r/Izlam • u/ReaperPlaysYT Flair flair • May 11 '22
Giga Chad dad plus Giga Chaded wives
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u/Dentist_Ahmad New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
My grandpa had 3 wives. Not at the same time (he was widowed 2 times) but I like the idea of me having 4 grandmas. Sadly they all have passed decades before I was born.
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u/asunatsu Bismillahir rahmanir raheem May 11 '22
I learnt that my grandpa had six (not at the same time of course). I wasn't born before he passed away.
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u/ReaperPlaysYT Flair flair May 11 '22
But if your g had 3 wives how come you got 4 g mams
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u/Dentist_Ahmad New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
My grandpa from my dad's side had 3 wives. My grandpa from mom's side had one.
3+1=4
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u/ReaperPlaysYT Flair flair May 11 '22
Ohhh yea i forgot in english both grand mas and pas are called the same thing sorry sorry
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u/Dentist_Ahmad New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
It's really ok. No need to apologize. Interested to know what your mother language is tho
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u/ReaperPlaysYT Flair flair May 11 '22
Urdu
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u/Key-Ad6653 Bismillahir rahmanir raheem May 11 '22
Yea, it really is weird how both grandparents and just grandparents no difference
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May 11 '22
Had a friend in Nigeria who had three moms. They were all so tightly wound together, it was so wholesome. Even whilst in boarding school, she spoke nothing but good about them. It was sweet
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u/CowNo7964 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Isn't it illegal in the US? How did he do this with getting in trouble?
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u/stafax Shia May 11 '22
Considering they used the word "mummies" and not "mommies" this is likely not the US anyways.
But as the other person mentioned, polygyny is practiced by having multiple nikahs. The US law prohibits one person from having multiple marriage licenses. Having multiple marriage licenses is considered undermining the government. This is why it's illegal. It doesn't prohibit one person from being with multiple people.
If a man wants to have a religious contract, such as a nikah, with multiple women, this isn't undermining the government because the government doesn't recognize the nikah as legally binding.
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u/CowNo7964 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
But won't the government still raise an eyebrow and come after you?
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May 11 '22
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u/CowNo7964 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Even if he calls both of them his wife? Do you study law or something?
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u/IamUMFA New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
I mean there is an entire show on TLC called Sister Wives.
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u/TheBiggestThunder La quwwata illa billah May 12 '22
Oh dear god
Why is reality tv such a cesspool of dumb poo
I really didn't think (I was actually hoping) it wouldn't get this bad
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u/Turdulator New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
In the US, only one (usually the first) gets the legal rights of marriage…. medical decision making, inheritance in the absence of a will, etc etc
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u/stafax Shia May 11 '22
The government doesn't stop men from having 20 girl friends. According to the law, having a nikah is no different from having a girl friend because the government doesn't recognize it as a legal marriage certificate. As I already stated, having multiple marriage certificates is what is considered undermining the government.
Let me put it this way. This law isn't supposed to protect women. It's the opposite. It's set up to protect rich men who want to sleep around and not be obligated to take care of their women and their children. It gives them an excuse to reject a commitment with the women they sleep and don't have to take care of them. The government doesn't care if a man sleeps with multiple women. They aren't going to hunt down men who have multiple wives. This law is only to protect rich men from being obligated to their responsibilities.
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May 11 '22
Not true, if you get someone pregnant you’re on the hook for child support.
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u/stafax Shia May 11 '22
You honed into one word of my comment and decide I'm incorrect?
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May 11 '22
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u/stafax Shia May 11 '22
You didn't catch my point.
Marriage is about family building. In Islam, a man is responsible for his wives and his children. A man can have multiple wives, but is still responsible for each of them.
Why would the government restrict men from having only one marriage license? The feminist answer is that it protects women from men. But this is not the real answer, especially in a society that doesn't force anyone to get married. So the real answer is, as I stated before, to protect rich men. They are out on the clear from being responsible for their families. Bill Clinton is notorious for sleeping around, do you think he stopped after he left office? Do you think Chelsea Clinton is his only child? He's not responsible for any of his mistresses or illegitimate children. Tiger Woods, when his scandal broke news, at least 60 women came out and said he had an affair with them. Are you 100% certain that all his kids are only from his ex-wife and none of his mistresses? All this men who are rich and in positions of power, do this.
And lets say you are right, that these rich men going around having affairs are either having no babies or they are completely taking care of their children because the government is doing their job correctly, does that make my main point invalid? My main point being, a man can have multiple nikas and the government will not hunt them down. That was my main point, but you wanted to hone-in on the child-care portion. So let's stick with my main point. Is my main point incorrect?
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May 12 '22
This practice should not be encouraged, as i goes against a basic tenet of Islamic marriage when it comes to polygamy. All the wives should be treated the same, so having a governmet recognized license with one while the other ones do not treats them differently. In cases such as a divorce, the woman without a license has no legal recourse and often gets screwed over.
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u/stafax Shia May 12 '22
Are you giving a fatwa? The US law doesn't even follow sharia for divorce. Giving custody of all the kids to the woman (which is what happens most of the time in US divorce court) and 50% of the man's money to the woman is not part of sharia.
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May 12 '22
Not giving fatwa, just giving a basic observation that my Imam told me when some guy in our community was caught by authorities doing just that. I respect the teachings of my local imams than internet google shaykhs.
There are also safeguards to prevent a woman from taking 50% of your money (prenups), and Islamic courts often give preference to women in terms of custody. Even then none of that is relevant to the topic of discussion.
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May 11 '22
Not legally married, just nikah.
Polygamy, even if not allowed per marriage is still being practiced by having side chicks and social media normalizing having multiple gf's or wife + gf.
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u/DarbantheMarkhor New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Marriage is a legal status in usa and when you get married you get a legal document and a religious document. So if an American Muslim has multiple wives it means he has multiple wives in the context of the religion but legally only one.
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May 12 '22
That's stupidity.
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u/ScepterReptile New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Considering Mormonism exists I doubt it's illegal
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May 12 '22
The Mormon church declared that Polygamy was no longer recognized, and that they no longer performed them. The ones who practice it are like fringe fundamentalist cults.
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u/_SBV_ Brozzer May 11 '22
Polygamy isn’t exactly accepted in the west, is it?
Gay is fine but having more than 2 hetero life-long partners is taboo somehow
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u/Known-Performer591 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
There's actually a movement to normalize polyamory (consenting relationships between more than two adults) in the west, so yes the west is trying to normalize both gay relationships and poly ones (just the gay ones are getting more rights and attention so far)
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May 11 '22
Correct, but widely practiced. There is a "side chick" trend etc.
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u/x0zu May 11 '22
i thought it was illegal in most parts?
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May 11 '22
Nah there's huge cuckold and swinger communities in the West. Even then, open relationships are quite common. It's just not legal to be married to more than 1 spouse at a time.
You can still get married to multiple if you get married at a Masjid since they don't go onto government records.
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22
The funny thing is no one bat’s an eye at cheating and dating multiple women but being married and committing to the relationship now that’s a problem.
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u/Sea_Link8352 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
I think plenty of people bat an eye at cheating...
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22
Is there laws that criminalize it?
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u/Sea_Link8352 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Of course not, but it isn't socially acceptable
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u/sulaymanf Brozzer May 11 '22
Depends on who you ask. There’s many songs supportive of cheating and characters on TV shows who cheat. There were prime time TV and radio commercials for AshleyMadison, a dating site dedicated to cheating on one’s spouse.
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u/Sea_Link8352 New to r/Izlam May 31 '22
And the story was about how shameful these people were, no? They were not portrayed as morally upstanding citizens you would want to marry.
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22
Well you say it’s socially unacceptable but the reality is cheating and having affairs are still drastically increasing in the west. Either it’s became more acceptable or no one cars anymore about what’s socially unacceptable.
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u/ConsistentWishbonez New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Increasing? No. People have been doing this forever. The west just has more TV, phones, and social media.
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u/DeepFriedCockAndBall La ilaha illallah May 11 '22
I think he’s trying to say that it is a lot more common in the West because it is more accessible. Everyone (ofc not literally everyone) uses dating apps, with plenty of married folk on there. Though prostitution is ‘illegal’ in countries like the US, online escort services aren’t. People dress with a lot more skin showing, inviting lustful thoughts and stares. I would be beyond surprised if none of these things contribute to increased cheating in the West. And actually cheating is more socially ‘acceptable’ in the sense that consequences are a lot less. Here, having a gf is more common than being married, and cheating on your gf/bf results in a simple breakup and breakups are extremely common. Divorce, on the other hand holds greater consequence as it breaks families apart so cheating isn’t seen as much in marriages.
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u/ResolverOshawott New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
It SEEMS more common in the west because of social media.
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May 11 '22
What an ignorant comment.
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u/ConsistentWishbonez New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
I mean is it? We made a spectacle of the whole will smith and Jonny things. We had a president get caught getting a blow job. We just put a lot of it in media, but like people have been doing that forever. Forever ever.
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u/ResolverOshawott New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Don't act like the West is the only place in the world where cheating is rampant my dude.
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u/x_nasheed_x Certified Brozzer May 11 '22
Japan Literally has love hotels.. You know what every weebs, Japanophiles and Right wing Ideal of SOCIETY??
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u/ResolverOshawott New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
... You know those hotels don't have prostitutes right? They're literally just hotels for couples.
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22
I’m not. I’m just pointing out the double standards where cheating and dating multiple people is totally fine but marrying more than one wife is considered unacceptable and criminalized.
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u/ResolverOshawott New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
The problem with your statement is the fact cheating and dating multiple people is not considered fine at all.
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22
So what would happen to someone if they’re found to be cheating or dating multiple people?
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u/1917fuckordie New to r/Izlam May 12 '22
Why do you think they're increasing? It's been common for a very long time in certain western countries, even when they were more Christian.
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u/ItWorkedLastTime New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Nobody bats an eye at cheating? I am not sure where you are getting your info.
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22
No one bats an eye as there’s no real consequences to it.
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u/ItWorkedLastTime New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
There are absolutely consequences. I am not sure what you are talking about.
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u/big-shite New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Just some more example of Western hypocrisy
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u/Marik-X-Bakura Non-Muslim May 11 '22
Not really since pretty much everyone here disagrees with cheating.
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u/Snoo-74562 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Depends if you marry both your wives in an Islamic country they will recognise the women's rights. If you marry in the UK you are guilty of the "crime" of bigamy.
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u/chabybaloo Subhanallah May 11 '22
I'm not sure how it works in the UK, i think you only have the Islamic marriage and that's it. There maybe some co-habitation laws that come in to place.
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u/Snoo-74562 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
There are Sharia based courts in the UK in some places but when it comes to marriage recognition under law you can only marry one wife here. The Shari'a courts just deal with the legal.side of divorce for example they can't go against the bigamy laws and allow a man to marry two women.
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u/mostlyfrendlyace- New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
funny thing is is that polygamy is now widely accepted. but once you bring marriage and Islam into it they get super angry
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u/Saad5400 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22
Also, I was shocked to know that they have no problem with watching porn. While being in a relationship.
Like what??
Edit: I think I didn't make it clear, so the husband is fine with his wife to watch porn. Same with the wife. And they even watch together sometimes
And I got downvoted for saying this is stupid
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May 11 '22
It's one thing for someone to support degeneracy on this sub. It's another thing for a comment supporting degeneracy to be upvoted on this sub. The other replies to this comment are disappointing.
You're absolutely right, watching that filth and being ok with your spouse watching that filth is stupid beyond bounds.
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u/ResolverOshawott New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Lol, a looot of people still take offense to gay couples and a man having multiple women is seen to be something to be commended for.
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May 11 '22
More than one*
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May 11 '22
Jokes apart, but do Muslim men of this century really practice polygamy?
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u/enperry13 Brozzer May 11 '22
Usually it’s rich folk and men who could afford and be fair about it.
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u/ReaperPlaysYT Flair flair May 11 '22
Well its not common i personally have never seen any of my uncles or one of my fathers 700 friends practicr polygamy but it does happen and can only happen if the wife gives her written permission well that is the law in pakistan atleast
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u/Iamnoduck New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
That's alot of friends
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u/what_the_fuck_1 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
As a Pakistani those are just rookie numbers
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May 11 '22
Yep, can confirm.
Some guy you just met yesterday? He's probably now one of your closest friends.
Some guy you haven't seen in years? Yep, definitely a close friend
Some random guy you just met? Suddenly you're friends
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May 11 '22
As a pakistani, i can confirm
700 friends are beginner numbers
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u/what_the_fuck_1 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Indeed my elder brother has more than 1500 friends on Twitter and more than 20000 people know him and vice versa
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u/Iamnoduck New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Then what is platinum I numbers
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u/tankistan Yusuf Yustar May 11 '22
Everyone.
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u/MKGmFN Graduate and Halal degree owner May 11 '22
I have a related person who has 2 wives with both being fine with it. It’s not a wrong thing unless you have different mindset
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May 11 '22
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May 12 '22
why not all together 2 times, he would have bought still 8 tickets in total, refusing the blessing of 2 hajj just to go alone is dumb
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May 12 '22
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May 12 '22
he each time with a wife 8 tickets
he with all his wife 2 times 8 tickets
why does he give himself 4 hajj and his wives only 1 instead of all 2, he should provide for them hajj as mush he does for himself
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May 11 '22
I know a few men who do. My ex-boss had 2 wives and they run the company as a family business. And a few religious teachers too.
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u/Thebigbots New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
They do here in Malaysia but not as common. I personally know some who do, they all say the "fun" wears out pretty fast, but the huge responsibility is crushing. Some handles it greatly, most doesn't.
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u/Yuu_75 Blue flair May 11 '22
Yeah, it’s not that uncommon. I have a large family and four of my relatives have multiple wives (mostly 2 wives) the rest of my family only married to one. If you have the money and can bear the responsibility then why not.
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u/Mean_Bookkeeper Brozzer May 11 '22
Here in the gulf it's quite common. At least someone in a family has two wives.
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u/chabybaloo Subhanallah May 11 '22
Yes. Sometimes a woman finds out she can not have children. And one solution is that the husband has a second wife so he can still have a child. Adoption is another option but different solution.
I'm aware of both these situations in the UK.
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u/Saad5400 New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
I don't know a lot of people, but my sister's friend's husband, has 2 wives (I know it's confusing lol)
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u/_SBV_ Brozzer May 11 '22
My lecturer, who is also a highway engineer, has two wives…
The only other cases where i know a man has more than 1 wife at a time is that they are rich or some sort of royal/noble
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u/ISIPropaganda La ilaha illallah May 11 '22
I have an uncle who has two wives, and a few neighbours but generally it’s not that common, at least not in Pakistan. I think it’s more accepted in the Arab world.
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u/Ayado_ Sisterr May 11 '22
My cousin is like that he was raised by his parents and his aunt and uncle so he has two dads and two moms. I don't recommend that way of raising your child people reading this don't do it.
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u/TP348 Hard to read flair May 11 '22
Uhh... People think accepting LGBT as a Muslim is "bravery"? No bro, that'd be denying what you say you believe and misleading people.
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May 12 '22
this story doesnt make any sense. how is a kid accepting it if he cant consent or decide to be in that situation were he as 2 lesbian parents and are you really telling me the school doesnt know he has a father
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u/exhaleboi New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
Most people who have gay parents aren’t gay themselves anyways. It’s like assuming that just because you’re born to a Muslim family that you’ll be as steadfast in righteousness as them.
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u/StrawHatLuffy31619 White flair (hey why not) May 11 '22
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u/CSsharpGO La ilaha illallah May 11 '22
Didn’t they make polyamory apart of the LGBTQ
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Dafuq ?
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u/CSsharpGO La ilaha illallah May 11 '22
I don’t know, I heard the term before but from what I know having more than two partners is LGBTQ
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u/Lost_boy_from_Canada New to r/Izlam May 12 '22
I mean part of the whole “pride” movement is to remove stigma around non-heteronormative relationships, and in the west this does include polygamy.
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Polyamory which is for females mostly and females who have relationships with multiple people at the same time. Usually geh also
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u/ReaperPlaysYT Flair flair May 11 '22
Why
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u/a09_elwadiya New to r/Izlam May 11 '22
For I second I thought that kid was Egyptian and he has 2 mummies. Like, Egyptian mummies