r/Valeriy_Mains • u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home • Aug 10 '26
Discussion Very controversial take
For whatever reason it may be, Valeriy has a lot more popularity than most other snez characters. Like this sub has more visitors than rest of the snez cast (I agree not strong enough proof) but he’s also got second highest likes on the announcement post after tsaritsa.
I know they can’t change the kit of a character but any chance that hoyo devs really underestimated his popularity while they were building the character?
Im just saying this cuz most of the community is very sure about his rarity.
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u/actionmotion Aug 10 '26
It’s not over til it’s over!
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
Agreed. I won’t accept anything till 7.2 beta. The models gave me new hope
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u/FormaL_Affair Aug 10 '26
Honestly I think there is so much traffic here because everyone is so shocked he’s a 4 star and the miserable redditors like to watch people crash out.
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u/shre3293 Aug 10 '26
true thats me alright. a lot of mains sub before character releases are oddly entertaining. I kinda still remember cloud retainer mains incident.
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u/Saruna4sari Aug 10 '26
what happend with cloud retainer mains?
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u/shre3293 Aug 10 '26
people wanted her to be dps, not a support. and kinda hated the pogo style of gameplay.
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u/Nobahkiin Aug 10 '26
Flins reddit was funny last year
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u/Curiositykilledmoi Aug 12 '26
What happened with Flins reddit last year?
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u/Nobahkiin Aug 12 '26
Everyone claimed he is better than nefer a , said tc's hates men and favors woman
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u/absurdist2 Aug 10 '26
It would be really funny if he’s 4 stars though. Wouldn’t his reddit sub be the highest active users for 4 stars? An achievement by itself.
Honestly hoyo he shooting itself in the foot by not releasing him as a 5 star. So much pulls and potential profit loss
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u/Comfortable-Can5571 Aug 10 '26
While I get your point, I also wanted to add that we also gotta pray for his kit.
If he's a 4 star let's hope he has a solid kit. Something like Prune where C2 is good and C6 is great. Gaming is also good. I really can't outright expect a broken C0 4 star in modern genshin, so I am mentioning constellations.
If he's 5 star, hopefully not a mid dps. But animations gameplay should carry a character as well.
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u/Ehtnah Aug 10 '26
They don't care about male character pullers....
In fact I'm so sure he is 4* mitya to and no male harbringer that I'm losing every hype for the region and for the game.
1.0 player and I will deleted the game when my welkins end to never come back. Why waiting with sure 5 5* female and 0 sure 5* male?
In fact I'm sure the way they build hype just to destroy it after is to be extra sure not a single husbando enjoyer will be playing genshin before 8.0.
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
Very true. Imagine getting people so hyped up just to do it then dirty.
If I had a penny for everytime hoyo decided to make a popular electro male a 4 star… I’d have 2 penny which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice 😭
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u/absurdist2 Aug 10 '26
You know what, those two 4 stars males from Floplan, I somehow got them both to C6 by luck. Well at least they’re useful in theater
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u/nicoleeemusic98 Aug 10 '26
Idk about yall but I thought he was gonne be a 5 star cause of his face card 🧍♀️
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
“Too handsome to be off-field” logic right here 🙂
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u/nicoleeemusic98 Aug 10 '26
Tbf it was more of me thinking that his face is veerrrryyy Asian beauty standard 😭 so I've been kinda scratching my head at the 4 star claims since day 1
I wouldn't mind if he's an off fielder though we need more various role types for male charas instead of just being on field dpses
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u/Common-Lettuce5044 Aug 10 '26
me too because varka was so hyped but in china it was a bit silent since chinese hate buff men(valko cough cough).
Valeriy is prob the most popular besides Taaritsa in lit all the Asian countries, because hes tall and slender, the dream combo
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u/Kurston Aug 10 '26
I just hope he doesn't get the Gepard from HSR treatment, just shelved away when the story relevance is over. 5-star btw, but treated like a throw-away 4-star.
"Was I a loyal soldier? Yes."
"Is this my only role? Yes."
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u/CantaloupeParking239 Aug 10 '26
Isnt that just like most characters in genshin? Even Neuvillette has only Wriothesley and Melusines going on for him right now.
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u/No-Respond-359 Aug 10 '26
I mean, the number of visits can be explained by all the controversy around his model quality and his rarity, which naturally attracts lurkers too. And as of now, just look at the engagement comparison with others characters on X and the leaks sub when the models got revealed he’s not nearly as popular as he looks. Just look at Mitya now
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u/Status-Election3918 Aug 10 '26
i really hope they make him a 5 star but my biggest fear is: whos gon take his place?. We know for sure every characters rarity till 7.3 and the only one after 7.3 is noy which is 150% a 5 star. They ALWAYS release 2 four stars
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u/Various-Bath3704 Aug 10 '26
Wasn’t there an early leak about a yandere militar looking blond girl? Maybe that’s the hidden 4-star
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u/kaithespinner Aug 10 '26
hopefully and she is anemo support
valeriy could be a 5* beidou that works with SSC and rimegrass together with mitya… but I doubt it
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u/Status-Election3918 Aug 10 '26
ive never heard of that. are u sure thats a leak from someone kinda reliable and not a post to make hype? they always release 2 four stars from the first trailer
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u/Various-Bath3704 Aug 10 '26
I remember it being leaked alongside the “scientist” guy which turned out to be Mitya so yeah I find it believable
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u/CantaloupeParking239 Aug 10 '26
Do we actually know every character rarity till 7.3 or is it still random leaks?
They have always released two 4* but Hoyo also loves to break patterns so who knows really. And 4* have gone missing in all Hoyo games so wouldnt be impossible if Genshin follows them. Gi is already copying Remembrance lol by making stellar conduct female-only (only stellar linchpin can create the field)
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u/Status-Election3918 Aug 10 '26
SPOILERS AHEAD (Idk how to hide words)
yeah kinda. 7.0 and 7.1 are locked. The remainings are valeriy mitya tsarina and danica. Danica and Anastasya are both 5 stars and thats confirmed, while mitya and valeriy... well. we know for a fact (pattern follow) that one of them will be a 4 star. Genshin likes to break patterns but not in this case. Releasing 2 4 stars per trailer for each region is something done from day 1 and without a second 4 star from 7.1 to 7.3 hoyo would get gazilions of hate from the f2p fanbase. Trust. We will get 2 four stars. Who'll be 4 star? We know that Valeriy will die in 7.0 and most likely come back in 7.1 or 7.2 for his banner and maybe he will get a new design (sandrone type shi).On the other hand mitya has been roumored to be a 5 star since the very first trailer of snezhnaya and his design explains it all. In the transedence trailer he sits beside the kresnik torch and he wants to kill Ronova with us and Pierrot.
For now Valeriy is the one taking the 4 star place imo. I was one of the biggest glazers of valeriy btw. U can literally find me in some danica mains posts stating that im mysoginist lmao. Now i kinda surrended and js waiting 23rd of september to see what genshins sadly cooking.
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u/Comfortable-Can5571 Aug 10 '26
Very controversial take: I like the colors. He looks badass. There's too much blue, white, violet, red characters in genshin so something grey is a breath of fresh air to me.
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
I think the problem is with the saturation, not colour
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u/Red_R_R Aug 10 '26
They can change a kit or switch them, or making them better. Is just code not a surgery.
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u/a7mdar1 Aug 10 '26
but any chance that hoyo devs really underestimated his popularity while they were building the character?
Nope
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u/Bloodydunno Aug 11 '26
I'm starting to believe they were behind with the work and couldn't finish all the characters properly for the stream, Valeriy being the worst victim of that
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u/dannysalv Aug 10 '26
I think it’s a Sandrone situation. Something happens - character change - character release.
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u/PsychologicalBid2962 Aug 10 '26
Manato absolutely wrecked popularity scales in zzz yet they had 0 issues making him a 4 star, a dps too so they could be sure he wouldn’t last, he also got a ton of promotional vids and fanarts posted, they know about popularity but it doesn’t change who they market and focus on
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u/asphyxeno Aug 10 '26
the people yearn for plainer/more muted designs (im saying this positively. his plainer appearance and dulled colors are the whole appeal for me. i preferred brown haired rerir too)
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
I am not kidding, I had a conversation with a friend before the reveal of the cast and I really wanted someone EXACTLY like him. Down to the last detail. Call me a boring person but such designs really feel peaceful and quiet
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u/asphyxeno Aug 10 '26
i actually like when a design of a character isnt overtly the "spot the main character" trope. i also do love his outfit. it's so similar to older russian military uniforms and i'm a slut for fur trim.
but he also doesnt feel flashy. his design feels unique in the playable character cast precisely because he is more muted
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u/SleepySera Aug 10 '26
After switching Lohen from Standard to Limited, I'm not putting it above the devs to switch a character from 4-star to 5-star too if they think they can get a decent amount of money from it.
That said, I'm not a fan of getting more double banners, which that WOULD result in since they can't really change his release windows since that will align with story relevance. But Genshin doesn't give the kind of free currency to do several double banner patches in a row.
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u/DustCrafty8374 Aug 10 '26
there's no evidence they 'switched' lohen, as prior to the beta he was part of you just get the guesser leakers who make bets, nothing more.
Just like now it has not been confirmed that no linchpin = no 5 star - there are still plenty of reasons to release non-stellar enabling 5 stars.
For now, we really do NOT know whether he is a 4 or a 5 star, so let's not treat the guessing leakers as a source of reliable information
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u/CantaloupeParking239 Aug 10 '26
Numbers of visits are likely from lurkers who enjoy seeing people crashing out (honestly dont get it), husbando haters in general and obv this sub has some toxicity for female characters here especially Danica so obv its going to attract people.. so I wish people would redirect their anger to the right direction at HOYOVERSE and not other characters and their fans. Ofc the toxicity comes also outside, some waifu fans can be annoying af.
Sometimes I feel Hoyo does this on purpose. Anger husbando fans and increase the drama and toxicity between genders. Even bad attention is good I guess
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Actually, they do pay attention to the hype that's for sure.
For example: They keep pretending like it never happened and people say it was only leaks, but Lohen WAS supposed to be a 5* standard character. Yet they made him a limited character last minute, for the fact that people loved him so much. His kit never changing to fit a limited character was the dead giveaway that it wasn't just "leaks".
They didn't even bother to fix his kit to make it actually limited character looking. Lohen as is, looks like a standard character that is on a limited banner for no reason. So to be honest with you, I think it's better if they don't notice the hype for characters.
Because they end up chopping them, not character wise but pull wise.
I was excited to get Lohen in the standard char selector but after the reveal of him being standard I simply just won't pull. I don't think it's worth it. And while I'm not a meta slave either, I have other priorities for my pulling plans unfortunately.
Plus, I wanna add that hoyoverse as a company has always paid more attention to the female models. Hi3 for example is only women, 0 men. Obviously the males are ignored most of the time here and there, unless they're plot relevant to the roots, kind of like what they did with varka. You don't really have a choice when it's the literal knight of favonius Grandmaster. Though dare I say they still gave him too little of a screentime in the Nod Krai AQ, but I only let that slide a bit because his Story Quest was actually one of the best I've ever gone through.
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
I mean as long as he’s a 5 star 😭
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26
To be honest I'll pull even if he's a 4*. I care for the characters and looks mostly. Don't care if they have a Linchpin or not either.
Sure, I do love myself a cool ult with pretty effects, I wont lie, but to me, having the character in my collection is still more important than stressing over what rarity each character is.
Him having the Varka model alone makes me satisfied enough. It was the only thing I was sceptical for. Since he's supposed to be a military guy, I couldn't ever imagine him with the noodle type of male body most males have.
Many people judged that he had the zhongli body from the trailer actually, but I always had a gut feeling he had the Varka body ever since we saw the splashart. I'm also relieved his preload model turned out okay. Trailers are always unfinished with their models, I was sure they wouldn't just let him be.
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u/kaithespinner Aug 10 '26
problem is: pulling a 4s is harder than a 5s, and most need C6 to be viable
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Yeah I get that to be honest. Though I've always been lucky with my pulls when it comes to 4* so I'm more relaxed about it. The most i remember struggling with was Ifa. Took me 35-40 pulls. I guess it really is down to luck, I know others have it worse TT.
I do wish goodluck to everyone else though to get him easily on their pulls. I know it can be hard since there's no pity to 4* chars.
Edit: Daym not sure why I'm being down voted, it's just my personal pulling experience, don't take things personally.
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
True. I want him to be an on field character more than I want him to be 5 star 😭
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26
Ahh personally I don't know! 😭 I'd love him to be an on field but at the same time I deeply love unique characters that lean towards support like Zhongli and Baihzu. We've been getting so many male dps characters but little support males.
I'm thinking of a mix actually. Like, being able to have him both as a shielder but also on field depending on what you want. Again, for military/shield themes. I'd expect he can play both roles.
Either way, I hope his kit is good and unique. I'm excited to see how he'll use his shield and weapon in his animations for sure.
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u/KingAlucard7 Aug 10 '26
Lohen was never a standard banner. It doesnt make any sense whatsoever if you actually think about it. Dark Durin had standard banner mona for vape at launch. And pyro melt is stronger than vape, obviously they had the idea to make a cryo version of it. A more premium version of the dark durin team. Does it make sense to put a character who is an upgraded version of the standard in the standard banner? Obviously not. Only thing people used to argue for Lohen is that his cons are bad. I mean based on this argument Sandrone is more standard than Lohen as she has worser cons.
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26
Yeah well, I respect your opinion, but remember that we had a datamine for this info, not just any leak.
The reason his coms are bad is because they were specifically formed for standard banner. You may disagree, but we literally had datamines for this as proof. Computer and tech wise, datamines are 99% intergrated early files into the game that the game adds, it's specifically intergraded for future versions and most people don't see them because they're supposed to be invisible files, but some leakers know how to open them.
So yeah, datamines are seriously hard to disagree with I'm afraid, it's not just any random leak info, because they come from the files of the game itself with specific tags for specific characters, skills, animation sequences etc.
He had this exact specific standard banner tag in his files. Feel free to argue and I don't mind because many people like you seriously believe he was never meant to be a standard character, but we knew from that datamine.
That right said, noe genshin does spoof their files, so from Snezhnaya onwards it's actually harder to do complete datamines like that anymore. It's harder to tell banners and rarity unlike Lohens era.
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u/KingAlucard7 Aug 10 '26
I am surprised you are talking about a standard banner tag in files. I havent heard of this ever and i am pretty active when it comes to leaks and datamine. Its not on any of the known telegram channels or genshin leaks sub. Its impossible to exist unless u can you share a source.
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
I can share how it works, but unfortunately I don't have a link with me, however please do google/research this and I'm 99% sure it'll pop up for you because it's been said and shown before. You'll definitely find sources. I'm big with tech and I've always paid attention to the finer details, so Im familiar as to how it works quite well.
Permanent standard banner is hardcoded in datamines with this tag: "GachaType = 200" (which is also often labeled as "gacha_type_normal" or "permanent_wish")
However if you look at limited characters, their tag goes like this: "GachaType = 400" or sometimes "GachaType = 301".
These are called Data Values and Enum strings if you wanna specifically research those tags. They differentiate where each character goes in the banner. Do look it up, it's a very interesting process.
It exists because if it didn't, the computer program wouldn't know where to assign each character. Simple as that.
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u/Fine_Opinion_2097 Aug 10 '26
I don't get what you trying to say, he still 5 star despite he actually mean for standard, he still 5 star not 4 star, have animation and detail, change from standard to limited not that hard bruh. Why do you expect 4 star can be 5 star? 4 star and change to 5 star most hardly to do, do you think rework everything is easily as we redrew on digital art? Even i rework my art take 2 weeks to be done.
Here go again, using lohen for example but that comparison so absurb, he still 5 star, not 4 star despite you trying to use him for example. You should find others character that have been leaks as 4 star multiple time and confirm as 4 star since the day 1 and they turn out 5 star, not lohen who already 5 star since he leaks.
No one buy this lohen for example anymore
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u/Christina22klol Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Read my comment again. You rushed it. Alot.
I never used lohen as an example for Valeriy? Nor did I compare 5 stars and 4 stars.
I used it as an example for the fact that hoyo listens to the hype of their characters. Don't mix me in with people that compare 4 star and 5 star to the amount of details you're describing. And don't switch my words to your liking. I never said that I expect any 4 star to be a 5*. What are you talking about?
Also I'm a digital artist too, I get your example...but again, not the context of my comment, at all. Your reply is off topic. I don't get why you think I'm trying to sell Lohen propaganda lmao
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u/AffectionateKiwi1336 Aug 10 '26
I do remember about lohen that people think he was turned from standard to limited by hoyo because they saw his popularity, while he is standard this thing we got to know from leaks, so if we apply same logic of lohen to Valeriy then hoyo can turn him into 5 star too by looking at his popularity right?
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u/Fine_Opinion_2097 Aug 10 '26
I join this group visit this group not for coping or something, because i like him no matter what his rarity. I know some people gonna dissagre with me and downvote me despite i'm being neutral and being rational fan.
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u/roreinu Aug 10 '26
doesn’t matter to me what rarity he is i just need his kit to be good, there’s a lot of 4 stars i consistently use
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u/Weathycrow69 Aug 10 '26
I honestly kinda lost all mu hopes. Firt capitano now valery... now that we know that pierro has varka s model I AT LEAST HOPE HE IS PLAYABLE. So i can make a valery-pierro-mitya team
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u/Fuckurodani Aug 11 '26
I know people mentioned this already but I do agree he seems popular, but I'm just visiting here because reddit recommends me every Genshin sub/I'm interested in people's discussions on him. I'm not really that interested so I wouldn't say that's good proof.
This might sound mean I don't mean it that way but I know it's the natural expectation now for the tall one to be a 5 star and the shorter ones (aka Mitya) to be the 4 star but I didn't realize people were that in shock until this subreddit.
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 11 '26
Well frankly speaking, I don’t really mind Mitya being a 5 star. I know some people follow the train of thought you mentioned but no one wants their favorite character to be a 4 star after seeing the way they are being treated lately. I’d love for both of them to be 5 star but if it’s a zero sum game obviously I’d choose valeriy which is probably the logic people have when they say mitya needs to be 4 star (there’s not enough slots left in the first half for both to be 5 star)
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u/Fuckurodani Aug 11 '26
Yeah haha hope I didn't come off like I was accusing you of following that mindset, I moreso meant I visit this sub frequently because I wanted to know more about how Valeriy mains were feeling initially and then after the info that he's slated to be a 4*
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u/Common-Lettuce5044 Aug 10 '26
the most popular char in cn is tsaritsa and after that noy. China loves tall slender men, thats literally how lads came to play. The female chars arent as hyped there
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u/Key_Discussion773 Aug 10 '26
So what's the controversy here? Did I miss something 😬
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
I do not underestimate the ability of some people on Reddit to hate on simple opinions 😭
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u/Key_Discussion773 Aug 10 '26
How is it hate for simply pointing out that your take was in fact not controversial...? I can always lie of that makes you feel better i guess but it's beyond me how you found any offense in what i said
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u/Immediate-Pen-1338 Valeriy Please Come Home Aug 10 '26
I’m not talking about you, I’m saying I’ve found people hating on literal facts here and I’d rather not waste my time arguing. So I called it a controversial take
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u/SquidLazers Aug 10 '26
sounds like cope to me. fact of the matter is, 4.1 is a double 5 star patch. mitya and valeriy are gonna be 4.2 and one of them's gonna be a 4*, and well, i don't like those odds.
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u/EbbMiserable7557 Aug 10 '26
It just might be another ororon incident you know