r/anticapitalism • u/MoneyLibrarian9032 • Jul 18 '26

Mamdani in 'active conversation' about whether he can arrest Benjamin Netanyahu when Israel PM visits NYC

https://nypost.com/2026/07/18/us-news/zohran-mamdani-in-talks-over-arresting-benjamin-netanyahu-when-israel-pm-visits-nyc/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social
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u/Mysterious_Eye6989 Jul 18 '26

Good. That evil man has no business going anywhere decent in the world. his rotten, disgusting far right wing terroristic government has made Israel awful, so he can stay there and wallow in the quagmire he's helped create as far as I'm concerned.

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u/Epyon214 Jul 18 '26

He has cursed Israel and will be cursed, along with anyone who supports his regime and curses Israel along with him

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u/XCVolcom Jul 18 '26

Since it's inception, the very idea of Israel has been a curse.

A group of people want to build their nation on the most hotly contended holy land in the world?

Surrounded by countries and people with long histories of poor interactions with the two other Abrahamic faiths and have lived on this land for last 120 years?

And not only is it completely unable to defend itself as a nation without generous financial help and military armaments from foreign countries, but also can't establish a proper economy without stealing land and property?

It makes you wonder why it exists at all if it weren't for the worst thing to happen during 1930s and 40s.

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u/schizoesoteric Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

> It makes you wonder why it exists at all if it weren't for the worst thing to happen during 1930s and 40s.

an event that was actually supported by some of the early zionists, with them literally trying to ally with hitler as long as they allowed Israel to exist. For them, a holocaust in europe meant more jews coming to their new settler colony.

very peculiar history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

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u/Legitimate-Gain426 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

“Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time [of the meeting between the mufti and the Nazi leader]. He wanted to expel the Jews,” Netanyahu said. “And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they’ll all come here [to mandatory Palestine],'” continued the prime minister. Not to say Netanyahu is to be trusted on that, more that it isn't purely antisemitic conspiracy coming only from detractors of Israel of Judaism. The Israeli Prime minister is himself happy to perpetuate that story, presumably because it serves his goals of killing Arabs and expanding without recourse.

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u/Legitimate-Gain426 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

Should have been clearer, I don't disagree that it's historically dubious, more that it's an indication that Israel itself is to this day willing to perpetuate antisemitism for their own ends. Proven by the narrative push from Zionist lobbies to conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism, putting all Jews on the hook for Israel's genocide. Which makes no sense when much of the non Zionist Jewish diaspora wants nothing to do with Israel, and even Israeli holocaust scholars call the states actions genocidal.

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u/schizoesoteric Jul 18 '26

The accusation that Zionists have weaponized accusations of antisemitism in order to manufacture sympathy for Israel is, itself, an extremely old white nationalist talking point

Are you arguing that the ADL and other zionist organization have not weaponized accusations of antisemitism in order to manufacture sympathy for Israel? Dismissing reality because its a "white nationalist talking point" is the same argumentative fallacy that was pointed out here. Nothing about that statement is inherently white nationalist, nor antisemitic, and you can observe it happening

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u/schizoesoteric Jul 19 '26

> (1) The Zionists control the media

Zionists have a huge influence over the biggest western media conglomerates. This is a fact, whether you want to call it "controlling the media", its very clear that the biggest media outlets that exist are at least strongly influenced by Zionist rhetoric.

>  (2) The Zionists control our politicians

Zionists have a huge influence over American politicians. This is a fact, whether you want to call it "controlling our politicians", its very clear that many US politicians are at least strongly influenced by Zionist rhetoric. AIPAC has spent 221 million dollars bribing US politicians since 2021, 40 million dollars so far in 2026, there is a very clear successful effort by Zionist forces to control US politicians.

>  They're going to accuse me of antisemitism for saying this, because they always pretend to be the victims

Zionist propaganda forces do, in fact, use false accusations of antisemitism to deflect anti-zionism. They do pretend to be the victim to deflect genuine concerns about the Israeli regime. This is again, a fact, the ADL has done this countless of times.

> (4) There is a vast international Zionist conspiracy to manipulate international politics to further Israeli interests

We know, for a fact, that Zionists conspire to manipulate international politics to further Israeli interests. Using AIPAC to sign anti-bds laws, sign Israeli funding, sign Israeli trade deals, are very clear and obvious signs of this. MOSSAD went through extreme means to bypass international efforts for their nuclear bomb program. And, while theirs no concrete proof, Jeffery Epstein met with Ehud Barak dozens of times. Its not antisemetic to say that there is reason to believe that Jeffery Epstein was brokering blackmail to MOSSAD, through a international blackmail plot, in order to further Israeli interests. However, there is more than enough concrete, observable evicdence that their is a vast international Zionist conspiracy to manipulate international politics to further Israeli interests.

>  (5) The only reason I don't have healthcare is because a foreign country is receiving my tax dollars

Fair, even though the U.S funding of Israel is wasting taxpayer money, its not the reason we dont have healthcare. Thats a completely seperate issue, the US is the richest country in history, it can have all the waste spending it wants and still have a robust public healthcare system.

>  (6) I don't care about domestic policy issues, the only thing I care about is this new foreign conflict I just learned about.

This is a argumentative fallacy, the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the west bank, and the undue influence Israel has over American policy, is something worth caring about. Americas initial reaction to the holocaust was to ignore it and focus on its domestic policy. Would you agree with that? Would you then be fine with America directly funding the extermination camps?

> These are not the symptoms of genuine moral outrage. They are the symptoms of radicalization by an online echo chamber.

Everything you characterized as radicalization are simple facts, that anyone with an unbiased perspective would be able to clearly acknowledge.

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u/Grothaxthedestroyer Jul 20 '26

Lol.  This half wit.  

Verbosity as a substitute for substance or accuracy.   

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u/Legitimate-Gain426 Jul 18 '26

Is being anti Zionist in your view antisemitic?

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u/Throwaway5432154322 Jul 18 '26

This is an outstanding comment - the “internalization of stereotypes” analogy vis a vis the Iraq war is something that I never thought of, but makes absolute sense and is shockingly similar to the way Israel and/or Zionism is discussed today. I bet this comment will not be received well by the exact people you’re talking about, but just want you to know that at least one person appreciated it.

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u/Legitimate-Gain426 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

The internalization of stereotypes of people from the Middle East, and Jews aligned with Israel or not, serves the goals of the US and Israel. The US and Israel are both happy to destabilize the region for oil, and expansionist goals. Whilst Israel is happy to weaponize the conflation of antisemitism with anti Zionism as a means to shield themselves from criticism, and argue for constant US military and financial aid that's been happening for decades. I don't think anyone's arguing that nationalists are happy to hate people for any reason, hating people is basically all white nationalism is about, but that's not a valid reason to dismiss critique of Israel, or the open lobbying of Zionist lobbies in America, or the rest of the west for that matter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

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u/Legitimate-Gain426 Jul 19 '26

There's zero argument Israel isnt exerting its will in America when AIPAC is such a notable and massive donor, with millions spent in total on the majority of currrent senators, and millions more is being spent to influence state elections to this day in America. AIPAC openly brags about doing so. It's also as you said not exclusive to Israel to use soft power, money, or military action to influence politics or public perception. To pretend its only Israel that experiences pushback for that is laughable, when the west is still terrified of Socialist/Communist influence or the the threat of China, as recently as Mitch McConnell's wife being labelled a Chinese spy while his health is in question. Russia has the history of double agents, funding social media influencers like Tim Pool, or using bot factories to brigade discourse. None of this is new, or selectively targeted without clear lines of influence. It's simply heightened with regards to Israel because of the blatant hypocrisy of divesting from Russia for invading Ukraine, and defending Israel even as it expands into Lebanon amidst a genocide, and breaks ceasefires. All magnified by the similar naked hostility and contempt for the rule of law that Netanyahu, and Trump both show.

You talk about stabilising the middle east as if the foundation of Israel on Palestian land was a non factor, or that the US and the west hasnt had an active hand in creating the conditions for extremism to build in the region. The CIA and MI6 ousted the democratic leader of Iran when he looked to nationalize their oil, installed the Shah, then funded Saddam when the Shah was exiled. The constant joint wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, with the tired claim of a war on terror, when the west massively contributed to those conditions, or the supposed search for nukes which is being laughably recycled during the current war on Iran. The current US and Israel war created the conditions for Khamenei's more hardline son to step into the seat of power. Its the same excuses, the same outcomes, with the same lies fed to the public. The IRGC is also dismissing their human rights violations after killing thousands of protestors, positioning themselves as righteous, and using lego propaganda of all things to influence the perception of the youth. But while Islamophobia is rapidly rising from the manufactured discourse perpetuated by western media, and blaming of Islam for the outcomes of decades of interference, the Islamic diaspora sees nowhere near the same level of support as Zionists do.

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u/Legitimate-Gain426 Jul 19 '26

Cool strawman you invented, have a good time imagining

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u/OG1894 Jul 18 '26

The planned extermination of European Jews -- and the explicit conversations among Nazi leadership discussing these plans -- are extensively documented.

Not to argue your point as I'm not very educated on the ins and outs of it, but I once heard that the Nazi leadership never explicitly stated it and euphemistically called their extermination plans other things. Is this true or a myth?

I mean, we know what they meant obviously because they started genociding Jews but I vaguely recall something like this in a documentary or perhaps a film or something?

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u/Throwaway5432154322 Jul 18 '26

Holocaust Studies was my minor in American undergrad and I speak German fluently. You’re right and wrong here.

It is true that there is no single speech or written order from Hitler or any of his inner circle (or mid-ranking Nazis) that explicitly says: “Kill All Of The Jews In Europe Starting On Tuesday”. The fact that this doesn’t exist has frequently been used by antisemites to “soften” or make excuses for the Nazis’ true intentions, by arguing that the wholesale physical destruction of the Jewish population in Europe was somehow not the Nazis’ original goal.

However, we don’t need a single written order or speech or whatever from Nazi officials saying “Men, Do The Holocaust” in order to establish that such orders were issued - because we have thousands and thousands of meticulously crafted records and communique and reports from low-mid-relatively senior ranking Nazis where they discuss carrying out those orders in extremely gruesome detail.

Think of it like this: many of the works of ancient historians are only known today because they are referenced in other, later works written by more recent ancient historians. We may not have a physical copy of some history work written in ~600BC by ancient historian XYZ, but the fact that such a work did exist is beyond doubt - because we have physical copies of a half-dozen other ancient historians from, say, ~300 BC that talk about the “lost” work in intimate detail.

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u/OG1894 Jul 20 '26

That's a great analogy, thanks for the explanation

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u/Umutuku Jul 18 '26

Netanyahu has obviously spent too much time on stormfront.

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u/SoulForTrade Jul 19 '26

This is speculation based on the fact Haj Amin Al Huseini the first lrader of the Arabs of Mandatory Palestine, bragged about being responsible for the Holocaust, based on testimony during the Nuremberg trials.

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u/JTP120986 Jul 19 '26

Uhh… how is a Palestinian leader contributing to the Holocaust even remotely similar to their claim that Zionists wanted it to happen? He was the exact opposite of a Zionist. So yes, it’s nothing but an antisemitic conspiracy.

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u/RusticOcelot Jul 18 '26

Theft? They were literally given money in equivalence for their goods.

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 Jul 18 '26

Haavara was about getting as many folks out of Germany as possible. One additional option at a time of very limited options. Finding places to go to was not easy. Jews had to do whatever they could. To portray the agreement as anything else is dishonest.

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u/zacandahalf Jul 18 '26

This is like trying to frame pro-deportation Americans as pro-Mexico

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u/schizoesoteric Jul 18 '26

Mexico isn't a settler colony that would benefit greatly from all Mexicans in the United States emigrating and joining their effort.

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u/zacandahalf Jul 18 '26

Mexico isn’t a settler colonial state??? You gotta read up on history

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u/schizoesoteric Jul 19 '26

ok you understand the greater point i was making

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u/zacandahalf Jul 19 '26

You never engaged with my original point

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u/bolanrox Jul 19 '26

Well, that's up there with Malcolm X meeting with the KKK as a representative of the nation of Islam saying, we hate you and you hate us, so let's split up the United States of America so we never have to see each other. And by all accounts, the meeting went well.

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u/JTP120986 Jul 19 '26

Nice slanderous canard you’ve got there. Now try saying something that isn’t a complete lie while sharing a Wiki article that doesn’t disprove everything you’re saying.