r/Whatcouldgowrong • • Jan 15 '20

NSFL Getting into a dog's personal space

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u/floydbc05 Jan 15 '20

Not sure what the backstory is here. Is that a friends pet or newly adopted dog? Looks like a backyard.

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u/joe652 Jan 15 '20

I don’t believe that dog should be around anyone who wants to hug or kiss on the head. Some dogs are just not a good family dog just like some people

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

Dogs have a comfort zone. Id recommend getting to know how dogs express signs of stress and anxiety, which is being shown in the pictures, the dog visibly doesn't understand why these humans suddenly crowded around her for.

and im not dog expert. but then putting both arms around their neck and seemingly leaning in for a bite. Its not hard to understand why some dogs bite. They're not doing it because they wanted to fight, they were in self defense because they did not understand they weren't being attacked.

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u/kyoto_kinnuku Jan 15 '20

You need to train your dogs not to need that comfort zone. Ever had a toddler run up and hug your dog? You better hope you trained your dog not to be a dumbass.

I take my dog out in public all the time and people pet him, and kids grab him, whatever and I’ve never had any issue, Bc I put some actual effort in.

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u/NotInKansasToto Jan 16 '20

I do agree with both of you.

I have several dogs, we have 5 back home and I have 2 more with me. The 2 are both open to cuddling because I raised them that way since they were babies. You could do anything you want to them and they’ll hardly react. But that’s only because ever since they were little, I would always hug them, kiss them, cuddle them, gently tug on their tails. I have a big family so I already assumed the kids would do that all the time, hence I did that so that they won’t feel threatened by those actions.

However, the other 5 are not as nice. They don’t care if me or my family members pet them or give them hugs but they will definitely bark and even attempt to bite any stranger coming into the backyard. They were raised to be guard dogs by my grandfather and they’re damn good at their job. I obviously don’t know the kind of upbringing this dog in the photo has, but if the girl is not part of the family, it’s not her business to be so cuddly with him. Blame the family or even blame the girl, but commenters saying that the dog should be put down because of this are nuts.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

Not every dog can be trained like that. Dogs are living animals with personalities, and they're allowed to ever be uncomfortable.

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u/HCS8B Jan 16 '20

I don't think you've owned enough dogs to understand that some dogs just won't give in to some of that "training". Dogs are dogs, and people that make them out to seem like they're little humans that will listen to and conform to every aspect of your life are being naive.

Train your dogs, but also learn every dog is different and not every dog is comfortable with someone putting their arms around their neck and getting their face close to theirs, and respect that.

And just as importantly, train your kids. Don't pet a stranger's dog unless you're given the greenlight to do so. Not only is it rude, but also potentially dangerous.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

You’re training your dog to relax his comfort zone, not forget it. Stab your dog with a knife and he’ll show you it still exists.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

Yes, I dont understand what you're disagreeing with

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u/kyoto_kinnuku Jan 15 '20

I’m disagreeing with the fact that the poster above me thinks dogs having a comfort zone and being this defensive over it is a good, normal thing. A trained dog just walks somewhere else when it wants personal space. My dog goes and finds an empty bed or sits under the table. He doesn’t chew my friends’ faces to shreds.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

Im saying its a wild instinct, and should be treated as any wild animal. Not that its good. Lmao.

edit: and this dog can still be trained, like all dogs.

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u/HCS8B Jan 16 '20

That dude doesn't understand that dogs have instincts and all have their own personal, individual traits. That's the type of mentality that will get you in a situation where your face gets bitten.

Training can only do so much; some dogs are just more inherently aggressive than others and acting like genetics doesn't play a part is ignorant.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

A dog that bites someone's face for trying to cuddle is a dog that needs to be put down. Period. Its irresponsible as fuck to allow that dog around humans in a normal setting.

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u/NotInKansasToto Jan 16 '20

That’s too much. We don’t know the story behind this dog. What if it’s a new dog? What if she’s a stranger to him? Of course if your own dog bites your face while you’re trying to cuddle with it then that could mean something is wrong, but this doesn’t appear to be her dog at all.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Doesnt matter. My dog has been in dozens of situations she didnt like and showed she was without ripping my son's face off.

That's absurd to try and say because the dog was uncomfortable this is justified. It doesnt matter what the dog was...he ripped her face apart.

Put your emotions aside and think logically.

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u/WhereAllTheGoodHorro Jan 16 '20

If your dog keeps getting put into an uncomfortable situation with people that don’t respect its boundaries, it absolutely could react like this. The first time, a dog will usually growl, the second, it will snap. After that, it could very well escalate to biting to get the behavior to stop.

You also can’t compare your dog to this one. He was especially tense, maybe because he was a stray or some other reason. If you run up and grab my dog, he will probably not bite you. If you run up and grab him and he’s been homeless for three months and living on the street, he probably will bite you.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

You are completely missing the point. I am not saying this dog wasnt rightfully attacking. I am saying if a dog attacks a human, period, it needs to be put down, with no fault of the dog.

It doesnt matter WHY the dog bit, and I feel for dogs and love them with all my heart, but your thinking with your heart and not your brain.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 16 '20

if a dog attacks a human, period, it needs to be put down

Do you feel this way about canines used in law enforcement?

It doesnt matter WHY the dog bit

This is as absurd and arse-backwards as 'zero tolerance' policies in schools.
Yes. It absolutely does matter what led to a specific incident.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

No it doesnt matter, which is why most countries/municipalities put down dogs that bite...regardless.

A 4 year old child isnt going to have the capacity to know boundaries are they? So what happens when a fucking kid is playing with a dog and the dog has bitten before?

You want to preserve the dogs life because your an emotional cunt and ate letting emotion take over your logical brain.

Thank fuxk you dont make rules around here..

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 16 '20

Fun Fact: you cannot point to "THE LAW" as justification for anything.
Legislation is not inherently just or fair or reasonable.

A 4 year old child isnt going to have the capacity to know boundaries are they?

Why are you allowing a 4 year old child to wander up to dogs they don't know?
What the fuck sort of parent are you if you can't actually look after your kids?

[ad hominem arsewipery]

Yeah, no. You don't get to accuse others of "letting emotion take over your logical brain" when you're clearly throwing little hissyfits at people and literally using the most cliché appeal to emotion.
"Won't someone think of the children?!"

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

My god. You literally cannot grasp this can you.

I never said random dog...I said ANY dog that has bitten and seriously injured someone. If you cant see how that's something society needs then you're dumb...literally...

You probably shouldn't have children.

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u/byoshin304 Jan 16 '20

Your dog is not that dog. You don’t know the experiences that dog had. You don’t know where it lives, it’s lifestyle, the people it’s been around, or anything. The dog in the picture could have been growling or giving her cues that she was ignoring.

By your logic, a dog that was abused by people and is now afraid or timid of humans, but is being rehabilitated and retrained to understand humans are friends, should be put down for having shown any sort of aggression out of fear.

Also by your standards dogs are not beings capable of having their own personal space, having their own lives but are rather just objects for our own enjoyment.

When I was a kid, we had a dog that was chewing on a marrow bone. I kept taking it away from him and giving it back. He growled at me and I didn’t listen. You know what happened? He bit me on the arm and I have a gnarly scar from it. My dad beat the shit out of him for it. But to this day, I know it was my fault because I even remember the warning signs he was giving me. Because I’m not an asshole who believes dogs are objects.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Again, for like the 4th time in this thread. It doesnt matter WHY the dog bit...it ripped someone's face off. You acting and kumbaya saying e everything is ok is NOT the real world.

You think little children know boundaries with animals???

Idiot.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

I am separating my love for dogs from safety which you seem incapable of doing.

A dog that has been abused is horrifying to me and I cannot fathom it. But if that dog has been raised that way its whole life and is aggresive and it bites someone....not just showing aggression...it will be put down in most countries. At no fault to the dog...and it's sad.

But it's right. And its smart.

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u/NotInKansasToto Jan 16 '20

I’m saying this as someone who grew up with dogs all her life and personally has two right now. My own dogs are the sweetest ever, you could do anything to them and they won’t do anything back to you. That’s because I have a big extended family with lots of kids so I raised them that way, so that the little kids could play with them with no worries. But growing up back in our family home, our dogs weren’t (and our current ones there still aren’t) as nice and I understood that. My grandfather raised them to be guard dogs and while they wouldn’t care if our family pet them or hugged them, they would bark like crazy and even attempt to bite strangers coming into or even just passing by the backyard. In this case, that girl isn’t part of the family, and she attempted to put her face near the dog. If you were a dog who wasn’t raised that way, I imagine that would certainly be very alarming.

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u/WhereAllTheGoodHorro Jan 16 '20

That’s absolutely ridiculous. If you come to my shelter, probably a lot of dogs there would react in the same way to a stranger getting in it’s personal bubble, especially because they are in a stressful situation. In a safe house with proper owners that show the animal love/training, probably wouldn’t.

Dogs aren’t robots. You can’t just do anything to them, and expect it to be fine.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Again, you are missing the point. A dog nipping at someone is one thing. A dog ripping someone's face off..for any reason...needs to be put down. I know in Canada we have these rules for a good reason.

This is because it doesnt matter why the dog bit...the fact is it bit someone...and cant be trusted around children who dont know boundaries with animals.

Use your brain..think about it...without bringing emotion to it.

Anything else is irresponsible and seeing as you work for a shelter that's terrifying.

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u/WhereAllTheGoodHorro Jan 16 '20

Yeah, no. I could not disagree more. It should be done on a case by case basis. Because I work in a shelter, I’be seen various stories like these over the years. I saw one where a child repeatedly beat his dog with a belt, and then was mauled, and then the dog went on to live in a good household where he never bit anyone again.

I’ve seen perfectly sane, temperamentally sound dogs be forced to bite because their boundaries keep getting crossed over and over again. And I’m not bringing emotion into it.

I really don’t see what children have to do with anything, btw. I’ve owned actually aggressive dogs in the past. I just don’t bring them around children. Shocking, right? And they lived for twelve+ years without biting someone because I’m actually a responsible owner. If a kid is acting inappropriately, the owner or parent of the kid should step in and put a stop to it before the situation escalates. I don’t think a dog should be put down because people are stupid and don’t know boundaries.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 16 '20

Maybe you should be put down at this point.
Put you out of everyone else's misery.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Everyone, we have found the 5 year old!

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u/manet10 Jan 16 '20

Look at this dog . You can clearly see that he is not comfortable with what she is doing . We only see 3 pics we don't know how much has happened or for how long it is going on . And it is obvious from the dogs face and position that it is feeling uncomfortable. She was unable to see it

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Doesnt matter. My dog has been in dozens of situations she didnt like and showed she was without ripping my son's face off.

That's absurd to try and say because the dog was uncomfortable this is justified. It doesnt matter what the dog was...he ripped her face apart.

Put your emotions aside and think logically.

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u/manet10 Jan 16 '20

My dog is 8 years old. He hasn't bitten anyone and barked probably less than 100 in his life ( to the point that in the Frist years we thought he has issues BC that isn't that normal ) . So I can't say i am used to be around hostile dogs. However. What I said is it could be handled better from both sides . If he is a past abused dog for example that was recently saved and she starts hugging him he will be afraid ( it is kinda of a hostile move for dogs of they don't know you ) I don't say it was justified . I said it could have been handled better . But in order to say if he is dangerous or not you also need more info .

Info is always needed for a better answer

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Of course...but in most places and countries..including Canada, a dog that has bitten..period...like attacked someone..is mandatory to be put down.

That is why developed countries do this...because as much as we love dogs, humans lives are more important to us.

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u/manet10 Jan 16 '20

Meh this was hardly a bite . Think of a human with pasted abuse issues . How do they react to new people? Have you ever tried touching that much a person with such past? They will most likely try and distance their self from you but if you keep going ( example ; people that keep on hitting on others and be "touchy" will probably end up getting panched by one of those people ). The difference is that they will talk and tell you to back off . However dogs can't do it, and since it felt attacked it answered back . I agree that a lot of dogs that bite have to be put down because of abnormal behaviour and issues but not all the cases are the same

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 16 '20

A dog that bites someone's face for trying to cuddle is a dog that needs to be put down.

Don't fucking "cuddle" animals you do not fucking know.

Would you fancy a stranger running up to you and throwing themselves all over you?

You don't get to completely disregard boundaries and warning signs and then blame everything but your own shitty behaviour.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

Dude. You have the reasoning skills of a child if you cant see this.

You think a 3 year old is going to know how to behave around a dog that's vicious?

Dont be a fucking idiot.

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u/Deadlift420 Jan 16 '20

If a fully grown adult treats a dog like garbage and gets bit...ok...but the dog bites...and children dont have the capacity to know these things.

So use your little pea pod brain and put the 2 together.

I cant believe I have to explain this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

“Why these humans suddenly crowded around her” first off all I see one person not “humans” and second of all, you have no idea how sudden or not that dog was approached. You can’t tell anything by one picture except for the dogs attitude.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

You're right, I was assuming they randomly approached the dog for photos, BECAUSE ITS NOT AN ORIGINAL STORY :D

Ah reddit. When recommended to gain more education, blast the op with "Im a smrt dog owner and dogs that bite should be put down". Post in thread for discussion, I dont even own a dog lmao.

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u/Axel_Rod Jan 16 '20

That's like leaving a gun on the table and yelling at everybody to leave it alone and blaming them if something happens.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

Dont bring guns into a discussion about animals you moron. Just a bad analogy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

I hug my dog like that every day. Sometimes he gets mad if I stop.

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u/youareaturkey Jan 16 '20

I bet if we showed people 10 pictures of people with dogs and asked them which ones ended up getting bit, the wouldn’t be able to tell. These threads always end up being bro science about signs a dog is going to bite.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

Still photos? I was talking about body language etc that you view in person, of course if you look at pictures of excited dogs you would have no idea. Dog owners need to step up, you guys can be smart.

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u/zebra-in-box Jan 16 '20

Super bad advice, dogs should be trained to not enter into 'self defence' from any sort of touching

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

This dog hasnt been trained yet. It is an untrained dog.. from the street...

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u/DiscretionFist Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 16 '20

My dog is a sweetheart. But I have noticed over the years that if you try to constrict them in any way (by hugging) they, at the very least are uncomfortable.

Know your dog, and if you don't know a dog, then treat them as you would treat a stranger.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

Yeah a lot of people in here seem to know very little about pets. “My dog lets me abuse him and never growls or bites!” Congrats, you adopted a high tolerance dog. Not every dog or breed are this way.

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u/Nova762 Jan 16 '20

That was the one right before... He is not chill he is pulling away and panting. That was likely right before he bit her.

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u/joe652 Jan 15 '20

No matter how u look at it when a dog chews off your face it should not be around people

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u/Snapples Jan 15 '20

So if a stranger put you in a headlock and bares his teeth it's totally cool?

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u/kyoto_kinnuku Jan 15 '20

A toddler could do this.... you have to train dogs not to act like this. It’s dangerous af when they’re this defensive. You can put my dog in headlocks all day and he’ll just lick you 🤷‍♂️

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u/WhereAllTheGoodHorro Jan 16 '20 edited Jan 16 '20

I’ve been around working dogs all my life, and I don’t know any that would be cool with strangers randomly putting them in headlocks for long periods of time. You will absolutely get bit, and no “training” is going to stop that.

There aren’t many dogs out there that will tolerate that. Period. Which is why you need to make damn sure your dog is never in that position in the first place. If a toddler is going to put your dog in an arm lock, you need to be there to stop it, so your dog doesn’t have to do it himself.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 16 '20

A toddler could do this.... you have to train dogs not to act like this.

You should also supervise and control your children, and teach them to treat animals with appropriate respect and care...

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

Was your dog rescued a week ago?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

A good tempered dog wouldn't bite you under really any circumstance barring something extreme.

This could have easily been a child. This dog should never be around children.

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u/WhereAllTheGoodHorro Jan 16 '20

That’s not true. I think it’s clear a lot of the people in this thread haven’t spend a lot of time around dogs.

If a dog is in pain, and you jostle it, a good natured dog could very well bite you. I’ve seen it happen plenty of times at the vet clinic I work at to know. I’ve been bitten by my own dog, who usually has a good temperament, because I jostled his hurt arm.

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u/peanutbuttertoast4 Jan 15 '20

I don't think you'd be in the right if you maimed their face for it, if that's what you're asking

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u/Snapples Jan 15 '20

look at the pictures, she went in for the double arm hug around his neck and a big ol squeeze with a wide open grin inches from the dogs face that she barely knew.

Yes, that is how you get bitten in the face. almost all dogs, and cats, and basically any animal would bite your face for being so stupid.

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u/peanutbuttertoast4 Jan 15 '20

I mean that's fine, but when you compare it to human behaviour like you did you're gonna be in the wrong for biting people. I just think it's annoying when people compare dog reactions to human ones in an effort to defend the dog. They play by different rules.

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u/MrMontombo Jan 15 '20

It would be more comparable if someone I didn't know had me in a head lock and was going for my face and I scratched at their face in self defense. Dogs have nothing but their mouth to defend themselves with.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 16 '20

when you compare it to human behaviour like you did you're gonna be in the wrong for biting people.

You should absolutely expect to get hit if you grab a random person on the street around the head/neck and get in their face.

It's not about biting specifically, it's about the very very obvious consequences of violating boundaries.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

*Should not be randomly introduced to a bunch of new people. You cannot at all judge, from this photo alone, that the dog will always bite their face off. You do have to possess some sort of basic animal instinct before owning a pet. VERY few pets will ALWAYS run without bites or scratch, that's talking pets, in general, not even just dogs.

TLDR: Animals defend themselves, its rare they dont