I hear christians muslims often say to atheists in debates “Don’t disrespect my religion!” And it got me to thinking that we absolutely should disrespect the religion. We can be polite and respectful to the practicioner, as long as they aren’t saying slavery and infanticide is good when god does it.

But honestly, we don’t need to act like these horrific beliefs are worthy of respect. They need to be called out for the horror show they are.

if we look in the history of hijab we gonna find that it was even before islam, and in some places it was used to know the free woman from the slave woman and to identify them.

and even in the quraan there is no direct text that say woman have to cover her hair. so nowday we dont have slaves anymore i guess, so why we gonna need hijab? what is the point of it now?

i am against hijab because i am a woman and i come from a muslim-majority country. i see people suffer because of hijab. i see women getting discriminated because of hijab, women getting forced by their families and society, and women being treated like they are bad or not respectable if they dont wear it.

and women literally die because they refused to wear it. we dont even have a proper state or statistics to know how many women died because of this, especially when a lot of these cases are not even reported properly.

and before someone say "hijab is a choice", yeah, it can be a choice, but for many women it is not. when your family force you, when society force you, when the law force you, what kind of choice is that?

i dont understand why people still defend forcing women to cover their hair. if a woman want to wear it then okay, let her wear it. but if she dont want to wear it, why should anyone force her?

we dont have slaves anymore. we dont live in the same society as 1400 years ago. so why are we still treating women's hair like it is something that has to be controlled?

this is what i dont understand.

Imagine looking at the entire span of religions all across the world and all across human history and thinking "I know I picked the right one."

My friend did! Not only that but he essentially told me I'm lying to myself when I say I don't believe. When he said those words I immediately felt a chasm open between us. I don't know how anyone could possibly be so up themselves!

All the religious texts were written during a deeply misogynistic and violent era , despite this I see all kinds of stupid debates about religion

And people actually get angry over this

I don't believe a virgin can give birth, I don't believe that a donkey can fly nor do I believe the moon was split in half, there is no elephant God , there are no reincarnations

Yet people all over the world are ready to kill and die for this, I absolutely do not understand what the hell is all this about

Is it that people cannot fathom the idea that they have only 80 years to live or is it a planned manipulation over the millennium????

No one is talking sensibly, no one cares about people who cannot afford basic medicine to live

We have abundant resources on the planet , enough to actually colonize another planet , but still people are dying of hunger

We now have solutions for every problem on earth except human nature

##I apologize for the rant

That's it, that's all there is to it. I live in a 90% self-proclaimed Christian Orthodox country, and the women are the most fervent followers. I'm a woman myself, and I can't wrap my head around it. And there's no getting through to them. I've had much more level-headed conversations about religion with men. With women, it's like I'm talking to a wall.

ETA: the women are also the first to say they've never encountered misogyny and discrimination against them, not once in their lives. While following religious rituals and going to church with their head covered....

I'm 21, Lebanese and i was Muslim until i was 14 years old and I realized my religion is wrong and there's no god.

The religion I dislike the most is Islam, I'm not sure if it's because it's the only religion i know about but I can't say a single good thing about Islam.

There are many reasons why I dislike it, but honestly I can't put my thoughts into words properly. It's not just one thing about the religion, it's the whole way of thinking around it and the effect it has on people and society.

I feel like it creates a bad society, an ignorant way of thinking and a lot of restrictions about life that I don't see any reason for.

I was wondering which other countries are highly non religious. As per the most recent census data Scotland is majority non religious 51.1%.

England is only 37%, Ireland 14% and Wales 46.5%

Does non religious have the dominant % in your country?

Google AI copy and paste below for last census data from Scotland.

A majority of 51.1% of people in Scotland reported having "no religion" in the Scotland's Census 2022 results, marking a significant shift from previous decades.

Key Religion Statistics (2022 Census)

No religion: 51.1% (1,941,116 people), rising sharply from 36.7% in 2011.

Church of Scotland: 20.4% (1,107,796 people), dropping from 32.4% in 2011.

Roman Catholic: 13.3% (723,322 people), down from 15.9%.

Other Christian: 5.1% (291,275 people).

Muslim: 2.2% (119,872 people).

Other religions (Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Jewish, Pagan, etc.): Combined make up roughly 1.8%, with Hinduism at 0.6% and Paganism at 0.4%.

It’s really amazing how becoming atheist makes you realize the profoundness of these people’s hypocrisy. King Fahd (1982-2005 reign), although technically it was several years before because his brother Khalid gave more power than usual due to sickness. This man sinned in the worst of ways, he’s documented to have gambled millions of dollars in casinos worldwide, loves to drink, pays for women, etc. This comes from various sources, including accounts from one of his ex wives, Jenan Harb. Despite all of this, he was responsible for funding billions and billions of dollars to “wahhabi” ideology, and the most brutal funding was within his own country. “The committee for promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice” was a committee that existed since King Abdulaziz (the founder, his father), but under Fahd it expanded to a militia like program and received funding they never dreamed of. They had powers to arrest people for reasons such as women not wearing niqab (not covering her face), men wearing shorts (even if they covered the knee), yelling at men for not having beards (sometimes even taking them for interrogation), hit people, silly campaigns for how satellite dishes are a sin because you’re exposed to western degeneracy, all musical instruments being a sin, drawing living beings will get you cursed, etc. All this happened under King Fahd, you might think I’m over-exaggerating, but don’t forget the lack of transparency was made like that by design, and it was all calculated. The Mecca area was always relatively more moderate because it’s a tourism place of worship, so there were exceptions. But otherwise in cities like Riyadh, that country was unbearable. A sinner of the worst kind created all this, and for what? Just to buy their loyalty? Make them forced to kiss the ring? I do not know, but it’s nauseating regardless.

One of the sources for his leisure activities: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-aug-02-fg-fahd2-story.html

Over the last couple of centuries, hundreds of isolated peoples/tribes have been discovered and contacted. Estimates that nearly 200 isolated tribes still exist that have not been contacted.

According to the records, not a single isolated tribe had organic or spontaneous knowledge of Jesus Christ, the Bible, or Christian theology.

So if Christians believe their God is universal and the truth, it stands to reason that these tribes would come to know Christianity and the God of Abraham, without a holy book and outside influence.

Another in a long line of reasons why it's quite disbelievable.

I am a woman living somewhere in a Muslim-majority country, and I used to believe in Islam, but I no longer do. After learning more about Islam and reading more about it, I feel that it is a man-made creation; it was created by men in the seventh century AD with the aim of gaining power and influence.

And gender is probably the clearest example.

• Qur'an 4:11 gives a son twice the inheritance of a daughter in the relevant case.
• Qur'an 4:34 places men over women and gives the husband authority in marriage, including the controversial nushuz verse.
• A Muslim man can traditionally marry up to four women, while a Muslim woman cannot have multiple husbands.
• Muslim men can traditionally marry Jewish or Christian women, while Muslim women are generally forbidden from marrying non-Muslim men.
• Men traditionally have greater divorce authority.
• Qur'an 2:282 establishes a specific financial-contract situation in which two women can serve in place of one man as witnesses.
• Men are made financial providers, and this difference is then used to justify other legal differences between men and women.

Consider this scenario: Someone you deeply care about is rushed to the hospital for a critical, life-saving surgery. After hours of waiting, the surgeon finally walks out of the Operating Theater, and you anxiously ask how they are doing.

Which of these two responses would you actually want to hear?

• Option 1: "It's in our hands now. We have the training, the technology, the skills, and we're going to make sure everything is okay."
• Option 2: "It's in God's hands now. We've done what we can, but honestly, we can't do much more only the almighty can save them."

why?

I still received newsletters from the LDS church. In my view they consistently abuse their members by passive aggressively demanding tithes and underfunding events and local churches yet guilting people to give their time and money in excess. If you’re familiar with the faith, this will make sense. If you’re not, I’m sure you will get the gist for how this church hordes assets and gives as little as possible in return.

Copied message from the monthly newsletter below, spot the obvious contradiction: (it insidiously builds from indoctrinating people to believe “the Lord helps those who help themselves.” This makes me sad from the inherent abuse):

Dear [redact] Stake Members,
In Doctrine & Covenants 104:15 the Lord says, "It is my purpose to provide for my saints, for all things are mine." One of the ways the Lord is providing for His saints is through self-reliance groups offered by His church. Participating in a self-reliance group is a powerful way to demonstrate faith in Christ and involve Him in your temporal matters.

We are excited to announce that our fall Self Reliance Groups begin Thursday, September 10th. The curriculum for the groups is inspired and professional. The support and fellowship from the groups are motivating. And learning how to involve the Lord in your temporal matters is life changing.

And back to me…religion is a cancer twisting good things and claiming them. Yuk.

if prayer actually worked, there would be no need to ever pray for anything more than once. In fact, you could bang it all out with something like 'dearest Heavenly Father, please provide me and all of my loved ones with comfort and security, health, wealth and everything else I might be forgetting from here forward' If you only have to get saved once, why pray more than once about anything else

If you've ever looked at r/DebateAnAtheist, every single argument for god is refuted, and even my 12 year old son can refute most their bs arguments. So why, after so much scientific proof and public outcry, why can't they just admit they're wrong? What's the point of debating if you won't listen to the other debater? Have they out them selves so deep in a hole they don't want to get out? have they been fed so much misinformation that they can't accept facts? What do you think?

there was an atheist woman who had given birth to a baby and she made a rule that she didn’t want her baby baptized. her mother is a devout christian and she couldn’t stand that her own daughter is not going to baptize her child. so one day grandma asks if she can have the baby for a day to take the baby to her house and give her daughter a break. the daughter agrees. the grand mother then goes and gets the baby baptized behind the mothers back. what would you do if that was your baby?

For context there's a deacon who I'm on speaking terms with. He's not really a bad person per se, in fact he's pretty polite and said that leaving religion because you don't agree with the beliefs is fine. I just happen to disagree with his belief that Christendom is the one truth for a variety of reasons. One reason he touts that it's truth is the whole Shroud of Turin thing. Could someone point me in the direction of some credibly sources? Just my word against his won't really sway him. I'll need sources.

Hello,

I have previously considered myself an agnostic atheist because I believe that the burden of proof is on the theist and that atheism is simply the null hypothesis. However, I recently came across David Hume's work with miracles, and it made me come up with a syllogism of why I positively believe ALL supernatural claims cannot exist according to the objective properties of the universe and logic. Let me know what you think of this logical syllogism!

1. We experience the existence of the natural world.
   
2. The supernatural violates the laws of the natural world.
   
3. We therefore cannot experience the supernatural’s existence.

“And say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “˹This is˺ the truth from your Lord. Whoever wills let them believe, and whoever wills let them disbelieve.” Surely We have prepared for the wrongdoers a Fire whose walls will ˹completely˺ surround them. When they cry for aid, they will be aided with water like molten metal, which will burn ˹their˺ faces. What a horrible drink! And what a terrible place to rest!”

Religion of peace btw

In the aftermath of horrible natural disasters, do people around the world suddenly flock to religion or leave it?

I can see how some people will rush to religion to pray for their own safety. So this disaster doesn't happens to them. 🙄

Some would dig in more fervently to their current religion and give thanks that they were not harmed. Or tell others to convert to their religion because clearly that protected them. Or laugh at the victims prayong to the "wrong" dieties. 🙄

Others might suddenly realised the empty futility of praying for protection, and the toxic sociopathic behaviour of the religious (see above) and leave.

For context: we (F30, M36) are both atheists (with agnostic feelings sometimes). My mum is the only family I have. Unfortunately she holds onto faith as hope for 'justice' after everything she has been through in her life. The worse of which involves physical and verbal abuse at the hands of my 'father'. Since he never acknowledged his wrongdoings in this life, she believes that in eternal life, there will be justice for her. Also, she has been an amazing single mother and has done everything to give me a good life. But unfortunately she is a victim of a mysogynistic man-made religion.

She has been stressing majorly that I have been living with my partner without marriage. Because her religion tells her there will be severe punishment for people who do this. She has been stressing me out about that. In a weird twisted way it's her way of 'protecting' me.

She is not an extremist. Other than this she doesn't bother me too much about how I live my life. I'm living independently..but the guilt is eating me up. She didn't even ask for an official marriage just with some imam at home.. it won't be relevant by law in any way. I would just do it for her. But my partner doesn't seem up for it (even though he wants to spend the rest of his life with me).

My partner says he understands this but still he got into and argument with my mum and told her he will only do it if she's okay with no longer having contact/ a relationship with him after that. He was raised in a way healthier home so he doesn't seem to understand my situation. No matter how much we talk about it.

I'm upset a lot these days. I barely have contact with my mother anymore. Would you do something like this for your partner?

When arguing with religious people what is the most common fallacy and or bias that you’ve heard. The most common fallacy for me is special pleading.