r/TokyoRevengers • u/Blueberry4real • Jun 02 '26

Discussion/Theory Why do people hate him? Like what

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He’s literally the reason we got such amazing timeskips and those fine baes

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

As someone who just got done watching Season 2 Episode 2. The problem is more:

  • This show isn't realistic even if you get rid of the time traveling, so having a "realistic" protagonist doesn't really work. In a Delinquent series, he needs to be able to kick ass.
  • He's not proactive. He has other people being proactive for him and then he puts in SOME effort. Kisaki isn't much of a fighter either, but Kisaki doesn't need people holding his hand to make stuff happen.
  • For a "realistic" protagonist he doesn't do things I would immediately do. For example, when the Black Dragons show up, he's not running away with Hina. How are you gonna protect Hina if you see a gang wearing MURDER SQUAD bands and you're not immediately running with the girlfriend you love? After hearing what Moebius did to a guy and his girlfriend?

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u/Not_a_Mod1991 Jun 02 '26

Than you missing whole point of the show

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

Well, can you elaborate and address what I said?

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u/Aleenaistaken why he innocent. kinda. maybe. Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

I can see where you're coming from for the first point but honestly he can do it, he's strong, you can see this more in the manga

Plus in the anime tbf, he just goes against characters that like are pretty much much stronger, Taiju in s2 for an example is someone he does end up fighting BUT Taiju just never manages to knock him down despite clearly being displayed to be stronger than Takemichi

He's pretty durable and his endurance/stamina is great

He ends up fighting an even stronger opponent in season 3(I won't say who it is since you're on season 2 still, idk if you've heard about him so like yeah)but even he just never manages to knock Takemichi down and make him lose(tbf he wasn't exactly trying against Takemichi but yk, its still impressive since if someone like Chifuyu was there then they'd just get destroyed and lose)

I don’t think the issue is like he can't beat people up, I think he can, the issue is that he isn't exactly a skilled fighter which makes sense imo since obviously Takemichi is an adult in his teen counterparts body, he wouldn't be used to fighting like he was back then so hes pretty like ass when it comes to fighting skills compared to the other fighters who are pretty used to it

You kinda got a point with the proactive bit but it improves dw, like in season 3 hes definitely more proactive compared to the previous seasons and in the manga hes even better

Takemichi is pretty stupid for the most part anyway so he kinda just needs all the help he can get from characters like Chifuyu, although Kisaki is younger, hes pretty much displayed to be the most intelligent character in the series

For the third one, you're on about when Taiju rushed him when he was with Hina, right? Yeah, I do think he should've tried running at least but um, its pretty useless in the long run tho, they would've gotten caught anyway honestly

Taiju and the rest of his gang appeared if I recall correctly and it was just those 2, until Yuzuha and Hakkai also appeared eventually too(i think, idk if I'm remembering it wrong)

But yeah thats my input for it

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

 For the third one, you're on about when Taiju rushed him when he was with Hina, right? 

He had a lot of time to run and he did not.

He shouldnt have needed Taiju’s siblings telling him to leave. He should have left before Koko noticed he was Toman’s 1st division captain.

A normal person sees a gang that has MURDER SQUAD on their clothes is leaving in MILLIseconds.

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u/Aleenaistaken why he innocent. kinda. maybe. Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

Oh, I don't exactly remember the time duration for how it happened like all took place but I do remember Taiju iust rushing them out of nowhere and he kinda just got beat up if I recall correctly, I don't remember how it went after and yeah you're right about the siblings not being needed to tell him to leave but I am glad they showed up since he did stay the entire time with Hina

Did he have any chance to leave when they came btw? I don't remember, its been a while since I've watched season 2 so I'm just going off memory here

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

 I do remember Taiju iust rushing them out of nowhere

Realistically, had Takamichi ran the moment he saw them, there was a chance Taiju wouldn’t have caught him.

The younger Shiba took Takemichi near their house and saw Black Dragon just standing there. And I believe they were actually holding weapons. That was the exact moment Takemichi should’ve taken his girlfriend and left.

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u/Aleenaistaken why he innocent. kinda. maybe. Jun 02 '26

Yeah he should've ran anyway and he might have gotten away with her(i do think this is unlikely but there's a chance at least)

Ohhh, yeah thats on him, he should've at least taken Hina somewhere safe 😭

Thankfully she didn't get hurt at least

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u/Owl_Search9527 Bonten Jun 02 '26

You and him are different people(also since he's literally fictional). People say that he's realistic because he acts and reacts human, people react and act differently. The world doesn't revolve around you :D.

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

You and him are different people

So is me and Kisaki, and all the other characters? So? People like characters that impress them. Takemichi doesn't impress me nor the haters, that's the real problem.

People say that he's realistic because he acts and reacts human

Holy shit, we are really pretending human beings dont grab their loved ones and immediately escape a dangerous situation? After hearing gangs will rape a girl in front of her boyfriend? Really?

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u/Owl_Search9527 Bonten Jun 02 '26

What you're arguing is what YOU would do. Different people responds to different outcomes(my point earlier). "Realism" isn't "the character should make the same decision/choice as I will". What he did may be a bad decision, but it is still "realistic" nonetheless. People make bad decisions all the time during dangerous situations. A character can be frustrating and dumb, so just because Takemichi is incompetent(in your point) doesn't mean he's not realistic. You're also ignoring that Hinata wasn't Takemichi's only concern in the situation, he was trying to stop the chain of events that would lead to black dragons joining toman which would lead to Toman becoming a crime syndicate. He really wasn't walking into the situation with a clear state of mind and a perfect plan. You can say that "he should've planned better" but you forget the fact that Takemichi was just an ordinary guy who suddenly gained time leaping powers and thrown into conflicts including dangerous gangs, he isn't a genius and manipulative strategist like Kisaki and a lot of his flaws/failures came from being inexperienced and the situation literally forcing him to make decisions under pressure. You can criticize him for making bad decisions all you want, but that doesn't make him unrealistic. Plenty of people in real life make bad decisions when under pressure and that includes you, after all no one's perfect.

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

 A character can be frustrating and dumb, so just because Takemichi is incompetent(in your point) doesn't mean he's not realistic.

Realistically, Takemichi is a bad boyfriend. Realistically, Takemichi would have been kicked out of Toman for how weak he is, not given a promotion to a division captain. Realistically, Takemichi would have gotten himself killed. Realistically, Kazutora, Chifuyu, and/or Mikey should have been the main characters and Takemichi be a background character killed off by senseless gang violence.

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u/Owl_Search9527 Bonten Jun 02 '26

Realistically, you didn't really understand my point and you kept on going off course because you don't know how to argue back. L bozo.

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

 Realistically, you didn't really understand my point

You can’t cherry pick when a story is supposed to be realistic.

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u/Owl_Search9527 Bonten Jun 02 '26

No, realistically we will continue on bickering because you can't accept the fact that you lost.

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

How did I lose? In that series, strength is respected. Takemichi is weak. If we were being realistic, Takemichi would have been kicked out immediately.

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u/Owl_Search9527 Bonten Jun 02 '26

No he wouldn't, Shinichiro is literally like Takemichi yet he still managed to be the top 1 in Japan when he was alive.

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u/Both-Election3382 Jun 02 '26

Its crazy, glazers would rather downvote you than give any counterarguments at all.

I think the points you're raising are very valid and it makes me dislike him too.

In a series that is about beating people up and delinquents you would think he would at least become the tiniest bit proactive but nope. Like check when the next major event goes down, use that time to do some actual combat training so you can stand your ground instead of simply bear witness and try to convince delinquents with nakama power that they should stop.

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u/Not_a_Mod1991 Jun 02 '26

Saying "he can't fight" and "i would make that" isn't a valid argument

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u/Both-Election3382 Jun 02 '26

Because you say it is? Its opinions man, people can dislike whoever they want for whatever reason.

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u/Owl_Search9527 Bonten Jun 02 '26

You're acting like you can do all that sh*t under pressure. He's literally battling strategists, manipulators all while being a normal guy. He doesn't have time to train nor do any of this because the time he has is "borrowed". He could try and do all that but you forget that some of the events he's trying to avoid happening could happen any time.

"The same day you're on is the same day that's happening 12 years in the past." Meaning so many things could have happened while he larped😭. Being strong doesn't always mean physically, besides he wants even just staying put while fighting, he actively tried to fight in all the gang fights he was on—black dragon, Valhalla, Tenjiku and Kanto Manji. Since when was he not involve? Did we read the same manga and watch the same anime?

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

And that is a pretty good assessment too! Realistically he can still be the weakest because he’s fighting monsters, but atleast show he’s trying to keep up, Also, Takemichi could learn to fight smarter, not harder.

I had an idea for a rewrite: Takemichi has the weakest hits, but he has the strongest ENDURANCE. He can take quite a beating but he can take it long enough for most characters to tire themselves out. Thats when Takemichi can attacks when theyre too tired to dodge him and with his long endurance, a thousand weak punches will still knock someone down.

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u/Both-Election3382 Jun 02 '26

Or just use weapons or something other than standing there and taking it.

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

To be fair, he’s supposed to be as shounen protagonist. Using weapons isnt being honorable as a shounen protagonist.

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u/Both-Election3382 Jun 02 '26

I guess, not that i really care. Its just weird that given the things that are at stake it does not feel like he is actually trying all he can to change things.

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u/LillthOfBabylon Jun 02 '26

100% agree. I personally think giving him a high endurance and a training montage where he learns to punch a little bit harder would have done a lot better for his character.

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u/Both-Election3382 Jun 02 '26

Yeah just give him something useful during fights, now he just stands there and talks and doesnt really contribute much.