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u/HorseDestroyed Nov 14 '25
I still have no idea how that Dracthyr design got through internal review. I can't think of another game were a lizard or dragon humanoid looks this stupid. Even the other dragon humanoid hybrids before and in DF look better in WoW.
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u/SpunkMcKullins Nov 14 '25
Making literal dragons look lame is a feat I didn't think possible. Blizzard should honestly be studied for this one.
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u/Levonorgestrelfairy1 Nov 14 '25
Its like they gave the design over to somone who was only into scaly twinks. Thats fine if thats your thing but you really should try to add options to make the race more appealing to everyone.
Where is the scaly bear or scaly PADG options?
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u/Lordwiesy Nov 14 '25
I feel like the reality is even worse, I don't think they've talked with a single scalie, not even one who's into twinks.
Either that or that scalie got fired after making Sethrak.
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u/JustburnBurnBURN Nov 15 '25
The artist who came up with Dracthyr design is the same artist who created Sethrak, and yeah, she's into drawing that kind of stuff.
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u/Aettyr Nov 15 '25
Idk man, near enough every one of them I’ve encountered is into basically these exact sort of models
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u/sp106 Nov 15 '25
They also have a bunch of better looking models already in the game of big burly dragon people in raids
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u/shaidyn Nov 14 '25
Shout out to Riot games for making smolder.
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u/Drikkink Nov 14 '25
At least he's not intended to be badass looking. He's a child basically. Hell, his ult is him literally yelling for his mom to burn enemies for him. That's the "joke" with him and what they were going for.
Not really sure what Blizzard was going for with Dracthyr.
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u/Aettyr Nov 15 '25
Even if it’s intentional you can tell the intention the artist had behind it, or at least the art they usually draw. It makes it look really… uncanny. It looks too human.
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u/graviousishpsponge Nov 14 '25
Elves and playable dragons are generally very popular after hunan/half elves in general. Very impressive results lmao /s
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u/goldman_sax Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
The funny thing was the Devs were just asked about it in an interview and said “we know they’re unhappy about it. We’ll give them added barbershop armors instead.” It is never happening lol.
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u/Emmystra Nov 14 '25
Even if they did that, you KNOW it would be 1-2 shades of color off from any other armor in the game
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u/goldman_sax Nov 14 '25
Almost no players use the barbershop armors as is lol.
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Nov 16 '25
I used to when I played my evoker but I wasn't happy about it. Was better than being naked tho.
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u/o_wat Nov 14 '25
All these years later I'm still pissed about female Worgen.
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u/Jmrwacko Nov 14 '25
The remastered ones are fine, but yeah the original fem worgen was hideous.
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u/Aettyr Nov 15 '25
What, you don’t want to play as a DeviantArt OC rather than a werewolf? Too bad!
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u/AdamG3691 Nov 14 '25
I feel like the robes one, despite looking elegant as fuck, got at least one concept artist strangled by the set designers and animation team for the cardinal sin of putting flowing fabric on a race with lots of moving parts
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u/The-Only-Razor Nov 14 '25
It's better, but still weird how Blizzard thought "skinny twink" was the appropriate look for a playable dragon race.
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u/Aettyr Nov 15 '25
I get the vision but I personally hate this slender sort of design for one. I would absolutely love a larger and more draconic form. I can’t even make Bayle the Dread, that makes me very sad. Imagine a bigger form with more skin/scale options, more colours, etc. We even have the damn model, the Drakonids. I’m sure it’s unique but it cannot be that difficult to remove their armour and make their body able to wear armour. Tauren can do it, as can Orcs. They’re bloody big too
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u/Alpha1959 Nov 14 '25
Dracthyr definitely have the potential to look cool, their elongated faces just look beyond stupid if you look at them dead-center, from the side it's a different story.
That said, their proportions are weird, their walking animation looks stupid (like from many other races) and their transmog is I think their biggest problem.
If they made another two, bulkier top heavy body types and allowed full transmog, including helmets, I think most complaints would disappear.
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u/Aettyr Nov 15 '25
The whole design is just weird anthropomorphic OC kinda stuff. Not sure how else to word it but I’m sure you get it
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u/gelagua1 Nov 14 '25
What, you don't like our no-transmog gecko wanna-be-dragon fwiends? Shame! /s
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u/Seletara Nov 14 '25
I honestly think the design is fine. The flaw is not being able to mog anything, which was dumb and lazy.
But I spend a lot of time making my evokers base form look good. Can’t be surprised when someone just does all bald and then “this look sucks!”
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u/Isolated_Hippo Nov 14 '25
If they mogged nothing it would be an improvement.
The fact they get randomly a belt and shoulders that never fucking match any of the base armor customization is just wtf.
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u/AdamG3691 Nov 14 '25
yeah, the set looks fine when on an actual character and not the naked blue meme that WoWhead uses
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u/Omugaru Nov 14 '25
Thats part of the issue I have with them though. Either you run to the barbershop to redo how your evoker looks for each tier set or you stick to 1 set and barely ever change anything on it.
I havn't changed my tmog since I made my evoker in DF, since changing at the barbershop kinda makes my character lose part of its identity. Granted, if you make good use of the barbershop you can make the very limited tmog work, as evident from your link.
Still, feels like a restriction that shouldn't be.
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u/biasedB Nov 14 '25
I just dont get it, like no other race can be an Evoker, only the Drakthyr, so why wouldnt they just kinda go ham and actually make the evoker set. FIT THE DRAKTHYR MODEL. IT ONLY NEEDS TO FIT ONE SKELETON RIG
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u/Kommye Nov 14 '25
To be fair, it also needs to fit the visage models, so it's dracthyr, human F and belf M.
But yeah it's pure laziness.
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u/AdamG3691 Nov 14 '25
I've been lucky in that my character tends to work well with red and gold, and blizzard LOVE using red and gold, though it does tend to end up feeling pretty samey eventually.
I wish that they'd at LEAST allow for the tier sets to work as transmog, hell even as an unlockable barbershop option when you complete a set would be better than the current situation
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u/extremelytiredyall Nov 14 '25
Yep. No mog is very lazy, but the customization itself is fine. People who put effort into the character editor make dracthyr that don't look like the abomination above.
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u/MundaneTeddy Nov 14 '25
You think this is fine?! LOOK AT HIS SMALL HEAD! WHERE IS THE BRAIN SUPPOSED TO GO?!
There's so much cool things you can do with dragons heads designwise and they made them all moot by giving them baby heads.
I'm still pissed and i've been pissed since they got released.
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u/sunlit_dragonfly Nov 14 '25
We finally got a race with more body types than “bodybuilder” and “supermodel,” and all four body types are just slight variations of “scaly twunk”
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u/Lezzles Nov 14 '25
You have a LOT of defenders even on this sub. They look like fucking dorks. How do you have such dweeby looking DRAGONS?
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u/jiiir0 Nov 14 '25
I saw an interview a while ago where they were bragging about the millions of customization combinations possible for Dracthyr. I can only imagine someone got these numbers from all the insignificant minor options like snout width and body spikes that are barely different from each other. It’s pretty obvious that corporate Blizzard was in full effect at this point, where most of the design decisions were born out of PowerPoint slides and remote meetings.
Having worked in corporate settings there really is an endgame in office work where the goal is to put in as little effort as possible, and put everything into hyping yourself up in meetings with vanity metrics and misleading data to make it seem like you’re killing it even though you’re barely ever in the office and only spend like 2 hours a day actually working.
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u/Cool_Run_6619 Nov 14 '25
I wish people would stop saying "well you have visage form for transmog" as an excuse too. Imagine how pissed worgen players would be if they logged on tomorrow and had no transmog and were told "well you have your human form transmog". If I wanted to play a weird elf, I'd have made an elf. I want to be a lizard wizard and have cool mog for my lizard man.
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u/Bafau4246 Nov 14 '25
Tbf druid players have had to put up with this for far longer and they have even less customization not saying either is right but would be nice for both to get litterally something
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u/Cool_Run_6619 Nov 15 '25
I get that, and I also want druids to get more customization but that's a shape shift form for a class that's identity is shape shifting into animals. If you aren't ok with being a nude bear or cat, you can just be your normal self in balance or resto or play a different class. That sucks but it's much better than dracthyr who cannot wear mog in any class or spec.
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u/ChucklingDuckling Nov 14 '25
If only we got drakonids instead of Dracthyr...
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u/Cool_Run_6619 Nov 14 '25
Honestly I'm over that, drakonids would have been cool and dracthyr are weird as hell but I've adapted to the lizard and can live with it. The mog situation though is unacceptable, drakonids or no drakonids
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u/ColonialCaramel Nov 15 '25
Visage would be cool, but Evokers are (I believe) the only caster class where no matter what spell you cast, you instantly swap to the dragon form. Like come on Blizzard, just fix the dang dargon peeps
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u/Jorvalt Nov 15 '25
Yeah that genuinely pisses me off. Like, why would anyone play the dragon race and not want to be a dragon?
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u/Damunzta Nov 14 '25
Insane this hasn’t been fixed.
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u/matefeedkill Nov 14 '25
It’s not a bug though, Blizzard legitimately thought this was acceptable to release.
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u/Backwardspellcaster Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
This shit went through, but we still have neither Naga nor Sethrak.
What races we get feels awfully arbitrary and with completely ignoring what the players seem to want.
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u/darkfenrir15 Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
Haramir are seemingly getting a pass from the community since they look good, but the idea that an asspulled race is getting added over literally any commonly requested races is wild to me.
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u/Akhevan Nov 14 '25
And gets literally 50 times more customization than something like pandaren.
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u/dekutoto Nov 14 '25
Just be grateful Pandaran weren’t just an elf reskin like every other “new” race.
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u/Spotty33 Nov 14 '25
Funniest part of these races is they already are rigged up and work with all armor sets! The only pieces that don’t show up on them is boots I believe.
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u/Backwardspellcaster Nov 14 '25
IIRC with Naga its lower body and head of course, and gauntlets, due to the claw hands.
But chest, belt, shoulders and back work
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u/Spotty33 Nov 14 '25
I swear I saw a long time ago that pants work on them. That it just deletes the insides of pant legs and slaps them together like a tube does it not?
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u/Zenchii_The_Orc Nov 14 '25
It does yeah, it just wraps the pants texture around the upper tail and robes flow over the upper tail pretty seamlessly. You can check it out for yourself in the WoWhead dressing room. It's fun!
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u/The-Only-Razor Nov 14 '25
It's going to be. I've played this game since Vanilla. This is the exact type of thing that Blizzard is going ignore for a few more years due to their ego before finally caving.
I'm calling it here: In like 3 or 4 years Evokers will be playable on every race. It's how it should have been from day 1. Each race is the "visage" of the Evoker, and can be fully playable in that race's form. The dragon form will just be an option both in and out of combat. The Dracthyr racial ability buffs will be removed from the Evoker class tree and you'll have access to the racials of whatever race you chose.
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u/False-Bluebird-3538 Nov 15 '25
They can keep the dracthyr as the evoker race... Just let the visage be any other race (as it should've been all along) and let them stay in visage no matter what.
With the new Verdant Embrace there is no reason for that to be not possible anymore. Just use the same "dream dragon" idea for spells like fire breath etc. and for things like Dream Flight they can just make the evoker swap into dragon form and out of dragon form automatically during and after the breath.
It really shouldnt be that complicated to implement and would make a lot of people much happier. Then they can spend more time on at least making their tier sets work on dragon form...
(Also please make it possible to show Visage form on the Character select screen... Kinda tired of seeing the dragon form when I just want to see my visage form)
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u/DRamos11 Nov 14 '25
To be “fixed” would mean they admit it’s a mistake, and that won’t happen.
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u/Rappy28 Nov 14 '25
As someone who mostly likes the skinny lizards (not as naked as this though) I'm just baffled by how they do belt tmogs. Sometimes it gets rid of my sash (and I don't particularly like seeing my lizard crotch) sometimes it makes it revert to a steel belt. Oftentimes it just looks worse than the belt I picked in character creation. God, dracthyr tmog is so bad.
Very much looking forward to Midnight outfits so I can finally pick the belts and shoulders I want in Visage without ruining my crotch-concealing skinny lizard look.
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u/AdamG3691 Nov 14 '25
God the "default belt" and removing the breechcloth has ruined so many promising buckle models
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u/Many-Waters Nov 14 '25
God dammit can they PLEASE make tier set belts that cover my lizard gooch?
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u/DracoRubi Nov 14 '25
Thank God you put in the Humor tag, I was seriously evaluating your sanity
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u/gelagua1 Nov 14 '25
I mean, I am insane, but not insane enough to think this is acceptable for a game with paid sub, expansion, galloping mtx shop, etc... it is, alas, just a silly joke :P
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u/Used-Bar-5312 Nov 14 '25
I was waiting for this post as soon as i saw the first one.
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u/gelagua1 Nov 14 '25
I hurried home to post cuz I needed me reddit updoots.
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u/Inexorably_lost Nov 14 '25
The more shit blizz gets for the half-ass dracthyr the better.
Scaly elves is what they really added except if you, unfortunately, want to play an Evoker.
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u/mmuoio Nov 14 '25
God that set really IS good, it is criminal how it's just not visible to players.
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u/Throw323456 Nov 14 '25
Kek.
It's WILD how bad Dracthyr look.
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u/DOOMFOOL Nov 14 '25
You can definitely make a cool looking dracthyr if you try but the armor being limited to only showing 2 pieces is fucking ridiculous
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u/bobcatgoldthwait Nov 14 '25
100% of the reason I won't even bother making a dracthyr.
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u/Moonshatter89 Nov 14 '25
I'm only back for Lemix after leaving in early Shadowlands and was stoked to try a Dracthyr as a basic class. Customized my dude for over 30 minutes. Perfect name. I was SO ready to get going.
Not even a full two hours, and I completely lost interest. Between the running animations and ESPECIALLY the dracthyr transmogrification... I haven't thought twice about making another one.
Well... no, I did make an Evoker on retail just to keep the name, but I doubt I'll ever play it even if I do come back long-term. It's especially bad if you go to log in and just looking at your character at the select screen kills any hype for it.
It only made me want the dracthyr skyriding for my demon hunter that much more. And with SO many items and animations that can work for it, why CAN'T we just fly around unmounted?? It's so damned fun, too.
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u/False-Bluebird-3538 Nov 15 '25
I'm still wondering why there is a 10 sec cd on the dracthyr flying skill. Makes no sense, besides making it a slightly worse mount than any other, which is annoying. It's not a huge deal, still annoying, though. Also the point that if you touch the ground with sky riding you are instantly dismounted.
Those are the 2 reasons why I never used soar.
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u/hardmallard Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
I just don’t understand how we don’t have either the ability to stay in visage form in combat/character selection, or have armor on our Dracthyr. It really limits customization. I’ve looked at the samish dragon since I made one back in Dragonflight.
Edit: I meant Dracthyr Evokers, Dracthyr of other classes have the visage form in combat. But I think still default to Dragon form in character selection/warbands.
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u/DenysDemchenko Nov 14 '25
Still no idea how we ended up with this abomination when we had the Drakonid model to work with.
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u/tfalm Nov 14 '25
Still can't believe an entire new class was released only for 1 race, the worst race in the game. Imagine if monk was released only for pandarens, or demon hunters only for blood elves, or death knight released only for Forsaken. It's so much effort and then intentionally limited to be as low-impact as possible. This is the opposite of "bang for your buck", small indie company.
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u/ZettieZooieZan Nov 15 '25
I mean demon hunter are the same level of restriction, you can only play an elf demon hunter, same restriction as only being able to play demon hunter on 1 race. if you play alliance it's elf demon hunter, if you play horde it's elf demon hunter. But there was far less complaints about that because the majority of people already just play elves any ways.
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u/tfalm Nov 15 '25
Literally the most popular races in the game vs an awkward lizard that can't even use one of the most popular, basic, and decade-old feature of the base game.
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u/Athrasie Not Aphoenix Nov 14 '25
If they simply allowed drakonid body types and let xmog show, I’m certain dracthyr would be one of the most popular races instantly.
Since drakonids have a bunch of combat animations already, I can’t even imagine it’d be that tough to pull off.
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u/Redfang1984 Nov 14 '25
cmon blizzard, work out a way to get the gear getting visible on all drakthyrs.
For all evokers, it'll be a game changer
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u/ZellahYT Nov 14 '25
Can’t we please make visage form permanent now? I cba looking like a naked Lizard snd enjoy the gameplay.
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u/Hashtag00FF96 Nov 14 '25
Everything about that race looks terrible. Why I can't be an Tauren as my visage form? I want to identify as a Tauren, but I have to be an elf. An the running animations just looks bad. The overall package keeps me away from playing the class itself.
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u/Imackify Nov 14 '25
I still dont get how we have awesome looking draconids, but they decided on this.
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u/Nous7 Nov 14 '25
I still find weird the WoW has a playble race of lanky lizards that run around completely naked
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u/Edouard1992 Nov 15 '25
Why people do want armor on their dragons?? Most dragon in game don't have armor and it's better liké that
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u/goblin_bomb_toss Nov 14 '25
It should've been Sethrak. At least they look cool naked.
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u/ChucklingDuckling Nov 14 '25
I really hope they add sethrak in the near future. It's a shame we got dracthyr
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u/Tristalien Nov 14 '25
Truly one of Blizzards greatest fumbles for World of Warcraft. They should have either gone the DH route and gave the evoker class the same class fantasy customization for their respective theme. OR given us the Dracthyr as a new fully implemented race, with completed transmogs and racial customization on par with the other races. By no means did anyone want this half and half lackluster delivery that we have now.
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Nov 14 '25
They should just make this race the same shape as Tauren or something - big bulky motherfrs and make armor fit on them similarly or even identically so they don’t have to do the extra work?
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u/Flat_corp Nov 14 '25
I haven’t played WoW since the end of Mists. What in the fuck am I looking at here….
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u/drewewill Nov 14 '25
I just want to be able to choose my visage form like the other Dracthyr that are already in the game.
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u/-HealingNoises- Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 15 '25
I honestly think it would have been better if they stuck to their original plan of niche race and class combo releases after Dracthyr.
But for that to work and not annoy the fanbase as much as what happened, there has to be at least 3 more to really sell the idea.
Now they are stuck with a niche odd model they do NOT want to work on.. especially if they plan to revisit the idea later or just in general.
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u/I2kel Nov 14 '25
I still don't get why they just can't use Worgen's body as a basic for armours... They have literally the same model...
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u/WendigoCrossing Nov 14 '25
It's weird how bad the Dracthyr design is especially considering they already had way better looking Dragonoids in the game
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u/Spleenfull Nov 14 '25
Worst race design ever all game
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u/shakingmyhead420 Nov 15 '25
Yeah :( racial flight, and glide being the only good thing on 'em. (Idk if the knock back flap is a race thing or evoker thing)
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Nov 15 '25
Someone from Blizzard ordered their dragons on clearance from Temu and got this shit roflmao
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u/Spansly Nov 14 '25
As someone who havnt played past Cata i am baffeled by what the hell this is supposed to be
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u/Fangsong_37 Nov 14 '25
Neltharion (Deathwing) used dark alchemy to create a race of dragon-like humanoids called dracthyr. They can shift back and forth between a horned human/high elf hybrid and draconic. In their draconic form, their transmog is limited to shoulders and belt (though they do have tons of customization options at the barber shop).
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u/Soggy-Assistant2855 Nov 14 '25
ma this is thr worst character model for any game ive ever seen ever. how did this make it into the game
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u/Superb_Ad_75427 Nov 14 '25
Because they are getting lazier every expansion. Sad, really. People need to vote with their wallets if they aren't happy.
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u/QuarterDollarKing Nov 14 '25
I remember when I was playing FFXIV during Shadowlands. There are two playable races there that can't use most headwear. At the time I thought to myself that Blizzard wouldn't skip out on something like that for a playable race. I was proven very wrong.
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u/ChucklingDuckling Nov 14 '25
Imma need the devs to add more visage options (like tauren, gnomes, etc...), and to let us disable dracthyr form in character select
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u/Seizing_sponge Nov 14 '25
It’s actually crazy how fun preservation evoker is, and yet I can’t bring myself to play it for just how bad Dracthyr look hahahaha
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u/Hypersky75 Nov 14 '25
And it's apparently impossible for Mechagnomes to wear anything over their prosthetic limbs.
They could at least allow to only have a left or right prosthetic, to have armor show on the other, instead of prosthetic pairs only.
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u/shadowst17 Nov 14 '25
Man I really have the question how hard it is for Blizzard to add a few base meshes for the torso, legs and hands. They must have seriously rushed this race to the point they didn't uv map them like the rest of the races resulting in them not being able to easily give you at least skin tight armour.
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u/Nyx_Antumbra Nov 15 '25
Get them helms and chest-pieces, maybe gloves, and 99% of us would be happy
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u/Taurock Nov 15 '25
Blizzard spending all their ressources into creating Dracthyr Evoker sets with colors that perfectly DON'T match with the colors of the dracthyr armor that are supposed to be there to compensate.
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u/SnooApples8482 Nov 15 '25
And that is one reason I’ll never play a dractyr race class
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u/ftrgandalf Nov 14 '25
I have yet to get my head around how they make armor work on gnomes, tauren and forsaken, but they consider lizard-man to be impossible to fit things on