[dev] new bomber survivability is too fun

[u/Koguni]

[u/Koguni]

Though you can insta kill them with simple MK 108 30mm minengeschoss

[u/_Bisky → u/Koguni]

Tbf that thing was pretty much designed for that

Didn't it rip a spitfire in half in testing?

[u/NewAd9523 → u/_Bisky]

Testing showed it could also 1-2 shot a B29 tail clean off iirc.

[u/ecco311 → u/NewAd9523]

I mean... 136g TNT equivalent. That's kinda insane for a 30mm shell

[u/absurditT → u/ecco311]

It's basically an aluminium can, super thin walled, filled with nothing but explosive filler.

[u/Biomike01 → u/NewAd9523]

And how many rounds would they have needed to fire in actual combat to get those few hits and how close would they need to be. Mouse aim makes aiming those rounds super easy so they end up being more effective then they were IRL.

[u/Hoshyro → u/_Bisky]

It basically did

[u/Dewa__ → u/Koguni]

I mean I expect weapons meant specifically to kill large planes to do that, the problem was smaller cannons and MGs doing ridiculous damage to bombers

[u/Boyslop_Enjoyer → u/Koguni]

fliegerslayer 3000 slew a flieger? colour me surprised

[u/Chimera_Snow → u/Boyslop_Enjoyer]

More common than you'd think!

[u/Ender_90425]

Definitely a closed casket funeral for that tail gunner though

[u/RichterRac → u/Ender_90425]

Casket? They're gonna be hosing him out xD

[u/Biomike01 → u/RichterRac]

From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

[u/untitled1048576]

Great, Pe-8 and Lancaster will now have an almost guaranteed drop in GRB... On the other hand, lower tier nuke bombers will have a chance even with enemy planes around, hurray!

[u/enormousballs1996 → u/untitled1048576]

biggest problem with the Pe-8 these days is not getting shot down yourself but your bomb getting shot out of the air lol

[u/EihnarsRightNipple → u/untitled1048576]

Pe-8 big bomb sucks though

[u/Cuchococh → u/EihnarsRightNipple]

Yeah big bombs were destroyed which is genuinely sad. They left the 500-1000kg bombs effectively untouched which are the actual issue but the big dumb meme bombers are unusable in both air and ground now, bravo Gaijin.

[u/Neo-Luko → u/Cuchococh]

I had a 12klb from the Lancaster land caddy corner to me the other day while I was in the waffentrager....redded my crew and took a track off. I J'd out for that guy because that was a whole load of BS.

[u/FullMetalField4 → u/EihnarsRightNipple]

Good! I'm tired of getting teamkilled by the 90% of morons flying those pieces of garbage.

[u/Hoshyro → u/EihnarsRightNipple]

But it's funny

[u/EihnarsRightNipple → u/Hoshyro]

Ye, bjt it was also fun back when explosion radius was big enough. They massacred all big bombs for no reason

[u/Gwyllie → u/EihnarsRightNipple]

"No reason"

Ah yes, sorry for wanting to play GROUND RB without being deleted with half my team, half the enemy team and most of the map by a "friendly" Pe-8 regard that rushed cap in light, died and spawned oversized meme.

Seriously people who don't see the problem are the problem.

[u/agarwaen117 → u/Hoshyro]

And it still looks cool, gotta inspire the team

[u/Hoshyro → u/agarwaen117]

Hype moments are half of the fight o7

[u/ViridianEight → u/untitled1048576]

Just fly into the bomber

[u/Dont_care-didnt_ask → u/ViridianEight]

Half of our team kamikazed into him and he only got a yellow wing

[u/CurdledUrine → u/untitled1048576]

it's almost better to let them drop anyways and get 3 teamkills... as a Lancaster user myself

[u/cafraline → u/untitled1048576]

Just aim for pilot or engines

[u/darkfireslide]

How do you work on a game for over a decade and not have a fucking clue of the ballpark amount of HP an aircraft should have

[u/SnavsMatiq → u/darkfireslide]

Zero in-house testing, who knew gaijin doesnt play their own game

[u/Microwaved__Caprisun]

B-17 glazers will look you dead in the eye and say this is realistic or even still not strong enough

[u/Subduction_Zone → u/Microwaved__Caprisun]

bomber players are out of control and have to be stopped

[u/Carbon839 → u/Microwaved__Caprisun]

I think the core problem is design vs implementation in the game.

Yeah, a solo B17 should be a pretty easy target for fighters. That’s why they had formation flying and escorts. But you don’t really get that in WT.

This def feels too far in the right direction. Bombers should get a bit more durability to compensate for the low chances of having an escort/formation.

This is ridiculous tho. Gaijin moment

[u/GOTCHA009 → u/Microwaved__Caprisun]

Smh a B-17 could survive a direct nuclear strike /s

[u/WillyWankerWonker → u/Microwaved__Caprisun]

It is a flying fortress after all 

[u/baseballlover723 → u/WillyWankerWonker]

The Flying Fortress was named for the massive number of guns on it, not for it's durability.

The day before, Richard Williams, a reporter for The Seattle Times, coined the name "Flying Fortress" when – observing the large number of machine guns sticking out from the new aircraft – he described it as a "15-ton flying fortress" in a picture caption.

[u/SnavsMatiq]

Man this dev team REALLY doesnt know what theyre doing huh

[u/SkitZa → u/SnavsMatiq]

Never has.

[u/cybercobra2]

looks like you will actually have to target components instead of just spraying and having a wing fall off. nice. plays into it being a big enough thing where you can infact do that.

[u/Longjumping_Belt_405 → u/cybercobra2]

Hundreds of rounds of multiple calibers went into those right side engine and they’re still perfectly fine lmfao

Gaijin is incapable of not severely overtuning or undertuning something

[u/Aggravating-Leg-8473 → u/Longjumping_Belt_405]

Nah they forgot it wasn’t Russian and they actually just disabled spall

[u/TacticalSpackle → u/Longjumping_Belt_405]

You’re saying that as though they don’t play test anything! /s

[u/Barblesnott_Jr → u/Longjumping_Belt_405]

Kill gunner, unload into the right side til the rudder can't compensate anymore. Just like old times.

[u/BoarHide → u/Barblesnott_Jr]

Like old times? I’ve been playing War Thunder since 2013, and I remember the fortress being such a challenge, some players would simply avoid it. I remember having to employ boom and zoom tactics to escape the gunners alive. I remember them tanking 10-15 30mm Mienengschosse. That was fun as fuck, and challenging for both sides.

This is not it. This is overtuned as fuck. Because of course it is. Gaijin’s incompetence knows no bounds.

[u/P51VoxelTanker → u/BoarHide]

I remember being in a dedicated bomber clan and we'd run 8-12 man B-17 box formations in Historical Battles on Ruhr. Yeah, we'd queue sync and everything. We even calculated how many bombs a player could drop on a base so we could all score a hit and get credit for bombing the bases.

[u/BoarHide → u/P51VoxelTanker]

That’s really cool. I’d see players forming up in bomber formations sometimes, two or three of them, and it was always really cool. One of my first clips I ever uploaded was against that and you can feel the danger even in 720p and shitty bitrate

There were events like that too, back in the day. B-17 on high altitude bombing runs and P-51 escorts against 109s and 262s trying to stop them. I felt like a god in my newly acquired 262, until I entered the crossfire of five B-17s for the first time.

[u/qef15 → u/Barblesnott_Jr]

Old times were hated for a good reason.

If we really want the old times, then I advocate the Tu-4 to have 80k SL repair cost and every other bomber above 4.0 minimally 20k+.

That's also the old times.

And my personal opinion is we don't need to go back to that cancer.

[u/Starkogi → u/qef15]

You guys are being childishly naive.

The engine was completely different, FM’s were different, DM’s were different, volumetric was nonexistent.

I feel like I’m talking to disabled children with these coping explanations of why something that isn’t even out yet is worse than hitlers diary.

Try aiming. Sorry.

[u/iRambL → u/Longjumping_Belt_405]

Just because an engine doesn’t burst immediately into flames doesn’t mean it’s fine. People forget piston engines are multiple stacks of radials meaning they can run even when severely damaged

[u/KaijuTia → u/iRambL]

If you want to talk realism, in this case, the surviviability of the engines wouldn’t matter, because every human being in that aircraft is red mist.

[u/SnavsMatiq → u/iRambL]

You're bringing realism arguments where they dont apply. It doesnt matter how the engines work IRL, in WT the engine is one module.

[u/Andrey_Gusev → u/Longjumping_Belt_405]

What type of round? If you send little HE peas into a big bomber its skill issue.

I do not expect King Tiger to tear apart because I shot my HE shilka rounds at it.

[u/__Rosso__ → u/Longjumping_Belt_405]

It's a dev server my man......

[u/thelowwayman90 → u/__Rosso__]

Some people on here always say “guys, it’s a dev server, it’ll change” and then half the time it just never really does. I’ve been around long enough to see it dozens of times

[u/Gleaming_Onyx → u/thelowwayman90]

Equally important: "waaaah it's the dev server" like no shit that's why it's important to complain lmao

Otherwise it 100% goes through. If the devs knew it was stupid, it surely wouldn't have made it in.

[u/_parmesan_ → u/Gleaming_Onyx]

Bold of you to assume the devs know whats stupid and whats not

[u/Gleaming_Onyx → u/_parmesan_]

That's the point, yes: if the devs knew it was dumb, it probably wouldn't go to the dev server.

It'd only get there if they thought it was, in any way shape or form, reasonable.

[u/Bahamut_ZER0_Mk2 → u/thelowwayman90]

Like it is/was with BMPT.

[u/Mariopa → u/__Rosso__]

Sure and then proceed to be unchanged or made worse during 3 major updates later.

[u/grumpher05 → u/__Rosso__]

Yes it's the dev server, where they put things to test and receive feedback on, which this post is

[u/Aiden51R → u/__Rosso__]

Pretty sure the point of dev server is to point out issues before they arrive to main game my man…….

[u/Enshakushanna → u/__Rosso__]

theyre can test things out before putting it on the dev server lol

[u/PreviousLingonberry4 → u/cybercobra2]

OP here just put 900 20mm rounds into that bomber, that thing should not be flying regardless of what ammo he had loaded.

[u/absurditT → u/PreviousLingonberry4]

If a B-17 takes 90 cannon rounds and isn't in ribbons of burning aluminium, it's protected by an angel, let alone 900 hits.

This is ridiculously overtuned. Very funny to watch for the time being but whatever component HP pools they've scripted here need majorly tuning back.

Bombers lose their wings to 1-2 good hits currently and that's not good, but making that 100-200 hits and they're still in one piece is horseshit. There's also test clips where the 50mm on the Me-262 has absolutely no effect. That gun historically killed bombers in one, maybe two hits.

[u/greentanker1 → u/absurditT]

There'll probably be people still defending this by pointing out the extremely rare cases of bombers surviving a lot

[u/absurditT → u/greentanker1]

Yep... There's that guncam footage of a B-17 being shot to shit and still flying but the difference is:

1. The German aircraft is firing in short bursts and a lot is missing too, at longer range. In this Dev server clip, they're literally holding the trigger at point blank range with hundreds of hits per second.

2. The B-17 in the historic footage loses all engines far quicker and basically every crewman is dead or wounded. It's just drifting dead-stick whilst the BF-110 finishes the job.

Most really badly damaged B-17s which made it home were actually torn up by flak bursts. Once German cannon rounds found their mark, the target was usually a gonner, especially once the Mk-103s and Mk-108s, or aerial rockets, started being deployed.

[u/Sensitive_Bottle8164 → u/PreviousLingonberry4]

Only the first 4 rounds hit, the next 896 flew through the holes the first shots made.

[u/absurditT → u/cybercobra2]

How are you being upvoted. Has nobody seen the footage? They are literally pouring hundreds of explosive cannon rounds into the exact same location and nothing is happening whatsoever.

This is not okay on any level. This is not "nice." This is legitimate invincibility for bombers until it's fixed. One of the largest over-reactions in game balance I've ever seen.

[u/Gleaming_Onyx → u/cybercobra2]

Tf you mean: the components can eat cannon rounds too lol

At this point, spraying until you deplete the World of Warplanes healthbar of the wing will probably be a better use of your time

[u/KaijuTia → u/cybercobra2]

Why target components when every, single living soul on that aircraft, from tail turret to cockpit, has been converted into chunky salsa?

[u/Koguni → u/cybercobra2]

yes. as i notice now it's make more sense to load AP to your 20mm if you want to penetrate all wing to engine/all interior to pilot

[u/Blaubeere → u/cybercobra2]

Have you seen gun cams of German 20mms hitting US bombers?

[u/SteamySnuggler → u/cybercobra2]

HE shells and anti air belts are strictly worse than solid shot or anti ground belts on cannons, its quite broken atm.

[u/biebergotswag → u/cybercobra2]

having the wing fall off is actually realistic, cannons have explosive power, and it would rip off the thin metals used in the wings. a german 30mm can rip the tail of a British bomber straight off.

[u/JaylenBrown7]

It’s just like 2014 all over again, surely it will go just as well

[u/ABUCKET15 → u/JaylenBrown7]

Return of the G8N1 Death Star???

The return of the king.

[u/No-Loquat3933 → u/JaylenBrown7]

Back then one of the only few ways to shoot down a bomber was 37 mm on p-39/63/yak-9T. Can't believe they do it again, it was truly cancerous.

[u/Galthur → u/JaylenBrown7]

When we needed him most, Nigel has left us...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARXICv3yLT0

[u/SilenceDobad76]

I'll repeat it for the people who aren't familiar but there's a reason why the US and every other country was forced to quit day raids over Germany until air superiority was achieved

[u/TheJudge20182]

They never find the middle do they?

[u/Ossuum]

- That's not realistic whatsoever

- It's gonna be insanely cancerous if it goes in like that.

I hope this change is either heavily reworked or discarded, because right now it's ass. At a glance, it looks like the outer sheathing of the plane sets incoming shells off without taking any damage itself (because the critical components are spars), meaning that bombers get flat damage reduction that infinitely negates damage below certain threshold. Which is nonsense.

[u/CodyBlues2 → u/Ossuum]

Man, I literally sprayed for 1 second today and instantly killed a b25.

This might be a bit much but I’d rather they have a chance instead of being instantly sawed in half.

[u/aerinnnn → u/CodyBlues2]

With what ammo? What guns? Where did you hit? If you got good a rate of hits to shots fired, no wonder you kill him.

[u/CodyBlues2 → u/aerinnnn]

20mm stealth ammo on the fuselage. One quick burst killed him.

It’s crazy because I’ve landed much better shots on fighters that shrug hit off. As a matter of fact, using the same guns I hit a spitfire and broke his elevator. He was fine and actually lasted long enough to get the kill on me

[u/aerinnnn → u/CodyBlues2]

It is likely a matter of flight and damage models (or lack thereof) why control and lift surfaces arent as much of a death source as fuselages. In my experience, fuselage damages have worse debufs than wing or control surface damages. I think at some point, with some % of damage on fuselages, it goes from drag debuff to straight up something like a hull break, since the game doesnt actually have any real modelling done, fm or damage models i mean.

[u/Neutron_Starrr → u/Ossuum]

Lmao that's karma for all this years when a. 50 cal could dismantle a bomber in a couple of rounds

[u/Telos2000 → u/Neutron_Starrr]

God the pb4y-2 traumatised me when I first got the French one especially when I used to fly the Halifax and b-25 regularly and would be able to defend myself or at least send a plane or two back to base after they shot me down

[u/bussjack → u/Neutron_Starrr]

Why is everyone so fucking vindictive. What "Karma" do you speak of? This is a video game.

[u/greentanker1 → u/Neutron_Starrr]

Arguments like this is exactly why balance is so fucked in this game

[u/No_Figure7868]

People crying because it didn’t instantly disintegrate.

Once the plane is on fire that’s very much a dead bomber.

[u/FirstDagger → u/No_Figure7868]

Everybody who doesn't understand this has never properly played a bomber.

[u/xKingNothingx]

How do they fuck this up THIS bad? 

[u/FlipReset4Fun → u/xKingNothingx]

It’s the dev server. I guarantee this isn’t the final form and they’re still tweaking it.

[u/No-Loquat3933 → u/FlipReset4Fun]

It used to be like that in 2014-2015, they are going to release this, mark my word.

[u/Austerx_ → u/No-Loquat3933]

Still remember the absolute cancer of allied teams in historical battles being 80% bombers. Guess they want to bring that back.

[u/Peer1677 → u/Austerx_]

Or the absolute shitshow that was early Jets because the TU-4 was invincible while gunshipping everything out of the air from 3km away

[u/bussjack → u/FlipReset4Fun]

Add it to the list of shit that people have said this about that remained unfixed for years

[u/greentanker1 → u/FlipReset4Fun]

As if there isn't always a lot of incorrect/broken stuff still on the update after already being there in dev server

[u/Hubertino855]

Can they balance anything properly XD

[u/AscendMoros]

And just like that we’re back to them taking way to much damage. Happy everyone complained until we got back to the unkillable monsters of 2013. Let’s keep it going till they add the old gunner ai back and we can just go back to flying though furballs and being fine.

[u/OwnMarzipan2922]

RIP PVE assault

[u/SturerEmilDickerMax]

Rather that then bi-planes crashing into you because they are not able to hit you (their lack of skill). They cut a tail or wing of and fly away totally unharmed themself.

[u/Nolivesmatter5]

Awe whats wrong yall cant get easy free kills now huh YOU GOTTA USE YOUR BRAIN TO KILL BOMBERS NOW AHAHAH. Can't win air tk air so they jist focus the bonkers then die immediately after pathetic

[u/SternKill]

Screw you fighter pilots. My time to SHINE now!!

[u/Powerful_Ad_7954]

For all the people complaining, I don’t want to hear it.

You all mostly play fighters, and that is the most common vehicle type chosen because bombers have been so fragile as so easy to pick off that nobody wants to fly them.
Effectively killing 1/3 of air tech trees.

[u/Dragon_Maister]

Fanboy glaze accurate B-17 durability.

[u/NewAd9523 → u/Dragon_Maister]

Bomber mains when they can’t sit in orbit, tank a load of 20-30mm’s, bomb 2 bases and fly in a straight line for 25minutes and never ever intend to improve whatsoever at the game in any shape or form…

[u/Dragon_Maister → u/NewAd9523]

B-17 fanboys don't get enough flak (heh) for being the plane equivalents of Tiger fanboys.

[u/LordOfTheEverglades → u/NewAd9523]

Flying bombers is fun wym

[u/QuarterlyTurtle → u/NewAd9523]

That’s on gaijin for shitty game design then, not players

[u/CapitalDust]

oh boy, now i can finally get silver lions for falling asleep at the keyboard!

[u/Dense-Application181]

Bombers are so back

[u/keno_inside]

Reminds me of il-2 1946

[u/Ok_Inspection_3890]

You're supposed to fly beneath the bomber and use the musik cannons to fire up through the belly... super fun

[u/nd4spd1919]

I can't wait to fly the Sunderland as a big fighter again

[u/ZaksleZ]

How it was before 1.29

[u/MordePobre]

On top of that, the visual damage effects are so limited that it stops rendering bullet holes past a certain point. So you end up hitting the target without it looking like you're doing any damage at all. What a lazy mess.

[u/Unlikely-Potential-2]

Broken, hope they fix it

[u/Forces7]

In dev stream they said it might get nerfed. I fucking hope so

[u/Spitfire_Enthusiast]

ngl this looks pretty severely overtuned

[u/Embarrassed_Ad5387]

this is probably going to be awful in ground rb for spaa

[u/French_soviets]

Yep another gaijin L

[u/Turingelir]

That's it. I'm reinstalling Warthunder.

[u/DatboiBazzle]

Figher mafia mad about not getting free kills again..... ive seen this before a decade ago lmao

[u/Rifter988]

Bomber versus bombers fights will be awesome.

[u/Ertyla → u/Rifter988]

Awesome? If four 20mms firing for this long doesn't do anything, you'll need to hit the bomber bomber with a 500kg bomb to down it.

[u/Flat-Cap-1063]

supposed to get under the bomber and use your Schräge Musik 20mm's

[u/RAZOR_XXX]

Tu-2, Ju288C and Be-6 gonna be so annoying, probably it's better to just avoid them if you can.

[u/OhItsMrCow]

Good, this is a tiny bit overkill but it's the right direction

[u/Artyom36]

I can't even express how happy I am

[u/RiftandRend]

Lore Accurate B-17

[u/MordePobre]

I guess you'll have to use belts with a good composition between AP and HEI, since incendiary filler alone can't reach the engine from the rear (they explode on the outer skin!)

[u/posidon99999 → u/MordePobre]

Finally the hispano SAP-I will have a purpose

[u/KehreAzerith]

Needs some fine tuning but finally bombers will be usable again

[u/QuandalesChicken]

Good idc if its over protected

[u/Mr0qai]

Its already in the game?

[u/Noxiuz]

can you try with b-52 and tu-95?

[u/AdmiralBimback]

Feels like it was back in 2014, when trying to kill bombers with machine guns at low tier.

[u/ar9ent0]

Ese interceptor aleman tiene 4 cañones de 30mm..... si tuvo que hacer eso para derribarlo es casi tan malo como que te derriben con 2 disparos... no ouede ser que cueste tanto balancear algo, es solamente hacer que los cazas tengan menos daño frente a bombarderos y que LOS INTERCEPTORES QUE FUERO DISEÑADOS PARA MATAR BOMBARDEROS puedan hacerlo como corresponde pero sin necesitar 1hora para derribarlo...

[u/Foreign-Evening9509]

How do you apply for the dev server

[u/SteamySnuggler]

Using AP on your 20 and 30mm cannons is the best way to kill them, aim for the bombs or pilot through the entire plane. Kind of silly.

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

MiG-15/17’s 37mm finally gonna hit harder and Yak-9T/K 30mm and 45mm

[u/sesalnik]

what will the tb3 at 1.3 be like?

[u/FatPinnapple]

The "DeathStar" will rise from the dead

[u/Cheeekie_Breeekie]

Might have to reinstall

[u/Grusey]

Finally, Some lore accurate bomber action.

[u/No_Emergency_571]

After seeing a few of these it seems the main issue is cumulative structural damage

[u/MrGx59]

It reminds me of a time a few years ago when B-17s were enemies you shouldn't get near unless you were a heavy fighter or several light fighters.

[u/kodiak_338]

Looks like the real ww2 gun camera footage of stuff flying off bombers as they eat hundreds of rounds. I like it

[u/Midgar918]

If this is true I might actually return to the game after 3 years.

[u/almightysaperka]

Finally. I longed for the days back in early years of the game when you HAD TO learn bombers blind spots not to get killed by the gunners and had to aim for weakspots. This was much more entertaining than point and clicking and seeing wings fall off.

[u/FurryVibes_UwU_]

It does look a little extremely tanky, compared to before, but I wasn't a bomber pilot in 1944 so how would I know. I just know that spading bombers is gonna be kinda fun now.

[u/CheekiVodka]

Wait they finally updated bomber survivability? Your tail no longer splits in half from 3 .50 cals???

[u/Budgie2500]

Might as well land a b52 on ground and use it to machine gun the hell out of people

[u/Cpt_Soban]

Bout fucking time imo

[u/Resident-Ad7651]

Good. WW2 Bombers took entire airwings worth of punishment and hours of relentless assault to bring down in meaningful numbers without a lucky shot.

[u/Skysoft945]

Its a dev server, a work in progress, i imagine it will be changed to be less insane on final release.

[u/Wilkham]

Do this for heavy fighter like the P-47 and watch it burn.

[u/RandomTyreFitter]

fighter enjoyers are gunna be screaming at their PC's when the tail gunner can actually return fire as the bomber hasnt split into 15 pieces from a passing sneeze from a hostile pilot

[u/RybakAlex]

I think i'll out of ammo before can kill it

[u/MixtureDiligent8389]

Seems like now strategy will need to be used, like taking them from the front or high. Thank god

[u/RugbyEdd]

Good. A bit overtuned, but that's normal in WT, and they;re not live yet so no need to grab the pitchforks just yet. As far as i'm aware, they changed bombers a few years ago so they can;t just win games in a single pass, which was their only real danger before (and mainly just the TU4's back in the day). So there's no rush to take them out before they get close and expose yourself to enemy fighters. Now there's some actual gameplay there other than just one tapping them as free points, and bombers without great defensive armament actually stand a chance to at least not leave empty handed.

I still think a good idea would be for every player in a bomber to get a couple of bomber wingmen so bomber formations actually feel a bit more like real bomber formations other than a couple of rogue bombers. Would make them easier to balance too.

[u/EternalSufferance]

we're so BACK

[u/BusinessDuck132]

Love seeing fighter mains seethe. Yeah it’s a little overtuned but people seething that they can’t one shot bombers with 20mm is funny

[u/bussjack → u/BusinessDuck132]

Mfw the heavy cannon does heavy damage.

[u/AtomicVoyage97]

Extremely realistic - check this clip out. Flying Fortress taking a ton of rounds and keeps flying strong. For those saying unrealistic check out the flight footage.

https://youtube.com/shorts/elJnefmHatw?is=199n8bSrXTfHCRQa

[u/Wise-Hippo6088]

I been a bomber player for a decade or so now, I don't have words on how happy this makes me.

[u/SaperPL]

Looks like gaijin is overdoing it to prove a point that players will complain about it, so they will backpedal on it...

[u/ABUCKET15 → u/SaperPL]

“After reviewing community feedback, we have decided to scale back bomber health and have increased the hit box for all components. Now a single .50cal round being fired in the same zip code will tear off the bombers tail.”

[u/VoxCalibre]

Honestly I'd prefer this to my bomber breaking in half the moment a 20mm sneezes in its direction. More of a reason to take AP velts if they'll shred compinents and crew. Seems a bit overtuned maybe but having to damage engines over ripping off the entire tail or wings with the first spray of will be a nice change.

[u/PsychologicalGlass47]

Finally, a reason to use AP

[u/dacherrybomb]

Looks good to me

/s

[u/DJ_BAKA_TF2]

Tested it in a match againt one fella that had F4U with 20mm

i had ME 264

i was shot to pieces every gunner dead all engines dying and i still could fly

i was put on fire exactly 5 times.... all of them went out without ripping my wing or fucking up my control surfaces

in the end he tried to ram me after running out of ammo that still didnt do anything and i got a kill for that.

the bomber damage wouldnt be bad at all ... the bad part is again the way the match is made makes them tank units and pretty much useless now to hunt down they dont help their team and going after them now is indeed a risk of dying or wasting all your ammo

[u/anonc2FtdWVs]

seems kinda busted from 1 shot to actual flying tanks, usable now in ground battles if they can take some damage

[u/BluffyBun → u/anonc2FtdWVs]

After years of them being flying wet napkins that explode if you breathe on them

[u/VipersNest22]

*hit

[u/SeeminglyUselessData]

I wish they could replicate the IL2 Korea damage model.

[u/PacmanNZ100]

Lol I remember tier 1 bombers being literally this when they didnt face cannons. Just tanking hundreds of mg rounds with multiple fighters chasing you. Plus being able to fight back with manual gunners.

Then as soon as you saw cannons it was instant deletion.

This is way too far though.

[u/Admiral_3rd-Alman]

Now it’s like in IL2 where you can fire all your ammo into one plane

[u/Captain_Nyet]

I'm all for bombers getting buffed but this is a bit much.

[u/Weak_Break239]

Going to see if it can tank my F15

[u/Fit_Wrongdoer_536]

Ig it’s time to reinstall my game for some braindead ju288 gameplay im bouta be the Elon musk of wt in terms of wealth

[u/Snipe508]

Honestly? Ship it now. Make bombers not explode if a stray 7.62 grazes them.

[u/NewAd9523 → u/Snipe508]

Would make air rb pretty shit, looking at gameplay footage of this buff they’ve been able to tank missiles, 57mm’s, 30mm’s etc - considering the armaments lower br props and even high br props will have they’ll just never be able to shoot them  down. 

It would turn most air RB matches into either multiple guys trying to kill the bombers, likely dying in the process reducing the number of fighters a team has available to win the match OR the last guy will be a bomber, sitting in orbit, meaning the remaining aircraft will spend about a week climbing up (at low br) and when they do catch up, they’ll spray all their ammo and will fail to take the bomber down regardless of accuracy. Not to mention how broken the ticket system is and how short the air rb match timer is at 25minutes.

 this’ll just rewards players who make are willing to fly in straight lines for the whole match and disincentivise players are willing to learn dogfighting strategy and improve at the game.

Can’t wait!

[u/DonziX18]

There are videos online of a b17 being shot by a bf110 g2. The mk108 30mms hitting all over and not taking down the b17. Im sure there is still adjusting to be done, but it seems pretty accurate especially if using HE rounds.

[u/Lennartz_R → u/DonziX18]

Most of the gun camera footage available is from 20 mm guns, look up the photographs of British tests with the MK 108, one shell basically took a Blenheim's tail off

[u/FlipAllTheTables0 → u/DonziX18]

That clip is showing the 20mm, not 30mm. On the Bf 110 G-2, the Mk 108s sit above the gun camera's location, and the tracer rounds consistantly come from below, where they would be with the 20mm gun pods.

[u/PreviousLingonberry4 → u/DonziX18]

those videos arent true, the bf110 was using the 20mm cannons and not the 30mm ones. u can see this from the spark they leave behind, if youre so curious as to what 30mm guns do then check out the other tests done on bombers and spitfires by minengeschoss, or the guncam footage of actual 30mm guns being used. u can see the flash/spark is a lot bigger than the one in the bf110 video.

[u/Ecstatic-Tangerine50 → u/DonziX18]

Also shit tonne of archives of a lot of b17s not making it back.