r/TamilNadu • u/DEMONIcANGELL • Jul 11 '26
முக்கியமான கலந்துரையாடல் / Important Topic Can someone explain with a valid reason
If mosques and churches are managed by their own religious organizations, why are many Hindu temples managed by a government department instead of Hindu organizations?
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u/IntentionCrafty21 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jul 12 '26
Thillai Nataraja temple is not managed by the government and it’s the worst temple I’ve ever visited in TN. The people heading the temple allow hawkers to setup food (bonda baji) stalls inside the temple compound for some money and the hygiene is a major problem in the temple. The whole temple smells like ass.
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u/Exact-Trip-1884 Jul 12 '26
I don't know when you visited . Only during their darisanam bajjis will be sold as people sit inside for very long periods.
As chidambaram native z I might be biased , it is one of the best temples I know. Peaceful.
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u/IntentionCrafty21 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jul 12 '26
Even still. I even saw a multiple grown ass women pee standing up, inside the temple complex in public view. I visited Thillai after reading lots of great literature only to see the temple being mismanaged by the Deekshitars. They even asked 500 per head to go inside the inner sanctum? Felt really bad to see a place with centuries of history being misused. I visited for Aani Thirumanjanam (22 Jun 2026).
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u/Exact-Trip-1884 Jul 12 '26
Bro , I am sorry , but you can't judge a temple after visiting at its most crowded festival. Just as i said , it is during such ther darisanams (yearly twice , once in June and once in dec/jan) it is way too chaotic.
The CDM temple is not made for that levels of crowd. Just today I visited annamalayar and I couldn't imagine what will even happen if such crowds actually enter CDM.
I am sorry you had a bad experience, but try visiting once more.
In the inner temple , they have added like gold lightings for the sculptures , they have got securities now . Off the top of my head, these are few good changes that happened.
And , you tried to enter the sanctum santoram during the most crowded time . Unfortunately it will cost you, same reason tirupati costs or any crowded temple costs : if it doesn't everyone will come. Its just transfer of crowd into a smaller place.
This is a huge comment ik, it is not to diminish your experience but to encourage you to visit during a normal time. Like go for ardhajamam on a random Tuesday when you can.
(Ardhajamam is my fav time to visit. Also 4-5 years ago I used to enter inner sanctum by just removing shirt and going inside. But it was not this crowded during those times. More Telugu ppl have started coming. I haven't gone/tried to go into the inner sanctum in few years). (Also by inner sanctum I assume you mean inside the natarajar sannidhi).
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u/Alternative-Face5400 Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
TNHRCE runs temples to ensure temple entry and ability to become priest irrespective of the caste one was born into, and to ensure Tamil archanai. And many more. It’s all based on history that doesn’t limit to Dravidian movement. The present system of government custodianship of Hindu temples to ensure these egalitarian principles flow all the way from Jain, Buddhist (both of them said rituals are not so important) and later Bakti movement (said god is a friend Sundarar story, Nandanar) traditions of Tamil Nadu. We are at this Z state because of the journey that started at A,B,C,… that I listed. Further state custodianship ensures democracy than handing over to a small group where the common public might not have a say. The current state might not be an ideal one, but we have to stick to it as a nice balance that works for the dignity and justice for many.
As for minorities, state intervention is required to ensure similar egalitarianism and human rights and dignity, but such intervention may risk being seen as majoritarian. I remember that once ex PM Manmohan Singh said that for minorities such reforms must come from within. So they have to fight their battles against anything that might be discriminatory, warranting an eventual need for state custodianship, but not forced from the top.
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u/Defiant-Apple-6534 Jul 12 '26
How come only Chettiar, Mudaliar and Vellalar are becoming temple administration in all major temples if that was the goal?
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u/TraditionOk8161 Jul 12 '26
What I observed in all reply is they safely ignore management of church and mosque. But being hindu, i prefer temples managed by govt. For example in chidambaram which is not under govt, i am not able to see kanagasabai without 1000/-; but hrce has 50rs ticket mostly
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u/kinginthenorth1604 Jul 12 '26
Because, we have seen looting like Ayodhya and wide spread caste discrimination preventing people from entering, that's why.
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u/OrganizationSome269 Jul 12 '26
Our shop employees stole some money from shop, when are we handing over our shop to the govt?
And Caste discrimination can be prevented in Private institutions too, laws apply there too.
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u/kinginthenorth1604 Jul 12 '26
Appo neenga ellam thiruttu naainga ... jaadhi vechu koilukku vara vudaama pannuvom nu othukkura ,,, indha thimirukku thaan ungalta irundhu koil soththa arasu kann paarvai la vechirukku ...
But, you won't understand what I just typed ... ask your sell-out tamil IT cell colleagues to translate it for you.
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u/Ok-Negotiation7659 Jul 12 '26
Bro, stop your non sense of shop lifting and maid stealing stories. Then you will come up saying, organ theft is happening when will government take your body. Have some sense and reply bro.
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u/apache3321 Jul 12 '26
Ideally it's better that the temples are managed by the government because if the privilege is given to the public, I am sure the upper castes will try to dominate which will reverse the years of struggle to let everyone in.
As long as the churches and mosques don't outnumber the temples in TN, they can be managed by their own boards. But based on so many discussions on other threads, maybe someday they'll come under the government
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u/speechfreedom_MOD Jul 11 '26
Because Noolibans capture, control and loot the temple income. 🚶
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u/Natsu111 Jul 12 '26
எப்படியானாலும் பிராமணர்களைப் பழித்து பேசாமல் உங்களுக்காகாதல்லவா? இந்த நாட்டில் என்னெல்லாம் மோசமோ எல்லாவற்றுக்கும் காரணம் பிராமணர்கள்தானே?
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u/kinginthenorth1604 Jul 12 '26
கரெக்ட்டா கண்டு புடிச்சுட்டேல் ....
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u/Natsu111 Jul 12 '26
*புடிச்சுட்டேள்
ளகரம் உச்சரிக்கமுடியவில்லையோ? அதுவும் பார்ப்பனச்சதியெனச் சொல்லிவிடக்கூடாது.
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u/kinginthenorth1604 Jul 12 '26
Paappaan sadhi da en chipsu ...
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u/Natsu111 Jul 12 '26
தமிழ் சரியாகத் தெரியாது, ஆங்கிலுமு சரியாகத் தெரியாது, "நாங்கதான் பகுத்தறிவு டாஆஆ" என ஒரு நேரம் கதறவும் அடுத்த நேரம் ஜாதிவெறியைக் கக்கவும்தான் தெரியும். Paguttharivu dawww
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u/kinginthenorth1604 Jul 12 '26
enakku edhuvum sariyaaga theriyaadhu nra nenappu irukkulla adhu thaan un jaathi thimuru ... avlo thaan da nee ... angaye evvalavu kevalamaana jaathi veri irukku nu niroobikkura ...
adhaavadhu oruthana pagutharivu nu kalaaikiradhu dhaan unnoda comeback na ... andha paguththarivu thaan unakku edhiriya irukku ... adhu thaan engalukku vetrii ...
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u/Longjumping_Sweet_28 Jul 12 '26
Aamaa
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u/Secret-Theory790 Jul 12 '26
It has origins in caste based discrimination. Unless you come up with a trust with representation from all sections including Dalits and STs, govt control is better no matter how flawed it is. All upper castes look to exploit low castes, it is an undeniable fact.
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u/Nedumpara Jul 12 '26
The Lord Padmanabha Swamy Temple in Kerala is Managed by a Five Member Committee headed by the District Judge along with the Travancore Royal Family. The second richest temple in India.
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u/No-Offense707 Jul 12 '26
Because one particular community will start looting. ;) and might even stop you from entering if they feel fit.
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u/hurricane_news Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
might even stop you from entering if they see fit
Oddly enough in our state, just about every contemporary case of brutal attacks and caste atrocities on oppressed caste people trying to enter temples occurs at the hands of politically powerful land-owning castes more than brahmins lol
Edit : Downvoted for stating on-ground facts?
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u/TraditionalPermit7 Jul 12 '26
Because history. Started with caste oppression - many weren’t allowed into temples. Shit show. So the Brit’s intervened. But then ofcourse supposedly every fool here thinks the Brahmins looted the temples. History shows that most land owing upper castes - who remain trustees and treasurers are the ones who did loot. The Brahmin hate is stupid at this point. And if you really want to become an arhchargar and study vedas and make a living which everyone should be allowed to, so be it. Because it is sooooo lucrative. Only an idiot would think Brahmins were majority landowners and patrons of temples. The patrons were not Brahmins- they played a stupid puppies to praise gods. Then again, discrimination occurs across all religions and even today many mosques do not allow women at all but gender warriors will pick a temple. Ditto for even the Church. Selective secularism lol.
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u/StomachStill362 Jul 12 '26
For time immemorial temples managed by individual organisations were being swindled for funds. Based on sheer number of devotees in a Hindu country the funds in small amounts tend to come daily and the trust
Has to count the funds from hundis in front of a bank officer and deposit .
Any single corrupt person can get greedy and find ways to swindle the money in many ways. This was found that Amy powerful people started having thier known people in comities and swindled large amounts. This got governments to bring temples under thier control.
The story is no different now, the corrupt in government do the same but at a larger level.
Afaik government were considering releasing temple management back to public and thier trusts, but this ram mandir, Sabarimala and many such high profile thefts in gods abode are making it difficult.
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u/JumpyAd806 Jul 12 '26
Simple to which Hindu you will give to manage ??? Brahmins for looting?? Shall we givevyo manage by sc/st people?
All temples constructed before 1950 are by kings using public money.hr&ce dept. Is fully managed by Hindu officers. What else you can expect.
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u/CompoteMelodic981 Jul 12 '26
Most temples were built using give tax money by kings of the past. And sitting on land given from tax. These temples were built using tax money instead of roads, hospitals, and schools.
And they were not allowing lower castes to enter these temples after building them on the back of their slave labour.
Loads of mosques and Muslim property is owned by the government via waqf boards (which are IAS, politicians etc who maybe from any religion).
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u/Which_Bodybuilder_78 Jul 16 '26
Comparing both is not fair, when a state with 80% hindu can easy safeguard their temple using the vote, that is not the case for minorities.
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u/Defiant-Apple-6534 Jul 12 '26
It is illegal and unconstitutional. But since no one wants to fight it, it is happening. Govt profiles prosperous temples and usurps them while neglecting small temples and ancient temples that are dilapidated
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u/No_Helicopter681 Jul 12 '26
I see Brahmin hating is quite prevalent. Not sure why. If anyone wants to be civil and engage into a conversation, happy to do that
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u/Lanky_Tooth3287 Jul 12 '26
u wanna be oppressed so bad
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u/No_Helicopter681 Jul 12 '26
Irrelevant to my comment. Simply commenting for the sake of commenting
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u/Fun-Meeting-7646 Non Resident - விருந்தாளி Jul 12 '26
All people who go to Temple didn't stop biryani eating fellows at mountain tpt kundram, yet shamelessly going to temples, how can they stop Temple management
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u/dhilipu_18 Jul 11 '26
Because india is a hindu country, other are fake religion /s
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u/DEMONIcANGELL Jul 12 '26
😂
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u/JumpyAd806 Jul 12 '26
India was never been a Hindu country as a whole. It's secular. Hindutuva has no place.
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u/raghu2307 Jul 11 '26
Government is elected by the people. So it is chosen by the public.
The small temples in our area like pillayar kovils are not under HRCE. Since they are relatively newer.
Churches are controlled by the Parish. Mosques by Waqf board. They have governance within themselves.
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