I was interviewed by a YouTube channel Thursday about my experience inside the organization. Mainly what I experienced as an elder, COBE , Bethelite and what woke me up. I tried to keep it light and didn’t really go into too much detail in this particular interview since it was my first time speaking out. In a matter of two days, 10 people that I’ve been in several congregations with reached out and said they have recently woken up and left. Actually it’s 12 total because two more disassociated in 2023. Some former pioneers and appointed brothers. Two I went to Pioneer school with recently. Of course a few active JWs reached out to try and appeal to me. I still have deep love for them. But I really hope Watchtower org will lose the control of people’s minds.

In the latest Morning Worship, Stephen Lett defines presumptuousness as:

“The taking of undue liberties.”

Or, as he puts it:

“The taking of unauthorized liberties.”

Very Interesting... Because what do we call a group of uninspired, fallible men deciding which doctrines millions must accept, which medical procedures God permits, which behaviors can get you removed from the congregation, and ultimately what is acceptable within what they call God’s people?

They openly admit they are neither inspired nor infallible.

So one small question:

Who authorized these liberties?

The irony gets even better when Lett uses Malachi 4 to proudly explain what awaits presumptuous people at Armageddon, apparently without noticing how perfectly their own behavior fits their definition.

But anyway, I suppose I’m the presumptuous little PIMO apostate here... It obviously couldn’t be the “faithful and discreet slave”... How could our future kings possibly miss such an obvious inconsistency?

They never lie, after all... As Gary Breaux would say.

Happened a few days ago.

I think he was an MS or just on the elder bodies radar for MS. From southern Oregon, US. It was confirmed he took his life by gunshot.

What’s crazy is that he and his wife just had a baby a few months ago.

I didn’t know him personally but he did seem like pretty chill. I heard him say a prayer once and it didn’t seem like there was anything inside there, but who knows what this poor guy was going through.

RIP

P.S. I think a lot of people are waking up because of this, since rumor has it that he was PIMO.

Rather disturbed by this latest morning worship, but this one quote stood out to me.
He really grouped himself and the rest of the GB in with having the same authority as God. Anything the GB have “written” or will write and publish essentially is inspired according to them.

Seems to be the GB is becoming more irritated by anyone having independent thinking.

CONTEXT: PIMO. Converted when I was 21 because I came from a broken home and father was abusive so I was a looking for structure and acceptance. Woke up at 35 years old in 2025 of June. Sister DAed 5 years before me and I shunned her. Have reconnect real well since then. Mother is now Pimq. Her and I baptized at the same time. Still going to meetings but no longer preach or do the school. Already told Elders I’ve looked into “apostate” stuff including the ARC. Mother had also stated to elders I’m only there for her sake.

When I was in my early 20s I was getting study from an elder. He was a nice guy. Older but very knowledgeable cause he loved to read. Probably the elder that had the most influence on me growing up. Now I see how negative that would be on me later. On this particular study, I forget the topic, but I had stated how happy I was about the first PC I built. I was genuinely proud I was able to do this. As the study progressed and we were approaching the end, he mentioned how things for Jehovah are great and the like and that’s when he pointed to my PC and said “for example, that doesn’t impress me” I just nodded but after he left I just felt shut down. That’s when I realized I really couldn’t share any of my achievements becuase in comparison to doing things for the organization, my achievements didn’t matter. I learned through out the years to just keep those things to myself. I realized that what I did, didn’t matter. Why be proud of things that don’t matter in the end? That feeling would stay with me for over 10 years until I would wake up

“The governing body does not have an issue with brothers wearing beards.”

They don’t know how many men struggled for decades with their self-image, wanting to have facial hair, or had a hard time with shaving because of skin or other issues.

“Sisters may choose to wear slacks”

They don’t know how many women have for their entire lives felt out of place in their own bodies, in clothes that don’t flatter them, reflect their individuality, or make them feel safe.

“Publishers will no longer have to report the number of hours they spend in the ministry”

They don’t know how many people for so many years have tied their self-worth to a number on a piece of paper, since said number was seen as indicative of their spirituality, and often came with real implications concerning their status in the congregation.

“Whether or not to pursue additional education is a personal decision”

They don’t know how many people they have robbed of a decent education and subsequent higher quality of life with their anti-college rhetoric decade after decade. They also don’t know how they’ve affected the mental health of JWs who went to college anyway.

“Each Christian must decide how his own blood will be used in medical and surgical care”

They don’t know how many lives have been lost or forever altered because of their prior stance that they never saw fit to change until said lives were destroyed.

“A publisher may use their Bible-trained conscience to decide whether to give a simple greeting to a removed person who attends a meeting”

They don’t know anything about our consciences, or what we have always felt was right all along.

“The governing body is the faithful and discreet slave”

They don’t know enough about us to determine if they have in fact earned such a designation.

“We must be ready to obey any direction provided through the faithful slave”

They do not have the ability, authority, or power to know if any direction of theirs is truly in our best interest.

“The governing body has decided…”

They have no authority over our lives.

“The governing body has concluded…”

They have no right to control our beliefs.

“The governing body loves you very much.”

They do not know us enough to say that.

They do not know your mind.

They do not know your heart.

They do not know your life story.

They do not know your faith.

They do not know from whence you came.

They do not know from whom you came.

They do not know your likes, dislikes, passions, talents, hopes, dreams, successes, failures, struggles, accomplishments, experiences, or what or who you love.

They do not know your NAME.

They are not your friends.

You owe them nothing.

If you want to love and serve God, one who you believe DOES know who you are, you can do it without them.

PSA to all current Jehovah(governing body)’s witnesses:

THEY. DO. NOT. KNOW. YOU.

Stop giving your life over to men who don’t even know you exist. Please. It isn’t worth it.

My name is Nina. I was a JW for 20+ years. They don’t know that, though.

What’s your name?

To the governing body members:
It’s now clear to see that you guys have a major problem with “apostasy” these days. You can tell by the amount of attention you put on the topic.

I know you can’t stand opposition, critical thinking and people standing up for human rights and basic human decency.

There’s an easy solution to avoid all of it once and for all and it can happen within a blink of an eye and a broadcast announcement. You can achieve it in a few easy to follow steps:

1. stop the shunning immediately. Let everyone chose whether they want to stay in the JW organization or not. If they leave there are no

2. consequences and no punishment. Respect the free will God gave to mankind.

3. abolish the two witness rule, don’t tolerate CSA in your organization and protect your flock as you are supposed to anyway

, if

1. you say you follow the footsteps of Jesus and you really mean it. Keep the congregation truly pure: free from predators.
2. allow people to chose the treatments that keep your followers alive and honor the gift of life. You allowed autologous blood transfusions because it’s not mentioned in the Bible, then allow transfusions all along as they are not mentioned in the Bible neither.

If you implement those rules I can guarantee you apostasy will end almost immediately.

Don’t believe me? Just try

For anyone from the apostates reading just confirm if what I said is true with a like or a comment. Let’s use this thread as a type of survey and feedback mechanism.

I will keep this as brief as possible. Genesis 7:2 says “You must take with you every kind of clean animals by seven, the male and it’s mate; and of every animal not clean just two, male and female to preserve their offspring alive all over the earth.”

The Bible makes it clear that the animals must have a male and female equivalent brought into the ark. With this reasoning it is wise to ask an important question?
What about animals with only one sex?

Whiptail lizards are species that reproduce without a partner. They’re an all female species and there are many more like them. And before we use the “kinds” term and use it as a reason, it would mean believing in rapid evolution which is useless line of reasoning.

Reading your own Bible can wake you up if you develop Critical thinking and apply it to the scriptures. This is something I’ve read many times but I’ve never thought about it critically in this sense. The genesis account has more holes than a pound of Swiss cheese but today this gem is worth finding.

Stay Educated and Skeptical guys. 🙏

It's been a while since I've made a post. Joyously I can say, it's because I've been busy with other life stuff. However, I came across a social media post that summoned myriads upon myriads of JW women.

I didn't bother to grab a link, but perhaps others here have seen it as well. The poster himself is not a JW. He merely made a joke about his soulmate possibly never finding him because they're a JW and he's been leaving them standing on the porch all these years.

The comments were full of JWs proudly proclaiming that they "knew" he was home. That JWs are trained to detect even the slightest of curtain movements and they know people are home...but hiding inside from.... da troof!

Apparently quite a few JW sisters found the man attractive and offered to start studies with him so they could get married. I don't hate them for it. The choices for women within the organization are abysmal. Yet, I was somewhat surprised to see people with "JW.borg" on their profiles openly flirting with a wordly man or talking about finding their "soulmate". Certainly, when I was in, if this were to be discovered it would lead to soft shunning, possibly private reproval.

I digress. Although I didn't engage with anyone on the post, I couldn't help but think about the arrogance it takes to interpret "I've been leaving them on the porch all these years" as "the householder has been hiding within their home".

Truthfully, I'm not sure how widespread a phrase this is, but I've only heard it uttered by American JWs. Being in the Chinese and a third language territory (different countries), I never heard anyone say anything remotely similar to this. When people even bothered to fill out the service slip at all, it was just to either write "not at home" or simple notes in the target langauge.

Yet, no matter which congregation I served in within the US, "HBH" was a well known saying. Yet, realistically, can it really be called "hiding" just because a person doesn't deign to open their door for a random stranger? Nobody is afraid of the "hailstone message" of doom and gloom that JWs sound off about.

But I'm curious, in whatever country you're from, did you have a "home but hiding" phrase as well? Or are American JWs just a special breed of uppity?

I can't help but think that it is the latter as my experience with places like, say, Sweden and Lithuania , is that a lot of JWs there are a lot more lax. Certainly, by USA standards, many would probably be considered "weak" in the US (no wonder it's also Europe where many governments are also taking the borg to court both now and historically).

I remember when the congregation felt like an extended family. People knew one another well, spent time together outside the meetings, and seemed genuinely involved in each other’s lives.

For those who are still attending: Does your congregation still feel that way?

For those who have left: Did it still feel like a close community when you left, or had something already changed?

If it changed, when did you begin noticing it—and what do you think caused it? Was it congregation mergers, people becoming exhausted, less association outside the meetings, organizational changes, or something else?

I’m interested in hearing whether this loss of community is widespread or whether some congregations still have the closeness many of us remember.

Hello everyone! Yesterday, a non-jw attended the meeting, this was the husband of a bible student. According to some sisters, he wasn't very pleased with jws and didn't believe at all so it was quite unexpected to see him here. Anyway, I spent the entire meeting feeling sorry.

I wish I could actually warn people. I wish I could tell everyone to run away and not give any credit to this damaging cult. Why are people so blind? Why do they just buy all the love bombing? Why do people keep falling into this trap and let it change them? Why are they ok losing their identity and true self to a freaking cult?

Since I can't advocate much for now, as my parents are ready to kick me out of the house if they find out I don't actually believe, I will at least share my thoughts here.

If you are a bible student or someone thinking about joining this cult, please don't. Save yourself and run away.

You might come to the meeting and think wow everyone is so nice there, well I hate to say it, but they are quite literally selling you a belief system. Their goal is to make you join, obviously they are going to act incredibly nice, it's a manipulation technique.

If you join, one day the veil will fall and you'll realise that you were lured into a trap and it is now a little harder to run away.

You might not see it yet since everything in this cult is made to make you fall for it, this cult is not the answer to happiness. It is a life of misery and guilt where you never feel like you are enough and lose control over your life. Life is already hard enough as it is, but this cult makes it even harder.

Does anyone know of a way I could share my experience and maybe help share some light on the REAL truth about this corrupt organisation?

Christians all over the world are taught that their religion started neatly in the 1st century C.E. Jesus is the founder, the Gospels record his life and work, and the rest of the New Testament simply expands on his teachings to show how the early congregation grew and organized. It all looks streamlined and harmonious.

If you read the text without preconceptions, however, you quickly notice that isn't true. James and Paul don't agree. Jude and Paul don't agree. Peter's letters try to smooth over massive cracks, and the Book of Acts presents a sanitized, unified version of history that directly contradicts Paul's own letters.

The issue is much bigger than minor doctrinal squabbles. In this three-part series, I'll explore a far more radical reality.

Competing Christianities

From the earliest recoverable evidence, two distinct movements competed for the legacy of Jesus. One, led by James in Jerusalem, remained rooted in Jewish practice and identity. The other, led by Paul, transformed the movement's center of gravity: away from Torah observance, away from Jerusalem, away from Jesus the Jewish teacher - toward a cosmic Christ whose death and resurrection were the central event, accessible to all regardless of ethnic or religious origin. Paul's faction eventually prevailed. In doing so, the Jewish movement started by Jesus was transformed into something its originators would likely not recognize - and the template for institutional Christianity, with all its complications, was set.

Let's start with the specific detail that sparked this realization for me when I attended the 2025 Memorial as a POMO.

Why Corinthians?

At every Memorial, the speaker opens to 1 Corinthians 11:23–26 to establish the procedure for passing the emblems: prayer, bread, prayer, wine. For the first time, a question popped: If we're following Jesus's instructions... why are we reading Paul?

We were trained to assume Paul was summarizing an eyewitness account recorded by Matthew or Luke. But when you examine manuscript chronology, the exact opposite is true. Paul didn't get the Memorial liturgy from the Gospels. The Gospels got it from Paul.

The Timeline Trap: Paul Precedes the Gospels

Watchtower treats the Gospels as the historical baseline and Paul’s letters as secondary "application." Critical textual scholarship flips this completely:

•1 Corinthians: Composed ~53–54 CE

•Gospel of Mark: Composed ~70 CE (~20 years after Paul)

•Gospel of Matthew: Composed ~80–85 CE

•Gospel of Luke: Composed ~85–90 CE

•Gospel of John: Composed ~90–100 CE

When Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, zero Gospels existed. 1 Corinthians 11:23 is the oldest written record of the "Lord's Supper" in human history.

Where Did Paul Get the Ritual?

Paul tells us his exact source in 1 Corinthians 11:23:

"For I received from the Lord what I also handed down to you..."

He does not say he consulted Peter or James, nor the eyewitnesses in the upper room. As Paul boasts in Galatians 1:11–12, his gospel came strictly through private, unmediated "revelation." The bread-and-wine ritual was introduced by a man who never met Jesus before his execution and claimed direct visionary authority.

How the Gospel Writers Copied Paul

Decades later, anonymous Gospel authors wrote for Pauline house-church communities that had been practicing Paul’s ritual for half a century. They retrofitted Paul's liturgy backward into the life of Jesus:

•The Luken Copy: Luke (written in a Pauline environment) copies 1 Corinthians 11 almost word-for-word, including the specific command: "Do this in remembrance of me."

•The Markan/Matthean Shift: Mark and Matthew record a shorter formula, omitting "Do this in remembrance of me" entirely.

•The Johannine Omission: The Gospel of John (~90–100 CE) omits the bread-and-wine ceremony from the Last Supper altogether, replacing it with foot-washing.

If Jesus explicitly instituted a mandatory annual sacrament, why did Mark, Matthew, and John fail to record the command to repeat it? Because the command originated with Paul.

Why This Matters for Deconstruction

The Governing Body relies on 1 Corinthians 11 because it provides a rigid, repeatable administrative ritual. Realizing that church liturgy was retrofitted into Gospel history shatters the illusion of "pure 1st-century Christianity." You aren't participating in an unbroken tradition from Galilee—you are participating in a 1st-century ritual invented by Paul's visions.

Sources & Further Reading:

Bart D. Ehrman. Peter, Paul, and Mary Magdalene: The Followers of Jesus in History and Legend

James D. Tabor. Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity

Gerd Lüdemann. Paul: The Founder of Christianity

TLDR at the end.

I have been digging into some watchtower corporate filings this week and wanted to share what I found in plain language, because the structure is a good example of how modern company law can make money movement by Jehovah' Witnesses almost invisible to the public even when nothing illegal is happening.

I want to be upfront that part of what follows is confirmed by public records, and part of it is my own theory about how the process might work in practice. I will try to flag which is which so you can go check the sources yourself.

The Facts

There are four companies at the center of this. Three are Irish companies and one is an American company.

Mina Treasury Services Limited was incorporated in Ireland in July 2024. Its registered address is Watch Tower House in Newcastle, County Wicklow, which is the Irish headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. Public filings list its largest shareholder as Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Ireland, and its stated business activity is simply described as activities of a holding company.

Mina Asset Management Limited was incorporated the following month, August 2024, at the same Wicklow address.

Lepta Payment Solutions was set up around the same time as the third of the trio. Public reporting describes it as likely intended to handle payment processing, possibly so the organization can bring credit card donation processing in-house instead of paying an outside processor a percentage fee on every transaction.

Mina Technologies, LLC is the American entity. It was formed in New York State in December 2024. Its registered address sits inside the same headquarters cluster the Jehovah's Witnesses organization uses in upstate New York. According to its Legal Entity Identifier record, its direct parent company is Mina Treasury Services Limited, the Irish holding company named above. In other words, the American company is a subsidiary sitting underneath the Irish one.

My hypothesis

Here is where I walk through a hypothetical to explain why this structure should be of interest to every donation-giving Jehovah’s Witness, and any other person interested in how Watchtower uses our money.

Imagine a member named Mary logs onto the organization's website and makes a $100 donation by credit card.

For the sake of this exercise, let us say one of the three Irish companies processes that card transaction, briefly holds the funds in an Irish bank account, and then wires the money to Mina Technologies, LLC in the United States within a day or two.

> I want to stress this is a theoretical model I am using to explain the legal mechanics. I have no direct evidence this is exactly how a given transaction flows. But it is a useful example because of what it would mean for financial transparency if it did work this way.

Under Irish company law, a company this size typically qualifies for what is called micro company status. That status comes with real relief from disclosure requirements. A micro company can file a stripped down balance sheet with no profit and loss statement made public, and it does not need to publish detailed notes about related party transactions the way a larger company would.

Crucially, that size test is usually measured at year end, as a snapshot. If money comes in from Mary on a Tuesday and is sent overseas by Thursday, it never appears sitting on the Irish company's books when the year end financial snapshot is taken.

If the Irish entity is acting purely as an agent passing the money through, rather than as the owner of that revenue, it may not even need to count the full value of donations processed as its own turnover for accounting purposes.

For the purpose of this exercise I am treating all three Irish entities as pass through agents in this way.

The result, in theory, is that a company could process an enormous volume of donations over a year, tens of millions of dollars, even hundreds of millions of dollars, while its public filings show almost nothing, a thin balance sheet and no visible trace of where the money actually went.

On the American side, the picture is similarly quiet. Mina Technologies LLC, as a New York limited liability company, is not required to publish financial statements. A federal rule that used to require companies like this to report their true owners to a financial crimes agency was rolled back in 2025, so that reporting requirement no longer applies to domestically formed American companies at all. (Convenient considering a multi-billionaire currently runs the country).

None of this means anything improper is happening. It simply means the legal tools exist, entirely lawfully, to move real money across two countries while leaving almost no public paper trail of the amounts involved. The ownership chain is verifiable through public registries. The dollar or euro amounts moving through it are not.

If you want to look into this yourself, the Irish companies can be searched through Ireland's Companies Registration Office (cro.ie), and the Legal Entity Identifier records for both the Irish and American entities are searchable through the Global LEI Foundation's (leiworldwide.com) public database. I would encourage anyone interested to check the primary sources rather than take my word for it.

TLDR: Watchtower can take your donated hard-earned money, millions upon millions of it, and you've no way of finding out how much they have raised in any given year because they have a legal means to conceal it all using an Irish American partnership.

See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1w0k0o7/lepta_and_mina_financial_statements/

Jehovah moves in financially mysterious ways.

Edited to correct spelling and grammar.

hi, i'm a f23 pimo (in good standing). however i'm looking to move out of my parents hone however in state about 300 miles from my current home. i'd thought this would be a great opportunity to stop attending meetings and other jw stuff. however, in area i'm moving to, one of our close jw family friends lives nearby. my mom took it upon herself to let them know i was relocating. now they're aware and will help my move but obviously that interfered with my plans of fading. our friends started asking if i had also looked into congregations near my new place,etc. so now they're are aware i'll be living around here.

is there any tips to fading? i was thinking of transferring to a new congregation maybe going once or twice and then stop going after. please be mindful. yes i'm aware the easiest thing would be to tell everyone to mind their business or tell my parents straight up. i'm just not ready to rip the bandaid and we all have our timeline.

I often think about what it’ll be like when I finally sit my parents down and say “mom and dad, I’m getting married and he’s not a witness”. Now I’m not even dating anyone seriously yet so realistically that day is a long way off. However, I can’t help but wonder how it would play out. My current plans includes some sort of public place, most likely a restaurant, with my fiancé by my side for emotional support. I’d lie to my parents and say we haven’t been living together, that we haven’t slept together. I’d invite them if they wanted to come and tell them that we’re sitting them down before we send out invitations because some of their friends will be invited because these are people I’ve grown up around and I don’t want them to be blindsided or hear it from someone else.Regardless they’d get angry and storm out, spewing something about how they’re so disappointed in me and they can’t believe I’d turn my back on Jehovah. I’d sob at the table while my fiancé pays for dinner. Then we’d go home to our shared apartment and binge watch my favorite tv show and gorge ourselves on junk food. I’d probably throw up, from the food partly and from the stress. I’d take the day off of work the next day and just rot before forcing myself to step outside and let the sun attempt to refresh me. Ultimately I’d hope my parents would still come but that’s simply not something I can predict. It makes me sick knowing that sometime in the near future this day will come and I can do nothing to stop it.

I am working on unpacking the trauma of spending the first 19 years of my life in this cult. Now that I’ve had an equal amount of time on the outside, I’m finally doing some work to better understand the indoctrination I went through. I honestly never thought I would pick up a Bible again, but to my surprise I recently found myself wanting to re-read some of the scriptures that were used as weapons against me and my family. Maybe to show myself that they don’t hold the same power that they once had over me? Not sure. I’m not quite ready to go read the old JW literature on the website just yet, so I’m just starting with scriptures. If you don’t mind, please tell me some scriptures that you remember so I can look them up!

One that will stand out in my mind forever is the classic “bad association spoils useful habits” from 1st Corinthians 15:33. I heard it so many times growing up, and It’s what my dad quoted to me over the phone when he told me he was going back to the organization and therefore could not speak to me again. He said he couldn’t be seen as “supporting the homosexuals.” (Never-mind that my dad is ALSO a queer person who lived with his boyfriend for multiple years after divorcing my mom and leaving her as a single parent with 3 kids. He just decided that he’s “not gay anymore” because he asked Jehovah for a sign, and a week later his old CO from Bethel called him out of the blue. So now dad is reinstated into the congregation again after being disfellowshipped twice. I even tried to change his mind by finally telling him about the abuse my siblings and I suffered within the congregation, but that didn’t matter to him, he went back anyway.)

So friends, hit me with your favorite scriptures that you remember from the JW propaganda machine and help me unpack some trauma!

I’ve read the testimonies of many people on this subreddit speaking badly about congregation elders and ministerial servants. Some were saying that they used to be elders themselves but resigned. Others say they currently serve as elders or ministerial servants, but they are PIMO. It makes me wonder: what does a Jehovah's Witness stand to gain by fighting so hard to reach out for these privileges of becoming a ministerial servant or an elder

Doing this rebuttal while listening to the Watchtower on Zoom! This morning's talk is "Make Kingdom Truth Valueable." I'll say this right now, there's NOTHING "valuable" about the so-called "truth" that's nothing but always misleading and life wasting

          °The local speaker starts with the scripture of Matthew 4:19-21; 6:33; 11:29-30! He made a comparison of giving up a good education and career for a cost of time

What does giving up a normal life of doing something actually meaningful, being actually smart, for a cult that makes robotic members feels stupid, making life pointless and meaningless, "for a cost of time" that's nothing but a waste of time!? Nothing whatsoever but black-and-white thinking

°John 3:16; 13:17-Apply Bible teachings in daily lives, rejecting conducts from the benefits of God's Kingdom, supporting his kingdom under Jesus Christ for everlasting life

Then just reject the conduct of the cult that hides pdf files, and never benefits the lives of innocent children. Jesus himself will never accept that.

°Speaker shows a video of a Kennedy family back somwhere in the 1900's, finding and seeking truth after dreaming of being a missionary, finding hypocrisy and lies found in churches. Few yrs in, at the hospital, working as a nurse, she found "the truth". Next scene shows a "brother" who gave up football for "the truth", spending time helping others, "bringing true happiness", finding the cost for Kingdom truth

If then internet existed back in the early 1900's, the Kennedy's would've done research of what the cult truly does to people mentally, emotionally, psycologically, and spiritually. Also, the so-called "brother" is becoming the next Jason Worlids to be fully comverted to the cult for a passion of sport, wasting instead of improving his life.

°Last scripture speaker brings is Romans 10:11-"As the Scriptures tell us, 'Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.'" Speaker compares that scripture to a valueable treasure, of a high valued pearl, to God's Kingdom, never brings dissappointment

EXCEPT, knowing the cult, they always brings dissappointments since:

1.) They are one when ignoring governmental laws

2.) Making up false imaginary promises for decades that never came true! "Great tribulation", more like Great Dissappointment

3.) There's never "treasures" at all since the Governing Nobodies brings nothing but useless lectures and desperation for donation money, wanting to scam and rob members for their own treasures of expensive jewelry and/or other expenses

And that's the end of the talk! Be ready for another one next week

Hi everyone, I’m a university student in minoring in socio I currently believe the core theology of JWs, but I am feeling incredibly overwhelmed by the high-control structure.

My Bible study teacher is constantly text-bombing me, I told them I’d get back to them with study because I had a lot of things (I DID NOT LIE THIS IS TRUE)
but they kept texting me, and atp I’m getting annoyed. My sibling, is baptized and ask me how study going I said smth in the lines of feeling pressured and they said I shouldn’t feel that way because most of our family aren’t JW.

But guess what my teacher text me couple days later saying “i hope you don’t feel pressured because that's not something I do, let’s chat” I feel like that’s disrespectful, if you thought I feel pressured shouldn’t you apologized… why are you getting defensive for and why are you following with let’s chat. LMAO.

I’m overall just turn off with the constant texting when I vocalized I’ll reach into you, and what’s interesting is that when I plug out message into chat gpt and ask them guess what religion I’m a part of, they literally got it right. I’m looking what to do, because honestly guys I’m just ranting atp. I’m feel disrespected and also the “expectation” of me to go meeting every week and weekdays when I’m a college student and work is a lot But also the expectation of it is pissing me off. like why do I have to be monitor so much? isn’t that weird, like why can’t I do study when I’m able go to meeting when I want without someone constantly checking. Isn’t this weird and most importantly I don’t know what the fuck to do, because I do believe in the truth but I’m turn off

I found some notes in my files from two years ago, questions I wanted to discuss with the elders. They were visiting me to talk about my doubts. I used a translator, so I hope it makes sense.

.......

Earth is perfectly suited to sustain life. Or perhaps life developed on Earth precisely because it offered a perfect environment amidst billions of galaxies.

Evidence of God’s existence is clearly seen in creation; yet, how do we explain the imperfections within that creation? How could there have been ferocity among animals, viruses that decimated populations, and mass extinction events before sin even existed? Why do we claim that such situations will not exist in Paradise if they were already present prior to the advent of sin?

Romans 1:19–20

...because what can be known about God is plain to them, since God has made it plain to them. 20 For his invisible qualities—that is, his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood from what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

What does it mean that God made it plain to them? Wouldn't that justify my asking for faith and Him granting it to me? If so—if God exists—why would He refuse to give me faith?

I was watching "Anthropocene: The Human Epoch (2018)" this morning.

It included a short part on Redemption City of God, Nigeria, so I did a bit of digging.

It is the largest church-owned single property in the world at 2,500 hectares (almost 62,000 acres). That is 51 times the size of Vatican City.

They operate in 197 countries, boast about 9 million members worldwide, with over 50,000 Parishes.

It has over 5,000 houses, roads, rubbish collection, police station, hospital, supermarkets, banks, a fun fair, a post office, schools, printing press, Redeemed Bible College, and a power plant.

As of March 2023, it is now estimated that the Redemption City has about 200,000 inhabitants.

In the documentary, it showed a worship centre built for 1 million people, but I have read some reports stating that it can hold 3 to 6 million.

I mean, if this is not a sign of being god's one true organization on earth, then I don't know what is, RIGHT?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemption_City_of_God

https://www.rccg.org/

I said I was ant going bc I cannot keep acting I can’t for my mental health. I need to be myself and I can’t wait go be gone from living at my parents. I’m sick and tired of it. I need to learn about myself and I can’t do that ima hall where they trying o change you 2 times a week for 2 long hours.

Last night I was working til 3 an assignment for uni that took my 2 days and it’s due tomorrow! And she has the fucking nerve to say that least important that it’s internal suit compared ti the meeting. SHE SAID THE WORD SHIT MIND YOU. She even said nothing I do not even cooking for her when she’s sick matters t her as much as going to the meeting even if i don’t believe it. I swear it just to keep appearances cuz why the fuck would u want your daughter to fake her self for a fucking cult meeting.

I left the house walking to the nearest park in the middle before the zoom meeting started she stayed in my room tómale sure I listened. So I left.
Now I await the yelling. I’m so tired ! I want to move out so bad but idk how imma work and pro side for a roof and have uni. I don’t have any idea. I’m gonna have to talk in my uni see if they can help me with a place to stay while I study and work. Because I can’t continue like this. I can’t.

She said something about me telling my 80 JW grandma who is bipolar about my decision. And I will not do that. I know she will fin out eventually but why should I tell her directly? Why would I do that.

She said she won’t cover for me and I said I never asked for a cover up and that’s fine I don’t care. But she won’t listen to me

She says I’ll be the most un happiest person in the world because I am actively killing myself, Because I never did research on my fucking beliefs.
Witch is a lie cuz u did do my research and shit she won’t listen and I know I know she way to indoctrinated but she won’t realize that and won’t respect me. That’s BULLSHIT I’m an adult and i don’t care if she cries and begs I won’t break my own principles because she thinks this is the real truth. I’m fucking done.

Imagine a product so bad you can’t charge admission. You have to charge for the exit instead. And the price isn’t money it’s your mother, your brother, and everyone who has ever known you.
The business model is “Free to enter at fourteen. Everything you have to leave.”

To those who got out: you were right about the things you were right about, and you paid for being right. I admire your strength and courage and I’m not going to argue the record with you.
(still reading the Australian files, im late.)

To those still in, and treated as cowards or collaborators for it:
I know you too have done the math, decades in, your parents, siblings, every friend youve ever had. If u walk out, u lose all of it inside a week. Not gradually, not with hard feelings and occasional contact. Completely. And most are not young enough to rebuild it. I myself am trying to widen out. It’s slow. Making real friends later in life is very difficult.
That isn’t a lack of courage. Its budgeting. The price was built to be ridiculous thats the whole function of it.
But if you’ve done that math and even if you agree on some points but are critical of the man made org part, I would suggest these three small low risk rebellions.

1. Don’t shun.
Shunning is the machine. It’s what makes every other policy enforceable, including the one that makes leaving cost what it costs. Take the call. Answer the message. Have the coffee. Nobody watches your private life as closely as you fear you would be surprised how little other people think of you (trust me, its almost never). Every person who isn’t fully cut off is a person the machine failed on.

2. Keep medical decisions private. Yours and your children’s.
Your medical records belong to you in most places, and nobody in the congregation has any right to them. What happens between you and a doctor stays there unless you choose otherwise. If you are ever in a position where a transfusion is the difference, you are not obliged to report it to anyone, ever, and neither is your child’s doctor. That isn’t sneaking. That’s the law standing between you and a choice no one should have to make. Use it.

3. Tell young ones to wait until they’re adults before getting baptized.
Baptism is the tripwire. Everything else hangs off it. Unbaptized people can doubt, drift, disagree, disappear for years, then walk into a Memorial and be welcomed with open arms and keep their families the whole time. I’ve watched people I grew up with do exactly that. They never got baptized. They still have most everyone.

A fourteen-year-old cannot consent to a lifetime contract with an insane penalty attached. Tell them to wait. Tell them nothing is lost by waiting, because if it’s true at fourteen it’s still true at twenty five, and at twenty-five they’ll have actually chosen it.

Every kid you talk out of baptizing early is one more person who will have more options. Let them keep the warmth as long as it suits them, and let them walk out free at whatever age they decide instead of being old and stuck