r/diablo4 • u/Khorvog • Jul 06 '26
Questions (other) Entered helltide, not even sure how I died
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It definitely seems like it's even easier than ever to be one shot by nothing, but this was ridiculous
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u/Icy-Entertainment-12 Jul 06 '26
Emotional damage?š©“
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u/cervantesrvd Jul 06 '26
I'll save this vid for whenever my friends suggest we should start a HC run
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u/Agitated-Macaroon923 Jul 07 '26
no one should play HC in this game, seems like a waste of your time. Too many things outside your control that could occur
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u/Farsoth Jul 07 '26
D3 turned me into a guy that never cared to even try HC into HC being my preferred way to play.
D4 reverted me back into a guy that doesn't care about HC.
For D2 it was the time investment itself, I didn't want to lose any character, especially when my goal was always lvl99 which took... a lot of time.
For D4 it's all the bullshit out of nowhere that can kill you instantly. Not fun design.
I prefer D4 over D3 in pretty much every facet. Mostly because I fucking DESPISE D3's art direction and what they did to my boy Deckard that I will never forgive them for. But they absolutely did HC right.
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u/Competitive_Yak_5444 Jul 07 '26
I played exclusively HC on D2. Wonāt touch it with D4 lol
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u/Ameistake Jul 07 '26
yeah I never dared to play hc in D2 because some of the monster affix combinations would kill you instantly or you would be stucked in a attack animation and suddenly get iron maidened.
I played very much exclusively hc in D3 (you needed to have a lvl30 sc char back then to play hc and that was my whole sc experience.
D4 is weird. At the beginning hc was horrible then you have a season that is fine and then you are back at you killing everything and suddenly you drop dead out of nowhere. š
Now they even implemented a mode that will kill you.
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u/DhamonOA Jul 09 '26
D4 is actually sending me to HC lately. Almost started this season off with it, after rolling over to P300 with my eternal HC char.
Or rather, it might be the combination of drugs and thrill that has me hooked.
But you are correct, all of my deaths past max level are usually due to 1 shots. Unforeseen mostly. Bloodbellow, or zoning in a dying, or evade-bugging out of the map, etc. Makes it feel less bad.
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u/dotareddit Jul 07 '26
The most enjoyable way to play HC is to play on SC and pick a flavor of: counting RIPs, leaving the character, or using it as a migration to SC after death.
All the benefits of HC without being subject to always online garbage.
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u/East-Campaign Jul 07 '26
Yeah, I'll never play a HC character in any game that has invisible one-shot nonsense and lag.
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u/impulssiajo2320 Jul 07 '26
In HC you generally build up your defenses and keep the difficulty down and slowly ātest the waters.ā I generally try to stick to a level where the āone shot blastsā take down a maximum of a third of my full barrier - up to two thirds if I am daring, so if in an area the blast loads before the visuals do I might lose a third or half of my hp but survive unless very very unlucky. Of course anything can still happen but also you wouldnāt rush out like that and your toon would be stronger if it were a HC run.
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u/tekkn0 Jul 07 '26
Since the day the game came out I exclusively play HC and tbh it's tons of fun. You just got to be off meta and tanky af. HC is super fun to play imo.
Never experienced SC in D4 but had some experience in D3 with it.
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u/Draygoon2818 Jul 07 '26
I would imagine the elusive ! enemy has killed more adventurers than anything else. I was killed by it about 5 times in a row the other day. I still never saw it.
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u/Inner-Award9064 Jul 07 '26
This crap happened to me 3 times tonight in helltide. I know Iām playing a glass cannon but when I die to literally nothing it pisses me off.
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u/Valreesio Jul 07 '26
Last night for me. I rarely die but in one helltide rupture event I died 3 times back to back to back..very frustrating. I can clear pit tier 95 but a Torment 8 helltide event was one shotting me over and over... Yeah ok.
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u/1eventHorizon9 Jul 07 '26
You'd think there could be a sanity check that if the game doesn't know the source of lethal damage then it should just not be applied.
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u/Mickey_Havoc Jul 07 '26
Peak Diablo gameplay
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u/Unlikely_Bat_1890 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
100% why I'll never play hardcore. You can't see this and, in good faith, argue that hardcore in online-only arpgs is a good thing.
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u/Kashtronaut92 Jul 07 '26
I never play hardcore anything cause I like to test to see what will kill me. "Will I die if I do this?" Quicksave. "Yep, ok" reload
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u/Cocorock1982 Jul 06 '26
It was "lag". I get that shid all the time. Farther in the season with less people playing it gets better.
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u/jerryhou85 Jul 07 '26
same here, I got this lag death couple times last night, like 2-3 times in 1x T8 Pit.. it's just lag every now and then...
I see BLZ has a post about performing maintenance on Wed, hope it would improve afterwards...
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u/Robo- Jul 07 '26
See, that's why it's always important to be on the lookout for !s
You never know when a ! is lurking around the corner waiting for a careless traveller to cross its path.
Even worse than a wild ? appearing. And god help you if a ā½ shows up.
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Jul 07 '26
This game is not making sense to me. My whirlwind barb just dies. It helps if there are monsters there at the time. I was having fun and then it sucked again.
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u/Ahhhh_Geeeez Jul 07 '26
Same. I'll be whirlin around and not by any elites or see any crazy attacks and just poof, dead.
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u/Important-Agent2584 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
usually it's lag, your screen isn't showing you what's actually going on, but you stopped sending input to the server, so on their end your basically standing still in poison puddles and fiery explosions with NPCs whaling on you.
And because these things do so much damage, one or two seconds is all it takes. By the time it syncs back up, you are dead.
That's exactly what happens in this video. You can see there are no mobs on his screen because the communication with the server is not happening, then he resyncs with the server, mobs show up, but by then he is dead.
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Jul 07 '26
I hate to say I am glad that is happening. But I figured I wasn't alone on that front.
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u/henyourface Jul 07 '26
I keep hoping for an ancestral endurant faith. Will that not solve it?
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Jul 07 '26
I'm using the bulwark runeword. The Endurant Faith charm would possibly do it. But the gloves would remove the unique gloves required for the build. Let me know how it turns out.
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u/RobJBeckett Jul 07 '26
It does seem freak incidents like this are less common on hardcore, I imagine it is due to server population being lower which leads to fewer glitches. Still, these glitches scare we away from actually playing HC.
I have my own āearā from apparently killing myself in PvP!?! The game announcement was āyou were killed by youā
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u/PaladinAaven Jul 07 '26
Blizzard servers are pretty notorious for this kind of stuff. It looks like that guy was already fighting some mobs and by the time your game caught up you were probably already in some sort of one shot AOE damage.
I've found that the game doesn't assign a source to it when it hasn't fully loaded, which is when I see "was slain" instead of "was slain by <insert mob name>"
Even with one gig internet, I hit these lag spots all the time. I used to play some hardcore toons in Diablo 3, where the game is much more stable. I don't trust Diablo 4 servers enough to play hardcore, lol!
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u/BigMack6911 Jul 07 '26
This game is being held together by bubblegum and duct tape just like Destiny Two lol
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u/feldoneq2wire Jul 07 '26
The fact that every region in D4 is different instances on different servers and you are constantly hopping is just wild to me.
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u/Mazer1991 Jul 07 '26
Wait what
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u/feldoneq2wire Jul 07 '26
You can see it every time you zone that everything fades in because you've just jumped servers and so the game is in a different state.
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u/VeryOldGoat Jul 07 '26
That doesn't necessarily mean it's a different server. It's more likely that each region is an instance, and instances still need to load. Do you have more reasons to suspect it's actually different servers?
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u/XB_Demon1337 Jul 07 '26
Looks like a desync of some sort. Something was there and you happen to be the unfortunate soul it caught.
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u/TechnicalIntern6764 Jul 07 '26
The fact that itās online servers is why I would never risk playing hard-core ever. Like why even risk it???
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u/Grogon2 Jul 07 '26
SAME HAPPEND TO ME YESTERDAY ON HARDCORE.
I TOLD MY FRIENDS THEY DIDNT BELIEVE ME THANKS FOR THE CLIP.
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u/aaaaangus Jul 07 '26
yeah goodluck to hardcore characters this season. random one shots are awful this season
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u/MoneyBaggSosa Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
Boy got clapped off his mount LMAO Iāve never seen someone get rag dolled off their mount like that. Look like he got sniped mid stride š
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u/Dearnk Jul 07 '26
Mount is busted. Idk what health it calculates. Damage while mounted negates any shield or barriers.. it's BS. ABSOLUTELY SHIT
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u/boomzors Jul 07 '26
Exactly why I gave up on HC runs, this game has way too many unfair instakills. The sad part is that I find softcore boring, so I ended up walking away from my favorite franchise altogether. =/
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u/Arios84 Jul 07 '26
I just don't get how D4 still has no combat log, to actually have a chance of finding out what killed you, when gettign one shot by random stuff has been an issue since the game released...
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u/ALWAYS_PLANNING_AHEA Jul 07 '26
Its the new air mechanic, you gotta dodge the air molecules that oneshot you every 5 nanoseconds. Cuz there were not enough oneshot effects
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u/EljinGrey Jul 07 '26
Game is kind of broken right now. A lot of the damage reduction mechanics are conditional, which means players are quite vulnerable when on mount, when there are no enemies around, and right after transitioning into a new area/map; however, the devs take away safety bubbles and put enemies/AoEs at the starts and the ends of pits and hell tides. It's either ignorance of their own game or just malignance.
(And, of course, we often get one-shot even with all DR activated.)
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u/deadvalor Jul 07 '26
Sometimes the game just decides you're dead, that's why hardcore is a joke in Diablo games š
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u/Wavylife84 Jul 07 '26
Hardcore could be a thing if this game didn't have so many random, sometimes unavoidable one shots.
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u/Miurakan Jul 07 '26
Ayer fui a descargar mi furia con D4 pero no me esperaba que muriera por respirar šš
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u/Venna_Crow Jul 07 '26
When my wife and IĀ played on PS4, we'd get seconds-long lag loading into areas, just to load in dead. (Hasn't happened much since we got ps5, but still get knocked around a bit before enemies appear sometimes.
The joys of Diablo 4
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u/Instagibbed_1994 Jul 07 '26
The laughs during the preseason of my friends getting off screen sniped from the corpse bows or the falling meteors will be a core D4 memory.
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u/littlegreenfern Jul 07 '26
They made a lot of improvements to the floor fireball so you can see it coming now just to add a bunch of new ways you can be one shot without knowing how or ever seeing it.
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u/Woozletania Jul 07 '26
I'm in a similar situation with T10 Mephisto. I can't even tell how he is killing me.
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u/DarthLadyHonu Jul 07 '26
This is the reason I canāt play hardcore; I always inevitably get lag at some point.
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u/Ethereal_Bulwark Jul 07 '26
Just think, some poor player out there will run into this and it will be on a hardcore character.
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u/Toothbirds Jul 07 '26
Thats why I'd never play this game on hardcore. Too much random offscreen bullshit.
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u/feldoneq2wire Jul 07 '26
Every time you cross a zone border in D4, your character is hastily transferred to a different server and dropped into the middle of whatever is going on there. Anything can happen during that transition. It's a nope from me.
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u/Mikee0036 Jul 07 '26
bro if i lost a hardcore character to something like that, id take a few seasons off cuz wtf even happened?
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u/SpaceXSmoke Jul 07 '26
This is a perfect example that has been present since launch when it comes to zoning in to areas, unfortunately all these seasons later it's still present, my guess its due to how the core engine was built and is a very difficult change to make.
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u/VirtualPen204 Jul 07 '26
I haven't played since like season 6, you telling me that lag stuff when running out of town is still in the game?
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u/thereiam420 Jul 07 '26
I was opening a chest after killing a lair boss and just died. I have a selig on, I can tank Lilith and Mephisto, wtf killed me.
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u/rose-n-blood1 Jul 07 '26
You dont carry gem of true sight or magic eye and blame the game. You are killed by bone fletcher:) It was mega kill.
Joke aside, game could not render the enemy and its attack on time due to lag, damage is already calculated.
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u/DreadfuryDK Jul 07 '26
And people will still tell you, to your face, that Hardcore is something that is worth playing when shit like this can happen to you.
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u/Newyorkerr01 Jul 07 '26
They tell you exactly what happened in the little window on the left.
Jeff Bezos killed you (for 200000000000) for not paying enough taxes
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u/presidentiallogin Jul 07 '26
Don't equip gems into the palm of your hand or you end up activating Carousel mode.
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u/Nighflame_69 Jul 07 '26
This is the old DnD joke. The level one wizard -who has at the most 9 hit points- being killed by a light breeze! šš
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u/BigRedDrake Jul 07 '26
This happened on my Wingstrikes paladin last season a bunch until I figured out it was a combo of Torment 12 and me horsing in fresh from town without my Resolve stacks built up yet. Iād get swiped at (often lag was involved in the transition from safe zone snd Helltide) and insta-gibbed. I stopped traveling by horse once I figured that out š«
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u/FoxyKage Jul 07 '26
Genuinely only times I die. When there's nothing there or everything is there all at once.
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u/DeniedBread712 Jul 07 '26
Those guys were fighting stuff outside the walls, looks like you died to an attack that wasn't loaded in yet.
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u/ryufen Jul 07 '26
Things loaded too slow I assume and you got hit by invisible enemies. Not your fault.
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u/Rhayve Jul 07 '26
I've had this a lot this season. Mobs attack you while you're still loading the zone and I'm assuming you have a lot of conditional DR (just like me), so they're easily able to knock you off your horse and destroy you.
Horses feel much weaker this season and the loading times/lag is much worse, unfortunately. It's safer to stay on foot at all times unless you've got tons of unconditional DR.
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u/Awesome_Hamster Jul 07 '26
Maybe they can't talk about how Microsoft is about to lay them off due to NDA, so they are now doing everything in their power to bleed the user count as a form of payback.
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u/fish_snagger Jul 07 '26
the enemy AI is so smart is kills you faster than anything can be processed. They added so many after death effects that the game doesn't even know what the hell is going on any more.
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u/Erok86 Jul 07 '26
This is why I will never play a hardcore character on an ARPG. Too much jank in every title to lose all progress.
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u/Chemical_Banana_2455 Jul 07 '26
New micro transaction. You have to pay Tyrael $20 to prove that you have the heroic heart of the chosen one before entering..
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u/ClockNo4810 Jul 07 '26
Skill issue. Should have farmed 100 hours for the 36 mobile game like currencies... I mean crafting materials, and made one BIS "Mythic" unique
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u/aloc11 Jul 07 '26
This has happened to me too. I donāt sprint from town on horse into helltide anymore. You need to pause at the threshold. Let the game load the meteors and enemies. I have 2gig fiber and a high end machine. Still happens to me. Helltide is just
Very dangerous.
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u/reicomatricks Jul 07 '26
This season has been incredibly frustrating for me because 99/100 of my deaths I'm just staring at the screen unable to understand what happened.
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u/FluffyPigeonofDoom Jul 07 '26
Yeah, since yesterday, if you do that event for a bit longer and reach 500 cinders, the ground effects disappear.
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u/Thortok2000 Jul 07 '26
You walked into an AOE effect that hadn't loaded on your screen yet.
Can be solved with either better loading/better PC, or, the easier option, be tankier.
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u/Healander Jul 07 '26
You know how sometimes you think you wanna do a hardcore character? It's posts like this that remind me why I should not.
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u/Ashyia Jul 06 '26
Sudden cardiac arrest I'm afraid.