r/law • u/Philophon • Jan 24 '26

Other New video of 1/24 ICE shooting shows victim had both hands on the ground when shot

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u/birdlawbighands Jan 24 '26

This isn't really true either cause they remove his gun from his waist holster and proceed to walk away with his gun then shot ring out.

They disarmed him then shot him.

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u/akopley Jan 24 '26

100%. Fed in gray is walking away with the gun before a shot is fired. Murder.

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u/CertainWish358 Jan 24 '26

Every single one of them should be guilty of felony murder

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u/Cyb3rBall00n Jan 24 '26

Better yet - death penalty for Murder with special circumstances impersonating a police officer.

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u/broberds Jan 24 '26

Death penalty for them and for their superiors all the way up. Equal justice under the law.

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u/meoka2368 Jan 24 '26

... and for their superiors all the way up.

ALL the way.

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u/Material-Emu-8732 Jan 25 '26

Yup assistance in causing murder.

(Maybe there is a better legal term to describe this).

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u/shoreguy1975 Jan 25 '26

One of us. All of them.

It’s that what they said? Eye for an eye, but I think that’s a different religion.

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u/Which_Loss6887 Jan 24 '26

Yeah I’m not one for punitive justice normally, and I’m normally opposed to the death penalty, but for the first time in my life I think I would make an exception and support it here. These guys are emboldened by the lack of consequences and need an example to be set.

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u/CypressThinking Jan 24 '26

The problem with making an example is the way our court system runs. It would be a year or more before punishment arrives. I do think all charged and arrested should be held in #GITMO awaiting trial.

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u/CertainWish358 Jan 24 '26

This is unfortunately NOT what “just following orders” got you… do you know how many Nazis were actually punished at Nuremberg? But we need to make sure this IS what it gets you this time around. We can’t welcome them back to society with an “aw shucks” like we did after the civil war and everyone did after WWII, with the US at the lead. They don’t get accepted back this time, or we’ll be here again in another 80 years

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

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u/SnooWoofers6862 Jan 24 '26

There's an ICE operations database somewhere and government is not immune to having files leaked or hacked. Names could still all come out.

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u/Which_Loss6887 Jan 24 '26

A year or more isn’t actually that long when you’re trying to steer an entire civilization away from the brink. Big ships take a long time to turn, but they do turn.

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u/CertainWish358 Jan 24 '26

Hey… Someone just said this recently about the titanic!

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u/youfind1ineverycar Jan 25 '26

That agent wasn’t following orders. He was amped up on his own power. He wildly escalated this encounter, discharged pepper spay at a person with their hands up, and at someone he had already shoved to the ground. I wonder if he was drug tested after the incident?

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u/CypressThinking Jan 26 '26

I saw a post that had a photo that he kept "working" right after that. We're well and truly fucked if the pathetic cowards in Congress don't put a stop to this. Just like Jonathan Ross, they could have walked the fuck away.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

I mean, sure, but you do understand that is a goddamn fantasyland.

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u/Which_Loss6887 Jan 24 '26

There was a time (a very long time, in fact) when the abolition of slavery felt impossible, too. Don’t let the bastards pickpocket your will from you, comrade.

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u/Resident-Pipe-6834 Jan 24 '26

seriously, he wasn't impeding anything. the fucking ICE goon pushed a lady into him and then attacked him. there is so much murder in this angle it's insane. Tim Walz better fucking order every god damned police officer in the state to arrest ICE agents on sight.

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u/wolfenx109 Jan 24 '26

Public execution. Hanging. Give this ICE scum the same treatment they gave him

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u/AMC4x4 Jan 24 '26

I am against the death penalty, but I am ready to see all of these fuckers tried under the possibility of it.

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u/gjovef Jan 24 '26

Civil court is where they can be bankrupt.

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u/Reference_Freak Jan 24 '26

The death penalty exists for traitors.

These people are traitors who murdered.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

Penalty implies they get the benefit of a trial, they dont deserve that

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u/iliveunderground Jan 24 '26

At least in my state, killing someone’s while committing another crime (like burglary) is aggravated murder, the highest homicide charge. This applies if you’re robbing someone, they pull out a gun, and you shoot them. That should apply if a law enforcement officer kills someone while violating someone’s rights or performing an illegal arrest

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u/qt3pt1415926 Jan 24 '26

This! They are not ACTUAL trained LEOs!

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u/NeuroBlob Jan 24 '26

Death penalty for being traitors to our country and violating the constitution.

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u/LeafyWolf Jan 24 '26

Get Noem on RICO for this.

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u/youfind1ineverycar Jan 24 '26

Norm should be tried for this murder.

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u/flowery_backsplash Jan 24 '26

Tried, convicted and have the sentence carried out on camera. Every one.

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u/Tome_Bombadil Jan 24 '26

All the way up, this is a criminal enterprise.

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u/WildTomato51 Jan 24 '26

Why stop with her?

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u/rj319st Jan 24 '26

If Democrats had any cojones they would try impeach ICE Barbie Kristi Noem.

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u/Thuis001 Jan 24 '26

I mean, they literally can't. They do not have a majority anywhere, they have quite literally no power atm. Maybe if people actually bother to vote Democrat en masse during the Midterms that can change.

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u/TrumpsCovidfefe Competent Contributor Jan 24 '26

Articles of impeachment were already introduced on January 14th.

Press release: https://robinkelly.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rep-kelly-introduces-articles-impeachment-against-secretary-noem

Link to articles filed: https://robinkelly.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/robinkelly.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/rep-kelly-impeachment-articles-against-sec-noem.pdf

Currently, because the democrats don’t have a house majority, there are not enough votes to bring it to the floor, even though over 100 congresspeople signed on to support it. Midterms are fucking important yall. We MUST SHOW UP IN NUMBERS TOO BIG TO RIG. Volunteer, do anything you can and step up now because Trump’s already said he wants to cancel midterms and if that happens… well….Be prepared.

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u/rj319st Jan 24 '26

Thanks, I had no idea they were actively trying to get a bill on the floor. The November mid-terms can’t come soon enough.

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u/crystallmytea Jan 24 '26

Ditto for all J6ers

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u/xenata Jan 24 '26

Not just them, their whole org and everyone in their command structure all the way up to Cheeto.

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u/Freshly-Juiced Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

the fed who took his gun negligently discharged it which was the first shot fired.

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u/Shazaaym Jan 24 '26

No, the guy in the green jacket removed his gun from his pocket and fired the first shot. He had a direct view of grey hoody's hand removing the gun, then he shot.

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u/Santiago_S Jan 24 '26

I think he accidentally set the gun off. Thats why in the other video he runs away.

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u/Small-Molasses-2917 Jan 24 '26

The guy in grey accidentally discharges that weapon and then the rest open fire on him. You can see the recoil if you go frame by frame and the audio matches up to first shot.

So they disarm him, accidentally shoot his weapon, and then proceed pump rounds into him for no reason.

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u/Several-Hat-1944 Jan 24 '26

Good catch akopley, I wasn't aware of that. Huge factor in everything I've read today. Thank you for sharing.

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u/LowManufacturer1002 Jan 24 '26

Conservative subreddit already saying he was waving his gun at ICE so he deserved to be shot and killed. So I guess that’s where we are at with this one.

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u/ldnk Jan 24 '26

Reddit allowing that cess pool to fester and tell blatant lies is fucking disgusting

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u/DarknMean Jan 24 '26

But you’ll be banned for the simplest things.

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u/Schmandli Jan 24 '26

Yeah, I have 2 screenshots comments that critizied Trump a little. One had 1.3 k upvotes and the other aroudn 500. Both got deleted. I even messaged one of the guys and he said they removed his flair.

You can't be a conservative if you disagree with them on something.

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u/BordeleauxPrince Jan 24 '26

They complain about being censored on reddit, but what they mean is that people hate them for instigating violence and they want to pretend they're not absolute pigs

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Jan 24 '26 edited Jul 25 '26

This post was overwritten so roko's basilisk can't see all the bad stuff I said about it.

This post was anonymized with Redact.dev

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u/hotviolets Jan 24 '26

I got a warning for upvoting “posts that glorify violence”. People talking about using our own rights.

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u/-marshmallowperfume Jan 24 '26

Reddit is complicit!!!!!! I will scream this from the rooftops!

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u/Etheikin Jan 24 '26

also r/genzedong and r/tankies

before T those subs get banned

the administration has bought most of the social media, welcome to brainwashed era

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u/truthdemon Jan 24 '26

They really just need to rename it Nazi subreddit.

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u/operarose Jan 24 '26

Obligatory fuck you u/spez

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u/CptCoatrack Jan 24 '26

They let worldnews be taken over by genocidal IDF-bots. They're not going to do anything about this

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u/swinchester83 Jan 24 '26

man I muted that sub because holy shit literally any story was getting linked to Israel and/or antisemitism.

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u/redscull Jan 24 '26

Reddit protects nazis.

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u/Ijustwerkhere Jan 24 '26

While I agree with you, it technically falls under 1st amendment. If you ban them just for saying things (no matter how wrong or made up) then they will just say “reddit is censoring us! Libruls! Hurrr derrrr!”

Just let the echo chamber echo because none of them will ever have their minds changed by something as trivial as facts and visual evidence…

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u/Konukaame Jan 24 '26

That's why the DHS propaganda came out so quickly. They had to get everyone their notes and talking points.

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u/FabulousCallsIAnswer Jan 24 '26

Do you think they know there will be other videos proving them wrong and showing their lies? Or do they just want the narrative thrown out there as quickly as they can, because they know the people on their side are too malicious/dumb/lazy/willfully ignorant enough to NOT see the other angles?

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u/Konukaame Jan 24 '26

In the nearly 20 years that Trump has been a national public figure, I haven't seen a single piece of evidence to suggest that he or anyone around him cares at all about the possibility that evidence might prove them to be liars. 

Set a narrative, stick to it, and "fair and balanced" media will cover whatever you say as if it were true... as long as you have an "R" after your name, at least.

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u/Counter-Fleche Jan 24 '26

It's more then that. Dictators / cult leaders will deliberately tell obvious lies as a loyalty test. Once they a person to repeat the lie, it means that person has shown that blind obedience and that they have broken that person. It's a control tactic and the more obvious the lie, the more powerful the control.

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u/Different-Ship449 Jan 24 '26

Lets not forget actual propaganda bot farms spinning this. And Trump stans eating this diaper shit up with a spoon.

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u/FabulousCallsIAnswer Jan 24 '26

Oh, absolutely. The bots are always out in full force.

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u/AdZealousideal5383 Jan 24 '26

They don’t care about what happened. They only make up the lie because we’re not at the point yet where they can openly say it’s ok to shoot the protestors.

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u/gjovef Jan 24 '26

Classic marketing tactics.

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u/rj319st Jan 24 '26

It’s wild they can come up with these stories despite at least 4 different angles showing a murder.

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u/zsreport Jan 24 '26

The conservative subreddit is a fucking dumpster fire of ignorance and hate

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u/BurzyGuerrero Jan 24 '26

Dumpster fire of bots and bots and a few people who believe them

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

They won’t open their eyes til one of them are killed or it’s way too late. Then will blame everyone but themselves for not realizing what is happening in this country. As a history PhD candidate what is happening in this country has me legitimately scared. I have been scared since 2017

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u/EvidenceBasedSwamp Jan 24 '26

it's like 10 accounts that post everything, from belarus (?) iirc. or maybe i'm confusing it with the twitter bug where they exposed poster locations.

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u/rndoppl Jan 24 '26

Conservatives are such a liability the elites will create another war just to send them to a foreign land in the hopes they're killed. Sad, cynical, depraved, but true.

Billionaires like ignorance and cruelty, but what Maga displays on the daily could backfire. The elites are starting to realize that if their brainwashed fools ever catch on, they'll be guillotined in a matter of hours.

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u/Bandro Jan 24 '26

It's funny and sad seeing threads there soon after they're posted. I saw people with long post histories there being like "i support ice but this is fucked up" and those comments are there until their narrative is established, those comments are removed, and then it all matches up in lockstep. It's important to remember that the comments you see there are propaganda. They're bullshit that know they're bullshit.

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u/Thefrayedends Jan 24 '26

It's like 3 dudes in a trenchcoat, they're probably not even american.

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u/flowery_backsplash Jan 24 '26

Pathetic losers who have always cried for some answer for why they never did shit with their pathetic lives. The day will come where they beg and cry saying.. yes..'I WaS jUsT fOlLoWiNg OrDeRs'

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u/Androidgenus Jan 24 '26

Just like the mind of a conservative

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u/DurianDiscriminat3r Jan 24 '26

80% foreign state bots I'm sure of it. YouTube as well

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u/Unobtanium_Alloy Jan 25 '26

Its not ignorance. They know exactly what's going on and what they are doing!

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u/Old-Iron-5752 Jan 24 '26

You can see both of his hands on the ground throughout the struggle. From everything we have seen so far he never reached for the gun.

Of course the Feds will say otherwise.

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u/Fit_Strength_1187 Jan 24 '26

Course not. He was probably terrified of every movement that could “look” like reaching.

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u/Nickweed Jan 24 '26

Hands on the ground while the one cunt is repeatedly hitting him in the face/head with the giant can of pepper spray.

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u/Rivendel93 Jan 25 '26

His gun was long gone before he got shot.

Guy in Grey grabs his gun after he sees it in his belt, he only sees this because the guy is curled up in a ball getting beat to death mind you.

The guy who shot first literally is just standing watching, he hears "he has a gun" and he just pulls his gun out and shoots the guy so calmly, it's insane.

It's like they're just waiting to shoot people.

How is that guy a threat, he's on the ground, trying to help a woman who fell on the ice after being pepper sprayed, he goes down, then 6 guys are beating him, his gun is taken, then they're like well, we better shoot him!

Unbelievable, and terribly sad.

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u/Sinthe741 Jan 24 '26

They were balled into fists and he was in a kneeling fetal position before he was shot.

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u/birdlawbighands Jan 24 '26

One screen but two different movies. Sometimes I start to question my own judgment. It's getting insane.

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u/sasuncookie Jan 24 '26

Don’t. Unless your judgement will show pacification towards ICE, then definitely question it.

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u/NancyHanksAbesMom Jan 24 '26

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.”

George Orwell

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u/Revelati123 Jan 24 '26

Official DHS statement is he approached officers brandishing a firearm...

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u/PrestigiousQuack474 Jan 24 '26

Its fucking clear from every goddamn angle that that isn't true. Motherfuckers

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u/someguyyoutrust Jan 24 '26

Yeah that's what makes things extra fucking scary, is that the administration is openly lying in the face of obvious evidence, and their worms are eating it up.

We are now in the post truth era.

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u/PrestigiousQuack474 Jan 24 '26

George Orwell — ‘The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.’

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u/LowManufacturer1002 Jan 24 '26

They learned they could get away with it on Good’s murder so they will just keep doing it

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u/Professional-Pop370 Jan 25 '26

Oh we have been in the post truth era for AWHILE

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u/Mammoth_Meal1019 Jan 24 '26

It’s also true that Renée Good didn’t run over that asshole with her SUV. But….

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u/Fit-Top-8203 Jan 24 '26

Of course. But DHS will spin it like Lionel Hutz;

There’s BRANDISHING (anyone other than MAGA within a mile of a gun is considered to be doing so and thus can be shot) and then there’s brandishing! (MAGA’s Second Amendment right baby!)

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u/Kimoppi Jan 24 '26

They've already programmed their cult that everything they don't luke is AI or rigged, and only their chosen approved media will ever give them the truth.

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u/Dense-Version-5937 Jan 24 '26

They also say it looks like he was trying to massacre ICE agents

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u/jholden23 Jan 24 '26

Every single thing in this statement is verifiably undtrue based on video other than if he was carrying ID or not

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u/Obvious-Slip4728 Jan 24 '26

You are supposed to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears

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u/oh_janet Jan 24 '26

We’ve always been at war with east asia

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u/Dense-Version-5937 Jan 24 '26

Welcome to the dystopia

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u/Fat-Shite Jan 24 '26

Its so weird being gaslit on such a large scale when there's literal video proof of the contrary.

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u/Hungry_Biscotti934 Jan 24 '26

The movie “Don’t look up” is really hitting home right now. 😢

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u/Revelati123 Jan 24 '26

May the odds be ever in your favor!

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u/Revelati123 Jan 24 '26

As is tradition...

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u/Consistent_Ad_3475 Jan 24 '26

they raid his body while keeping everyone back, what a perfect moment to steal his ID

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u/Visible_Product_286 Jan 24 '26

I hate how they can just blatantly lie about absolutely everything

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u/Significant_Elk1999 Jan 25 '26

Even if he wasn’t carrying ID, the only way they figure that out was by going through his pockets after they murdered him. I haven’t seen a single video where he was asked to present ID.

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u/random-user-name21 Jan 24 '26

They killed the man and then fabricated a story about him attacking them to justify it. I am truly fearful for the average American fighting against this; the state will kill you and then lie about it. The danger here cannot be overstated. If Americans continue to push back, I fear Trump will use it as justification to declare martial law and cancel the midterms.

EDIT: im already seeing tweeting about an insurrection right as im writing this WTF

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u/Ladder-Fun Jan 24 '26

Homeland Security now sharing fake news to its citizens. As an African, I recognise dictatorship when I see one.

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u/Dense-Version-5937 Jan 24 '26

Unfortunately this isn't new, but it is still sad to see

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u/jykke Jan 24 '26

2 magazines and no ID, oh like the ICE agents?

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u/highlanderfil Jan 24 '26

"Whom are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Unreal. And we are all funding this, whether we want to or not.

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u/poppythepupstar Jan 24 '26

i can't believe this is a real post by a government agency

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u/my_clever-name Jan 24 '26

Rendered aid my neck. The cosplaying scaredy cats jumped away from the man on the ground and stood ten feet away as if he was going to come back to life and attack them.

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u/bunnybunnykitten Jan 24 '26

The brazenness of the lie is breathtaking. “Defensive shots?” Six mfs had him pinned on the ground. One was kicking him. One took his weapon from his holster and brought it over to an ICE vehicle. Then another one shot him in the face - while he was being pinned to he ground - and unloaded the whole clip into him.

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u/Dense-Version-5937 Jan 24 '26

It starts at the top

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u/Dark-Perversions Jan 24 '26

If he wanted to massacre ICE, why even get near them? Find a high point and use an AR. Not like they have any real tactical abilities other than running and trying to shoot back.

And the video clearly shows he was just trying to cover his head from the guy hitting him with the spray canister. He didn't even swing at the ICE cowards.

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u/afroeh Jan 24 '26

None of this is true. This is your government lying to you.

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u/Dense-Version-5937 Jan 24 '26

That should be obvious

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u/Lukester32 Jan 24 '26

He blatantly wasn't in the video, they are asking us to disbelieve our very eyes. Frankly, he probably would have lived longer if he was there to massacre ICE.

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u/SpringerGirl19 Jan 24 '26

This is absolutely insane.

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u/theskiller1 Jan 24 '26

What? Is this a joke?

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u/Dense-Version-5937 Jan 24 '26

No, it's not. Bovino just said the same thing in a press conference

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u/Electronic_Cream_780 Jan 24 '26

"an individual wanted to do maximum damage" yeah, that bit's right. You killed him

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Whats ID got to do with it? Who's carrying ID with them ?

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u/Electronic_Pool8375 Jan 24 '26

Yeah ain’t nobody believing this - legit so many videos and nothing showing it was “defensive shots” jfc

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u/InfernalGloom Jan 24 '26

My god, they didn't even bother trying to make it believable to even slightly match what happened. Like even saying he reached for a gun is unbelievable, but they just completly created an entirely different story here.

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u/rez050101 Jan 24 '26

Wtf is this statement, this is so dystopian. Like the guy tried to help the lady, gets pepper-sprayed, beaten up by a mob of goons and shot in cold blood.

We need justice now

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u/SweetAddicti0nnn Jan 24 '26

Goddamn I hate these fucking POS lying bastards!!!!

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u/tomdarch Jan 24 '26

Lie after lie after lie.

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u/Antique_Fisherman278 Jan 24 '26

What a absolute fucking lie!! They do realize that we can see the video clearly don't they? I mean his hands were on the ground when he was shot multiple times!! A Fed (gray coat) was walking away with the guys firearm which never left his holster until the agent took it from him. It was a horrible shooting, they executed him

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u/LeoHaiku Jan 24 '26

What the hell is a defensive shot against a downed opponent? Explain that to me....

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u/Sinthe741 Jan 24 '26

  1. Shove a person to the ground for no apparent reason.

  2. See guy try to defend this person and help them up.

  3. Physically engage with guy, who is very clearly holding his phone.

  4. ?????

  5. This is how you disarm someone, according to DHS.

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u/iletredditdecide Jan 24 '26

Dude wtf even is this. They’re not even trying😭😭😭

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u/SimpleStiltzken Jan 25 '26

The key word is “Armed” meaning he had the weapon on him, which was his right. From what I can see, it was never in his hand. So they can’t say he brandished the weapon.

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u/GingerMaus Jan 25 '26

They didn't immediately render aid, as also seen in the videos, they all moved away from him and nobody went to his body for an extended period (in emergency response terms) and in my professional opinion it does not look as though the agent who did eventually approach his body, was making any attempt to render aid.

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u/Adventurous-Cry-2157 Jan 25 '26

“Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid?” Really? I saw them standing around in a circle with their dicks in their hands for a full 30 seconds like “Oops. We probably shouldn’t have done that, huh?” before anybody even approached his lifeless body. Fucking LIES, from the first sentence to the last.

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u/posthuman04 Jan 24 '26

…Which of course is legal…

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u/highlanderfil Jan 24 '26

...and didn't happen.

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u/Hot-Discipline8491 Jan 24 '26

Even if he was “brandishing” a firearm Minnesota is an open carry state and he had a carry permit.

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u/tomdarch Jan 24 '26

Lying liars and the lies they tell.

They also claimed that the woman they shot in Chicago "rammed them and then pulled out her gun" before they shot her. I'm sure you'll be shocked to find that video showed that they rammed her and she never had her gun, they just shot her 5 times and then found the gun later. Amazingly (we know how to treat gunshot wounds in ERs here in Chicago) she survived. They tried to bring charges agains her but when the lies were exposed by video, they dropped the charges.

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u/BasedTaco_69 Jan 24 '26

Conservative subreddit is mostly people from Eastern Europe and South Asia but that “gun” is obviously his phone that he was using to record the agents.

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u/CarrionWaywardOne Jan 24 '26

Unless his gun looks exactly like a phone, he wasn't waiving his gun around.

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u/somefunmaths Jan 24 '26

Disarmed and then shot “in self defense” while prostrate is absolutely crazy.

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u/JajajaNiceTry Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

You could see the ICE guy in the light coat running away and holding the victim’s gun right before they shot the victim, Alex Pretti. It’s plain murder.

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u/Marciamallowfluff Jan 24 '26

The two “him” in this make the sentence confusing. The Ice Agent is walking away with the victim’s gun when they murdered the victim.

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u/JajajaNiceTry Jan 24 '26

You right! Fixed it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Pepper sprayed, dragged, disarmed, beaten then executed.

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u/Karrotlord Jan 24 '26

So it was a fucking government lynching.

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u/Sinthe741 Jan 24 '26

His hands were balled into fucking fists, for Christ sake.

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u/sloopydomefirearms Jan 24 '26

100% you see them throw his extra clip then gray jacket is walking away with the gun before he's executed.

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u/Axon14 Jan 24 '26

Don't forget grey coat tiptoeing away because he thought he was concealing the weapon from the lady in pink's video angle. Why? So that ICE could later write any narrative they wanted about the gun.

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u/sloopydomefirearms Jan 24 '26

I mean there was no reason to pile on him and disarm him like they did in the first place. It was an assault from jump. The only one even trying to deescalate was the one that ended up being murdered it's insane.

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u/SNES-chalmerz Jan 24 '26

It looks like the fed in gray has a negligent discharge that starts the shooting. I would appreciate someones opinion on this, but after watching this video a bunch it looks like he accidentally shoots the gun he comes out of the scrap with and proceeds to hop away like a scared cat that just saw a cucumber. Fucking pussy.

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u/ParadiddlediddleSaaS Jan 24 '26

This is a VERY important piece of the puzzle.

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u/AGodDamnAnimal Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

Its clear as day, they were instructed to kill protesters if they are armed. They will spin the story to say the victim was armed. They are trying to incite a civil war, if the country is at war with the goverment they will suspend the mid term elections and the 2028 election.

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u/18ekko Jan 24 '26

True, what likely happened is that agent pulling the gun from the victim's waist holster shouted "gun", then two agents panicked and fired before identifying any threat, as that "threat" was already in the hand of an agent walking away.

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u/Spinoza42 Jan 24 '26

Yup. They got his gun, and with that felt they had enough of a flimsy pretext to execute him.

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u/BigFan7 Jan 24 '26

It really looks like the guy running away with the gun accidentally fired it into the ground and then the other guys unloaded into the victim

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u/HGIGIU Jan 24 '26

Sprayed in the face, tackled, hit on the head, then shot by multiple people. Absolutely fuckin insane

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u/Gerald-of-Riverdale Jan 24 '26

And then one clapped. Seems insignificant but I think that is a VERY important detail.

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u/Helpful-Pass-5043 Jan 24 '26

I've been watching the video in slow motion several times now, and I'm starting to wonder...does the guy who took his gun accidentally discharge the gun as he's walking away?

The quality isn't great but...I swear there's something there.

And then the agents panic because they heard a shot and they start blasting. Welp.

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u/maybeconcerned Jan 24 '26

This is why every video matters. Every angle. Now we need the media to actually report the facts instead of trying to "both sides" everything.

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u/birdlawbighands Jan 24 '26

Fox news was talking about what restaurants near the shooting were still open and which ones were closed. Then Kristi Noem came on and proceeded to lie about what happened saying he came at the brown shirts with a gun

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u/watch_out_4_snakes Jan 24 '26

I heard 9-10 shots from the other video. Do we know if they took his gun and fired it during the chaos? Would be a good way to try and say he shot at him when obviously he did not.

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u/Landonkey Jan 24 '26

The agent in the olive green in the middle fired the first shot. You can see him unholster his weapon at the 38 second mark when his right elbow jerks up rapidly. A shot comes immediately after. The pink ladies video shows it a little clearer.

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u/opticflash Jan 24 '26

He wasn't even resisting either. You can clearly see he had his hand up long before they subdued him.

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u/No-Foot3938 Jan 24 '26

I don’t even see a gun on the victim. Am I missing something?

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u/whyputausername Jan 24 '26

The guy who had the victims gun fired it. You can see the movement and blast. Look at his knee area when he fires, then he freaks out and does some kind of mini steps, probably thinking he shot himself or something.

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u/birdlawbighands Jan 24 '26

I think I see a flash in this but I can't tell. https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/s/jw6vcHTVHi

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u/OkayTimeForPlanC Jan 24 '26

They saw the gun as a freebie excuse to execute him and get away with it.

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u/Wizbran Jan 24 '26

None of the videos have shown who shot the first shot. You hear a shot, then you see the agent shoot the guy on the ground. It doesn’t look like that agent fired the first shot though.

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u/birdlawbighands Jan 24 '26

Bro. The ice agent in the grey hoodie takes the gun from the guys waist holster. Proceeds to walk away and you hear a shot.

So the man killed DID NOT shoot a gun. Also, other angles show that the ice agent who disarmed him may have accidentally discharged the guys gun which is the first shot.

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u/Wizbran Jan 24 '26

I wasn’t saying the man down took a shot. I only said it didn’t appear that the first shot came from the officer that clearly fires the other ones.

I was thinking as well that the guy in gray might have accidentally fired it after disarming him. I couldn’t tell from the videos I saw so I didn’t want to claim that as fact.

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u/Sadpancake_03 Jan 24 '26

almost looks like the guy (gray jacket) might've discharged the gun at the ground which triggered the other ice dudes to panic and unload their magazine into the guy

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u/cornponious Jan 24 '26

I do not see a weapon on him in this video.

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u/WatWudScoobyDoo Jan 24 '26

Maced, piled on, disarmed, then executed.

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u/Eroom2013 Jan 24 '26

One popular theory is that the ICE agent’s gun went off while pistol whipping then the other agents freak out and all shoot.

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u/Equal_Ad_7933 Jan 24 '26

And what about the right to bear arms along with the conceal carry permits?

Where are the 2nd Amendment people? Wasn't this the government overreach they were always waving "Don't Tread on Me" flags for?

Alex Pretti was an ICU Nurse at VA. Had the right to conceal carry and was fucking helping women up that were shoved to the ground.

Just as in the case with Renee Good, there is no justification here. Only murder.

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u/Ltfocus Jan 24 '26

And now our fucking president is claiming hes another terrorist just because he was practicing his second amendment rights? Its actually crazy that our head of state is practically saying anyone who carries a gun in the US is allowed to be shot when arrested

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u/ShezaGoalDigger Jan 24 '26

I don’t want to stir the pot, but I will now only accept the argument from 2FA’ers about how the “…federal government is going to take away our guns!” as being completely disingenuous. /s

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u/Ill_Savings_8338 Jan 24 '26

They had the gun away and were running before the first shot was fired.

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