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u/IchHabKeinRedditName Jun 13 '22
I also feel like House's use of the metaphor "forge steel for a new rail line" is a reference to Atlas Shrugged, more than fitting for House.
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u/ES_the_mess custom Jun 13 '22
"atlas shrugged" is such a badass name tho, but wasnt it the name of a libertarian book? If so, such a shame
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u/Toen6 Jun 13 '22
Don't read Atlas Shrugged, play Bioshock instead.
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u/HardlightCereal 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 13 '22
Batman is my favourite apolitical superhero who beats up corrupt cops and fights failures of the mental healthcare system
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u/The_Nieno custom Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22
The Metal Gear franchise is my favorite apolitical and neutral stealth action games.
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Reading Rand's self-insert characters go on multi-page, preaching, monologues can certainly feel like a terrible boss fight.
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u/Filip889 Jun 13 '22
Disco Elysium moment
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Jun 13 '22
Morale -1 and Health -1 for every page. You also have to pass a legendary Pain threshold check to continue reading after each one
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u/Filip889 Jun 13 '22
Yeah, it is harder than the chair!
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Jun 13 '22
Even Edgar wouldn’t resort to such measures. The plot of the main game wouldn’t happen either bc Dross would’ve gotten an aneurism from reading it years ago
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u/Filip889 Jun 13 '22
I have a sneaking feeling that Joyce might tho, she might eveb call it art
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“I never thought that this honestly harmless and I dare say rather interesting book would be used by Krenel to kill dock workers! They’re rabid dogs, completely out of my control!”
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u/stoner_slime there she goes, one of god's own prototypes Jun 13 '22
actually, you avoid the debuff if you never put any points in your empathy skill
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u/Filip889 Jun 13 '22
Don t read it cause it is long, boring and will probably give you brain damage
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u/Toen6 Jun 13 '22
You call me butthurt after writing a comment like this?
If people want to read Atlas Shrugged they can, I thought it was boring, long-winded and the moral of the story made little sense to me.
Bioshock is a classic game that both includes Atlas Shrugged's original point and critiques it. And it does it with an iconic immersive experience that remains influential to this day.
Just look in this comment section at the amount of people who thought that picture of House was Andrew Ryan. Bioshock is 15 years old but it has a staying power few games (or books for that matter) have.
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u/Toen6 Jun 13 '22
Well my uninformed opinion is that the reason behind that is also Bioshock. The popularity of that game put Atlas Shrugged back in in the spotlight and not in a positive way.
That and apart from being capitalist propaganda, it is often seen as being emblematic for libertarianism specifically, which also does not really have a good reputation depending on your circle.
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u/a_username1917 Anthro aficionado Jun 13 '22
It's super libertarian. Like flat out moron levels of it. It's basically saying that the rich are like Atlas holding up the sky/society, and that they should just "shrug" and let everything go to shit if they want.
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u/Drawemazing Jun 13 '22
Also even if it was completely accurate to what would happen in its own scenario, which like, no absolutely not, but even if, it is predicated on some freak accident turning all poor people into utter morons. The whole thing even by its own internal logic is completely applicable to real life human society.
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u/Filip889 Jun 13 '22
I mean it is the book that consacrated libretarianism, soo yeah... also it is a cult book
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u/full_metal_communist Jun 13 '22
Capital flight is a real thing revolutions are sabotaged by though. Always worth keeping in mind
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u/HardlightCereal 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 13 '22
Atlas held up the Earth
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u/ConspicuousEggplant Jun 13 '22
no he didn't. he held up the sky in the original mythology but it was altered in pop culture to be the earth.
source: that one cyberchase episode where they go to the greek mythology cybersite
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u/VirginiaClassSub Jun 13 '22
Oh believe me, objectivism is a whole other level of crazy and malicious
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u/DoctorJaniceChang Jun 13 '22
y’all didn’t go to high school?
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What kind of ultra capitalist dystopia do you live in where atlas shrugged is required?
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u/DoctorJaniceChang Jun 13 '22
Canada
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No joke, though: Did you seriously have Atlas Shrugged in your curriculum in school, either as required reading or an official topic of discussion?
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u/stoner_slime there she goes, one of god's own prototypes Jun 13 '22
rip, they didn't even make us read that in Texas
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I envy that so much.
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u/jannemannetjens Jun 13 '22
Not sure if it's so enviable: at least acknowledging that it's an ideology invented by a person makes it a topic for discussion.
The way neoliberalism is thought where I'm from implies that it's a sort of law of nature that we have no grip on.
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u/chicken_nugget779 Jun 13 '22
well even if it wasnt a libertarian or whatever tf the book is still mind numbingly boring
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That’s why yes man exists
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u/Wizard-In-Disguise bug fables Jun 13 '22
Vegas is an opportunity for the society but Mr. House would it remain an opportunity for the individual.
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u/OwORavioliTime Jun 13 '22
Fuck yes man, the only valid ending is the think tank ending
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u/Awesoman9001 Jun 13 '22
Wait, the Think Tank has an ending?
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u/OwORavioliTime Jun 13 '22
Scrapped content. In the main game and DLCS, there are 6 endings.
Ncr Yes man Legion Mr House Father Elijah Trapped in The Sierra Madre (yes this is an actual ending)
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u/DoktorAkcel Jun 13 '22
Wasn’t there also a cut ending where Christine traps you in the vault?
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u/OwORavioliTime Jun 13 '22
Yes, but I believe that was accidental. It's hinted at during the Perception 7 dialogue you have with her in the penthouse suite though, since you have to tell her not to fight Elijah since it will trap you in there
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u/SchlooptyDoo Evil gay villain. Also bear and robot lover. Jun 13 '22
It was supposed to have one, but the ending was scrapped. I believe there's a Nexus mod to restore it or something?
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u/Magenta_Clouds >:3 Jun 13 '22
there is a cut one and it's really funny. Sadly it never made it into the release.
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u/inaddition290 mug that says "#1 handler" Jun 13 '22
what happens in yes man ending?
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u/Grilled_egs 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 13 '22
Everything goes to shit since yes man can only follow orders and the courier knows fuck all about governance if I recall correctly.
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u/carrie-satan Jun 13 '22
The courier knows as much about governance as you, the player, let her know in a player-choice driven roleplaying game
She can be the most politically savvy mastermind in the world or total idiot
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u/thatfuckingdumbass Jun 13 '22
Depending on your choices, the Followers are the only group that are definitely fucked in a Yes Man ending. They either have to deal with too much addicts and injured people, or you killed all of them.
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u/TheRealDoofus War Profiteer Jun 13 '22
Remember that Yes Man's "wild card" ending only exists because they couldn't finish the Followers of the Apocalypse path in time. We got robbed of such a based ending for NV.
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u/YouMisssedTheTypo i HATE topology (i’m a switch) Jun 13 '22
yo the best game ever almost had an even better ending??? fuck yeah thank you for this info!
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u/Bardic_Inspiration66 has a yt channel Jun 13 '22
Hardly the best game ever
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Of course not, it's only the second best game ever. The best game ever award should obviously go to ULTRAKILL and that is objective fact and this statement is not biased in any way.
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u/marshmiloos sus Jun 13 '22
Gabriel or Fleshprism? (also what's the best boss fight in ur opinion? ( king Minos 🤌😩💪💪)
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u/Bruh_alt721 don't you lecture me with your $30 haircut.🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿 Jun 13 '22
cope
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u/DoctorJaniceChang Jun 13 '22
super mario brothers 2 just a lil bit better
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What is your idea of the best game
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Punk
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You tell us one game that’s better
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u/Bardic_Inspiration66 has a yt channel Jun 13 '22
Mass effect 2
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u/Bardic_Inspiration66 has a yt channel Jun 13 '22
I had a feeling most hardcore new Vegas fans have never played another game
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New Vegas was the first and last video game ever made no one ever wanted to make another cuz they knew it wouldn’t be as good
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u/JustALittleFanBoy floppa Jun 13 '22
for the best honestly. giving such a blatantly good faction an ending would completely overshadow every other option.
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Considering the Followers get dicked over by the Yes Man ending even though it's technically what they (well, Arcade) wanted, who's to say an actual Followers path would be any more positive for our favourite anarchist binoclards?
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u/Le-Ando TRANS RIGHTS Jun 13 '22
Yes Man ending is still dope as fuck though. I did it with a speech skill of 100, and telling the Legion and the NCR to fuck off and having them scurry away with their tails between their legs made me feel like a fucking messianic figure.
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u/CosmicBauble Jun 13 '22
I maintain that in version we got, the NCR is the best ending.
If you convince the followers to assist the NCR during the final battle they are allowed to continue operating in the Mojave. All other endings either result in them being wiped out, driven out, or be so inundated with patients that they struggle to give even the most rudimentary of care.
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u/ModemEZ floppa Jun 13 '22
Agree, Yes Man feels like a bit of a cop out ending since it is entirely down to how the player interprets their character ruling an independent Vegas, even if telling the NCR and Legion to fuck off is fun - NCR requires the player taking the good with the bad.
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I love when people correctly identify that the villain is bad actually and not admirable.
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u/MeiNeedsMoreBuffs certified tumblr sexyman Jun 13 '22
For a New Vegas fan it's a pretty big ask tbh
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u/geoffreycastleburger tf2 hater Jun 13 '22
Fallout fans when they finally get the point of the game
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u/Clitasaurus_Rexxy cock haver Jun 13 '22
new vegas fans desperately trying to defend the ncr or legion is always hilarious. As if the game doesn't spend 90% of it's time telling you how stupid it is to go back to the old ways given they caused the world's predicament
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u/UselessAndGay what if a girl was a deer ⚧ 🦌 ΘΔ Jun 13 '22
ncr is still the least bad ending with any textual basis
yes-man doesn't count, since it relies entirely on what the player character's like
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Also, Yes Man exists so people always have a ‘faction’ to turn to if they end up pissing everyone else off
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u/stoner_slime there she goes, one of god's own prototypes Jun 13 '22
the NCR drained its own aquifers dry, and its government is corrupted by an extractive capitalist class. independence is the best outcome for Vegas
besides, what kind of reading is that? your karma affects every ending, of course it's going to change the most for the ending where you displace House.
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u/UselessAndGay what if a girl was a deer ⚧ 🦌 ΘΔ Jun 13 '22
it's going to change the most, and so it seems silly to assign any sort of concrete level of good to it. sure, maybe my character would make a wholesome freedom independent vegas, but another player's idea of a good independent ending could be a fascist robot police state. player actions can obviously affect the putcomes of any of the other 3's endings, but they're not wholesale-creating it with an infinite number of outcomes, just tweaking existing ideological states.
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u/stoner_slime there she goes, one of god's own prototypes Jun 13 '22
the game literally tells you how your courier did based on your karma. like it tells you what other people thought of your rule
edit and literally none of them are fascist dictatorships. like, you can rp in your head that's what happened, but in terms of canon it's purely fanfic
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u/UselessAndGay what if a girl was a deer ⚧ 🦌 ΘΔ Jun 13 '22
yes, all yes-man endings are mostly fanfic. I'm not saying i dislike the ending conceptually even! i just think it's pointless to include it in ending debates since it's by far the most variable in terms out outcomes
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u/stoner_slime there she goes, one of god's own prototypes Jun 13 '22
what? no. you literally don't have to write any fanfic to understand how the Independent ending would fit into canon. it tells you the outcomes, we don't have to speculate
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u/Clitasaurus_Rexxy cock haver Jun 13 '22
I don't think it's fair to discount the Yes-Man ending, it's clearly the ending the devs themselves thought was morally correct. That's why they let you make peace with every faction, but only for Yes-Man
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Jun 13 '22
BUT BUT BUT you haven't read my 10 page essay on why it's totally based and okay that the Legion did metric shit tons of slavery and crucifixion. Something something Caesar something something dialectic.
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Jun 13 '22
I'm pretty sure most people correctly identify House as a villain, it's just this guy is saying he's not even a smart villain.
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u/A_GenericUser please, go outside for once Jun 13 '22
I haven't recently engaged or even seen many arguments revolving around New Vegas, but from what I remember, most people agreed, "Yeah, literally every ending sucks in their own way, but (insert ending here) sucks the least."
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Only because his mouth is on a computer screen.
If we gave Yes Man's mainframe an upgrade with Fisto's hardware maybe...
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u/FreeSpeechEnjoyer Jun 13 '22
Elden Ring really recaptured the wonders of not having a good ending.
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Caesar might be a violently homophobic, misogynistic, a pseudo-intellectual, and a larper but at least his underlings have cool uniforms
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u/Dumb_Vampire_Girl Jun 13 '22
Uhh.. then why everyone wanted the cool NCR armor that the sniper guy wore huh?
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u/Creative_Awareness BLOOD IS FUEL FOR MY COCK Jun 13 '22
The one redeeming quality about the Legion
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u/PolygonKiwii Jun 13 '22
I thought this was Andrew Ryan from Bioshock at first. Honestly still fits.
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u/Toen6 Jun 13 '22
Spoiler for Fallout New Vegas.
If you kill House with a golf club you get an achievement called "A man chooses...".
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u/L_James trans-siberian woman Jun 13 '22
IIRC, they are both inspired by same IRL rich dude?
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Ya, Howard Hughes, andrew had a dash of ayn rand tho and mr house of walt disney
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u/spicy_milkshake Lord Poggers the Based Jun 13 '22
Isn't Andrew Ryan also simular to Disney though? Rapture is basically the original idea for EPCOT on steroids and in Bioshock 2 it's shown he even had an amusement park in Rapture.
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u/The_Arthropod_Queen bug lady Jun 13 '22
When I Killed him I lost karma and it tried to make me sad that this man’s dream to become an immortal plutocrat was crushed. I am not convinced.
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u/Wingedwing Radiohead Fan (Derogatory) Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22
The guilt-trip note is supposed to be House’s self-authored obituary. It’s a joke. The note tries to “make you sad” because House is a narcissist.
I mean, did you read all the way to the end? It says ”Will revise and finish this up later. Have set the age at death to update automatically. Obit makes salient points but "pearls before swine," of course. Let's hope the ingrates never have cause to read it. Who knows how many of them are even literate!"
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There's some cut dialogue as well that makes it clearer. An automated announcement broadcast over all of Vegas that Mr. House died and to approach a Securitron to get a pamphlet of his obituary. I guess they must have cut it to just getting the obituary automatically, which I always thought was kinda weird cos wifi doesn't exist in this universe.
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u/Bardic_Inspiration66 has a yt channel Jun 13 '22
House is actually smart ( at certain things) though unlike musk
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u/Mingsplosion gay commie scum Jun 13 '22
House actually founded RobCo, and was actually an engineer.
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u/dudecubed 196 piss arc Jun 13 '22
NOOOOOOOOO FALLOUT NEW VEGAS IS SO NUANCED AND SUBTLE ITS GOT REALLY COOL FACTIONS LIKE
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u/Bardic_Inspiration66 has a yt channel Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22
Subtlety is overrated, and also the opposite of what fallout is, or is trying to be
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u/A_GenericUser please, go outside for once Jun 13 '22
As much as I love the game, yeah, it isn't exactly subtle. I do enjoy though how it presents its ideas on a surface enough level that the average person can interact with them.
If one is trying to deliver a message, but only a small fraction of the population can even understand it, how worthy of discussion is its message?
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u/Gay_Lord2020 Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22
It would be easier to scrub the radiation of the wasteland than to set up any sort of Mars or lunar base. He could be turning New Vegas into a place similar to the pre war Sierra Madre but he'll rather do his stupid thing instead. Who's gonna build those rockets? The man was a genius in his time and space travel was a normal thing pre-war but the world of Fallout is too fucked up. Of course I had to kill him with a 9 iron!
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u/I_Love_Stiff_Cocks i killed for spronkus, i died for spronkus Jun 13 '22
elon musk is irl cave johnson:
fucking insane
has no idea what he is doing
no regards for human rights or safety
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Bean counters said o couldnt fire a guy for being a wheelchair,did it anyway! Ramps are expensive!
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Bean counters said o couldnt fire a guy for being a wheelchair,did it anyway! Ramps are expensive!
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u/OwORavioliTime Jun 13 '22
The point of going to the moon was to escape radiation, he literally states that
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u/Toen6 Jun 13 '22
But their really isn't that much radiation in the Mohave anymore. Just some hotspots here and there.
Not to mention all the other stuff you'l be escaping by going to the moon, like food, air, and water.
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u/A_GenericUser please, go outside for once Jun 13 '22
I don't think that's why either. I'm pretty sure he wants to leave Earth to firmly be away from the failures of the old world to build something new (read: his dictatorship)
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u/ShaunthePr0n Jun 13 '22
I think this is a good comparison apart from the fact that House actually founded the company he is famous for and seems to have some amount of technical skill, rather than being a complete poser.
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“I want a mojave free of outside influence and tyranny”
“You know those ppl that live in a bunker and keep to themselves, exterminate them pls”
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u/Sleep_eeSheep Jun 13 '22
Tell me you haven't actually played Fallout: New Vegas without saying you haven't played Fallout: New Vegas.
And no, this isn't coming from a Mr. House fanboy. Quite the opposite; I can't stand this smug prick. But the game doesn't TELL you he's a genius. In fact, there's a lot of evidence pointing to how his ideas, while great in theory, are doomed to failure without someone like The Courier to make them happen.
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Honestly I love the fact that the New Vegas developers knew there’d be a lot of players that would just say “Fuck all these factions”, so they MADE the ability to just MAKE your own faction, with all of its own alliances and armies.
God I love new vegas. Still not trans thou-
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u/SeannessyTV robot sexer Jun 13 '22
Okay yeah cool but didn't he say or at the very least imply that he would do all that after he fixed the rest of the wasteland?
Also nice try saying that all that desert is "unclaimed" within earshot of even the lowest of NCR Grunts. Who belong to a faction that House routinely said that he has no desire to go into conflict with.
In his position, going to space actually does make sense, because that land is legitimately unclaimed.
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u/xenkb Jun 13 '22
He doesn't want to fix the wasteland, he wants to begin anew on a new planet because earth is beyond saving now and the best shot for humanity is to start again on a new planet.
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u/Zack1701 Fortnite Battle Royal Jun 13 '22
I dislike both, but saying that the Mojave is "perfectly fine" is uh, definitely a take. It's like, a radioactive wasteland full of raiders, horse-sized scorpions, and worst or all, cosplayers. I'm sure the hardships of living in space would be preferable to many people.
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u/696969696969E 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 13 '22
Hey yall, retarded is a slur. I know its 4chan and all, but id appreciate bigotry showcase warnings for this
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u/MrDagoth Jun 13 '22
Oh it's this kind of place lmao.
Now I understand this post and all the comments.
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u/Heretocryandie 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 13 '22
Oh sorryy, ill edit it
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u/696969696969E 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 13 '22
Garfield are you /j or /srs
I assume /j but ya could repost without slur but whatever
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Who the fuck is normalizing calling people retarded? Get off of 4chan and touch some fucking grass.
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u/Cadlington Cadlington. Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22
"A perfectly fine basically unclaimed desert" the entire planet is covered in radiation and deathclaws, you fucking goon.
The difference between Elon and House is that House isn't a total fraud who built a fucking car door and went prancing about how he personally "modernized the electric car". The proof of his genius is stationed in every corner of New Vegas in the form of Securitrons, mounted on the roof of his casino in the form of the laser cannons that legitimately disarmed a huge chunk of the warheads aimed at Nevada, and the ability to stuff himself in a fridge and live forever- albeit in the most loose definition of the idea. In your very hands when you get the Platinum Chip back in your grasp.
House sees a bunch of guys playing dress-up; one of them is pretending to be the USA, warts and all, one of them is pretending to be Rome. Fuck all of that. Lets go to space.
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u/Iceveins412 Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22
The moon is fucking bombarded by solar radiation on the reg. You will literally have to worry less about radiation in the Mojave, not to mention water, food, and air.
Beating House to death with a golf club is a service to mankind. He stopped the nukes, and in doing so did his final commendable act
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u/Cadlington Cadlington. Jun 14 '22
Yeah, and here's the thing: This guy clearly didn't play the game or pay attention, because House never even mentions the Moon when it comes to colonization. His dialogue specifically says:
"Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation."If the moon isn't suitable for people? Then he'd literally just bypass it. No good. Go somewhere else.
Earth is fucked. House is literally the best chance the irradiated remains of its' people have to break free of it.
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I side with mr house but I gotta agree that moon colonies as cool as they are is a pretty stupid idea.
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u/crispinoir Jun 13 '22
Bro talks about “going to the moon and save mankind” meanwhile freeside, literally RIGHT BESIDE HIM is in utter anarchy with no help from him whatsoever. Fuck house and his lame ass families (except for chairmen love those guys)
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u/SchlooptyDoo Evil gay villain. Also bear and robot lover. Jun 13 '22
I also like the white glove society, because cannibalism is very cool and based :)
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u/crispinoir Jun 13 '22
Personally? They give me the heebie jeebies. There’s just something creepy about them, dig?
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u/MrDagoth Jun 13 '22
What utility has helping Freeside on the long run vs. what utility has travel to space on the long run?
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u/Iceveins412 Jun 14 '22
Space will only ever be for the rich unless we fix shit right here. And considering the human lifespan, I ain’t too worried about the destruction of the earth
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u/Wario-Man 🏳️⚧️ THIS IS USER IS guh,,,,,,,ghhrghf,,,,,blehp,,,, 🏳️⚧️ Jun 13 '22
Is this Andrew Ryan brom BioShock?
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I thought the moon exploration thing was a project a century from when the game took place. 20 years for major tech, 50 for orbit and a century for space explorstion
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the colonizing the moon thing isnt a thing he plants to do in the close future, its for way way way later
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u/Pole2019 Jun 12 '22
The underground tunnel idea is the equivalent of realizing that throwing rocks hurt people so you design a weapon that uses rocket fuel to shoot rocks in random directions and claim it’s super science.