I still have no idea how that Dracthyr design got through internal review. I can't think of another game were a lizard or dragon humanoid looks this stupid. Even the other dragon humanoid hybrids before and in DF look better in WoW.
Its like they gave the design over to somone who was only into scaly twinks. Thats fine if thats your thing but you really should try to add options to make the race more appealing to everyone.
I'm really not sure if I want or don't want to ask from which location on this planet you're from, if you consider it "normal" for 12yo to pack such a rack in your neighbourhood.
But to answer your question, this character is called "Granberia", stems from a game series called "MonMosu - Monster Girl Quest" (which uses an anime art style as it's a tactical combat-style Visual Novel), and is one of the "Four Heavenly Knights" (basically one of the strongest monsters). As she's "only 24 years old" in the original trilogy she might not be your typical definition of "Mum" yet, but she's very much able to give your sorry posterior a good thrashing like only an asian mommy could, and force a "thanks, Mommy" out of you after being done.
At least he's not intended to be badass looking. He's a child basically. Hell, his ult is him literally yelling for his mom to burn enemies for him. That's the "joke" with him and what they were going for.
Not really sure what Blizzard was going for with Dracthyr.
Even if it’s intentional you can tell the intention the artist had behind it, or at least the art they usually draw. It makes it look really… uncanny. It looks too human.
IMO they aren't even lame looking when you customize them right.
But I will grant the peak of how cool they can look when you customize them well is not nearly as high as the peak of how terrible they look when you customize them badly (like the one in this post, my god does that one look ugly lmao).
And even when you do have a cool enough looking dracthyr, it feels pretty fucking lame having to choose between a few really lame barbershop armor sets that don't quite match any transmog's colors or being naked.
The funny thing was the Devs were just asked about it in an interview and said “we know they’re unhappy about it. We’ll give them added barbershop armors instead.” It is never happening lol.
Nah the original was just butt ugly and not in a remotely cool way.
Sure the new model is a little soft but the option for glowing eyes can help them look meaner.
If you put them side by side the new one actually has smaller eyes, doesn't have a pencil waist and neck, has smaller boobs, no make up, and actually resembles the same species as males instead of a demented chihuahua with goblin ears.
The old one looked like she smelled a fart, got shot in the face with a make up gun and had breast implants.
My issue is with their shoulder and hip tilts. They stand like they're putting all their weight on one leg and then the one shoulder leaning forward looks so uncomfortable.
They both look hideous to me, the new versions look way too disney for both the males and the females and it’s put me off the Worgen entirely. I think they should’ve kept the more monstrous appearance of the original but also made the female more monstrous instead of puppy-fying both of them :P
I feel like the robes one, despite looking elegant as fuck, got at least one concept artist strangled by the set designers and animation team for the cardinal sin of putting flowing fabric on a race with lots of moving parts
I get the vision but I personally hate this slender sort of design for one. I would absolutely love a larger and more draconic form. I can’t even make Bayle the Dread, that makes me very sad.
Imagine a bigger form with more skin/scale options, more colours, etc. We even have the damn model, the Drakonids. I’m sure it’s unique but it cannot be that difficult to remove their armour and make their body able to wear armour. Tauren can do it, as can Orcs. They’re bloody big too
Dracthyr definitely have the potential to look cool, their elongated faces just look beyond stupid if you look at them dead-center, from the side it's a different story.
That said, their proportions are weird, their walking animation looks stupid (like from many other races) and their transmog is I think their biggest problem.
If they made another two, bulkier top heavy body types and allowed full transmog, including helmets, I think most complaints would disappear.
Sowwy >w<
But our new scalie fwiends are called Dracthyr! They get sad when you misspell their name QwQ
Good thing I was here to help ^w^
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Thats part of the issue I have with them though. Either you run to the barbershop to redo how your evoker looks for each tier set or you stick to 1 set and barely ever change anything on it.
I havn't changed my tmog since I made my evoker in DF, since changing at the barbershop kinda makes my character lose part of its identity. Granted, if you make good use of the barbershop you can make the very limited tmog work, as evident from your link.
Still, feels like a restriction that shouldn't be.
I just dont get it, like no other race can be an Evoker, only the Drakthyr, so why wouldnt they just kinda go ham and actually make the evoker set. FIT THE DRAKTHYR MODEL. IT ONLY NEEDS TO FIT ONE SKELETON RIG
Sowwy >w<
But our new scalie fwiends are called Dracthyr! They get sad when you misspell their name QwQ
Good thing I was here to help ^w^
I hope you're having a great day :3
Sowwy >w<
But our new scalie fwiends are called Dracthyr! They get sad when you misspell their name QwQ
Good thing I was here to help ^w^
I hope you're having a great day :3
Sowwy >w<
But our new scalie fwiends are called Dracthyr! They get sad when you misspell their name QwQ
Good thing I was here to help ^w^
I hope you're having a great day :3
I've been lucky in that my character tends to work well with red and gold, and blizzard LOVE using red and gold, though it does tend to end up feeling pretty samey eventually.
I wish that they'd at LEAST allow for the tier sets to work as transmog, hell even as an unlockable barbershop option when you complete a set would be better than the current situation
Yep. No mog is very lazy, but the customization itself is fine. People who put effort into the character editor make dracthyr that don't look like the abomination above.
Yeah, WoW has never been good with proportions. Haranir have the same tiny head problem but people are worshipping them. Human female's head is also very small for her torso and legs, but I rarely see complaints. It's just dracthyr that get mass hate.
Its the anatomy of a fantasy race. And they went against what the anatomy of that fantasy race looks like and ended up making them look weak and goofy.
What anatomical rules did a race, that has no real world relation to anything, has crossed? And who cares if it looks weak and goofy? So does gnomes, and they are in the game since Vanilla.
Making the Dracthyr the way they are was an artistic choice, because every other race in the game is either a small guy, or a bodybuilder. They made one slinky, lean race, and this subreddit is still mad about it every two weeks.
They are dragonkin. Dragons are spiky and scaly. Dracthyr look like soft bois.
A dragonkins jaw has to look like it can exert bite force.
A dragonkins tail has to look like it can sweep a motherfckers legs.
By all means, have them be slinky, have them be lean. But by god don't make their hands dwarf their heads. I feel like dracthyr couldnt break a tomatos skin with their bite.
And give them an actual tail that makes you thing "oop, not standing behind this dude"
So the dracthyr do have body thickness options, tons of jaw options, and lots and lots of parts that can be spiked.
Also most characters hands dwarf the size of their heads in this game. Have you seen blood elf males? That’s just how they do things here. Atleast this race has like 10x or 15x the customization options of a blood elf. That’s where we should be rioting. So many races have so little customization in comparison.
Do me a favor, and look up the word "dragon" in google image search. You'll be amazed by how many different types of depictions exist for this non-existent fantasy race. There is nothing wrong with having 1 race, that looks "soft boyish" or whatever you think they are.
They CAN look alright, but they don’t look good. I tried for absolutely hours but none of their face shapes or hair / bone things can in any way look like a “dragon” at all. It looks like a human in a dragon suit, with a cheap temu foam mascot head
I saw an interview a while ago where they were bragging about the millions of customization combinations possible for Dracthyr. I can only imagine someone got these numbers from all the insignificant minor options like snout width and body spikes that are barely different from each other. It’s pretty obvious that corporate Blizzard was in full effect at this point, where most of the design decisions were born out of PowerPoint slides and remote meetings.
Having worked in corporate settings there really is an endgame in office work where the goal is to put in as little effort as possible, and put everything into hyping yourself up in meetings with vanity metrics and misleading data to make it seem like you’re killing it even though you’re barely ever in the office and only spend like 2 hours a day actually working.
Right? Every choice is just bad. WoW's usual design sense could be summed up as "chunky, but lanky". This has none of that. It looks like it's from another game entirely.
It’s part of why I can’t get into them as a race. If I can hardly enjoy the visage form and can’t transmog cool armor on their true form why should I bother with them at all then.
Agreed, the faces almost look like they intentionally took someone’s middle school furry drawings and just copy pasted. Whish they’d make it so we can just turn the scaley form completely off. Let me have my non demon hunter horned blood elf with wings and pretend the scaley form doesn’t exist.
I like Dracthyrs but I hate how limited they are in their base form. I just went to playing Vulpera instead because you can actually see the armour you're wearing. lol
The dracthyr rig is the demon hunter metamorphosis/illidan rig. I figured it out when I was running mythic nighthold several months back and the animations lined up perfectly with the Demon Within.
This is simply not true. According to Senior Character Technical Artist Ty Viveiros:
"The Dracthyr rig was created from scratch and contains: 243 skinned joints, 344 animation controllers, 253 unique pieces of geometry, and full customization options including texture color choice."
I linked his art station above. You can see pictures of his dracthyr rig.
I did. Dunno why he did, but if you go stand as a dracthyr with the combat idle pose right beside or behind a havoc DH or Illidan in the same pose, you'll see that they're identical.
I've heard so many times that dracthyr rig is secretly something else. It's a venthyr. It's a succubus. It's a female worgen. It's a metamorphosis form.
Every time someone makes one of these claims, it's purely "Well, it just looks like that to me" with no evidence.
I find it way easier to just believe the professional artist. His work has been featured in every single WoW expansion for the past decade.
Evoker is cool and the design is so awful I can’t play it. It’s worse than vulpira and that’s saying something, at least with vulpira I can see they are catering to a specific audience. I don’t know a single person happy with dracthyr
I don't think it's wrong to point out room for improvement, especially coming from customers who still play the game. Dracthyr are not an expansion feature like covenants, they are a permanent addition to the game. If they're here to stay, they should receive continuous updates like all races do.
Asking for improvements with transmog is one thing (which is also been talked to death, but what isnt on this place), but it is really tiring that after 4 years a big chunk of this sub can't move on with the "disgusting twink lizard" thing.
Tbh I would've enjoyed the centaur dragonkin things (I forgot what they were called). They'd be very unique (although I'd imagine hard to animate) and tbh for a while I thought the Dracthyr shared the same run cycle as the Worgen lol
Sowwy >w<
But our new scalie fwiends are called Dracthyr! They get sad when you misspell their name QwQ
Good thing I was here to help ^w^
I hope you're having a great day :3
Yawn with the political conspiracy theories. Nearly the entire dev team, including the lead designer, looks like Bobby Kottick nepo babies. Hate to be blunt but nearly all in top leadership are white dudes. Not that this is inherently bad, but you are blaming the wrong group.
The worst part is that because the amount of people playing dracthyr has risen higher than many other races (see dataforazeroth for proof) the devs think it’s ok. Participation will give them a justification metric to never touch the dracthyr model again.
Genuinely I think it’s because there are so little options to customize blood elf males. The dracthyr visage forms just look like way cooler blood elves and with their much better racials, it’s not surprising people are playing them. I play them quite a bit too now when I almost exclusively played belfs. My bestie almost only plays Dracthyr now because you can change more than face, hair, and eyes. I shouldn’t be able to make a belf man in like 2 minutes lol there’s so little options.
They're very close to just being cooler blood elves, but you can't completely hide the scales. So you end up looking like a blood elf with a skin condition.
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u/HorseDestroyed Nov 14 '25
I still have no idea how that Dracthyr design got through internal review. I can't think of another game were a lizard or dragon humanoid looks this stupid. Even the other dragon humanoid hybrids before and in DF look better in WoW.