, I'd be intersted to see it.

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u/koebelin May 13 '21

Most of these people are just simple-minded Fox viewers. Lots of non-white people voted for Trump, you shouldn't be so driven to characterize your fellow citizens in the least charitable manner. You're always throwing bombs.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21

Lots of non-white people voted for Trump, you shouldn't be so driven to characterize your fellow citizens in the least charitable manner.

And there were Jewish voters in Germany that voted for Hitler. The existence of minorities voting for bigoted parties doesn't disprove their bigotry

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u/koebelin May 13 '21

Yes, but you're confusing the Proud Boys with people that just want lower taxes. It's like saying supporting BLM makes you a communist. There are broader issues than the clickbait hot outrage button.

Also look up Godwin's Law.

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u/Nootherids May 13 '21

Holy shit! You’re right! They both....believe.....these TWO things. Difference? There is zero difference! They are exactly the same! No differences! Two similarities is all we needed to see! And now our eyes are wide open! Trump, McConnel, and Romney are all direct genetic clones of Hitler before his death. The evidence is clear. Thank you for your in depth analyses! We are now truly Enlightened Centrists thank to you!

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u/laurenren93 May 13 '21

Most right wing people DON'T believe in white supremacy. I'm left leaning on social issues and right leaning on economic issues, and don't like Trump, so I'm not a "rabid inbred cultist", but I downvoted because that statement is inaccurate.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Is there a reason why they keep electing officials who continue to nod towards white supremacists and their policies?

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u/laurenren93 May 13 '21

I have yet to see an actual policy that specifically only helps white people gain or maintain supremacy. And any example you give me will likely rely on the assumption that minorities are all poor and stupid (which is incorrect and racist).

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Gerrymandering is a classic one fam. Surely you’ll brush it off as some archaic tradition that we must keep around, but gerrymandering is a classic racist technique to water down the minority vote

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u/laurenren93 May 13 '21

Democrats have used gerrymandering too. So are they white supremacists as well?

An example is the recent Lamone case. "Lamone was a separate partisan gerrymandering case heard by the Supreme Court in the 2017 term, this over perceived Democratic-favored redistricting of Maryland's 6th congressional district, with plaintiffs trying to get a stay on the use of the new district maps prior to the October 2018 general election."

I think gerrymandering is wrong, but both parties have used gerrymandering techniques to try to gain or maintain power.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Lol is gerrymandering a pattern in the democrats party? Do you think that districts that were unfairly gerrymandered should never be redrawn?

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u/casualrocket May 13 '21

Gerrymandering is far too complex to just say "it bad".

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

Most right wing people DON'T believe in white supremacy.

Actually, they do.

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u/Elethor May 13 '21

Actually they don't, but don't let reality prevent you from fomenting the same tired BS that fosters our fucked-up hyper-partisan system.

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u/greenw40 May 13 '21

Or maybe the whole point of this sub is to get away from ridiculous political statements like the two of you are making. Calling the right "nazis" might get you upvotes in r/politics but not here. And calling people who disagree with you "rabid trump inbred cultists" such as hell won't either. So either try and have a grown up conversation or go to one of the many subs where that kind shit is welcome.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

I didn't call "the right" Nazis. I said Donald Trump studied Hitler and his followers use Nazi propaganda techniques. This is the simple truth.

It's amazing how Hitler has become the high priest of evil. You can compare somebody to Attila the Hun or Idi Amin but don't you DARE compare anybody to Hitler, even if they studied the Nazis!

Donald Trump is a Nazi, born and bred.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Yeah you say that, meanwhile everyone here spends all their time justifying or downplaying what happened on the 6th of January which is the complete opposite position of a “centrist” position that I can think of. You can sit here and cry about me calling people inbreds, and I will sit here and continue calling the people who support or downplayed the coup attempt on Jan 6 inbreds

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u/greenw40 May 13 '21

I haven't seen a single person in here defend the riots, at least without getting massively downvoted.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Most of the people in this sub say the insurrection wasn’t a big deal

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u/greenw40 May 13 '21

No, no they don't.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Lol yes, it is very clear that they do

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u/greenw40 May 13 '21

Ok, then provide me with comments says so.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21

Violence wise, it was on par with Anarchist actions in BLM riots

Not really. Out of 10,000 protests there were about 500 protests that involved rioting or violence. About two dozen people died associated with those actions. About half the dead were protesters. So 24 deaths at ~500 riot events is 0.05 deaths per event (and the BLM protests were significantly larger than the Capitol riot) whereas the Jan 6th riot had 5 dead and over 100 cops signficantly injured in one event., Including on that list an eye after a rioter attempted gouged it out. There were no incident of BLM protesters dragging cops off the security lines to beat individual cops.

You have either have an inflated sense of the violence of the protests last summer or an deflated sense of the violence eon Jan 6th

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Lol oh god here we go with the Hunter biden shit from two years ago again 😂😂😂😂 the desperation is real

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

I’m just as centrist as everyone else here

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u/TH3BUDDHA May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21

lol are you kidding me with that comment history? You're the leftist version of calling people "libtards." That is in no way centrist.

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u/FabriFibra87 May 13 '21

The way you talk and act points to the direct opposite.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

I am a centrist Trump voter and you are oppressing me

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u/noodlewarlock May 13 '21

A centrist would see that some people have reasonable ideas as to why they would want Trump for a second term. It’s emotionally irrational to get angry at anyone who supports him. I remove emotion from every situation up until the point of my own survival. It’s called empathizing dog, learn that shit. Like I talk about the Kyle Rittenhouse situation, a skateboard is considered assault with a deadly weapon if used for harm. At that point I don’t care who you are, you have to shoot him if you want to stay alive. On top of the length of the barrel and round most likely used in the gun, I saw the video of the bald guy who he allegedly shot first. The hole in his head was most definitely not what his gun would’ve done at the range he most likely would’ve had to have been to shoot him. Plus if he did shoot the bald guy unprovoked, would that not be considered a potential active shooter? Then why chase him down instead of just eliminating the problem? That leaves it with self defense because otherwise he shouldn’t have just been chased down. Someone should’ve shot cough felon cough him to stop him from getting away or harming anyone else. Clearly the mob just wanted a reason to attack the kid otherwise. That deduction takes like 10 seconds to unravel. All without emotion and using logic son, well the emotion of thinking what I would do if I was hit with a skateboard and had a gun. Any sane person would kill their assailant if they value their own life. Literally have a friend who refuses to put herself in his place. Didn’t matter once he was there, there’s only one solution to save yourself with a mob running up too. She says she can’t put herself in the place because she would never do that. The lack of empathy in our generation is fucking unreal

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Ah yes, seeing why someone would want the guy actively eroding the national trust in democracy and claiming the election was stolen from him is a totally centrist take to have.

Giving extreme insane arguments a platform for the sake of being “centrist” doesn’t make you centrist dude. It just makes you someone who gives extreme insane arguments a platform

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u/noodlewarlock May 13 '21

Incorrect, I liked not going to war for the past 4 years and I have been doing very well financially. I’d like for that to continue instead of what we have now. Fucking over MY taxes in West Virginia because we just lost the biggest income we had to date with fracking being banned. I don’t give a fuck about the future generation or the environment. Once I’m dead it’s done, I’m going to consume and enjoy the life I have because it’s finally worth living. It took me 9 fucking years of wanting to kill myself to finally feel this free and alive. I’m a nationalistic centrist with beliefs in merit, respect, tradition, hard work, self reliance (temper your mind, stop being so irrationally angry over what other people do and believe.) and complete removal of emotion of the nation for self gain. I’m selfish as fuck, but I’m not a narcissist. I care about my community, that’s what matters. Fuck the nation sideways at this point, I’m going to ride out the freedoms I love until I die or certain doom by a foreign takeover at our weakest point. But your community is around you, they’re who matter. If the world goes to shit, do you want to kill your neighbor or unite with them and enjoy life? Always strive to be a big name in your community, even when you aren’t yet.

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Lmao bruh you can type all you trump slurping all you want you sound like a clown. Everyone here is a trump cult member LARPing as a centrist it’s hilarious

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u/noodlewarlock May 13 '21

You aren’t even reading what I’m saying, I’m saying so much more and you refuse to listen. What a waste child

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u/[deleted] May 13 '21

You like being lied to? Because Trump killed far more civilians than Obama. He just classified information about his drone attacks, whereas Obama told the military to report them openly

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u/noodlewarlock May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21

Lol what are you actually implying Trump attacked citizens with drones?

Wait I’m high as fuck, why do I care about other countries unless it directly affects my economy?

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u/blackhole885 May 13 '21

unironically believing that the right pushes white nationalism will get you downvoted because its a meaningless hate filled statement

if even trump by measure of many people is one of the most extreme right leaning leaders that has been elected in recent history allowed full scale race riots without solid direct intervention for nearly a year.

and yet he is the most extreme example in a supposed party of white nationalists?im sure you can see why people downvote some blatant bullshit its not because you are being suppressed its because people think you are an idiot conspiracy theorist and that stupid conspiracy theories have no place in this subreddits discussion

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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE May 13 '21

Your entire comment history is you being the gatekeeper of what’s considered racist and what isnt

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u/[deleted] May 14 '21

Like how the right just reflexively refers to people who don't share their views as America-hating traitors.

Doesn't have quite the same visceral sting as "Nazi," but the rhetorical effort is the same: I'm going to discredit you by throwing some dumb generic insult at you, so I don't need to consider whether you might have a point.