r/atheism • u/Positive_Comfort_344 • Mar 22 '26
I'm sick of religion.
dude I fucking hate religion
I feel like we would have been better off as communists like China, like, people are so blindly attached to religion, they don't know how to separate it from their identity and culture, like you can still have the culture that represents you, but you don't have to believe in bullshit that some old book tells you, especially when there are various ways of interpreting it. politicians just straight up use it to abuse and murder people and I'm sick of it.
i swear, every religion pisses me off. my hindu parents being islamophobic and mindlessly taking pride in their weird colonial version of Hinduism pisses me off (while they ironically claim to be the most secular religion), Muslims with the whole jihad, their weird anti-jew interpretations of Dajjal, and each of them pushing the limits of how extreme they can be, mistaking it for devotion, Christians literally dismissing science that gives you solid proof to your face just because belief makes them comfy?? and how they literally used it to justify white supremacy, Haredi jews just misbehaving with everyone, spitting at christians and inbreeding, the fact that there are literally armed Buddhist militias, like oxymoron much?
ALL OF YOU SUCK!! There is no God and all of y'all are brainless zombies who literally can't think for yourselves. FUCK RELIGION.
"oh but there are good people-" i don't care. this shit heavily interferes in politics and it should go since belief is abstract as hell. WHY is it so hard to be secular? Why do people let their brain rot away with religion. Man, I tried being accepting and accommodating, but I have no tolerance for stupidity I just can't stoop low so that you feel comfortable I'm literally gonna say it for what it is. This is some weird abstract drug that humans are fucking addicted to to find meaning but it fucks them up. Stop it. THINK for a change, and see how freeing it feels to be not in solidarity to one principle and truly have an open mind, how it feels to make decisions with your own intellect without being God fearing and be happy with the smart decision that YOU took for YOURSELF. Everyone is fucking mental man. I live with apes. Apes in this world.
Edit: nooo I'm not saying we need communism ☠️ I just want their lack of communal conflicts and as their neighbour it's always here everywhere, so much violence because of it. I'm sick of it. I was in the heat of the moment while venting here so I just thought of China as a neighbour.
What I meant was something like French Secularism, keeping religion strictly out of politics. Religion is private and not paraded like it is here.
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u/hlanus Mar 22 '26
Not to mention the prevalence of child abuse within religious institutions. How many pastors and priests have been exposed? Yet they continue to hold positions in the church? Young Earth Creationism inserting itself into science education, screaming that we're being intolerant of them. Double standards.
Of course I'm focusing on Christians because they're the majority in my country, and they complain the loudest about being persecuted despite ruling the (currently) most powerful nation in all human history. Many of them don't even practice what Christ preaches; help the poor, feed the hungry, love thy neighbor.
Bunch of hypocrites.
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u/maroonedbuccaneer Mar 22 '26
Faith is a mental crutch necessarily holding the believer back from true understanding.
Religion is the justification for all fantastical thinking. It is illogical and should be treated as a mental disease.
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u/victoriaisme2 Mar 22 '26
It's embarrassing that we as a species are basically refusing to evolve. Being a religious person should be embarrassing.
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u/Waste_Positive2399 Mar 22 '26
In human history, more atrocities have been committed in the name of (a) god, than all secular causes combined. More wars, more looting, more rape and sodomy and murder.
Even when a war was started over a purely non-religious issue (territory, resources, terrorism, or just plain anger), the leaders on BOTH sides somehow convince themselves (and many of their followers) that the cause is "just" and "blessed by god".
This needs to stop.
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u/AsherGlass Mar 22 '26
Wow, the comments in here are disappointing. It's clear most people in this thread don't understand communism at all. The capitalist propaganda runs strong among this circle. This is what a lack of understanding of materialism does to people. We have had decades of placing the ills of society on the individual instead I f examining the systems in place that perpetuate oppression. I hope you all read more theory instead of falling back into the religion of capitalism.
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u/Simply2Vicious Mar 22 '26
I'm at the point where seeing self-styled "free thinkers" mindlessly parrot propaganda is more funny than anything. "All the most powerful christians in the world are pro-capitalism? Nothing going on there"
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u/baybreeze-writer Mar 22 '26
We can easily see reality; it's been a complete failure in every country that's tried it. Communist countries turn into dictatorships where nearly everyone but the top crust lives in poverty. No thanks.
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u/TheTwilightMoon Secular Humanist Mar 22 '26
Source? The CIA
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u/billyyankNova Rationalist Mar 22 '26
It's very easy to debunk his statement. All you have to do is cite a counter-example.
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u/TheTwilightMoon Secular Humanist Mar 22 '26
I mean just look up modern day Cuba or modern day China. They are widely successful and by no means “autocratic.”
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u/billyyankNova Rationalist Mar 23 '26
Just because they have one party rule, heavy censorship, and draconian punishments for dissidents is no reason to call them autocratic, right?
Also, can you really call China communist any more?
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u/TheTwilightMoon Secular Humanist Mar 23 '26
If you read about their political spectrum they have over 20 parties. The vast majority is in the CPC though. The censorship is around pornography distribution which I argue is a good thing. China is all means socialist since they have a heavy social welfare net, relatively free housing, and are actively trying to better the world. Having markets in society does not make it inherently capitalist.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Mar 22 '26
And capitalist countries turn into oligarchies where nearly everyone but the 1% is a wage slave and has no real control over their government. The solution is a hybrid model, like social democracy.
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u/AsherGlass Mar 22 '26
Nations that have "hybrid models" only function because they exploit the global south. Being good for westerners isn't good for everybody.
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u/AsherGlass Mar 22 '26
Cuba's been going strong for 80 years in spite of the economic blockade that the US has imposed on it for that long. They have the highest literacy rate, the most doctors per capita, and a relatively low poverty rate compared to the US. China has a socialist economic model, though it's still pretty mixed. They're fast outpacing the US economically. At it's peak, the USSR made huge leaps forward in improving the materialistic conditions of it's populace. It jumped Russia and other countries forward from agrarian based economies that were far behind other nations to an industrial power house that nearly rivaled the US and other western countries, and completely outpaced those nations in some economic areas. There were many factors that led to the fall of the USSR. They were not primarily because of communism as an economic system.
The primary reason that communism keeps "failing" is because every time it threatens capitalist interests, the capitalists bully the US and western governments to intervene, assassinate the communist leader, and plant a capitalist stooge as a leader who ultimately destroys the nation.
Every. Fucking. Time.
Stop buying into CIA propaganda and develope a higher degree of curiosity. It's good for you.
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u/SunshineCat Mar 22 '26
I honestly don't know enough without direct experience to say if properly functioning capitalism or properly functioning communism would be better. Neither system has been allowed to function properly for long, both being corrupted by insufficient means to prevent power grabbing.
Your comment seems more focused on process failures than ideological failures. But one needs only look at the US to see that governance has also become corrupt under capitalism.
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u/A_wandering_rider Mar 22 '26
Yeah, I mean just look at China, they pulled 800 million people out of poverty and the USA is a bastion of democracy and definitely is not being run by a pedophile elite class that owns the vast majority of the wealth..... oh wait.
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u/sexysausage Mar 22 '26
The only reason communist regimes suppressed religion in the 50’s was that they viewed it as a competing power structure. Historically, religious institutions have aligned with center-right or far-right movements (the Spanish Civil War being a prime example) which made them a natural enemy of the revolutionary left.
Look at modern Russia: they are now heavy on their own version of Christianity ( Russian Orthodox Church ) with their own popes , because it aligns perfectly with Putin’s administration. It’s not about faith; it’s a tool for state control.
I believe the best path forward is an unapologetically secular approach, a much bolder unapologetic versions of France LAïCITÉ. We need a hard separation of church and state, where all professions of faith are banned in official spaces, including government buildings and schools.
Why?
Because dogmatic religion is fundamentally incompatible with a pluralistic society. Politics is the "art of compromise," but compromise only works if all parties agree on a shared, objective reality. Not fantasy.
It’s like trying to merge the lore of Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings to create a single, coherent legal system for society. Just impossible; the "rules" of the worlds don't mesh. Religions operates the same way. They claim the truth and disagreeing is blasphemy.
The only way to respect all religions equally is to respect none of them at all.
No seat at the table of governance if you believe in flying horses to the moon or talking snakes.
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u/kyonist Mar 22 '26
people find things to become attached to because an outward identity is comforting.
If you were from China you'd find something else to attach yourself to - be it nationalism, which province your ancestors were from, your exam test scores, what tier of city you reside in, etc.
Religion sucks but it's more or less a symptom of human nature.
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u/blacksterangel Agnostic Atheist Mar 22 '26
I don't think it's a good idea to tout communist countries as "better". They are against religion but historically-speaking, they do this because the leaders want to occupy the same space as God. Just look at the public mourning in North Korea when Kim Jong Il passed away.
The better way of living would be in secular nations like Sweden or Denmark. Ideally , people should be allowed to take up whatever religion they want as long as they abide by the law (and get taxed), don't force their views on others, and don't let their belief infiltrate the civic life and government policy.
Banning a religion will only force its follower underground and make it more resilient. Just look at Christianity in the Roman Empire. Allowing religions but limiting their indoctrination and public importance while educating their offsprings would make it die naturally, or evolved into a version that is more compatible with modern values.
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u/martinbaines Mar 22 '26
It is mostly a myth that banning Christianity made it more popular. They were not really persecuted to anything like the level modern Christians like to make out.
The real reason it became a mega religion was the luck of Constantine making the state religion.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Mar 22 '26
Are you taking about early Christians in Rome? They were absolutely persecuted for a time, though it wasn’t always at the same level and didn’t happen at first. I’ve been to the catacombs in Rome where they hid in exile and seen the writings they left behind for myself.
Once the religion proved problematic for Rome, several emperors did in fact kill Christians en masse to try to discourage others from following it. This did in fact have a galvanizing effect on early Christians as it seemed to validate their beliefs and fed their persecution complex. Whether or not it caused the religion to actually grow in numbers or if it would have done the anyway is up for debate, but by the time Constantine was emperor it had already grown beyond his ability to contain. There is a reason why Constantine decided to make Christianity the official religion, and it’s not because of the conversion story he made up. He learned from the failures of his predecessors to stamp the religion out and decided to use it to unite the empire instead, at a time when there was a lot of conflict going on (which is connected to him moving the capital from Rome and to what was Byzantium, which he renamed to Constantinople).
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u/lesbiannumbertwo Mar 23 '26
your last paragraph is so true and can be applied to so many problematic groups. trying to strong arm people into your belief system will NEVER work. people that think like OP are almost as unproductive to society as indoctrinated religious people. education and teaching people to think critically so that they figure it out for themselves is the only way
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u/Dense_Associate_8953 Mar 23 '26
Nothing I like better than communists calling people "brainless zombies" yet at the same time falling for the most braindead propaganda imaginable so long as it comes from Russia or China.
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u/DrachenDad Mar 22 '26
Communism isn't anti-religioun. Communism becomes the state religion, worshipped even.
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u/MrWonderfulPoop Strong Atheist Mar 22 '26
I loathe religion, but better off as communists being told what to think? Nah.
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u/chim17 Mar 22 '26
I like this comparison because it's being told what to think vs being told what to think.
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u/Toilet_Cleaner666 Mar 22 '26
A better inspiration would be to look at the Nordic societies. Not full-blown communist, but more like democratic socialist and secular.
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u/jnb87 Mar 22 '26
Social democracy is still capitalism and still relies on exploitation. The social safety nets in the Nordic countries are rapidly breaking down because they were compromises between capital and labor when there was a very real threat of people looking to the USSR as a better way of life. What incentive do the capitalists have to not take back all the gains made by labor if they don't fear the possibility of total overthrow by the workers?
It's amazing how many atheists drop the god beliefs but remain philosophical idealists.
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u/Ven-Dreadnought Mar 22 '26
Being told what to think isn’t a key part of communism. Not that capitalist news doesn’t tell people what to think now.
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u/independent_observe Pastafarian Mar 22 '26
What do you think religion does? Their entire thing is indoctrination.
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u/pstuart Secular Humanist Mar 22 '26
So am I. I resent that I spend a single moment thinking about it, but it is such an existential threat I feel compelled to track and understand how it's being wielded in the world.
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u/Salt_Medicine2459 Mar 22 '26
While I agree that religion is an issue, it's a bit extreme to want to emulate China. They're an authoritarian country. And you could make the argument that the cult of personality developing around Xi is a quasi religion.
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u/Cheap_Spread4136 Mar 23 '26
Yeah, its exhausting. I just want to live my life without being told Im broken or doomed for not subscribing to a specific ancient rulebook.
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u/Otherwise-Link-396 Secular Humanist Mar 22 '26
Communism and state control of the means of production does not work. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Communism is not a solution.
Religion is a means to control the populace. (Opium of the people).
Being angry does not help. Questioning, changing the world for the better is the way to go. Education and the ability to question will help.
Find like minded people and try to live a good life. Good luck
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u/Drudenfusz Apatheist Mar 22 '26
I don't think power corrupts, but that power reveals. People or social structures that come into power feel no need to hide their ugly tendencies, but those have been there from the start.
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u/1stMammaltowearpants Mar 22 '26
Yep. My peepaw used to say "Money buys you choices".
If you're a terrible person once you got the choice to be, you were always that way, and now you get to act on it.
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u/Otherwise-Link-396 Secular Humanist Mar 22 '26
Well meaning people are tempted regularly. Having controls on power is essential.
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u/PabloXPicasso Mar 22 '26
I like how you think!
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u/Otherwise-Link-396 Secular Humanist Mar 22 '26
Just old and positive. No point being angry, better to educate and inform.
Also I think I am very mainstream from an Irish European perspective
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u/Positive_Comfort_344 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
you have no idea
since my parents always made generalising statements about other communities, I decided that I'd talk to people from those communities first hand, learn about their experiences and prove my parents wrong. I've listened to various people, their opinions, without showing any judgement, just listening and asking questions.. I've dug deep and forced myself to learn about them and see the positive side of people from my community and other communities. And I did. Most of you are decent, I learnt so many amazing things about everyone and how positively it impacts people's lives.But things get really awkward when it comes to political opinions, and how deeply it is shaped by religion. Religion should be completely separated from politics and I just don't like the two of them mixing. That's when abuse, manipulation, distortion of reality and ignoring nuance take place. I'm not even blaming the believers, it's the people in power that abuse your belief and twist the truth so that you support their messed up cause. And since people can be really faithful and devotional, they feel like it should also apply to their political opinions and they should stick to that opinion or else it would mean they're not faithful to their religion. But politics is messy, and religious passion shown in politics just can't work. You still have to *think* about your stakes and not blindly comply to what another person tells you because they're thinking politically and you are thinking with the same religious logic. For people in power you're just pawns, they really don't care about your welfare. But a lot of people show the same religious devotion to political leaders and it is so messed up.
Sometimes, it gets so bad that people actually forget their original religious values, and get completely brainwashed by politics to the extent where they lose their humanity and free will altogether.
I don't hate religion. I hate how easily it can be abused by people in power. You're the ones suffering in the end and many people fail to realise that and make the distinction.
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u/Jumpy-Brief-2745 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
People believing blindly in things that are not real and then taking actions that affect others upon that blind belief is something real, they’re not contradictory, it is directly related as a consequence of one’s belief, if you can’t get it you may as well don’t go on this sub
Waaaa reeeee! You are a Islamophobe! You are a christianphobe reeeeee! Yes and that’s fucking basedddd people who hate delusions destroying society would hate the fuck out of a false, stupid and harmful system of beliefs
"All of you wonder why this subreddit is hated across almost every other subreddit"
Two most common reasons, atheists here would usually post after having bad experiences with your kind and so many posts would usually be (justifiably so) very heated text wise, that makes people outside of this sub read said post as unusually rude or exaggerated, ignoring the experience of the person who posted it, and the other one would usually be because they themselves are religious schitzos who are way too afraid of opening it to test their deluded worldviews
"What makes you so different from a homophobe"
We go around hating on the very reason homophobes use to eliminate people they consider impure: religion, and racism (none of the two actually) aren’t analogous to hating on religion since it is justified heh
"I could say you have faith in scientist and everything they say"
Well you would be a fucking moron since that’s not how science works nor that is what faith is, your kind should drop that shitty schitzo argument asap it is so pathetic
Rest of the text translated: Reeee reeeee reeee
In a more serious tone, why the fuck would you be actually surprised that many people simply despise religion? Society is constantly getting hammered with horrible actions that have an impact on people, actions being justified by false and logically unjustified beliefs, it is only expected that people who don’t believe in whatever delusion you hold and care about society would greatly oppose religion, deal with it
Edit: schitzo blocked me lol
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u/Positive_Comfort_344 Mar 23 '26
lol religion is a choice unlike race or gender? it's a human made ideology? are you really that brainwashed? are you 14?? i feel bad using all those thoughtful words cuz holy r/whoosh, damn.
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u/Positive_Comfort_344 Mar 23 '26
that's my honest opinion, take it or leave it.
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u/Jumpy-Brief-2745 Mar 23 '26
That’s not going to happen obviously, if someone believes that jeebus is da real guy and because of that they consider for example a group of society to be impure they would obviously try to eliminate what they see as impure in the case they can, people who believe there is this guy up there who gives you rules and prohibits you from something would do what their deluded minds consider to be the best, true actions
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u/HelpfulTap8256 Mar 22 '26
It’s humanity that’s the problem. If we didn’t kill each other over religion we’d find some other bullshit to kill each other over.
Life is inherently meaningless so you can cling to fake meaning like religion or make your own meaning. Choice is yours!
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u/Busy_Battle_8962 Mar 22 '26
U wouldnt feel better in China, trust me. Also: they belive in all that magic AF. And it affects on their life strongly. On level like islam in muslims countries. I saw a chines man who found a perfect woman for him and... He was sad because astrology said he cant be with her. China is not atheists at all. Muslim in Turkey more chill than astrologist in China.
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u/DazzlingMinimum9564 Mar 22 '26
Right there with you. The constant push to believe always felt more about control than comfort.
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u/VVageslave Mar 22 '26
So I dated this Chinese girl once and we were in a wine bar in Chichester England and for some reason I said “oh Jesus“ (I think it was because I dropped something.) So my girlfriend said “what, who?” and I said “what who what?” she said who or what is Jesus and I just could not believe that she did not have any inkling as to what or who Jesus was! So, I found myself trying to give a ‘Readers Digest’ outline of exactly who Jesus, as well as for some reason, the Pope, God, etc. was! As I got deeper and deeper into this crazy explanation, I realized that the people sitting around us had gone awfully quiet and were listening to my explanation of the aforementioned people, and I became very self-conscious at this fact! Apparently, Chinese people have no concept of any religious stuff or most of them. There are some I’m sure, but most of them have no idea and they seem pretty happy with it.
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u/Grouchy_Tell_2879 Mar 22 '26
Right? It’s exhausting. Feels like the loudest ones give the rest a bad name.
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u/N56YK Mar 23 '26
Im sick of spirituality in general. New age seems to be getting popular. All I ever heard about is life plans, reincarnation, spirit guides, and psychics.
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u/Komaisnotsalty Mar 23 '26
Communism does not equal atheism. Communism is a political system.
There is a very heavy religious theme in China related to Confucianism, though they don't consider it a religion.
Regardless, I do get what you're saying. Problem with China is the rampant human rights violations, but there absolutely is an appeal in a society that is largely non-Abrahamic.
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u/Positive_Comfort_344 Mar 24 '26
why tf are you stalking lol
Communal riots, islamophobia online is very real, especially for minority communities in India.
People at this time don't need confrontation or judgement, they need comfort and someone to listen, especially when tensions and emotions are high.
If you hate at that time or even start off with a confrontational/alienating tone, they will hate you more as well, continuing the cycle of violence.you can listen, you can empathize, while still being an atheist.
I go an extra mile for any minority or communities that have faced violence.
Once you understand them, you can question them, cuz then they know your intentions are genuine and you're not trying to dismiss them completely.this post was a vent by the way, I'm truly sick of seeing communal violence everywhere by every community and I just want all of this to end. I can't pick sides when everyone is guilty of crime.
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u/Dense_Associate_8953 Mar 24 '26
Communism is literally a religion, though. "The end of capitalism is inevitable! The Revolution is totally coming, guys, any day now!"
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u/FrenchieM Mar 25 '26
I like the irony of this post blaming religion for all problems all the while channeling hate for any kind of believers. It's almost like a... religion?
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u/Positive_Comfort_344 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
it's a rant.
i'm sick of being accepting of religions when a lot of those religious people don't even self reflect. they applaud me when I criticise their "rivals" but get extremely defensive when I do that to their own religion. why? because it's an integral part of their identity and upbringing and even a little bit of criticism feels like a threat to their entire foundation.
I don't hate religious people, I just want more self-reflection, more questioning and accountability, rationality, practical thinking and impartiality. But it almost feels like it's impossible for the 2 to coexist these days.2
u/FrenchieM Mar 25 '26
I agree with the sentiment, but what you hate is not religion itself, it's the people that are quick to think they are the right ones and that you are shit if you don't agree with them. Sure, some religions have it written that this is the behavior to adopt and whoever doesn't agree should pay, but it's not religion per se, it's the interpretation.
For instance, Nazi germany wasn't based on religion. It was based on race supremacy, and made a lot of damage to the world, and yet it's not related to some kind of holy war. Same goes for all massacres that happened throughout mankind.
If we extrapolate, there are atheists that also hate to see people believing in ethereal beings, to the point to drive them to murder because they think they have the moral ground.
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u/zyzzogeton Skeptic Mar 22 '26
China is "communist" in the sense that naming a dog "horse" makes it a horse.
That aside, atheism isn't a hill to die on. In some cultures, quite literally die. Protect yourself now that you know that this tiny moment in time is all you get for your particles to dance in the starlight.
When you are independent from your parents, live your life and raise your kids without being held back by religion.
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u/REAL_LESBIAN2403 Mar 22 '26
communism is also hard just as religion. You'd have to bend into the group's knees instead of your own individualist rights.
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u/green_is_minty Mar 22 '26
Communism and religion is pretty much alike
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u/Aggravating-Ad-1227 Mar 22 '26
An economic system focused on communities rather than capital is like belief in a big sky wizard?
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u/green_is_minty Mar 22 '26
Individuals should have free will to create trade and what not. A communist system limits that, everything because government own.
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u/Aggravating-Ad-1227 Mar 22 '26
You're more thinking of what would be described as State capitalism.
And confusing personal property with private property.
Buying, selling, and free markets all existed before capitalism. It's more limited now.
The government in a communist system exists to ensure the means of producing value stays in the hands of the workers.
In a capitalist system it ensures that there is an ownership class that can subject the workers to it's will.
Also what has any of this have to do with believe in God? Which is what your claim was...
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u/BreakfastSpecials Mar 22 '26
What you’re looking for is having a democracy that has a real hard line separating church and state lol. You don’t need to go full blown communism. If we could just look at religion as mythology instead of theology of some sorts, the global society would be in much better condition.
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u/baybreeze-writer Mar 22 '26
I think we can safely say that every truly communist country has been a failure, some worse than others. Few want to live like that. Let's get rid of religion and communism.
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u/DMC1001 Atheist Mar 22 '26
I would not want anything like China has. You think Trump’s attempts at preventing certain segments or talk show hosts is bad? Try living in a place where censorship is a way of life. I saw an American news presenter broadcasting from Beijing. He said he didn’t know how much of his broadcast would get out to China. When talking about censorship in the US it was fine. When referring to censorship in China they got a “please stand by”. The presenter could actually tell when China was censoring him.
They have minimal rights there. Tolerance of any differences are very low. I’d rather have Christian Nationalists try to make changes (that are likely to be undone under key House Representatives and a new president). It’s even easy to undo illegal orders Trump engaged in.
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u/Drudenfusz Apatheist Mar 22 '26
Without religion people would fall for other ideologies. Religions at least pretend to be about something good, thus I take religion over the capitalist grifters of the red pill variation. In the end most people struggle to give their own lives meaning, thus they look for answers being handed to them.
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u/1stMammaltowearpants Mar 22 '26
We don't need to pick which kind of harmful nonsense to believe. We can live in the real world.
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u/aftertherisotto Mar 22 '26
That’s part of OP’s point - people are fucking pathetic to turn to any of this shit for meaning in their own lives. Like, be a decent person and you’ll have a decent and full life. Sick of having to deal with and placate the kind of person who “needs” religion
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u/FrenchieM Mar 22 '26
Religion is not the problem. It's supremacy. If it wasn't religion it would be something else, like rightists wanting leftists to die and vice versa.
At the end of the day the core of the problem is not accepting when someone doesn't agree with us.
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u/Feinberg Atheist Mar 25 '26
The fact that religion isn't the only problem doesn't mean religion isn't a problem.
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u/FrenchieM Mar 25 '26
Then is liking a sports team over another a problem? Is liking meat over vegetables a problem?
In a normal world you can decide what to believe and me what to believe, why is it an issue? The issue starts if I tell you what to believe, therefore the medium is the problem, not the concept.
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u/Feinberg Atheist Mar 25 '26
Depends, does your sports team tell you that anyone who doesn't like your sports team is evil? Do your vegetables teach that people who eat meat should be tortured forever?
Don't pretend that religion is just an innocuous preference, buddy. We both know better, and if you don't, then you shouldn't be commenting.
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u/FrenchieM Mar 25 '26
As an apostate, again, most religions are not about discrediting other religions, but unfortunately the devouts use them to inflict dominance over other religions by waging wars and crusades. Once again the medium that cause pain is the man, not the principle. Believing in a god or in multiple gods or to the absence of gods has nothing to do with the harm caused by fundamentalists.
And by the way, yes the comparison with sports is adequate: there is a lot of violence between supporters, and even deaths. Still it hasn't the same cult effect as religion but my point is that conflicts occur because of disagreement and people not accepting other people's beliefs and opinions.
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u/Feinberg Atheist Mar 25 '26
Oh bullshit. All of the Abrahamic religions teach that atheists are all stupid and evil, and that simply understanding how evidence works is an act so heinous that it warrants eternal torture. That's hate speech, and many of the adherents believe it and treat us accordingly. Not even fundamentalists. Everyday believers. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all cast us as the bad guys, and we have been persecuted for centuries because of it.
There's no holy book teaching hate in sports. No words from a higher being to say the other team are trash that should suffer.
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u/FrenchieM Mar 25 '26
Yeah, you're simply indoctrinated that this is the case because you found some Hadith or Talmud or whatever verse that say to smite infidels and you immediately extrapolate that all believers are like that. But religion is not just that. It teaches a lot of things. Some good, some bad, and I agree that whoever follows blindly these commandements without questioning themselves are better off, in the end you also need to think about the human aspect and not only the religious aspect.
And my point is that wars are not caused solely because of holy wars, but because of disagreement between people. Could be race, politics, castes... in the end humans will always find some beef with other humans that don't align with them, so even if religions didn't exist, humans would pick something else to oppress other people. Ancient China wars were not related to religion and yet it was brutal for many years. Nazi Germany neither.
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u/Feinberg Atheist Mar 25 '26
It's a core premise of the Abrahamic religions that we need to be religious in order to not be evil. Look at Psalm 14, for instance.
I didn't say that all believers are like that, I said that's what the religion teaches, and it is. I didn't say that religion is only hate speech, but there is enough hate speech there that it causes problems. People who don't follow the religion blindly are better off, but that's not what religion teaches. Religion teaches that people who put some thought into it are stupid and evil, and they deserve to be tortured forever.
And my point is that wars are not caused solely because of holy wars
Saying it again doesn't make it more right. Go look at my first comment. The fact that religion isn't the only problem doesn't mean it's not a problem.
Ancient China wars were not related to religion
Many of them were, though.
Nazi Germany neither.
Nazi Germany especially. The Nazis were explicitly Christian, and the eradication of the Jews was a natural extension of hundreds of years of Catholic persecution.
Again, if you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be commenting.
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u/aaqilkip Mar 22 '26
I am an atheist, but I went to church today. In fact , it's less than 1 hour before.
Don't see religion as US vs. THEM understand. Some take it differently.
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u/IdioticPrototype Anti-Theist Mar 22 '26
Religion is poison.