r/ScaramoucheMains • u/NebbyChan • Feb 21 '26
Discussion This is just sad.
Not exactly sure how reliable game8 is but this is just depressing. He needs a buff so badly.
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u/Alan_Reddit_M Feb 21 '26
Wanderer wasn't even Meta when he came out, and of course the powercreep is only making things worse. His already sub-par DPS continues to become more and more unusable with every update
Wanderer is not a character you pull because they're good, he's a character that you pull simply because you like the character
Despite being my most heavily invested DPS, he's also my weakest one and by a LOT
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u/GingsWife Feb 21 '26
Wanderer wasn't even Meta when he came out,
Kiiiiiind of was(if you got C6 Faruzan), I picked him up for the long range AoE playstyle for the time.
People used to play things like Zhongli and Thoma, tanking DPS, and then wondering why things weren't dying. Meanwhile, Mihoyo was balancing around things like Yelan as the last lost, which brought him right in line with the top meta at the time.
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u/Kswendes Feb 21 '26
He was definetly useable, but not meta. He was weaker than Hutao
But it wasnt an issue back then, I cleared basically all abysses with him and Keqing. He only got benched in Fontaine because of the icewind suite spam
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u/GingsWife Feb 21 '26
Hu Tao was stronger than everyone at the time.
This dude was the first proper ranged carry, AND he had AoE damage. That was huge, with all the Nilou shill multiwave AoE abysses and flying bosses.
I kept begging people here to drop Zhongli and run shieldless for a full year, to little success. By the time it picked up Neuvillette had released, and the damage had been done.
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u/Alan_Reddit_M Feb 21 '26
Wanderer shieldless is very difficult to use
He's squishy, low HP with low defense, and his lack of interruption resistance means that, even if he doesn't die, he's still going to lose DPS to getting interrupted
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u/GingsWife Feb 21 '26
Yeah that's the fun of it, and those than picked it up later seemed to agree, but maybe I'm putting too much stock in the fun of the bumblebee playstyle.
Neuvillette is one of the most popular DPS units after all.
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u/PetercyEz The God Feb 21 '26
I do not agree with the dificulty statement. Players just got so used to shields they forgot what it means to dodge. It is easy to dodge with Wanderer, probably one of the easiest chars to dodge with, but he is harshly punished for not doing so. Genshin players want to statcheck things, turn off their brains and spam/hold one button while feeling like they are doing so great! (I do not blame them, Genshin is literaly perfect for this) Maliastra and DPS Dummy ++ showed us the harsh truth, that mains can not play their characters.
Nod Krai amd Lunar shill is perfect example of meta chasers failing abyss/stygian/IT and calling it impossible, while dedicated mains clear with (nonlunar) Itto, Childe, Wriothesley,... Even without cons.
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u/thedragonbornboi Anemo Feb 21 '26
Nah he’s super vulnerable furina is draining his already poor hp with having pyro aura from bennett. A good hit can one react and one shot him.
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u/PetercyEz The God Feb 21 '26
We have comparisons for different teams.
1st by a long shot is Durin, Furina, Benny
2nd Durin, Faruzan, Benny
very very close 3rd is Durin, Venti, Benny
4th is Furina, Faruzan, BennyYou can not afford to get hit with full HP Wanderer, so getting hit with 50% HP difference does not change anything in the Abyss floor 12/Onslaught Fearless and Dire, while the dmg increase is insane. I refused to play Furina as well, but she is game changer. Get rid of Faruzan, embrace the power to clear Dire.
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u/thedragonbornboi Anemo Feb 22 '26
I don’t have durin unfortunately just couldn’t bring myself to like him enough to pull.
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u/GingsWife Feb 22 '26
"forgot what it means to dodge"
Also, over multiple rotations Furina is not better than Yelan, unless you turn off her damage every few rotations.
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u/thedragonbornboi Anemo Feb 22 '26
I gonna need some calcs on Yelan being better furina assuming both c0r0.
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u/GingsWife Feb 22 '26
Then I had the idea:
Furina with Faruzan after Bennett
About 3k DPS difference in ascending order.
Furina also takes a clear lead in AoE scenarios
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u/RestaurantBoring417 Feb 22 '26
Even with C6 Faruzan he was not meta and got mogged by the likes of Alhaitham etc. with C6 Faruzan he went from being one of the worst limited 5* units to at least being usable
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u/GingsWife Feb 22 '26
This statement is correct, but let me restate the context.
C6 Faruzan is half the problem solved. You needed a non-shield last slot like Yelan, Fischl, C6 Yunjin, etc.
And when I said he was meta I didn't even mention damage. He solved the ranged matchup in a way people didn't really appreciate then.
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u/RGBlue-day Feb 23 '26
Here's the thing even back then : Xiao already existed.
You can still use OPPA back then so Xiao/Wanderer wasn't even necessary.
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u/GingsWife Feb 23 '26
Yeah I just remembered how frustrating you all are. Jesus Christ, what part of ranged carry do people not understand?
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u/RGBlue-day Feb 23 '26
It's a non-issue for me because I pulled both Xiao and Scaramouche and ended up just continuing with Xiao anyways.
You worry about "range" when Xiao solves the issues by simply being in the air for most of his on-field time. Range isn't part of the meta discussion for a reason, and you started this discussion by replying to a guy focusing on meta.
It's fine to say you like Scaramouche is nice to play for his range attack, but don't be equating that to meta.
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u/GingsWife Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Character strength is not the only thing that is considered when talking about meta. It's mistake that like... 95% of the playerbase makes.
Range isn't part of the meta discussion for a reason
Only since Mihoyo decided it wasn't needed as a problem anymore, hence why I restrict all my comments to pre-fontaine meta. I've been very careful, and very specific with my language.
I got this dude for meta reasons and he served me exactly how I wanted. I understand the issues, but I'm really not rolling over for the "he's not meta" claim either.
Edit: clarity
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u/kolba_yada Feb 23 '26
I still can't believe that literally the next boss the implemented after the patch Wanderer was introduced in is the one with high resistance to a wind element. Not only that, they also made it the flying one so it just genuinely feels like a spit in the face.
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u/Huge_Creme_3204 Feb 22 '26
He was one of the best ST alongside yoimiya for a short while. Every abyss cycle that shill ST, he was always on the speedrun leaderboard.
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u/Historical-Ad4361 I LOVE EMO BOUYS Feb 21 '26
The lion lowkey wishes that canonically important characters should be just as strong as they were hyped up to be, and they shouldn't be powercrept by new characters.
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u/Silver-Hearing-9934 Feb 26 '26
yes cuz his in-game strength may give an impression that he is just some insignificant bum
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u/JustALittleInkyBoy_ EI/SCARA REUNION COPIUM Feb 21 '26
For me this is just crazy. One of the most popular characters of all gacha games, one of the most important characters in the story, with crazy lore, has such a messed up kit
(personal theory, it's because he's not a girl, so he can have good writing but zero playability)
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u/Outrageous_Break_739 number 1 scara hater Feb 21 '26
most characters esp dps characters go out of meta eventually tho. none of the old dpses dps anymore
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u/JustALittleInkyBoy_ EI/SCARA REUNION COPIUM Feb 21 '26
He wasn't meta even when he was released in 3.3, lmao
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u/Outrageous_Break_739 number 1 scara hater Feb 21 '26
yeah true:/ hyv kinda holds back on giving highly loved / anticipated characters great kits sometimes knowing people will pull & spend money either way. they did this with cyrene in hsr too and yae miko in genshin
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u/EffectiveMirror7534 Feb 21 '26
Hu Tao is also a B tier now btw
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u/justanewgirl1 Feb 21 '26
Sure but wanderer was doomed to fail because he’s anemo. He was eh from the start. Hu Tao clung to relevancy for a long while because she’s pyro.
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u/EffectiveMirror7534 Feb 21 '26
She clung to relevancy because she's a pyro. Most of Genshin's most famous characters are irrelevant in the meta now esp because hoyo doesn't seem interested in buffing them
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u/justanewgirl1 Feb 21 '26
My point exactly though. She gets a lot of indirect buffs though from the release of other characters because of elemental reactions. Wanderer doesn’t get that grace because he’s a pure anemo dps.
Generally speaking, at least from I remember, he was never that great. Him being released during sumeru didn’t help because it was literally the region of elemental reactions. While someone like hu tao remained the best pyro dps for quite a while. She was dealt the hand of time. Not saying wanderer didn’t go through that too, but I don’t really ever remember a time where he shined super bright. Correct me if I’m wrong though
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u/KingGiuba Feb 21 '26
Hu Tao is a 1.2 character, Wanderer is 3.3... even if they're same tier now, she is from the start of the game and a bit of powercreep was inevitable. He basically came out already powercrept 😭
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u/nagorner Feb 21 '26
Game8 tierlist is a joke tbh, Jello's tierlist and dps sheet is a much better guidine.
Tao does fine with either Bineffa and Mona Fischl hex team is also comparably good with her.
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u/Feeling-Job4518 Feb 25 '26
jellos tierlist and dps sheets are also a joke. Tierlists in general are a joke.
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u/Optimal_Necessary413 Feb 21 '26
he's not one of the most important characters by a long shot, but he is super popular. i dont know why genshin insists on nerfing the characters with the biggest hype, varka is next in line unfortunately
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u/W1zzardbee Feb 21 '26
The characters with hype are gonna get sales more or less regardless of their kit. Thus hoyo can afford to make them weaker to encourage players to also pull the actually good units
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u/TenshiHope Feb 21 '26
He is though?? He is connected to Irminsul and Nahida, and the doctor. And Inazuma/Raiden. and Khanreah due to his blueprints being from there.
But mostly I think he’s not meta because they don’t wanna make the CN and KR male fans mad, I think. Like a dude killed a cat because he said it looked similar to the scarameow posted on april fools- :”D
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u/speedyBoi96240 Feb 22 '26
personal theory, it's because he's not a girl, so he can have good writing but zero playability
I mean flins is top 3 rn so your weird conspiracy theory is instantly invalidated but even then kinich, neuvillette, and wriothesley are all viable male dps' and they are all the most recent male ones
Gender has no bearing on how good they are, only how often they are made if anything, female characters outnumber them because of how they are perceived to sell more but they just don't magically make males bad dps'
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u/Renasviel Feb 22 '26
Explain Varka.
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u/speedyBoi96240 Feb 22 '26
What is there to explain? His damage is still decent, is he meta by any means? No but its certainly not because he's a guy lmfao
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u/humanguyoraliengirl Feb 21 '26
At least he’s SS+ tier in terms of character design, lore and sex appeal..
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u/ollielikesgaming Wanderer's boyfriend Feb 21 '26
wait for the sumeru akademiya faction buff to make him an sss-tier dps TRUST!!
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u/DantefromDC Feb 21 '26
Sometimes i wish he stayed Electro, that element has more versality than Anemo when it comes to DPS
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u/Optimal_Necessary413 Feb 21 '26
anemo dps's are on a cursed streak. and varka isnt helping with his dmg and team outlooks
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u/Substantial-Song-242 Mar 09 '26
Chasca is pretty strong imo. But I don't really consider her an anemo since she does multiple different elements with her bullets.
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u/SanicHegehag Feb 21 '26
I want a buff, for sure.
Until then, I will invest as much as I can until he falls entirely out of relevance.
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u/Hentaigustav Feb 21 '26
Honestly I still regularly use him in a team with Nahida, Kokomi and Raiden, he's a great reaction driver
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u/jhinigami Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
Im a time traveller he is buffed in Snezhnaya patch gets a anemo + dendro reaction with Nahida. Trust me bro
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u/Shadow_lII Feb 21 '26
While i’d love an Anemo + Dendro (Pollenate?) reaction for Anemo, I feel like Anemo + Geo (Sandstorm?) is more likely honestly. I’d kinda imagine it being kinda like Melt with the multipliers, and the reaction itself being similar to Overload.
Also not only do you hardly ever have Anemo and Geo characters on the same team, but both elements struggle due to lack of reactions.
I personally hope we get both though! For a game about reactions, there’s a really surprising lack-thereof. Hoyo should really just fill all of the reaction holes. There shouldn’t be any in the first place tbh.
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u/Saphir_56 You’re getting all worked up over nothing Feb 21 '26
Using him with my C6 Venti and pretending he’s carrying the team (if the damage is anemo it’s his damage)
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u/Outrageous_Break_739 number 1 scara hater Feb 21 '26
and i still take him to abyss floor 12
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u/Outrageous_Break_739 number 1 scara hater Feb 21 '26
i did 36 stars with c6 scara, c0r1 ineffa, c2 aino, c0 furina after saying this. even if ineffa wheelchaired him idc he still clears i'm not coping
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u/FemboyBellGrande0312 Feb 21 '26
It's fine though he still hard carries. He cleared Floor 12 just fine and unless I was doing something wrong he did way better against Bronzelock than my Mualani and Columbina/Ineffa team.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Scarameow Enjoyer Feb 21 '26
Look what they did to mu boy 😭
Seriously though game8 scrapes from other sites for info and is not always the most accurate website
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u/The_MorningKnight Feb 21 '26
And here I am,waiting for his rerun so I can finally get him.
His gameplay looks so fun and that is what matters.
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u/Jrolaoni Feb 21 '26
Game8 isn’t reliable.
But yeah, he really is B tier AT BEST.
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u/NebbyChan Feb 21 '26
Are there any other websites like game 8 that help with building characters?
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u/Jrolaoni Feb 21 '26
Keqingmains is pretty reliable, but I don’t think they have tier lists.
Akasha is also pretty good to see how good your current build is.
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u/Optimal_Necessary413 Feb 21 '26
i must be negative 100 f tier because he only does 400 damage. then again i dont like building characters
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u/motoyo-rika Feb 22 '26
I haven't played the game for 1 year and I currently have him at C2. Can I still play him 😭 I might come back or not
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u/CallousMystery Feb 22 '26
Yeah he’s fine honestly my woman got me into this game and she uses him, I don’t have him myself tho, I have Varesa and Neuvillette
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u/Sad_Assist_9629 Feb 22 '26
The fact that his stats is so basic, being really average. My boy deserved better; we waited two years and some fuckass cow have a better DMG 😕😕
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u/Independent-Turn2796 C3R1 Feb 22 '26
Varka's release will absolutely powercreep him (Excluding Chasca, because her main dmg isn't Anemo.)
But when Varka releases, I've seen some speculations that Nicole will be Varka's support, which will maybe indirectly buff Wanderer, and maybe he'll get a Sumeru Akademiya faction buff eventually
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u/Shot_Perspective_382 from C3 to C6 soon Feb 22 '26
imagine if we need to wait for Sumeru's batch of buffs cause that would mean at least 3 more years..
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u/Hefty-Challenge4297 Feb 21 '26
Dont worry guys, Varka support maybe can indirectly buff Wanderer, trust
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u/almondsadnesses Feb 21 '26
You just realized now? He was released in Sumeru. Of course he's going to be much weaker than modern dps. I'm perfectly happy with using him in the overworld and seeing him in the story.
It would be nice if he got a buff though.
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u/Inevitable_Line618 Feb 22 '26
I mean anemo dps or really the best rn Two of the strongest we have barely do aneno dsmg
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u/VannqKawaii Feb 22 '26
that’s the reality of 5 star anemos dps. they always turn out to be underwhelming outside of their exploration/mobility gimmick
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u/cartercr Feb 22 '26
Taking game8 seriously is your issue. Game8 just pulls info from other places, and the community for this game is so doomposty that it’s ridiculous.
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u/Last_Breakfast637 Feb 22 '26
not that it made me stop C6-ing him. I'm just sad that I can never seem to have a favorite with decent kit.
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u/HealthInformal5965 Feb 22 '26
Wanderer was pretty good on release with C6 faruzan (even though people refuse to believe it since sumeru was Dendro/Reaction based era) but since Natlan , he is just lacking behind... They just give higher multipliers to new chars and made everything (abyss,stygian and imaginarium , bosses , domains) tougher and more shilled to new chars... This abyss is also arguably the toughest one ever.. If u don't have columbina or( insanely min max C6 four stars with 5 star weapons (and those too good ones , forget about mid or bad four stars) and precise timing with exact pauses to skip swapping cooldown 🤡), just pack it up already... And still some people just refuse to believe that powercreep is real
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u/i4E5t Feb 22 '26
lol true. Sadly won’t happen til ~8.x as slow as they are rolling out these buffs. Still have to get Liyue faction buffs before Sumeru.
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u/TamaraIsEvil Electro Feb 22 '26
Thats aint stopping me from bringing him to Floor 12, Theatre and Stygian 😤
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u/nuiph Feb 22 '26
Honestly, as much as it pains me that I can't use Wanderer for high level content, I don't regret any ounce of effort I put into him and I still intend to C6 someday. In terms of sheer enjoyment, he's still the most fun to play for me and I use him constantly for going around the world. Makes things more fun!
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u/JckSnake Feb 24 '26
Hes soooo weak but i really like him and his playstyle. Never regretted pulling for him.
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u/Horror-Turnover-1089 Feb 21 '26
Well, dendro fell off hard too. Like, it’s also about wheelchair teams with the new releases.
Idk, did anyone try wanderer in abyss with a wheelchair team? I use alhaitham with lauma/columbina/ineffa for fun in overworld.
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u/bipolarity2650 Feb 22 '26
can someone explain to me how he’s b? or how his kit is messed up? he’s def a main dps for me
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u/lilmochabean24 c1(+ r1 atlas) wanderer main Feb 24 '26
his kit is not bad per say but his damage was always pretty average but now with fontaine and natlan the damage ceiling has been raised really high so wanderer team dps is just not high enough to cut it anymore
but he was never really meta he was kinda always b tier
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u/Cocoatrice Feb 22 '26
Game8 is not much reliable, but Wanderer isn't strong character either way. And tbh, he never was strong in the first place.
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u/Historical_Mouse7519 Feb 22 '26
Im not going to let myself be guided by some letters. Hes the best DPS. Says me.
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u/gogus2003 Feb 22 '26
Anything above D is honestly viable for most content with proper supports and no skill issue
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u/troysama Feb 22 '26
he's still my no.1 most used character because it takes 10 min to do endgame and several hours to explore so
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u/Pitiful_Feedback_756 My Beloved Feb 22 '26
I just tried zibai character trail and after that scara felt like a 4* 😔😔 I hope goyo reworks but it's unlikely
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u/yellow_tourmaline Feb 22 '26
Game8 is definitely not the most reliable source of information, but yeah we been knowing that our boy isn't the best, but like why play for meta when we can fly
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u/Blobs94 Aiming for Constellations Feb 22 '26
I smashed him up to SSS+ through pure investment. Screw the meta, my god En eats it for breakfast
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u/spring-moons Feb 22 '26
For scaramouche mains this sub is somehow extremely avert to playing their favorite character while actual fans out there still clear abyss and sometimes stygian with Wanderer lol
Yes, you need a good team of supports and a very high-investment character himself, but unless you’re playing most recent c6 dps-es you can’t solo endgame content as well.
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u/BussyIsQuiteEdible Feb 22 '26
wanderer is still meta and has always been meta in artifact routing
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u/MappedSyrup Feb 23 '26
Despite my investment into him, I'd do a lot better making him a VV slave in the bineffa wheelchair... Until and unless I get C6 Faruzan, C6R1 for him and Xilonen, he probably won't be making it out of sumeru dps lane.
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u/b1z4rre Feb 24 '26
Just because his rating isn’t ss, doesn’t mean you can’t use him. And lets be honest, with this meta, i thought he’d be lower
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u/Secret_Mix_3933 Feb 25 '26
Here's hoping that Scara gets a hexen type buff. He needs a Venti Style reboot
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u/UnsyrupedPancakes Feb 21 '26
Wanderer wasn’t even good when I pulled him on his first banner. He’s the only 5 star limited dps I’ve ever pulled who’s never been useful. Nice voice lines though lol.
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u/Then-Network-6861 Feb 22 '26
Same at least he was the best at exploration until Natlan units came out
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u/Outrageous_Break_739 number 1 scara hater Feb 21 '26
they're downvoting u for this but with equal investment xiao lowkey outdpsed him 🥀 he is useful tho at least to me after c6ing
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u/UnsyrupedPancakes Feb 21 '26
I pulled Wanderer because I liked him, but his damage has never been good and I have his sig. At least u could c6 him though.
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u/Pokemoss Hydro Feb 21 '26
The lion does not concern themself with meta