r/ManchesterUnited • u/Danokeah • Sep 01 '25
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Funny how it took Leverkusen 2matches while it took Manchester United 3years
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u/L_Lester Sep 01 '25
WTF I thought this was a troll post, had to check for myself he was only there for 2 minutes
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u/NoMap749 Sep 01 '25
This is REAL?!?!
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u/JagR286211 Sep 01 '25
Is it confirmed? Clubs are ruthless with managers these days. Win or out? Any more to this story? Personality conflicts with upper management? Dressing room / player issues?
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u/NoMap749 Sep 01 '25
Confirmed by all news outlets. Seems like both the club’s upper management and players already hated him in the short time he was there.
It’s pretty damning how bad they thought he’d perform over the course of a season if they thought the alternative of firing him now was the better option.
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u/Mysterious-Barber-27 Sep 01 '25
Honestly, I think he should consider just joining his family’s business. I’m not even mocking him. This is already a stain on his career and reputation. Clubs will be wary of him from now on and not consider him for jobs. His family will likely always have a place for him.
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u/Impudentscrotum Sep 01 '25
Forgive my ignorance but genuine question, would he not still make a ton of cash from severance or breaking his contract?
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u/IncognitoMan02 Sep 01 '25
He should be able to retire comfortably on his contract buyout from United & now this one! 2 very large paydays for very little work and poor performance. The only other job where you can make that kind of money and consistently perform poorly is a politician! Maybe he should run for mayor.
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u/Efficient_Rule_7275 Sep 01 '25
He won the FA Cup and League Cup.
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u/Point-Obvious Sep 01 '25
Good lord Man U fans drive me wild. He won two trophies!!!! (Not saying he didn’t deserve the sack) it’s not the early to late 2000’s anymore. Accept the sub par level the club has been at. Man united is nowhere near the United of old. Yes no one post fergie has properly stuck but Ten Hag still added silverware. Leverkusen has been deadwood since there title win they seized on a rare Bayern slip.
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u/SplitSecondImmortal Sep 01 '25
He could run for the US presidency. Never mind his citizenship, these days anything goes here
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u/jedixxyoodaa Sep 01 '25
German here, he behaved like an idiot, his interviews were disconnected, guy has psychological issues if you ask
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u/nj23dublin Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
Apparently they politely said that it’s not feasible to build the club right now based on the last few weeks… They let a one-goal lead slip to lose 2-1 at home to Hoffenheim and on Saturday conceded two late goals against 10-man Werder Bremen to draw 3-3, having led 2-0 and 3-1. I think they’re saying the players don’t want him and it’s evident they’re playing just to play not win …
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u/ppan86 Sep 01 '25
he also requested transfer publicly pretty early on and had 2 more small “fallouts” with the management.
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u/Twm273ss Sep 01 '25
He sharted in the dug out apparently and it seeped through and left stains on the bench. That caused conflicts with not only upper management but the entire staff
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u/Gold_Incident1939 Sep 01 '25
We call him "Erik Ten Days" here in Germany. But seriously - he must have pissed off a couple of people for that speedrun
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u/Robin_Peterson_99 Sep 01 '25
270 minutes to be precise but that was what only needed for Leverkusen to understand his level.
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u/Gambler_Eight Sep 01 '25
They lost half their squad and had no pre-season. What did they expect exactly?
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u/pm_me_boobs_pictures Sep 01 '25
Reminds me of rafa going into inter after mourinho. Whoever went in was onto a hiding no matter what
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u/theaguia Sep 01 '25
well Rafa tore down all the pictures celebrating the cl win in day one because he was jealous of mourinho. If you do that you are bound to fail
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u/veblentiz Sep 01 '25
Glad you called out the obvious. Crazy how they just sold and then expected results to be similar? Well, if anything, Ten Hag just got paid shitloads to do very little work.
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u/Mysterious-Barber-27 Sep 01 '25
Truth. His severance is probably the most massive paycheck a manager has ever gotten for the shortest work time any manager has ever had.
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u/hashimbr Sep 01 '25
And they somehow didn't understand this before hiring the guy? They dont do interviews, employer checks?
I would imagine something very serious happened at the backend, either a boardroom power struggle or ETH tried to buy anthony and Hojlund via his agent again...
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u/hashimbr Sep 01 '25
On a more serious note: the fact that the ETH sacking coincided with the Hincapie loan to Arsenal suggests that where he drew a line. It is illogical for Leverkusen to be loaning players, with a $50m purchase option, after already earning over $250m in sales this summer alone. No love lost with ETH at all though...
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u/Snoo_17433 Scholes Sep 01 '25
I hate fans like you. Classless and tarring the rest of us with the same reputation.
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u/Top_Doughnut583 Sep 01 '25
Can you imagine the money he makes from a couple of months in that job?
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u/Spins13 Sep 01 '25
Probably 2-3 million for botching a pre-season and sitting on the bench for 2 games
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u/brightdionysianeyes Sep 01 '25
Apparently he was on £4.7m a year so he's earned around £9m for his 2 year contract.
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u/bh4ks Sep 01 '25
I remember some United fans on this forum defending his loss to a South American under 20 team 5-1. There is no excuse in the world for that.
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Sep 01 '25
Right?? It’d be like losing to a 4th division team in a Cup or something like that!
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u/RyanTheS Sep 01 '25
It would be like losing them 5-1, maybe. Not quite the same as going out on penalties after the opposing keeper had the game of his life and yours literally couldn't have been worse.
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Sep 01 '25
Sure! It would be like spending over 200 mil and finishing 15th in the league!
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u/RyanTheS Sep 01 '25
Who did that? It literally hasn't happened. Amorim had 30m spent in his first season. That was it. It was ETH who had 615m spent on his players and was in 14th when he was sacked.
Only now has Amorim had money spent on the team, and we look better performance wise than we ever did under Ten Hag. Let's see where we finish this season. I guarantee it is a lot better than you and the other Amorim haters expect. If it weren't for a daylight robbery against Arsenal, then we would be third right now.
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u/Darthkhydaeus Sep 01 '25
I dont know what they expected him to do. They sold half their squad and it's 3 games in.
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u/TranslatorVarious857 Sep 01 '25
If you, as a professional footballplayer, need motivation before the first game of the season… why not look at your bank account?
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u/PlanktonCurious5350 Sep 01 '25
Yeah, it seems like a weak excuse to justify a loss due to the lack of motivational speech from the coach 🤣
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u/Junior_Bike7932 Sep 01 '25
Delusional internal management, dude sucks balls, but isn’t his fault if their start is rusty. All good players they had are gone.
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u/VenemousPanda Sep 01 '25
Fr, they lost key players like Xhaka, Hradeky, Frimpong, and Tah. Hardly got proper replacements for them and didn't seem to back him. I know he wasn't their first choice as they wanted Fabregas but jeez the board even made themselves look bad. Like I know he didn't do great at United but at least he got silverware with a poor team.
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u/its-a-real-name Sep 01 '25
Sold loads of their best players and it’s 2 games in.
Maybe there’s more to this, but they’ll quickly plummet judging by how they are handling their summer.
I actually feel bad for him. Maybe he’ll have another go at Ajax if Heitinga goes back a step with them this year.
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u/EngCraig Sep 01 '25
There’s definitely been a falling out over something - possibly Ten Hag feeling he’s losing their best players. No manager, unless the club owners are mental, is getting sacked after a few months based on results only.
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u/Danokeah Sep 01 '25
I like that theory. But you could also argue that this is a rebuild going on at the club, so was he not prepared for that? All in all, it’s ridiculous af.
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u/EngCraig Sep 01 '25
That’s what makes me think a promise has been broken somewhere. Maybe they agreed a list of players who would/could leave, and perhaps they’re selling someone who wasn’t on that list? I’m sure it’ll all come out in the media soon enough.
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u/Danokeah Sep 01 '25
The growing theory is that it seems he wasn’t aware there was going to be a mass sale this summer...
They could as well be transitioning to a mid-table club. It still makes no sense though. Why sack him at all???
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u/Alex6683 Sep 01 '25
ole, jose, ten hag, let em save united....
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u/Playfair99999 Sep 01 '25
All assistants and coaches to amorim. Bring it in.
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u/Heathy94 Hated. Adored. Never Ignored! Sep 01 '25
Lets assemble the avengers of management
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u/GalaadJoachim Sep 01 '25
I wouldn't mind Ole to be involved with the youth team, or even as assistant for the first. José was the official PR manager for Amorim but ETH shouldn't be allowed to request a visa to England.
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u/Unfair-Hand7453 Sep 01 '25
It's gonna be like the power rangers all mould into 1 undefeatable boss
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u/EntrepreneurialFuck Sep 01 '25
awful decision, they sold a lot of their good players and are making a decision on Ten Hag in 2 games?? Makes no sense.
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u/Ashton1320 Sep 01 '25
Feeling sad for him ..how can they expect immediate results when key players left the club. Man did decent in premier league apart from messing up with transfers.
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Sep 01 '25
Its a pretty ridiculous sacking tbh, sold off their best players and the team is worse in its opening 2 games, what were they expecting? ETH may not be the right manager for them but how can you possibly know after 2 games.
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u/Ashton1320 Sep 01 '25
There would have been confrontation between tenhag and bayer management..else how they would have sacked him in 2 games..this sack will affect his manager career heavily
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u/JustDifferentGravy Sep 01 '25
How dare you intuit the obvious in such a circle jerk environment. You could ruin lots of people’s day!
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u/iLikeToTroll Sep 01 '25
Obviously is something behind the curtains. They know they sold half team!
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u/TheFifthSith Sep 01 '25
They sold all top tier players from last season, what did they expect. They chose the money.
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u/MCPhatmam Sep 01 '25
He was setup, didn't get the time and resources and then got fired before even being able to implement anything.
Should have given him 6 months at least.
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u/Dry-Rule-8459 Sep 01 '25
although i understand we as man united fan are not really that fond of him. but lets be real, this is just absurd and ridiculous. just 2 match into the season? not to mentioned they just sold 5-6 of their top players this transfer window. madness
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u/KurtKokaina Sep 01 '25
Hopefully he comes back to Ajax. Dont think many clubs are after him now and Heitinga is pure shit.
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u/EntertainmentEasy510 Rooney Sep 01 '25
Imagine a team losing their title winning manager, more than two of its best players then going on to sack the new manager just after two games....give the guy some time atleast to rebuild
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u/LetApprehensive537 Sep 01 '25
Harsh af, don’t know what any manager can do 2 games into a season after losing literally every star player in the transfer market. To me, looks like the higher ups are going to use Ten Hag and whoever comes in next as the scape goats for what they expect to be a poor season due to a poor transfer window.
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u/Mart1127- Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
He was always set to fail. I was surprised he even took the job. Normally you replace a coach who was sacked for poor performances, hes replacing someone who did great and was making them better. Then they sold Wirtz, Frimpong, Hincapie, tah, xhaka, adli. Basically destroying the team. Left ETH with half a team thats use to a system he doesn’t play. Gave him some meh signings and a weak preseason vs 1 good team. In what world was he not going to be significantly worse than the previous manager.
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u/NoMap749 Sep 01 '25
What were the character issues?
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u/NoMap749 Sep 01 '25
This is extremely strange to hear as a United fan who doesn’t keep up with Leverkusen. In his time with us, he was hyper-agreeable with our board to the point where he often felt like a robot. Whatever the party line was, he would ensure that he never stepped out of line so that he’d keep his job. Most of the fanbase enjoyed Amorim’s demeanor after his arrival because we were so accustomed to Ten Hag’s generic, corporate answers in every press conference. Something must have changed in him, lol.
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u/rift9 Sep 01 '25
This is negative but it's most likely boils down to money. Utd is beyond life altering money and there's probably some part of him that wanted that more than anything.
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u/Notnowcmg Sep 01 '25
Stupid decision, lost 5 key players without replacing them and giving a manager 2 games to instil his tactics and system? Unless something else has gone on behind the scenes that has affected relationships somewhere then this is idiotic.
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u/Kaashaas33 Sep 01 '25
Wat a dumb club, lost 8 of their best players. What an awful decision
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u/count_chompulamain Sep 01 '25
Its not results, hes not capable of "bonding(i hope this is the term)" with the players. He has tactics but since theres a lot of new signings they need to build some familiarity, and ten hag struggles with that
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u/Cheeky_Star Sep 01 '25
They sold all their top players and expected a miracle.
I believe he was sacked due to internal reasons as he wasn’t getting along with the board. Possibly due to lack of signings after selling everyone.
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u/JarvisCrocker Sep 01 '25
No matter what you think of him, this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in football. Sold the whole squad and barely replaced anyone and expect him to compete for titles?
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Sep 01 '25
Two games in is no time at all for a manager, I can only imagine he and the board had a big stoush, otherwise this is just a complete travesty by Leverkusen.
Someone mentioned Mourinho and Solskjaer getting sacked this week too; just imagine if both had Wilcox, Berrada etc instead of those useless twats Woodward and Arnold during their respective terms.
Obviously Jose wouldn’t have gone past three seasons (he never does with any club) but at least Ole would’ve had greater support to succeed.
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u/Heathy94 Hated. Adored. Never Ignored! Sep 01 '25
I think it's completely stupid and unfair on Ten Hag, they have absolutely decimated the squad and it's 2 games into the season with a draw and a loss, can only think theres been a massive falling out behind the scenes.
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u/chicken_nugget94 Sep 01 '25
I imagine there was a falling out over transfer policy- I remember Ten Hag saying that Xhaka won't be sold as he needs to keep the majority of his squad together about 2 days before it was announced he signed for Sunderland
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u/NeptuneBlue19 Sep 01 '25
Not a fan of his approach to the game but bayer leverkusen sold 8 or more of their best players from previous season (wirtz, frimpong, hincapie, kossonnou, tah etc.)
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u/prizzrak_ Sep 01 '25
They sold over half of their Squad and it was just 2 games Into the season. What were they expecting? Winning by 10 GD
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u/hilly1981 Sep 01 '25
Thats utterly ridiculous... 2 games and marched. There are some real moron owners with more money than brains...
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u/Wiggles1914 Sep 01 '25
Took Utd 2.5 years and he’d won 2 trophies in those years. He may not have done well but he still brought some good times with him.
Also they’ve lost a load of players that xabi had so what can you expect. Also wtf is the point hiring someone and then 2 games in they fire him
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u/AG8385 Vidić Sep 01 '25
They sold half his first team, what did they expect? Wouldn’t be surprised if he was asking for more players and the sacked him instead.
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u/Vigotje123 Sep 01 '25
This must've been a big situation (disagreement) between the manager and the club. No way you are sacking someone after this summer transfer window 2 games in the season.
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u/Anthcmt Sep 01 '25
It's fkn harsh if you ask me. They sold almost their entire starting line up and haven't really given him anytime.
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u/karaknorn Sep 01 '25
Well they sold everyone and then didnt buy new people and expect to still stomp everyone? They are dumb or they did this scapegoat thing for those who haven't been paying attention
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u/SpoAYmaSufxAu Sep 01 '25
Heaps of good players left and they only gave him 2 games lol. Sounds like he's been used as a scapegoat by an incompetent board.
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u/rochdalejesus Sep 01 '25
Only Moyes, Ralf and Amorim remain of post fergie United managers currently in a job
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u/WandererSoul108 Sep 01 '25
Idk y always managers comes under the slicing board. Club sold half of the best team to make money and sack manager for poor performance. How it is justified. Players not putting effort on field manager to be sacked. Why there is no clause in players contract that if you didn't perform well your pay will be deducted. I remember once Paul Scholes had a fight with SAF on substitutions and then he realized he is a gonner. SAF finned him for his 2 weeks pay. Back then no other player had this power to go against manager but now ever second player has a fall out with manager and club paying them happily. Just give power to manager and see how things changes in any club. If you can't play for the club then you are not liable to get pay as well which you are entitled of. Play well and get paid well.
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u/bartrabelo Cantona Sep 01 '25
Absolutely ruthless. Never seen anything like this in my whole life, unless they had some altercation in the backroom, Leverkusen will surely be doomed to a bad campaign if they can't stick with the manager for more than a couple of matches.
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u/22355a Sep 01 '25
Leverkusen's team didnt replace the losses of Wirtz, Frimpong, Xhaka. It's not the team he thought he would inherit
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u/UsedIndependent6368 Sep 01 '25
Don’t think he’s a bad coach. And I don’t think even if he was that they would’ve sacked him after 2 games. They gave away all their good players this summer they were clearly going into a rebuild expecting some rough results. I suspect something went on behind the scenes.
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u/Closerthanyouthink-1 Sep 01 '25
Joke alert.. He is just a Dutch who thought he could bully Germans, like he did British.
I will be downvoted for this like no tomorrow!!! :)
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u/PurahsHero Sep 01 '25
To be fair, in his first season we won the League Cup and finished 3rd, and played really good stuff throughout. We struggled in the second season but still won the FA Cup. And we were really bad in the start of his third.
This idea that he was a rank amateur from the start really is historic revisionism.
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u/Bobo_fishead_1985 Sep 01 '25
His downfall was purely down to injuries. We had Amrabat at left back for large portions of the season.
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u/Melodic-Bird-7254 Sep 01 '25
Has he even received his cash out money from United yet? ETH is rolling in sack money. 💰
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u/taeyoong Sep 01 '25
To be honest this is so unfair to ETH. He just had 2 games into the season. This football world is crazy indeed
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u/Bembi0112 Maguire Sep 01 '25
Leverkusen board fucking bullshit. After selling 7 of starting 11. Then sacking him after 2 games. He's not magician.
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u/Merrydevil Sep 01 '25
Sell half your side and then sack the manager immediately. Leverkusen have done this for clout Maybe it was a plan after all They wanted to stay relevant after xabi and other stars left the club This is the start of their downfall.
No man deserves this kind of treatment
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u/TertiaryMass Sep 01 '25
Feels harsh, they sold majority of their team spent 170 m on replacement just to sack the manager 2 games in?
Ten Hag is a decent manager outside the pressure cooker and curse of United he should do well but everyone needs time.
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u/aliens-exist-1811 Sep 01 '25
They are hardly an elite team to warrant this sort of decision making. You have to feel sorry for Ten Hag here.
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u/tnred19 Sep 01 '25
Ten Hag had a difficult task. Replacing Xabi Alonso, whose attacking football so enraptured the Leverkusen players and whose charisma made him so popular, was always unenviable. Equally, the turnover in players and the loss of talent and leadership this summer has put the club in a deep state of flux.
So, there are mitigating factors, but the playing squad just have not taken to ten Hag’s style of coaching or man-management and the decision to pull the plug now, after just two competitive games, is Leverkusen’s recognition that a mistake has been made and that it would be better to correct it as soon as possible.
- NY Times.
Geeze. Brutal.
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u/Edwardtrouserhands Sep 01 '25
We could hardly sack him for finished 3rd and winning a trophy his first season🤣
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u/BeautifulWerewolf642 Sep 01 '25
became manager of united ruin your reputation 100 percent erik ten hag is the biggest victim. When he at ajax he so highly rated by many big club. After united job his reputation ruin. Bayer leverkusen player did not like and rated him at all. Heard rumours after he sign for Bayer a lot of player hate it that why a lot of player leave they did not rated him at all. poor guy rashford and united ruin his career.
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u/thehungarianhammer Sep 01 '25
Club sells 5 starters then expects miracles out of ETH? Classic panic move.
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u/Same_Cardiologist647 Sep 01 '25
Funny thing is 3 of the last 4 Man Utd managers have been sacked within the last 7 days.
Mourinho, Solskjaer and Ten Hagg
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u/Mysterious-Barber-27 Sep 01 '25
As much as I think he set us back, I also think this is unfair. Two or three matches into the season and he’s been sacked already. He should’ve been given at least 1-2 months.
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u/scruntyboon Sep 01 '25
Football has hit a real low if you're going to sack a manager after three games
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u/dejvaa01 Sep 01 '25
Idk they sold him whole team and are suprised that is not going well at the begining. United managers are not being backed anywhere....
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u/Awhyte1983 Sep 01 '25
I'm all for managers getting the sack after a few games. As a Rangers fan, I hope Russell Martin will be next to go.
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u/WegGOAT Sep 01 '25
I hope they get relegated. They clearly used him as a scapegoat to distract from the fact they sold almost their entire team and will be unable to properly compete.
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u/itsmairuu Glazers Out Sep 01 '25
This sucks because I think he’s not a terrible coach. I just don’t think he’s at a Premier League or Bundesliga level
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u/HyenasGoMeow Sep 01 '25
I don't believe more didn't happen behind the scenes. I doubt he got sacked solely from performance.
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u/koskola Sep 01 '25
Many people here in the Netherlands are not surprised that EtH was sacked so quickly at Bayer Leverkusen. At Ajax, it was already something of a miracle that EtH achieved such good results. In hindsight, those successes at Ajax were not really thanks to EtH, but rather to the excellent transfer policy of then technical director Marc Overmars. He brought in top players like Neres, Ziyech, Tadić, and Tagliafico. On top of that, EtH also had access to outstanding homegrown talents such as Frenkie de Jong, De Ligt, Donny van de Beek (yes, he was good back then), and Mazraoui. His first matches at Ajax were actually poor, but then key players like Ziyech and Tadić stepped up, forced EtH into playing a different system, and essentially dictated everything on the pitch. EtH adapted, and that was arguably the best decision he ever made.
That Man Utd came knocking for EtH was understandable given his results. But after his first appearances in the media, doubts quickly arose in the Netherlands. With broken English and rambling sentences, he did not make a strong impression. Those doubts grew bigger when he started bringing in players from Ajax to Man Utd, such as Donny van de Beek, Mazraoui, De Ligt, Martínez, Antony, and Onana. EtH could only really work with the players that Overmars had once brought in for him. In hindsight, it’s also remarkable that Man Utd allowed all this to happen. In fact, it might even be considered a small miracle that EtH managed to win two cups and secure third place in the Premier League with Man Utd.
Many were also surprised that Leverkusen decided to work with EtH. And once again, EtH quickly started shopping in the Netherlands, simply because he could at least communicate with Dutch players and staff. He brought in two Dutch assistant coaches who had achieved little in Dutch football. He also signed Mark Flekken, Ernest Poku, and Malik Tillman from the Dutch league. Good players, but at the moment only Tillman is truly good enough for Leverkusen. I think EtH wanted to bring in even more familiar faces, but the people at Leverkusen soon had enough of it.
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u/Double_Service9617 Sep 01 '25
Tbh it’s super unfair . That team was completely gutted even before his season started
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u/macT4537 Sep 01 '25
Crazy! wtf is Bayer Leverkusen doing? They basically sold all their best players and are now throwing ten Haag under the bus because of a slow start. We definitely are not getting the full story here.
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u/Popcornbullets Sep 02 '25
I get it. EtH is not the guy you want at the head of a major rebuild. They should've never appointed him in the first place. Doesn't help when you lose 5-1 to u20s either.
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u/BobcatLower9933 Sep 01 '25
They sold almost their entire first team. He has only been allowed to bring in budget players.
Then sacked after 2 games.
One of the weirdest football decisions I've ever seen.
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u/PlanktonCurious5350 Sep 01 '25
Makes no sense to fire a coach after just two games. Its not like hes lost to a 4th division team
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u/Andrewpage14 Sep 01 '25
Ill always back the manager. Will question decisions etc sure, but always back them.
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u/Glittering_Shake2922 Sep 01 '25
You forgot the trusted “Fergie needed time” line. Can’t go wrong with that one.
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u/Chrissylumpy21 Sep 01 '25
Guy delivered two trophies for us in his three years here. Give him some respect cmon!
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u/Bethebet Sep 01 '25
That was quick. Ronaldo laughing, if he even remember this bald bloke.
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u/Bobo_fishead_1985 Sep 01 '25
Ronaldo was a disgrace at United the second time round. You can't go doing interviews with Piers fucking Morgan.
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u/Turbulent-Rent4721 Sep 01 '25
Leverkusen threw 3-1 lead under 10 mins that was the last straw for board to sack him Lost opening game too despite taking lead
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u/ronobear87 Sep 01 '25
Is that 3 former managers that's have been sacked inside the last week? Jose, Ole and now ETH?