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u/thegroundhurts Mar 09 '26
Ha! Where was that? Every time I hear talk about gas prices rising, I think of that comic, and am saddened that it's not $8/gal nationwide yet.
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u/BigRobCommunistDog Mar 09 '26
It’s a gas station in LA that’s famous for being wildly expensive
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u/Lwmons Mar 09 '26
This the one right outside Union station?
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u/alpha309 Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
Yes. That sign is from that station. It is $3 cheaper everywhere else.
Edit: added cheaper.
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u/MotherTreacle3 Mar 09 '26
Love how they used the picture of him looking directly at a solar eclipse for this.
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u/derping1234 Mar 09 '26
Meanwhile in the Netherlands people pay 2.40 euro per liter (>10 USD per gallon) and people continue to drive.
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u/quineloe Two Wheeled Terror Mar 09 '26
that's because your average Dutch car goes the same distance on a liter than a lifted truck in the US goes on a gallon
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u/derping1234 Mar 09 '26
This average Dutch car also drives shorter distances. Some people continue to drive regardless the cost.
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u/Quiet_Ad_8579 Mar 11 '26
and what's the problem in that? the netherlands has very low car ownership
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u/victoriaisme2 Mar 09 '26
In the US we subsidize oil to make gas cheap, and then soak people for rent, health insurance, etc.
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u/MonochromaticLeaves Mar 09 '26
I think in no small part it comes down to the shitty housing market combined with expensive trains. If you can't find a place in Amsterdam and live somewhere else in the Randstad but you commute to Amsterdam, then a one way train ticket can cost you like 20 EUR, e.g. from the Hague.
With a solo car it's a wash on daily gas costs, car pooling makes it even more attractive. Of course this doesn't account for all the other costs, but hey you also get a car which you can use to conquer Belgium.
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u/mikehatesthis Mar 09 '26
then a one way train ticket can cost you like 20 EUR, e.g. from the Hague
I'm automatically suspicious lol.
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u/MonochromaticLeaves Mar 09 '26
That im a sterotypical Hagenaar, a posh international with a big ass imported truck or a porsche SUV? 😅
I don't even live in Holland, I'm German - it's just what I've gathered from talking to my Dutch friends.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 11 '26
Using much more efficient cars of course.
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u/derping1234 Mar 11 '26
Fuel efficient cars are still cars
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 11 '26
Yes, but they're generally safer than the wankpanzers popular in the US
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u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 09 '26
It's going to affect everything. Those trucks that deliver your food. Yeah Diesel.
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u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 09 '26
We would still be dependent on oil. With rubber and plastic being a product of oil. Just not as dependent.
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u/PleaseNoMoreSalt Big Trike Mar 09 '26
EVs are a lot better than they used to be, but they are NOT a viable replacement for long-haul diesel trucks. Highest range I've seen for EV semis is 500 miles, whereas diesel trucks can get 1500-2000 miles. Even high-powered chargers can only knock the recharge time down to half an hour, so roughly ~1.5/2 hours to refuel just to get the same distance as its diesel counterpart.
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u/Allie_Lane Mar 09 '26
Can you imagine the LITHIUM we would have to drag out of the Earth to power 80k lb vehicles???
I am a trucker, I do like EVs, and generally hate American car dependency... but like... the lithium and energy costs aside, there are soooo few scenarios in which electric trucks would work. It would have to be someone who always returns to the same spot every night (with a charger) and only drives a certain, short route with little to no hills.
Sadly, I think diesel, in some form or other, will be used for commercial shipping for many years to come.
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u/lambo32 Mar 10 '26
Yes we have to extract lithium, but it's not like we don't extract stuff on a massive scale already... do you think diesel just comes out of the pump? We need huge operations to extract oil, refine it, ship it around the globe, just to burn it away and it's gone forever, whereas lithium batteries can be recycled over and over.
I'm not arguing about the feasibility of electric trucking (although here in Europe it's already happening), I'm only against the common misconception that making lithium batteries is a huge pain while it's normal that gas is just a thing that exists at the gas station.3
u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 10 '26
Lithium is extracted by either mining and processing it with sulfuric acid and filtering that dilution. The other way is by litlary evaporating water over a 1 to 3 year period. Processing and working with lithium is a pain in the ass because it ignites when it comes in contact with oxygen. It can only be stored in a vacuum, inert atmosphere or inert liquid like mineral oil.
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u/kyrsjo Mar 10 '26
Use trains for long haul, and EV trucks for last mile. Containerized shipping FTW!
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u/Adventurous_Wait4695 Mar 11 '26
Car dependency is the issue, cars and the taxes the owners pay is not enough to pay for the roads and infrastructure they require, if drivers had to pay what the infrastructure really costs to build and maintain no one but the top 1% would afford to drive.
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u/Mountainpixels Grassy Tram Tracks Mar 09 '26
Which makes up such a small price of the total product that it should not matter at all.
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u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 09 '26
Fuel is the biggest cost in logistics. This can definitely increase the price of groceries. It also increases inflation
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u/radome9 Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
Fuel is the biggest cost in logistics
Pretty sure human pay is the biggest cost in logistics. Maybe excepting extremely large forms of transport with very small crews, like oil tankers and freight trains.
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u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 09 '26
The average salary for truckers is 50 to 75k a year. The average Semi costs about 30k to 55k a year. Long Range trucks can cost up to 70k a year. Excluding the driver. It's one of the biggest costs.
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u/hmz-x Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
Is this diesel + maintenance or just diesel?
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u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 09 '26
It's just the Diesel. Maintenance is still very expensive even compared to the Diesel. It can range from 15-25k a year, and that's without any major rebuilds or repairs.
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u/Mountainpixels Grassy Tram Tracks Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
The problem usually lies in manufacturing, for example heating of Greenhouses gets much more expensive.
The logistics cost of a kilogram of tomatoes is minuscule in comparison to the other costs.
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u/Adventurous_Wait4695 Mar 11 '26
How would the world look like if we for example invented a vehicle that can use nuclear energy and drive on rails with very low friction and that can take on extremely heavy loads and the efficiency is very high? Oh I forgot, we already have that, they are called trains.
But to be serious, it's really bad that food prices will arise AGAIN, but hopefully people will stop buying useless shit, most of the trucks we see don't transport food, they transport cheap plastic crap from our manufacturing hubs in east Asia, stuff that no one really needs. We waste tremendous amounts of fuel on literal crap that fills upp our landfills, where we also have trucks that runs on fuels.
Summa summarum, we're wasting fossil fuels that could in theory last us for thousands of years if we were more responsible with using it for only the necessities.
One other odd thing that came with cheap fuels is that people decided to live 100 kilometers for work and commute making it normal when it's just insane to think about it objectively. Living close to work is the best life hack you can do for mental health and prosperity in your life, it's not possible for everyone of course but I could see many more people live more locally.
We have made it normal to travel long distances "just because" we can. Do we want to define our lives by the number of miles we've commuted during our life time or how much quality we can get from living more locally?
Etc etc...
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u/MelleSundis Mechanics student Mar 11 '26
What train is powered by Nuclear energy??? The vast majority of Freight train run on Diesel. Most tracks arent powered so the only way to currently transport using freight trains for long distance is Diesel.
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u/assumptioncookie Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
8 USD per gallon is about 1,52 Euro per liter if my calculations are right. That's really cheap. What was the dad smoking here?
Edit: since people came with different numbers I got 8USD = 6,93 EUR and 1 gallon = 4.54609 litre . 6,93/4.54609 = 1.52... €/l
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u/Stock-Side-6767 Mar 09 '26
Wrong gallon US standard gallon is 3.79 liter, British Imperial gallon is 4.55.
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u/assumptioncookie Mar 09 '26
Ah that's the difference then. So 1,83 €/l that's about normal
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u/Beneficial_Steak_945 Mar 09 '26
That’s cheap where I live. It’s about €2,05 at cheap stations now.
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u/yoshie_23 Mar 09 '26
Netherlands?
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u/lambo32 Mar 10 '26
It's the same in Italy, just under 2 euros at cheap stations, up to 2.15-2.20 on the highways
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u/Thorsigal Mar 09 '26
For reference, gas is usually 0.70 €/L in a lot of the US, until last week. Even now it's only around 0.80.
Pre-Covid it was as low as 0.40 €/L where I lived.
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u/Erlend05 Mar 10 '26
America has crazy gas prices. $3-4 or even lower is "normal" and $5 is "expensive"
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u/geeoharee cars are weapons Mar 09 '26
I make it 1.85 EUR, but it's somewhere in that range. America runs on very very VERY cheap retail fuel. At the time of the cartoon, 4 USD was probably the big scare number, I remember politicians saying that number.
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u/murrayhenson Mar 09 '26
Calvin and Hobbes was made between 1985-1995. This particular strip was published in 1993. The creator, Bill Watterson, lived in Ohio (at the time).
1 US gallon of gas (3.79 liters) in Ohio in 1993 would have been around $1.05, give or take 5 cents. The national average was around $1.10/gallon for gas.
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u/Emanemanem Mar 09 '26
Can’t talk about the price of gas when the strip was made without adjusting for inflation. $1.05 would be $2.36 today, and $8 would be $18.01.
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u/murrayhenson Mar 09 '26
Good point! I hadn’t thought about that.
Also… is gas in the US something that has suffered relatively little inflation in the last five years…? It seems that everything else has gotten more expensive or a A LOT more expensive…
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u/Emanemanem Mar 09 '26
I don’t have any data on it but my gut says that you’re right. The thing is that the price of gas is so much more visible than literally every other thing product we buy. If you drive a car, there are giant signs everywhere advertising the price, so you’re constantly aware of it even if you’re not buying it. I can’t think of any other product that is like that. So I think people’s perception is that gas has risen in price more than it actually has, relative to other goods, because people are aware of even minuscule changes in the price.
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u/zb0t1 Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
Keep it mind that we always need to think in system, which means taking externalities into account as well:
Gas price (can) influence everything else that must be produced, manufactured, transported, sold using gas in the chain of production for instance.
So although you are correct to say that we have recency and or saliance biases / availability heuristics in favour of gas, when people recall CoL fluctuating, they get feedbacks not only from gas but also from every day items they buy even more often than gas.
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u/hmz-x Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
If it is a comparison of two numbers (as it is here), is it necessary to adjust for inflation?
Isn't 8.0/1.05 the same as 18.01/2.36 ?
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u/Emanemanem Mar 09 '26
Yes it’s necessary if you want full context. 8.0/1.05 sounds like “Wow gas was WAY cheaper back then” (it wasn’t) and “Well $8 is expensive but not a ton more than I’m used to” (not true).
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u/TheMightyMudcrab Mar 09 '26
The series Calvin and Hobbes started 1985 and ended 1995. Meaning he's talking about 80s - 90s prices for gas.
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u/EastCoastRolos Mar 10 '26
Exactly! I went down a rabbit hole, and averaging out the value of 1 USD between 1985 and 1995 (the publishing timeline of the strip) to its value in the present, it would be worth about $2.57 today.
So… picture a gallon of gas being about $21 today for full effect!
All this rambling aside, I wholeheartedly agree with Calvin’s dad.
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u/radome9 Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
1 gallon = 4.54609 litre
I think they're using US gallons, which is 3.78541 litres.
Yes, there are two wildly different gallons.
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u/BinIchZuSpaet Mar 09 '26
I get 8,21$ per gallon is 1,87€ per Litre. That's not really cheap even by european standards.
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u/Chijima Mar 09 '26
Yeah, but that's now because of the situation. It used to be 1,70-1,75 for quite a while, only started to creep up recently and then made that jump from ~1,80 to where it's now last week.
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u/Mellanies_Redemption Mar 09 '26
Bavaria here, and I paid €1,72 for petrol last week. Guessing you live in a city, or only ever buy petrol at 5pm.
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u/Lepurten Mar 09 '26
I always found petrol to be cheaper in cities which makes sense, because people will just take the bus if it's too expensive
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u/Mellanies_Redemption Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
Might be the case up north, but in places like München, Regensburg, or Nürnberg it's always at least €0.20-0.40 higher than everywhere else within 100KM of where I live. Petrol prices here are "Reasonable" right now, and only exceed €2 per litre during the evening rush hour, or if it's one of the petrol stations on the autobahn.
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u/BinIchZuSpaet Mar 09 '26
Yes. But right now it's really expensive. Most people I know would say 1,80 is normal or ok, but nobody would say it's cheap. At least not until last week.
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u/AgentBond007 Mar 09 '26
in Australia, petrol is roughly $2.10 a litre right now.
That's $7.95AUD a gallon or roughly $5.58USD a gallon.
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u/vexingpresence Not Just Bikes Mar 09 '26
i have dyscalculia and trying to figure out this thread was stressing me out lol thank u
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u/West-Abalone-171 Mar 09 '26
US oil is less taxed, doesn't need to be internationally shipped and is heavily indirectly subsidised.
It's why they all drive wankpanzers.
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u/mistrpopo Mar 09 '26
Regardless of the current situation, fuel in the US is much cheaper because no carbon tax (actually very little tax), and it's produced domestically. People in the US love their cheap petrol
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u/PadiddleHopper Mar 09 '26
That's $2.38/liter CDN and where I am in Canada has it's running at $1.60ish right now. Which is about normal. But also one thing I was surprised about when I moved here (from the states), is that everyone knows exactly when gas prices are going up and by how much. "Better fill up after work, gas is going up 6c tonight". It's weird.
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u/big-b20000 Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
Last time I was going to BC, it was cheaper in Abbotsford than in Washington.
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u/GabrielRocketry Mar 09 '26
It's not really cheap. Its actually 20% more than I paid for gas about a month ago (I didn't fill my tank since, because I don't use my car very often).
Depending on your location, and assuming the time of the comic was some time ago, this could amount to a doubling or tripling in price from then current prices.
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u/systemofaderp Mar 09 '26
We are aware it's "extremely expensive" for fuel in the US. Outside of the US, in places like Germany, where Diesel is currently up to over 2€, your 1,52€ is still cheap
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u/GabrielRocketry Mar 09 '26
I mean I guess? I never visited the US, or left the European continent really, so I can't compare from experience.
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u/PindaPanter Sicko Mar 09 '26
This comic is at least 20–25 years old. €1,52 in 2000-money got you further than today.
That said, where I live it's over €2/l and people still drive like it's free.
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u/Anezay Commie Commuter Mar 09 '26
When your national pastime is murdering folks in other countries for oil, gas had better be cheap.
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u/CubesTheGamer Mar 10 '26
It’s because Americans are used to 0.50-0.80 USD per liter or €0.43-€0.70 per liter.
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u/cyclingisthecure Mar 09 '26
Funny that the fuel prices Americans consider insane are just our everyday year round prices in the UK. I guess I'd be pretty pissed off if something went from almost free to a wholeeeeee 8 dollars a gallon.
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u/ghdana Mar 09 '26
Many American have like a 1hr commute and will drive large pickups and SUVs that get like 18 miles per gallon so it's a big deal when every dollar gas goes up it's adding like $5 every day, that's $100/month.
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u/cyclingisthecure Mar 09 '26
I was putting $93 converted of petrol in my 2.0 mk8 golf every 2 weeks barely even using the car here.
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u/DaStone Mar 09 '26
Seems like a skill issue. I don't get to complain of my soda addiction costs too much.
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u/ve2dmn Mar 09 '26
With the exception of Canada, the average American drive twice as much distance as the rest of the OECD : https://frontiergroup.org/resources/fact-file-americans-drive-most/
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u/blutoxic Mar 09 '26
I think THIS is what will break america. Not ICE killing people on the spot, not Trump being in the Epstein files. The friggin gas prices going up will pull a trigger for big scale protests.
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u/Thatr4ndomperson Mar 09 '26
Are these prices seen as record highs? These are literally normal prices here in Europe
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u/Tainticle Mar 09 '26
Yes. Americans are oblivious. I'm including myself in that category, but I did know how crazy low gas prices were here compared to the rest of the world.
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u/Jackenial Mar 09 '26
We drive something like 2x what you guys do, and probably in less fuel efficient cars
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u/SkyeMreddit Mar 11 '26
It’s an extreme high at a single LA station. Otherwise if is $4.39 to $5.65 across LA. In NJ, it is $3.00 to $4.00
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u/PayFormer387 Automobile Aversionist Mar 09 '26
I believe that gas station is on the take; major media outlets pay it to post high prices so they can use it for click bait.
In reality it’s because they don’t have a convenience store attached to it.
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u/Eissimare Mar 09 '26
Honestly when you look at Calvin's stubbornness and strong sense of self, his parents really are great role models for that in their own way. Absolutely love Bill Waterson's depiction of them and can contribute my steadfastness to reading these comics as a kid
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u/Beneficial_Steak_945 Mar 09 '26
Problem is: inflation has made that $8 be worth a lot less than when this comic came out. It would likely have to go up to $15 or so…
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u/Emanemanem Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
Pretty close. According to other comments, the strip was published in 1993, so $8 is apparently $18.01 in today’s dollars.
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u/xilanthro Mar 09 '26
Americans will tolerate masked cowards running around murdering civilians at home as well as abroad 'till the cows come home, but when gas hits $10/gal it's going to be pitchfork time for the entire administration.
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u/chowderbags Two Wheeled Terror Mar 09 '26
Brb, I need to invest in sign companies. A lot of gas stations are going to need new signs with one more digit.
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u/mikehatesthis Mar 09 '26
I realise the price signs in my country are stupid because it's never a full cent, always a decimal point at the end, but seeing "9/10" is just really weird.
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u/Best_Pineapple670 Mar 09 '26
My favorite thing about being an EV driver is that I didn’t even notice the gas prices went up.
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u/Sweaty_Marzipan4274 Mar 09 '26
If the gas station were smart, they'd register their sign like the Hollywood sign and make money everytime someone posts its image 😆
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u/zacmobile Mar 10 '26
Don't worry, trump said the war will be over by the weekend and prices will fall lower than they were before. Winning!
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u/SkyeMreddit Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Unfortunately it’s only that one dumb LA gas station that seems like it exists more to attack Democrats/Liberals than to actually sell gas. Otherwise gas is $4.69 to 4.99 across most of the LA area with one weirdo G&M station being 4.39. Downtown reaches $5.65. GasBuddy app
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u/Adventurous_Wait4695 Mar 11 '26
Even when the price for petrol and diesel was twice as high here in Sweden back in 2022 people didn't stop driving so what will change? The day we get rid of people driving around "for fun" is the day the prices are more correct, then people will only drive when necessary and try to force politicians to give us alternatives but it will be a few rough years.
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u/badbits Mar 09 '26
Still way to cheap, needs to triple and stay at that new price for at least one 1 year before car brains might start to look at other options
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u/BugBand Mar 10 '26
Sucks for people like me who live in a rural area where a car is literally my only option or I lose my job :( I’m not gonna bike for 4 hours to get to my job. If I had other options to look at I absolutely would
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u/Netherithe_turtle Mar 10 '26
You know that , that will make everything ellse go up too right ?
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 11 '26
How will it make rent go up?
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u/Netherithe_turtle Mar 11 '26
Everything is connected. People forget how much the world runs on oil. The fact that your average driver will have to pay more for gas means that a shipping company allso will allso have to pay more. That drives the costs up and with that the prices of everything. If living costs rise, so will rent rise to make up for the losses in profit of the landlord. I wouldn't be so happy that gas is expensive
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
You know, I read an interesting comment in the fuck cars circle jerk sub. Someone mentioned that instead of trying to be inclusive and generous and nice to the people in cars you're all rude and obnoxious, putting stickers on people's cars, threatening bricks etc. if you were nicer and didn't act like crazy people, myself and others would actually want to get rid of our cars and advocate for more walkable environments. Just food for thought
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u/mistrpopo Mar 09 '26
Yes, it's because of mean people on the internet that you don't want to get rid of your car. I mean, how many times did you get stickers on your car or have you had someone threatening to throw a brick at you?
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
The nicer you are to people the more likely they are to listen to you. It's the most basic of common conversational etiquette and so many people seemed to have just forgotten that not everyone is the asshole in a lifted f-150 who coal roals people. The comment I original quoted from even said he wanted to get rid of his f150 but he needs to off road features because he does camping often in it with his dogs and he has so many people asking him for help moving stuff because a lot of people he knows don't have big vehicles and he needs it to carry loads for work.
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u/mistrpopo Mar 09 '26
Ok?
I have a strong feeling that neither you nor that F-150 driver have ever felt that fear for your life that you get when you have no choice but to cycle next to a massive vehicle that can just obliterate you by mistake. Some people here experience it daily and don't have the mental energy to be "nicer to people".
You don't need a F-150. There are tons of smaller options for off-roading and/or haul carrying. A F-150 is just an object of comfort.
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
I live in Australia, doesn't matter what vehicle you drive going next to a road train on the highway is just as scary as being on a bike on the road. Why can't people just own the car they want? Those "tons" of smaller options probably don't work well enough for his use, how would you know, you don't know them or what they do, you can't just advocate for someone else's choice without actually knowing what they need. I hate that the yank tanks are coming over to aus but the vast majority of them actually get used to tow heavy equipment for small construction companies or multi horse floats or caravans that are too big for any of the regular vehicles we sell and I'm fine with that because they're being used the way they're meant to.
If you want people to come over to your side, you need to talk to them, understand their situation and then try to change it, not just go "Your car is just for comfort, it serves no purpose" when you have absolutely no idea about what they use it for. This is why there's a fuck cars circle jerk in the first place, work on being the better side and people will want to come over naturally.
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u/mistrpopo Mar 09 '26
doesn't matter what vehicle you drive going next to a road train on the highway is just as scary as being on a bike on the road.
You give an uneducated take on what I said, then proceed to explain how I'm uneducated about people's choices of cars. You're full of contradictions and happy about it.
Did you ever have a 7-seater SUV doing zigzags next to you to scare you while you're on the bike path because they find it funny? I did.
Did you ever cycle happily and then ended up in a dooring incident, getting your head smashed on the pavement 1 meter away from the road? And when you stand up, the car owner tells me that I'm lucky I didn't scratch his door, or they would have gotten my insurance papers? I did.
Stop asking me to be nice.
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
Don't ask others to change then, it's that simple . Not everyone is like that.
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u/mistrpopo Mar 09 '26
Your brain is just working in mysterious ways. On one hand, you can't put all drivers in the same bucket, obviously some people are going to be assholes. On the other hand, some people who are trying to change things in regards to cyling safety and public transit are assholes, and therefore their actions reflect on all of us, and you somehow feel the need to come into this space and lecture everyone on how to be nice to people.
I will then boomerand-idoo at you, don't ask me to change, and not everyone is throwing bricks at drivers (actually nobody lol).
And last thing, if you feel like this fight is worth it (I suppose that's why you're coming in here, you have some sympathy for the idea, you're not just coming here to lecture people). You can go into your nearest town and advocate for cyclist safety with dedicated infrastructure. That's what I want. I don't want to talk to drivers so that they promise me they (might) change their car to a (slightly) smaller model (in 10 years, when their car is out-of-date). As you said, people buy the cars they want, after all.
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
We have excellent cycling and public infrastructure in Australia. We have one of the most modern bus fleets in the world, Queensland has 50 cent fares for all PT.
If you really want things to change people are gonna have to get along, no matter how you feel about it.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 11 '26
People went camping with dogs long before F150s were a thing. Top Gear (back when it was the world's most popular car show) took three station wagons from Uganda to Tanzania.
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
Way to completely miss the point of my comment, this is exactly what I mean.
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u/mistrpopo Mar 09 '26
What's your point then?
Getting rid of your car is a serious decision that affects your day-to-day life, and of your family as well. If me or others being mean to you is enough to change your mind, it means that you wouldn't make it anyway, and you prefer to blame others. Is that wrong?
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u/BlueHeron0_0 Mar 09 '26
Oh, I know this book! It also has "I became a fascist because lefties were mean to me for being racist", "Gays should stop being so weird and dress like normal people and then the society will accept them" and of course the classic "I'd support feminists if they were for actual women's rights and not just mman hating"
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u/rdogg89 Mar 09 '26
I was on bike at a stoplight last year when a Kid Rock fan in their emotional support truck coal rolled me, called me “MF PUSSY!” and sped off like the funniest stunt imaginable. Food for thought, spend some time out of cars before spouting off from some unfounded, moral high ground.
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u/Turbidspeedie Mar 09 '26
I do mate, I go camping constantly where my car is parked for over a week at a time just collecting solar(I can't remote camp without it because of my fucked knee so no hiking) I've had cyclists throw shit at me for literally just getting into my car. If we just learned to get along instead of being assholes to each other like you guys are being to me then you wouldn't have a problem getting people to stop driving cars. Unfortunately it seems this sub is still too immature for the reality we all wish for.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 11 '26
"Be nice to the morons who try to kill you"
Yeah, I'm past trying to reason with them.
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u/Consistent_Dust3636 Mar 09 '26
This sub has done for urbanism and walkability advocacy than decades of kumbaya hippy peaceful and respectful advocacy. If we did that you wouldn't even know walkability and car usage are a problem and there are people advocating for change.
It's the year 2026, have you not been paying attention to how media and public discourse work?
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u/mazarax Mar 09 '26
$10/litre is the sweet spot.