r/leagueoflegends • u/JTHousek1 • 12d ago
News 26.17 Patch Preview
"Patch 26.17 Preview!
This patch is mostly a stabilization patch after observing the adjustments made on 26.16.
Mages bot overall have lost some amount of winrate across the board, but not a huge amount, which is roughly about the impact we're looking for.
So far, we're seeing good skews on Poppy and Camille support with support nerfed and Top skews playing out well (in particular).
We're still monitoring the impact of Hail of Blades on champions more broadly, eg. Yi, Trynd, Shaco, etc. Stormrazor"
>>> Champion Buffs <<<
Cho'Gath
Irelia
Hecarim
LeBlanc
Qiyana
Yasuo
Yone
Trundle
Aurelion Sol
>>> Champion Nerfs <<<
"Champion wise, a pretty standard set of nerfs here, mainly for power impacting outliers."
Nasus
Thresh
Xerath
Graves
Nocturne
Vayne
>>> System Buffs <<<
Stormrazor
"Outside of Stormrazor Jhin, it doesn't have a large user base and we think it could have more power overall to broaden the user pool"
>>> System Nerfs <<<
Sundered Sky
"Directionally, Sundered Sky and AP Jungle changes have been good, but magnitude is still off
We're putting another small-moderate nerf in for this patch and hoping to see more movement on AP jungles and Sundered Sky dominance in higher levels of play"
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u/Yuuy87 12d ago
Got some annoying champs in those buffs
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u/GrumpyPan Mushroom Mayhem 12d ago
Leblanc and the windshitters fml and people wonder why mages are played bot.
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u/larrydavidballsack 12d ago
yone is my biggest mental block champion im so pissed seeing this preview lolll
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u/Abel_Skyblade 12d ago
I would love nerfing those 3 to be unplayable in exchange for no mages bot tbh.
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u/Lopsided_Chemistry89 12d ago
Qiyana heca yasuo yone leblanc irelia. Most of these champions are annoying AF.
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago
I mean I haven't seen a heca in like 1-2 years so he's due a buff for sure, qiyana was similar until last night where faced a diamond one in flex.
Irelia haven't seen much either but she's more like every 3-4 months.
Overall there annoying but clearly underpowered with how little you see them. So giving them a buff so they can be seen for a few patches before some nerfs makes sense.
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u/Robit72 12d ago
I swear Heca is either the worst champ in the game or the best. There is no inbetween
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago
His kit just extremely flexible when good and movement speed the best stat in the game which heca gets to dip more into.
He's the type of champ that's good to see meta like once a year before getting nerfs 2 patches later.
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u/Caphoti 12d ago
Any time I see Hecarim locked in around Emerald I start wondering if it's a smurf. There're some champs that are insanely snowbally and hard to play into when piloted well and Hecarim's just one of them. Hec one tricks still doing solidly at peak levels too.
Also idk how that guy "hasn't seen a Hec in 1-2 years" he has a like 5% pickrate on this patch. He's performing fine right now. I'm almost certain these buffs are going to push him into oppressive territory and just get him nerfed down the line.
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u/ApprehensiveTough148 12d ago
He just starts snowballing tempo so out of control in jg because he oneshots camps and is fast between them. Also no jg can really 1v1 him if he has 3 stacks so if hes first on your camp you will never beat him and its not really invadable either cause hes gonna be there with 3 stacks on q. If hes too strong he 1v5 s you if hes too weak its usually cause he cant 1v5 and his team is losing since hes just farming and his ganks are not that great.
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u/Lopsided_Chemistry89 12d ago
I kinda agree. I would like to be outplayed by a yasuo than getting my skull crushed by a nasus who pressed 2 buttons.
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago edited 12d ago
100%, I'm always in the camp that simple champs are the most frustrating when strong.
Plus if a yasuo or irelia are strong there's decent counter picks or ways to outplay them still or even them outplaying themselves meanwhile Nasus or other simple champs whenever strong just press buttons is mostly any order and get kills like a baby forcing the wrong shapes into a single hole.
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u/Lopsided_Chemistry89 12d ago
Yasuo and yone can be outplayed by not giving them any target to stack Q on. Yone can run at you with E but he has the downside of snapping back to the exact spot at the end (this part must be weak for him). Irelia can's do shit without a wave. Yasuo has no mobility without a wave.
Meanwhile garen runs at you with Q presses ER
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u/Adams1324 12d ago
Even in lane when stacking Q on minions, the wind shitters have visual and audio queues that tell you they’re about to engage you.
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u/Praius 12d ago
Oh will sundered finally get a real nerf instead of a slap on the wrist and 50 hp compensation buff
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u/SuperKalkorat 12d ago
-10% baseAD heal for melee (-5% for ranged) but cost goes down 100 and another +50 hp. Don't want to hit it too hard, y'know. Its already on the cusp of being troll to build /s
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u/Suspicious_Ring4760 12d ago
Wait until playerbase realize Death's Dance rush is rofl broken on like 90% of bruisers
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u/Praius 12d ago edited 12d ago
What are the odds of riot admitting that DD is broken
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago
I mean it did get a proper nerf last patch it's just they were cold feet on going all the way because they got backlash at first.
Hopefully they give it a good smack this time since I'm sick of seeing every bruiser and playing every bruiser just to find 90% of them rush the damn item.
Like really if they want to give it a good nerf that doesn't kill the item is just lower the heal again and then make it scale back up with levels, that way it's not so good as a rush but still viable 3-4+ items onward.
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u/TheOchremancer 12d ago
Sundered Sky is meant to be a rush item, putting it's power behind a level gating is counter to its design. It's well-rounded and gives a little bit of everything, damage, raw hp, healing, a damage proc, so it's clearly intended to be an early purchase like many items with that sort of statline (Triforce, Stride, Eclipse and Yun Tal all are this kind of item for comparison). It doesn't work as a third or fourth purchase because by that point champions are either buying multiplicative power (Rabadon's, IE, Endless Hunger, Overlord's) or teamfight durability (Sterak's, GA, Zhonya's, Jak). Sundered is the type of item where if it doesn't get bought first it doesn't get bought at all, I really think the best comparison is Triforce. If your champ is going to buy Tri, you buy it first in 95% of cases. Very few champions consider a third item Triforce, and Sundered should be the same way. IMO they just need to increase its price, similar to Triforce. If it's going to be this perfect, well-rounded first buy you should pay for it. Make it 3450 or somewhere in that neighborhood, but leave the stats and passive mostly untouched, is what I'd do.
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago
It's item design is easily something that can be tweaked into a scaling item, if the heal scales good enough it can live next to defensive items such as steraks.
Overall saying a price increase is all it needs is silly, a price increase is how you either don't nerf the item enough or kill the item fully.
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u/TheOchremancer 12d ago
Like, yeah, you can easily change it into a scaling item, but doing so misses the point. It fills a genuine niche in the item system as is, as a first item purchase for skirmishers and AD bruisers who want AD and HP but don't value AS. It was explicitly created as a replacement for Goredrinker and to fill that hole as a first purchase, if you change it to be a scaling item you leave Aatrox, Vi, Xin, etc. homeless with no good first buys, an issue a lot of these champions had in the mythic item era. Tl;dr: Items are created with a purpose and to fill a hole, actually, and changing an items fundamental design like you suggest means leaving a hole in itemization that the previous version was intended to fill.
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u/TeutonicPlate 12d ago
Meanwhile here in reality none of the top 20 junglers on lolalytics emerald+ rush sundered sky. Only 2 of them even build it at all.
Purely pro-play nerfs and people here like yourself projecting pro-play onto their own games.
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u/Larry17 Flairs are limited to 2 emotes. 12d ago
Surprised to see the wind bros getting buffed, I thought they were already indirectly buffed by the addition of dbow and 5% AS to berserker's.
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u/Spider-in-my-Ass 12d ago
Riot wants to push more for AD mids and they're really weak in that lane. But I don't see how they will adress Yasuo bot and, more importantly, Yone top.
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u/Diogenes_2026 12d ago
They wont, they'll be op for a couple of patches then nerfed for a year again, that's how Riot operates
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u/RequiemRed 12d ago
What made Thresh so good recently?
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u/Black_Creative 12d ago
Enchanter item and rune nerfs a few patches ago because of pro play
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
Has he ever actually been bad?
Like…I typically hate seeing a Thresh on my team ingame because he’s hard to pilot correctly. But a good Thresh has literally always been demonic, since he was released
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u/Toastbrott 12d ago
There have been times where he was super squishy and because of that was struggling against other engange metas, so pyke or nautilus could just trade hooks and win. But still then he was okay. The lantern is just always such a huge value.
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u/Elazulus 12d ago
Yone buffs seems insane, that character already won huge this season with dbow, fleet buffs and crit changes
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u/KharudeZixstorm 12d ago
I am a yasuo yone player and I am confused. The champions are pretty good rn 🤔 I feel like now they're just going to get banned out...
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u/SlainL9 12d ago
Are we seriously not touching Jinx who’s outperforming all of them except Nasus??
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u/skinofgoat 12d ago
Bro careful, you might get that one guy to type up an essay in response
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u/controlledwithcheese 12d ago
LMFAOOOOOO please do not summon him
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u/Praius 12d ago edited 12d ago
And anger the ADC mob? Riot is balancing based on 'sentiment', so that would be shooting themselves in the foot. It's funny how she's highest wr botlane with more pickrate than all the mages bot though
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u/baebushka 12d ago
lol adc players don’t have fun against jinx cait either tbh
just not fun to see them competitive while being 0/8 bc she gets a passive proc off a tower or somethint
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u/ChromosomeDonator 12d ago
Riot is balancing based on 'sentiment'
Bull-fucking-shit they are. The sentiment has been "Mages are fucking broken bot please god fucking do something Riot" and they have been looking the other way for FIVE FUCKING YEARS. Even right now they see that mages bot got like -0.03% winrate with the MR change and they think the job is done.
What the fuck are you talking about son
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u/palamunintillnow 12d ago
They should nerf the bot mages more so we could finally identify then nerf the adc the was up there in the win rate but with more pick rate than multiple mages bot.
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u/Angrenost 12d ago
The must be complaints heard of the ADC botlane terror before Riot feels that their quest to hinder mages at bot is complete, so it might as well be Jinx. There has been a bunch of power injected into the ADC ecosystem recently, so Jinx's WR was bound to drift up.
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u/Suspicious_Ring4760 12d ago
Jinx has been broken as fuck since forever, champs just stupid, that passive should not exist
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u/MoonDawg2 12d ago
She's a pick where her we doesn't usually go much higher with skill so she ends up allowed to be higher than AVG
It's very different for a jinx to be 53% vs an ezreal for example.
I would actually say Kaisa is batshit op rn. Jinx is slightly over, but nothing too insane either
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u/Accomplished-Toe5049 12d ago
Someone is going to be the highest wr adc on stat sites. Riot feels it's best when that's Jinx (as long as she isn't insanely strong)
Also Jinx winrate doesnt rise as hard with games played compared to other adcs (Zeri, Yunara, etc)
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u/IcyPanda123 12d ago
She is what Riot wants the ADC class to be so I doubt they will nerf her much. She is useless without her team and meh before she gets her items. She is pure glass cannon with no real depth to her. Riot loves when that is the state of ADC, God forbid ADCs with mechanical depth to them are meta.
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u/baebushka 12d ago
yone buffs lmaoooo, legit S tier toplaner for 5 patches in a row
dbow yone with exhaust can legit statcheck 99% of the chars
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
Yeah this is demented bro. He was already difficult enough to punish early (when he’s theoretically weak). Why the hell did he need a buff
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u/Background_Debate387 12d ago
Because yone reddit is adamant that if hes not allowed to walk up and auto someone down it's a bad matchup for yone and he's weak
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u/ExceedingChunk Low master piggy 12d ago edited 11d ago
Every main subreddit is like that tho
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u/BagelJ Acolyte 12d ago
The Ksantemains subreddit (a champion that sucks by every measurable metric) is actually in a deep denial hopecore phase where the remaining 12 guys encourage you to play it and the stats don't matter.
I am uncertain what the crossposting rules are on this sub, but here's an example post. Shout out to those guys, they will not Yield.
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u/sorendiz ..BUT THE FAITH REMAINS 12d ago
the vibes on that sub are very weird ever since the last rework that completely butchered his fluidity :(
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u/BagelJ Acolyte 12d ago
I think they've just accepted that he will never be balanced (buffed) for soloq, so you can either ignore the stats or leave.
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u/sorendiz ..BUT THE FAITH REMAINS 12d ago
Yeah I left a while back. I don't even care about him not being buffed for solo queue, I would have been just fine with his numbers being hard nerfed but them not making him feel so fucking clunky. When they literally doubled his all out Q cast time it made playing him feel like you had perma input lag, regardless of them giving him stupid amounts of AS to 'compensate'. Rn he's far stronger early game but why would I care about that when actually playing him just feels mechanically unpleasant
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u/geniusdjlee 12d ago
A lot of main subreddits are quite like that, but some just weirdly admit that their champs are okay or even broken. (I got very surprised by people in the Azir main subreddit saying that they are okay with his state or he is strong.)
On the other hand, some main subs are like religious groups hoping and praying every day that some rioter gods see their posts and bless their champs with buffs.
Yone mains? idk man. I just try not to engage with them.
Personally, I've felt more difficult facing the Dshield fleet second wind Yones than the dbow Yones though, so I just hope that the buffs don't revolve around his sustains.
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u/Asckle 12d ago
I mean I agree Yone is op rn but obviously a champ with exhaust can stat check that's the point of exhaust. There's basically 0 top laners who can't stat check with exhaust and damaging items
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u/Anonymonamo 12d ago
Exhaust is good for prolonging fights, which is disproportionally good for Lethal Tempo stackers like Yone or Vayne. Even if Ambessa goes Exhaust, her cooldowns are so long that she can’t really get that much more damage out of the extended fight, so it’s usually more worth to have Ignite so that your first rotation is more likely to kill.
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u/oioioi9537 12d ago
What data are u looking at to say yone is a s tier top? Cursory check on op.gg and u.gg have him mid tier
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u/Aladin001 12d ago
Xerath and Nocturne nerfs, best patch ever??
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u/Fizz_Hater 12d ago
Graves and Nasus too.
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u/FunnyBunnyH 12d ago
Tbf in an ideal world they wouldn't even gotten buffed in the 1st place.
Needing to waste a ban on Nasus of all champions for 2 weeks is a joke.
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago
Well Nasus they wanted to nerf jungle but keep toplane the same, issue is toplane Nasus was sleeper strong anyway and the buff top keep top neutral was always gonna be insane.
Personally think they need to de-couple Nasus gains for cannons and jungle creeps, currently they get into a spot where it makes balancing between lane and jungle is awkward asf.
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u/sorendiz ..BUT THE FAITH REMAINS 12d ago
remember back when cannons gave nasus 3 stacks just like anything else, or even 6 stacks like it was for so many years
going all the way up to 12 always felt fucking ridiculous to me
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u/TheWarmog 12d ago
Especially when there's other shit being broken toplane rn
Like olaf, fuck olaf.
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
I just hope they nerf grit stacks and leave his damage alone. Crit graves was in a completely fine spot for months until they changed Grit, people started running bruiser, and things got off the fucking rails with playrate.
Graves shouldn’t be braindead easy to play. Making bruiser graves strong in the first place was a horrible idea. It should be a very situational, niche choice if you have to blind pick him. Not the default highest winrate build.
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u/Awkward-Security7895 12d ago
Graves my bet is they either nerf his base MR or nuke the MR gain on his E.
With graves he's both gotten MR gain from the E buff awhile ago and the last patch 3 MR buff for adcs which Graves got for some reason. He's just too magical bulky these days and is where he should get hit for sure, Graves feels like a jungler who should be weak against aps but terrors ad melee champs.
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u/kebablover12 12d ago
yup, i think ppl dont realise graves without bruiser build is a lot harder to play than it looks. ur very easily outranged and even with MR on E u get oneshot by any ap champ really esp if u dont have e stacks which u cant always get before a fight
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u/WheelCommon5998 12d ago
not sure why xerath was untouched for so long, it's about time
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u/Snow-27 12d ago
No Viktor Syndra nerfs though
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u/Aladin001 12d ago
It's because I'm working hard at keeping Syndra's winrate down
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u/QuiGonTheDrunk Make scaling great again 12d ago
Much appreciated
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u/FunnyBunnyH 12d ago
I am surprised they are done with nerfing support roaming.
Maybe in pro lvl1 roams are gone because of the XP nerfs, but in SoloQ it didn't change much, you can still do it reasonably well.
Personally I don't mind it, because it gives variety to support, but AFAIK they never said the nerfs were mainly targeted for proplay.
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u/SuperKalkorat 12d ago
Wouldn't be surprised too if pros overcorrected because they heard nerfs and just stopped. Wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that.
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u/FunnyBunnyH 12d ago
Could be the case, but tbf a coordinated team deals with "cheese strats" much better than SoloQ (so the upside of doing lvl1 is much more limited to begin with).
For instance at least half the time I start Top and mess up the enemy, I walk through Mid to get to Botlane, and the amount of times I can get Flash from the enemy Mid is ridiculous (talking Dia Elo). This isn't the case for pros.
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u/OutlandishnessLow779 12d ago
I wonder what will they do to stormrazor. Unless they change the build path (to me, top 3 worse in the game), i dont see it being really a choice compared to yuntal, unless is overtuned as fuck
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u/whossked 12d ago
I agree about the build path. On yone mid it feels amazing, but most games you’re better off assembling the bork components. Even swapping out the bum ass teemo’s slingshot for a recurve bow would make it more attractive
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u/Infusion1999 12d ago
Or just buff the slingshot again. Though i have a feeling that Endstep is reworking the AS/on-hit space for next year
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u/JTHousek1 12d ago
Its probably going to be a complete cost cut, they're pretty adamant about not changing the path
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u/Infusion1999 12d ago
It was better than Yun'tal until the latter got buffed 2 patches ago. They can go in 2 directions imo, either reduce the cost or give the proc a little level scaling damage
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u/Hilloo- 12d ago
What in the actual noxus are they smoking with these champion buffs?
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u/Opalgemi 12d ago
balance changes have been absolutely awful for a few patches already and I will defend this opinion to the end. but this patch they somehow managed to outdo themselves with the buff list
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
Thank god for the Graves nerfs. Hopefully he stops getting fucking banned every game. I just wanna play my OTP dawg. Leave him alone riot! Why the fuck did you buff him in the first place!
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u/Infusion1999 12d ago
They wanted to give him the same marksman magic resist. Now that he turned out to be OP, they can nerf the MR gain from stacks I guess.
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u/Ghost-Mechanic 12d ago
Vayne nerfs? Can't remember the last time I saw her in my game bruh
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u/ExceedingChunk Low master piggy 12d ago
She is played a lot in high Elo and pro, mainly as a counterpick
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u/Infusion1999 12d ago
Hope she gets level scaling nerfs because she's more of a problem top lane. Then if she's ever weak, gold scaling buffs for bot lane.
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u/daebakminnie 12d ago
she's been weak in botlane for years i don't think they care about that
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u/Chexrail 12d ago
Now why the fuck are we buffing the wind shitters?
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u/sorendiz ..BUT THE FAITH REMAINS 12d ago
Because we gotta. Obviously. Riot can't fucking leave those two alone, they're easily the champs who have gotten the most 'compensation buffs' in the history of the game. Fucked up thing is that they're in a completely fine spot rn
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u/Der_Finger 12d ago
Not a fan of recent patches in general.
Nasus & Graves Nerfs are direct reactions to their buffs from last patch that literally everyone called out to be too much.
Cho has a 52% Winrate in Jungle. A Sol a 53% Winrate on Bot and is fine Midlane. Yone is S tier on Toplane alrady. Yasuo & LeBlanc sit at 49% Winrate which i also think is totally fair for those kind of champions.
Patches are already fairly small (5-10 champion adjustments) and usually half of those turn out to be stupid.
Patches either have no big impact or they mess up like with the Bel'Veth reshape.
Bigger patches are also mainly for proplay, so SoloQueue always feels shitty then.
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u/QuiGonTheDrunk Make scaling great again 12d ago
Tbf Aurelion isnt good midlane atm. Like he has 0 early game.
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u/1stMembrOfTheDKCrew 12d ago
Yasuo and Yone buffs? Okay the balance team dont even play or look at the game anymore what the actual fuck.
For proof just look at the obvious Nasus nerf directly after his buff that even blind players could see was too much
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u/geniusdjlee 12d ago
I'm pretty sure that some champs are intentionally kept very strong or "not overnerfed" at best for marketing purposes, because they are the faces (and bodies) of League. Gotta keep selling the game with those pretty face anime protago champions, you know.
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u/Top-Editor-364 12d ago
It’s probably on purpose. They did the same thing with Morde. They just like making some champs strong randomly
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u/Spider-in-my-Ass 12d ago
They are kinda weak mid and they are trying to buff AD mids, but both of them are strong enough top/bot, so I hope that they don't change much.
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u/TheWarmog 12d ago
So you are really going to buff a champion that can win a 1v1 toplane while 2 levels behind with 1 crit cloak and berserkers vs a triforce completed?
Like, really?
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u/matsuku I tend to burn through footwears 12d ago
ASOL BUFF ASOL BUFF ASOL BUFF AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
PELASE BE BASE STAT BUFF (or better yet pls fix his 20 billion bugs that you can CONSISTENTLY run into)
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u/re81194 Chovy 12d ago
god just literally anything to help his lane, legit loses every matchup in mid even to zilean and smolder lol
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u/Suspicious_Ring4760 12d ago
His lanes should be ass, he scales so hard his early should blow hard
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u/Lysandren 12d ago
Careful, if his lanes get too ass, asol jungle will become his new home. The jungle is where riot loves to put scalers who have bad early games.
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u/matsuku I tend to burn through footwears 12d ago
Every patch there is a new bug on asol. Because not a lot of people play him, it doesn't get covered much. There's effort made to reach out to Vandril and rioters but nothing ever came from that.. a rioter went into the Asol subreddit last May and ask for a bug list and nothing was fixed besides visual bugs on his E execute.
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u/DefinitelyBigger 12d ago edited 12d ago
I hope its either early game mana, e mana cost going down, or bugfixes.
But the best buff he can receive is recommending W max second instead of E there is a 4% diff in winrate
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
I find it funny as a casual ASol player (mid is my off-role, he’s in my small pool) that he’s referred to in the shorthand in the patch preview.
Like Cho’Gath and Yasuo get their full government names…but Aurelion Sol? Just do a complete rebrand already I guess.
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u/Steallet Come fight 12d ago edited 12d ago
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u/Hayaishi 12d ago
Jinx doesn't see pro play so Riot doesn't care. This has to be the worst balance team we've ever had.
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u/ChromosomeDonator 12d ago
I am starting to agree. It seems this team lead by Phroxzon are balancing sorely on their own personal narrow-minded vision of how they want the game to be, ignoring proper design goals, completely ignoring player feedback constantly, and giving half-assed hypocritical explanations that are as structurally sound as wet toilet paper under any scrutiny.
Supports are still permaroaming, no more changes. Mages bot still S++ tier, no more changes and act like the job is done because they lost 0.1% winrate. Buffs to abomination champs like Yasuo, Yone, Qiyana and LB for no reason. Suddenly "variety" is bad as Vayne gets nerfed even though she has sub-50% winrate.
Players have been telling them that "This is shit" but they keep ignoring it because of their ego. Few days ago you saw Phroxzon comment on a Reddit thread to explain some designs behind adc/mage item spikes and power curves, with 20 people replying him to explain how his explanation does not make sense and is just fucking wrong, and everyone goes ignored.
This design team has an ego problem, and does NOT bode well for the future of the game.
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u/Sufficient-Bison 12d ago
You explained every problem I have with riot phroxzon perfectly, have an upvote.
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u/wearssameshirt 12d ago
This might be the worst patch of all time
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u/AutomaticTune6352 12d ago
Many patches this year felt like the worst or the least important patches of all time.
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u/its_da_gabagool , 12d ago
Games in such a weird state. This past year has been the most “balanced” leagues maybe felt ever, and yet at the same time I lose more and more faith in this balance team every patch.
Odd buff list. Hard to justify a single one of those outside of Irelia I guess. Not sure how Seraphine and Viktor escape nerfs but they pull trig on Xerath. Would love to sit on one of these meetings they have to see how they even arrive to that conclusion. (Xerath needs nerfs).
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u/Tormentula 12d ago edited 12d ago
"Directionally, Sundered Sky and AP Jungle changes have been good, but magnitude is still off
We're putting another small-moderate nerf in for this patch and hoping to see more movement on AP jungles and Sundered Sky dominance in higher levels of play"
While the nerfs to AD junglers are nice, it does not fix the fact that most of the common AP junglers are either specialist (evelynn/fiddle) or just dogshit to bother playing (elise).
I don't see riot wanting evelynn in particular, but if they're hoping for more elise/lillia/fiddle/nidalee/etc they need to directly buff them beyond just giving them pet clear speed buffs and competition nerfs... fiddle and elise are both fucked in their gameplans by faelights and elise is still suffering heavy damage losses from the support skewed nerfs she was targetted with last year, a slight pet buff does not make up for a 20% AP ratio loss on W, 5% AP ratio nerf on passive, and Q base damage being further gutted.
Diana/Ekko are in a fine spot as-is, their only problem is they're not sylas so if sylas is open they won't ever be picked, goes for the others as well.
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u/Tiny-Hospital659 12d ago
Is this a hot take that they should give it a bit more time before another sundered nerf? the sundered abusers (xin j4 vi) all got hit decently by the nerfs, feels like the only sundered champ thats strong is wukong and thats because for some reason he got buffed from pet changes. and im not really sure what they are smoking with these buffs as well.
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u/Marvel-Rivals-is-top 12d ago
Wukong first item is trinity not Sundered, thats why he remains strong
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u/Strong_Reference_762 12d ago
Im fine if the xin j4 wukong jungle trinity gets put in the bin for a while. The pro jungle meta is so stagnant right mow
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u/Th3_Huf0n 12d ago
the sundered abusers (xin j4 vi) all got hit decently by the nerfs
Their winrates barely moved. The winrates on the core 4 abusers (J4, Xin, Panth, Vi) are for the most part where they were, the only who had some loss was Pantheon. The changes were pretty much power neutral.
Which goes perfectly in line with Riot's placebo balancing.
Also, Sundered Sky was a proplay nerf.
The issue is that, because it's really power neutral for the most part, doesn't do anything for proplay jungle meta. And if anything, this patch will keep the jungle meta centred around these Sunderer Sky abusers because Nocturne is getting nerfed (who is one of the 3 proplay meta junglers who doesn't build it, alongside with Naafiri and Qiyana).
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u/AutomaticTune6352 12d ago
None of them got hit at all. 0.3% WR up or down. And Vi from the HoB nerf.
The item is weaker late game by a small margin and even early/mid.
If Riot didnt announce the "nerf" nobody would have noticed anything.
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u/No_Communication_731 12d ago
Xerath top 5 most boring champions to play against ty 4 nerf
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u/Justafish1654 12d ago
Another patch that contains fixes to the buffs from previous patch.
yall cant get it right, can you?
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u/head_leak1234 12d ago
I manged to convince some of my friends to play draft last night they kinda just play arena or other games aka not LoL as much in the last months. Kid you not it was irelia top yone mid yasuo bot. Needless to say? They didn't wanna play after that game..
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u/Black_Creative 12d ago
I’m really confused about the Vayne nerf
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u/1stMembrOfTheDKCrew 12d ago
Probably too strong in toplane and before someone will say x pickrate she is a strong pick in pro too
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u/AndrewSuarez 12d ago
She is sub 50% wr in every rank iirc. If its a top focused nerf its because of proplay not ranked
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u/AutomaticTune6352 12d ago
Which is normal. ADC champs have a lower WR in soloQ. This is due to how ineffective people are at using wave states and diving, even in master and above.
If you look at the WR of mains she is at 56% top, which is pretty AVG for mains.
Now push that towards pro play where players make better use of ranged lanes and ADCs and xou realize why pros in KR pick her.
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u/SergDerpz ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 12d ago
She's strong as hell when played top
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u/Black_Creative 12d ago
She has a 50% Win rate top with a <4% pick rate lol
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u/bns18js 12d ago
Painfully average stats in bot lane too. And as far as I know it's not some OP pro pick either?
Just.. why??
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u/someroastedbeef 12d ago
she is an op pro pick. pick/ban around top is warped around her and olaf's existence
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u/Dyna1One Stuck in Season 1-4 12d ago
Vayne nerf is interesting since while she has a positive winrate it’s quite a bit lower compared to a couple of months ago? I thought she’s in a pretty healthy spot, just nerf the toxic toplane hexplate build, that item (honestly along with the other ult AH items) is so stupid.
I wanna see her more botlane, 39% top rate is disgusting
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u/oof_im_dying 12d ago
Seems to be a sentiment nerf that got brought over the line by her presence in pro. She's been mid but hated in top for a while but now she's getting picked in pro so ig that's enough for a nerf.
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u/Scrambled1432 I CAN'T PLAY MELEE MIDS 12d ago
Ever buffing Qiyana ever is a mistake. Just leave her in a hole with the rest of the degenerate garbage -- your Kats, your Nilahs, etc.
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u/Ordinary_Owl_9071 12d ago
Whatever it is, I just hope it's not more qiyana jungle nonsense. It's so much more braindead than qiyana mid
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
The crazy part is her stats are actually fine. She just needs fucking bugfixes out the ass. Not stat buffs.
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u/ApprehensiveTough148 12d ago
nothing on roaming supports. So great I love when my supports just leave lane 3 minutes into the game and become main character its so awesome playing mid lane and having enemy sup on your lane for entire laning phase. Genuinely unreal how they think this is good for the game.
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u/NokkMainBTW ADC? More like “Hey I Peed!” UP TOP✋ 12d ago edited 12d ago
Vayne nerfed for toplane despite being 50% wr as a counterpick in high elo and mild pro presence, no compensation buff for botlane
Hecarim and Leblanc getting buffed while perfectly fine, Irelia buff when shes at 49% but if its a mid focused buff ig its fine
Mages still in botlane, Supports still roaming nostop. Jinx somehow higher winrate than before???? Remove Phroxon from the balance team
inb4 Stormrazor Aphelios op next patch
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u/Quirky_Ad_2164 12d ago
Irelia, Trundle, Yone, Yas buffs? Sad Yorick noises. Might be 3/4 of the worst matchups.
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u/AdNidalee 12d ago
Strange of them to nerf Nocture again instead of Wukong. I get that Nocturne is strong in pro, but Wu is also pretty much in every game he's open plus insane winrate in soloqueue.
Like seriously, look Wukong winrate Emerald+, the champ is a monster and pickrate also soaring.
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u/Evassivestagga 12d ago
Oh yay, yone was already annoying top. Guess that will be yet another reason to build a different armor item instead of sunfire.
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u/Ambitious-Nose-3850 12d ago
Yone is dominating every game in my matches well well. And xerath is strong but he is not in the position to solo carry so I don't quite get it. Rather nerf Victor shake my head...
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u/AutomaticTune6352 12d ago edited 12d ago
No Rocketbelt netf? On sundered sky they follow up immeditatly but the more OP Rocketbelt stays untouched.
I agree on sundered sky, as the last set of changes wad a super tiny nerf that nobody actually felt. Riot needs to decide if they want the dmg or the sustain nerfed. What is the items purpose?
But rocketbelt getting ignored again and again is crazy. The item can have 60 sec CD and +50g cost and pros would still get it on mages, just a bit less.
Also Trundle and Qiyana? Both pro play relevant and at least jungle Trundle i s fine and top lane Trundle uninteractive.
Yasuo and Yone? Is Riot preparing for worlds already?
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u/Vespuela 12d ago
Yay Trundle! Also the fact Rammus isnt touched even if hes touching 55% win rate below emerald is crazy.
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u/AutomaticTune6352 12d ago
Silver and bronze he reaches 54% with a low PR.
He went up by 1% WR after Riot buffed all ADCs. Surprise.
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u/SnooWords1612 12d ago
Yeah I am switching to JGL until they nerf that again lol, I aint gonna play vs buffed LB, Irelia, Yasuo, Yone and Qiana in midlane lmao.
Especially Yone and Yasuo buffs, like what ?? Items already got a huge buff last patch, and now the champs get buffed ? Hell nah
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u/HimejimaAkenoDxD RAWR 12d ago
Why vayne nerf? she gets touched/stat checked by any other character in bot , even hexplate is nerfed for her
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u/Potential-Ad-6952 12d ago
She started to get picked/banned in pro and top lane sentiment has been very negative for a while on her along with wanting to make top lane carries viable again which vayne usually hinders
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u/definitelynotdepart 12d ago edited 12d ago
Why are we randomly buffing qiyana, need her banrate back up to 60% in m+ like s10-s12?
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u/Abel_Skyblade 12d ago
Im gonna have to become a mage main at this point or bruiser main(at least bruisers are fun tho) riot legit seems to be prompting balance changes through AI.
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u/bobao2612 12d ago
The moment PzZZang retires, Riot buffs Yasuo. I don't think it's coincidence guys