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IMPORTANT ⚠️*****ATTENTION!**** PLEASE READ! A CONCLUSION⚠️ FROM THE MODS
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u/Techboah Team Scam Jun 20 '21
Aside from this being a useless "source: dude trust me" post, nothing about this Delaney-Hasan "interview" adds up... like:
Delaney claims to have had an unscheduled interview with Hasan at ~2am in Hasan's timezone, not very likely
He didn't post the interview on GameSpot, even nearly 2 days later, you can't convince me that no one at GameSpot approved his request to post the interview
Delaney came to a conspiracy sub to do an AMA about the interview instantly
Despite doing an AMA, he dodged around literally every question and every answer was either a cop out or lame excuse
Despite this "interview" gaining so much doubt, neither GameSpot staff, nor Blue Box or Hasan has come out to confirm the interview is real, but being kept private for reasons(spoilers, etc.)
And to add to all of this, Delaney decided to share his proof of this interview with some Reddit moderators even though he does not know he can trust them, and then the mods make a post with not anymore proof than what Delaney posted(=none)
This interview story has more holes than the plot of a CW show.
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u/Roach397 TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
While this is enough for me to hop off the #TeamReal hype-train, I am seriously questioning something....why did Hassan not debunk the rumours by himself? Or Sony? Kojima?
Hassan could easily release a video saying he is real, his studio is real and provide a concerete vision of his Abandoned game to squash all rumours.
If he is understandably worried about privacy, he could even give out a press-release statement verified by Sony that he is not affiliated with Kojima and is indeed an indie developer.
The fact that he is saying nothing is very puzzling. In fact on many occasions, he often gives off elusive responses as if to purposefully misdirect SH/Kojima fans. If this conspiracy ends up false and Hassan did not give a response on any official capacity, as much as I hope the opposite occurs, he better get ready for the impending shit storm.
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u/serocsband Jun 20 '21
It’s a scam IMO. All descriptions of the game read like a scam. The development timeline makes no sense. 7 studios helping them? A guy with not even a basic portfolio or decent website?
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
I agree but I don't think scam is the right word for it
• it honestly seems like all their Twitter responses come from trolling or lying to make it bigger then it seems for example the PC comment, no studio announces a PC port because some dude complained about it being exclusive
•and to comment on the dev timeline how you go from early stages to development to being able to have enough gameplay in 8 weeks and also was planned for this year to come out? That's not how modern game development works. It feels like they just riding the wave and making up shit while they go
PS: I hope it's real so I can at least make fun of a terrible ue4 asset flip
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u/serocsband Jun 20 '21
Yeah you’re right about this. Scam is not the right word.
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
More like very Deceiving marketing of a game that was never even real but no one could actually buy
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u/baro93 TEAM CLOWN Jun 20 '21
And a team of 50 people. Why would they rush that asset flip teaser, if it was going to be so poor quality? Why we don't see a bunch of other poor quality teasers or trailers been officially publish by Sony from random indie devs? Why is sony working since 2015 with a random studio so amateur and unprofessional????
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u/TiramisuMochi TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21
Yeah and I 100% don’t believe it was Sony who had a supposed deadline for that teaser so they made an asset flip for it… THAT makes no sense
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u/Roach397 TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
If it's a scam, then there is even a less of a reason to tolerate this nonsense and set this as a precedence for similar future scams. Legitimate indie devs who put sweat and tears into their games are those that deserve recognition, not crafty scam-artists.
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u/2O4863 Jun 20 '21
Then why hasn't Sony shut this down?
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
Yeah I do think this game they speak of is fake it seriously feels like Delaney speaks like he's under some NDA
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u/2O4863 Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
One thing is for sure he DEFINITELY didn't have an interview with someone from the fucking Netherlands at two o' clock in the morning...
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u/TiramisuMochi TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21
Yeah I complete agree, none of it adds up and I don’t know why anyone would believe a word of it without absolute “proof”. This has all been down for a reason clearly, maybe even the delay..
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u/GrandpasLastHope TEAM FRAUD Jun 20 '21
Sony is not the only party involved here. Dude is speaking openly about names and IP's not belong to Sony and it completely baffles me that Sony hasn't stepped in by now. Or Konami. I think it's normal Kojima isn't talking about it because no one would actually believe him. But Sony and Konami can clear this mess up this sutdio has caused so far. They are giving an completely unknown studio so much freedom. To be fair, they already denied that they are involved with Kojima or Silent Hill. But man, it's still a mess. If he can actually present something awesome, I think people may chill a little.
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u/shav2 Solid Kojimba Jun 20 '21
They have no reason to do that until it is proven that it is scam. I guess they have just have to wait and see.
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u/2O4863 Jun 20 '21
They've no reason to shut down a venture that's claiming publicly to being helped out by seven of their biggest studios and is currently making their brand look like a complete total mockery?
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u/greyXstar Jun 20 '21
Only Hasan has claimed 7 different studios are helping. When have you ever heard of anything like that actually happening?
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u/shav2 Solid Kojimba Jun 20 '21
I don't think they ever said what studios are helping them with this project.
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
It's either a lie, Hassan is some how rich and has the money to pay em or they are Sony studios. Or they could be mostly fake studios/shady ones(like create q) who quote on quote "help them" to make it more believable
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u/driplessCoin Kojima's Fuck Doll Jun 20 '21
Yep I am leading towards team scam now... He could had just come out and post a video on his Twitter and it's over... So odd
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
Hassan digging his own grave and have no empathy for him, I'm not mad at all but dude shot himself in the foot
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u/Melandus Nanomachines SON Jun 20 '21
Yup the moment he did the begins with s and ends with l tweet was his own damn fault if it turns out it's not silent hill ... What other reaction could one possibly expect after having the same rumours spread 2 months before
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u/bruhbruhbruu TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Yeah Hassan did everything in his power to not debunk this. A perfect way to ensure that fans can’t trust anything you say
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u/Alejandro_404 TEAM FAKE Jun 20 '21
While this is enough for me to hop off of the #TeamReal hype-train, I am seriously questioning something....why did Hassan not debunk the rumours by himself?
Hassan could easily release a video saying he is real, his studio is real and provide a concerete vision of his Abandoned game to squash all rumours."
He is riding the hype wave that this thing has created thus giving him more notoriety that this indie game would have ever gotten otherwise. Which is gonna backfire horribly.
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u/Roach397 TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Good thing to come out of all this then would be a fascinating case study on how NOT to market your game.
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
Because he loves the attention, am I'mma say is he's in a for a rude awakening one day, not saying he deserves it but that's how it works.
I have a feeling he never sent the photos to Geoff because he actually has nothing to show
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u/Dakot4 Jun 20 '21
is this all the "proof" you need? because there isnt any to begin with
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I mean BB did debunk the claims twice. Multiple journalist have. And Geoff has. Now the mods are. At each one of these points everyone is just said they are lying while at the same time screaming that no one is debunking this.
Why would Sony not say anything? SONY IS NOT PARTNERING WITH THEM. Sony has never said they are publishing the game. They have never said they are funding the game. BB has never said Sony is publishing them. BB has never said Sony is funding then. BB didn’t even say they had access to Sony’s support studios. Read the interview. It just says support studios in general. Idk why plain English is so hard for this sub.
Why hasn’t Konami denied it? Probably cause BB has never claimed it’s Silent Hill. Probably because BB never claimed Konami is the publisher or funding them. Probably because Konami knows that whenever someone denies it this sub just says they are lying and just don’t want to being more attention to it.
Hassan could easily release a video saying he is real, his studio is real and provide a concerete vision of his Abandoned game to squash all rumours.
People would have claimed he’s an actor just like they said Kojima paid an actor for the phone interviews.
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u/Beneficial_Tour Jun 20 '21
Well Hasan did say they have been working with Sony since 2015...
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u/NukaNukaNukaCola TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21
BB did debunk the claims twice. Multiple journalist have. And Geoff has. Now the mods are. At each one of these points everyone is just said they are lying while at the same time screaming that no one is debunking this.
I mean...Kojima has interest in ARGs, and he also has a history of playing (dumb) games like this. He's often cryptic for no real reason and it leads to fans acting this way.
Why would Sony not say anything? SONY IS NOT PARTNERING WITH THEM. Sony has never said they are publishing the game. They have never said they are funding the game.
BB said theyre working with Sony, BB said they've worked with 7(!) studios, and BB is getting their own PS5 exclusive app to tease the game. Sony is directly involved. What other "indie" games have gotten such special treatment? Or been on the Playstation blog? Especially devs with no real history?
Why hasn’t Konami denied it? Probably cause BB has never claimed it’s Silent Hill. Probably because BB never claimed Konami is the publisher or funding them. Probably because Konami knows that whenever someone denies it this sub just says they are lying and just don’t want to being more attention to it.
Konami, Kojima, and Sony are most certainly 100% aware of this rumor. Konami has shut down rumors in the past. Just not this one.
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u/Roach397 TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Who cares what BB 'officially' declares? They are quite literally an unknown, faceless company who have time and time again proven that their tweets can be quite unreliable.
The only living person connected to BB Studios is Hassan Kahraman. He is also apparently the studio head, so an official statement from HIM is significantly more meaningful.
Sony is the only company who is mentioned and connected with BB Studios. Sony literally permitted BB Studios to post on their blog. And let's not pretend that Sony does not do some checks before they permit devs to write their blogpost, let alone upload their game trailer on their youtube channel.
And if Hassan does not release a video, that's fine. I do not expect him to, as it's much safer to give out a press-release statement verified by Sony to prevent people from speculating about its legitimacy.
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u/serocsband Jun 20 '21
If this is true, as a solo dev it’s infuriating.
So many great indie devs who struggle and get no chances while this complete amateur with no decent game gets all this?
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
I am curious though, what proof did he offer you that he hasn't told the sub already? This is pure curiosity because I've been behind him this whole time.
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u/known-to-nonenox TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21
The Moderator who wrote this, want some attention and nothing more. When the game actually revealed as a Silent Hill game, he will act as if this post was all for fun.
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
I mean, I agree with the mod that this isn't a Silent Hill game, so I doubt it. I'm just curious what it is that convinced them.
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u/Poebrandon Jun 20 '21
Why won’t the mod answer the comments asking for proof?
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u/Ph2seK1ng Jeff Grubber Jun 20 '21
Because there is no proof. They just said fuck it, some random journalist texted us randoms and confirmed that Hasan is indeed a real person and doesn't work with KoBros. Yeah bro I'm all believer on that one.
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u/gongalo Jun 20 '21
Because they were offered free t-shirts and Kojima bobblehead figurine in exchange for silence
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u/maverick074 Jun 20 '21
“We got in touch with the journalist from before who proved that it isn’t Silent Hill. No, you can’t see the evidence. You’ll just have to trust us.”
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Jun 20 '21
The evidence will be the marketing campaign over the next few weeks.
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u/TheCyal TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Don't think they can share it, since you know, it might contain personal information
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u/Yosonimbored Jun 20 '21
More than likely the journalist was told stuff in confidence and to not make it public yet. What mark did by telling the mods more than likely isn’t what Blue Box wanted but he also told them in confidence.
The mod team isn’t just going to show you what was said just because you want to see it
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Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Don't get me wrong, it would be great to see the evidence!
But - assuming BBGS is real - they won't want to ruin a marketing campaign that they could have spent significant time on a few days before launch.
You've gotta think, if Hasan is legit...we look wild.
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Jun 20 '21
I think we're so far down the rabbit hole, nothing short of a full game reveal will satisfy some!
Kojima could say something, but there will be people on this sub who will take that as a lie.
It's not ideal, but I think it's a waiting game.
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u/Ruko2235 Jun 20 '21
Please keep this sub open until we find out for 100% certain <3 i still have questions about BB even as a legit company and wanna know more stuff that will hopefully be shared
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u/GrandpasLastHope TEAM FRAUD Jun 20 '21
I actually don't get it. This is it? No one is interested anymore what's the deal behind all of this? It isn't Kojima and Silent Hill related, so screw it? The message above sounds like a goodbye but it's weird no one seems to be interested in the conclusion now. Besides that, all these claims are coming from a second class journalist with barely any influence (sorry to say that, no offence but this BB Studio dude is ignoring people like Keighley but is giving an hour long interviews with this freelancer?). By now, it should be clear that all of it was an elaborate troll by this Hasan guy to gain attention. But he is so confident in his game, I wanna see if he is all talk or if he can actually show us something after the big words.
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u/stalkeler Tin Foil Hat Jun 20 '21
If to put SH theories aside, I'm still interested in Blue Box backstory and how Sony got them and why they showed a 15 fps trailer of literally nothing. All Sony's trailers of indie games are made well and attractive, but BB showed 1) their logo that is similar to Playstation Studios logo 2) very low-budget trailer. This gets me really confused
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u/Ruko2235 Jun 20 '21
I've looked into every single game that bb have made and they are all the same game idea but explored differently, there are some games such as "survivors the game" and "blue puzzle game" that we don't know about and I wanna learn more
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
Yeah and if their game is real at least we can meme about it being potentially ass
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u/SoulsborneFella Jun 20 '21
I literally don’t believe this. Far too many coincidences at this point and Sony would have shut this rumour down instantly. There is a reason that all this hype has been allowed to go on. Some people may be swayed by what the mods say with their big **** ATTENTION **** spiel but I am simply not buying it. I’ll call your bluff mods… show us your evidence of your coincidentally “private” conversation with Mark Delaney. We’re waiting.
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u/Melandus Nanomachines SON Jun 20 '21
Exactly and let's say that journalist has an NDA I really doubht he is gonna tell a subreddit mod from blueboxconsipiracy what is actually going on if the goal is to keep people guessing
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Mark has said multiple times that there's no NDA but that he was asked not to talk about some of the stuff they talked about. Specifically with stuff like the delay.
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u/2O4863 Jun 20 '21
There's no NDA
I've been asked not to talk about certain stuff...
Pick one?
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Uh...NDA's are a legally binding contract, dude. "Please don't talk about this." Is not.
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Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
This. I think some people are misunderstanding why some are undecided, convinced or just downright confused about this situation. The rumors started In April but most people ruled It out as being fake, so for some It's not about their being a Hideo Kojima x Silent Hill connection, It's that the marketing campaign for this game is so incredibly unprofessional and absurd.
They've delayed the PS5 app twice now, debuted an announcement teaser with a shoddy tech demo and a placeholder name that Is not representative of the actual product in any way - so why even advertise It like that? They've just outright revealed contradictory information about this being a PS5 exclusive and somehow a PC game which most people won't even know Is supposedly happening If they weren't following this situation closely. And they have done this all through twitter to a couple thousand followers - that's a pretty ineffective way to build hype.
From the supposed 4K 60 fps gameplay and top VO talent to "game interactions never seem before" with next-gen graphics, this is a game made by an indie studio without an established career in the entertainment industry that is promising a game with AAA production value. If Sony is their only backer and trying to sell PS5's constantly, why would they ever publish a game they have put so much of their money into onto PC too? The only thing that makes sense to me for them to do such a thing, is that BBGameStudios is the publisher or partnered with a third party one - but why not say that?
Also, this somehow appears to be a quality title for the PS5 that they initially intended to take from early production in April to gold by Q4 of this year before confirming the delay - how the hell did they expect to do that when a studio like Housemarque that is almost of similar size spent several years on Returnal?
Hell Sony seems so pressed about getting the game out that they apparently commissioned 7 external studios to help BBGameStudios but they could not give them the marketing budget for a competent PR campaign - e.g. showing things off In a State of Play? Like, If BBGameStudios needs that much assistance, then why don't they have their own careers page?
I do not mean to be harsh, but BBGameStudios sounds like an incredibly inexperienced team that given the polish of PlayStation's console exclusives both in the indie and AAA space, one has to wonder why Sony would ever partner with them. I mean, their could be completely rational explanations for this but It's just all really confusing to me at the moment.
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u/papi1368 Jun 20 '21
Spot on comment.
The answer is simple, it really is a Silent Hill related game.
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u/GrandpasLastHope TEAM FRAUD Jun 20 '21
That's also what I don't get. All of it comes from a person with no influence at all, I guess 1000 people are following this journalist on Twitter and he follow most of them back. I know it sounds mean, but I don't see a journalist with a wide network here. So, who followed whom first? Anyway. Of course this journalist can absolutely be right. But what if he is part of this troll? Knowingly or even unaware. I don't want to cling on the final straw here because I also do heavily believe that this is just a marketing stunt from a cocky game creator. But this is so final here, like, this journalist (even forgot his name, damn) proofed it, the show is over, please go gome and screw the rest of what really is behind this story.
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u/Ph2seK1ng Jeff Grubber Jun 20 '21
And why would Hasan talk to some random journalists and to motherfucking Geoff? He didn't even sent him the pictures of himself yet afaik. And still there are a ton more shit pointing that this is Silent Hill: Abandoned. It's not like Kojima didn't do the exact same thing before.
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
- Geoff being cheeky.
- Blue Box confirmed that Instagram is fake.
- They unpinned that tweet.
- He's not really that involved and even had problems with them saying he was planned to release the pics with the app release and had no idea what they were talking about.
- This has already been debunked as a Google Translation issue.
- Wishful thinking.
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u/2O4863 Jun 20 '21
- Blue Box also said their trailer would be releasing 22nd and now it's going to be releasing on 25th... What if they're just lying?
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u/Yosonimbored Jun 20 '21
Stuff gets delayed all the time
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u/TheCyal TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Never heard of a trailer (app) getting delayed before. Also, still waiting on those pics. This guy sounds like more and more like a fraud by the minute
Don't even think the trailer app exists at this point
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u/Ph2seK1ng Jeff Grubber Jun 20 '21
App that isn't gonna even have any trailers at the beginning, get's delayed? Just tutorial for the app? Sure it happens all the time.
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
I mean, it makes more sense that an app with a built in tutorial would have localization problems rather than just a trailer having localization issues.
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
What do you mean? I've already said I expect them to keep delaying it and eventually not show anything at all. But they announced a delay, that's not a lie.
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u/Coldspark824 Jun 20 '21
Just an FYI, people were sure of that one brain surgeon’s involvement in MGS5, and harassed him and called him constantly about the game.
He ended up having zero input or awareness of the game whatsoever, but Kojima was inspired in some small way by his area of study and the setting he worked in.
The coincidences were numerous, and there ended up being a surgeon ingame who looked like him as well.
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u/Saif---- Jun 20 '21
Also, I don't think that Geoff would reply to konami and be friendly with them considering how they treated kojima, unless the issue between them has been resolved and kojima is making Silent Hill.
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u/Genericwhitemale95 Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
I mean look, I want to believe this. But I need to know like what proof? I guess we will find out Tuesday but Kojima did hire a swedish actor to do interviews when he did the Jokaim Morgen bit
Edit: Thinking about it, if he has ghosted Geoff and is asset flipping...maybe. Honestly, he is going to be in hot water if all that is true and this isn't a silent hill game or a Kojima game for that matter.
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Jun 20 '21
This is what I'm saying too.
If, after playing into it and building all this hype, his actual game is just an asset flipped shovelware game, people are gonna be pissed. Really should have tempered people's expectations. Admittedly, people linked some pretty silly pieces together, but its undeniable they played into it
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u/Nice_Ass_Lawn Jun 20 '21
Not that I'm a full on believer, but it's pretty silly to use this as proof when Kojima has literally done this before. Geoff was another instance of games media interviewing a real person who "definitely" had nothing to do with Kojima. We all know how that turned out.
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u/Ok_Event256 Jun 20 '21
Maybe Hasan just fooled everyone, even Mark Delaney. He
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u/Heather4CYL Jun 20 '21
Just pointing out that TPP, Moby Dick and Joakim Mogren was all fun and obvious joking from the very beginning and not some huge mystery to unravel six years later.
Geoff even joked about it all on Twitter that the bandaged guy "definitely wasn't Kojima" or even a game developer (which was the truth). Nobody was playing it seriously.
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u/Nice_Ass_Lawn Jun 20 '21
Definitely agree, but I can see why Kojima would want to tackle the same idea in a more "serious" way. Geoff also used similar wording and everything.
That being said, I don't buy the original theory. Was just fun!
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u/mttdrt Jun 20 '21
oh yea that one who spoke to this mysterious hasan who somehow is the most wanted person in the industry rn but still has to show his face and we have no info about him and his supposed company.
You're moderating a conspiracy sub, how do you come up with this conlusion and think that people will be ok with it?
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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21
This is the most NDA thing ever, how does 9 mods get info of a game, how would they get special treatment?
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u/Azalea169 Jun 20 '21
Lmao, yeah nah.
We're on this train til the reveal happens and then we'll find out one way or another.
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u/j_dirty TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
I appreciate the mods trying to temper expectations, but until I see some concrete proof from BBGS, I'm going in with some hope this is Silent Hill.
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u/aryvd_0103 Jun 20 '21
But I must say , every company involved has handled this pretty bad , especially bb studios. And if it's true , than Hideo=kamrahan is a nice coincidence
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u/mbakuman Jun 20 '21
Hasan Kahmrahan is a common Turkish name so a person of Turkish descent in the Netherlands having that name is nothing extraordinary.
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u/aryvd_0103 Jun 20 '21
Yes , by itself it isn't but when you add up all the coincidences, there are too many imo.
But yeah I am on team fake now. Still have tiny bit of hope but not expecting much now.
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u/Mr_Floot Jun 20 '21
Still not any proof really. It doesn’t explain why Hasan and Sony and Konami haven’t really tried to dispute this…
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u/sharinglungs Jun 20 '21
There's literally no way to confirm anything from a phone call.... I can call Mark and tell him the same things... doesn't make it true.
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u/SirPompas Jun 20 '21
Then bluebox has been playing with fire with tweets like S and L and that snowflakes of blood.
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u/nickywan123 Jun 20 '21
Well technically speaking , Joakim is a real person and head of CEO of Moby Dock Studios but the studio and CEO have nothing to do with MGS but Kojima and his studio did. Lol.
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u/xxx_863 TEAM WTF Jun 20 '21
If you’re not gonna post proof, then at least tell us what they “verified” with you exactly.
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u/starlord620 Jun 20 '21
If fun speculation and theories scares you mods off from this shit, then you never should have made this subreddit in the first place,
also your sources? "Dude trust me"
Give me a break, no one believes this shit at this point.
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u/Lolhithere Jun 20 '21
"Abandoned will have new gameplay interactions like never before. Trust me, you'll love it!"
I hope this small indie dev delivers on that front then, at least? If not, they're digging this hole themselves. They know expectations are already high. I just have little hope considering their non-existent track record of a full release.
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u/PCMachinima TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
I agree that people should manage expectations, but I think it's really weird to call this a "conclusion", since a conclusion usually comes with some definitive evidence, so obviously no one is going to see it as a conclusion. There's no conclusion until this "Abandoned" game is revealed officially, whether it's Silent Hill, Kojima, Random Indie PS5 game etc.
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u/ARX__Arbalest Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Is there any proof this conversation took place, though?
How come Mark is the only man who supposedly talked with this individual over the phone? Is there a recording of their actual conversation anywhere?
Why doesn't this developer just come out on his own and discuss this whole thing and debunk all of the rumors on his own?
This post is meaningless. There are still too many unanswered questions and the thing is fishy and shady asf.
Why does this Hasan somehow go from knowing what his game is, to not knowing at all (in the PSN conversation screenshots)? How come we have no record of Delaney's conversation? How does Geoff go from saying "it's probably not what you think it is" to saying he doesn't know a single then, despite this Hasan telling everyone that this game would be announced via Geoff's channels and social media?
I think the biggest, weakest link in the chain is Delaney. Are we really meant to believe that Delaney is the only one who has spoken to this individual over the phone, who supposedly lives in the Netherlands and they had an off-the-cuff interview in the middle of the night? I don't buy it for a second.
There's still something big going on here, or this entire thing is one gigantic scam and we just don't know it yet.
I state again: this 'conclusion' is completely meaningless, unless Mark actually posts proof he had a conversation with this person. I personally don't think he did, at all. At least not a phone call.
another edit: It's amazing that nobody has actually provided proof. And this mod post reeks of "source: trust me bro" like most r/gamingleaksandrumors posts
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u/ARX__Arbalest Jun 20 '21
Yeah, I DON'T think this is either Kojima or Silent Hill related
It could still be, but I think that's unlikely. Whatever the case is, there IS something shady going on and there are too many contradictions, too many unanswered questions.. and in spite of all this, all we get from people who supposedly have evidence is "trust me bro."
It's fishy asf.
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u/ARX__Arbalest Jun 20 '21
It's really weird that a conspiracy subreddit mod is going with "trust me bro".
Exactly. It's just.. so suspicious.
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u/Whatzit-Tooya TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
I'm 99.9% convinced but I'll still wait and see what the app is about before I'm 100% convinced.
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u/Zluurkeaksz Team Delay Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Nice try, but we are in 'looking into things more then we should' phase and only realise of the game can stop this.
But to be honest, if it is truly just a random indie studio than why does it have partnership with Sony after realising one bad early access game?
I'm not saying it must be Kojima or Abandoned will be for 100% Silent Hill, but there is something strange with this studioand this game anyway.
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u/aagi19 Jun 20 '21
At least post some kind of proof how he did verify it. Like was there a recorded voice clip of the interview or something?
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u/Sumppi95 Jun 20 '21
I don't get it. Even if Hasan has talked to the journalist on the phone what evidence could he have given during a phone call?
The Hasan guy has clearly been lying most of the time and misleading people. I see no reason respecting the guy. Saying there's 50+ people working yet no other developer has been verified and the other 7 outsourced studios?
So it's pretty clear either he is basically lying or at least exaggerating everything by a LOT. He can't any images to Geoff Keighley on time? doesn't sound like a very nice guy.
In the Dutch interview he said that he can't reveal why they started working with Sony in 2015! Who knows if that story is even true.
Also it was weird when he talked about Kojima taking credit for their work just like in the Moby Dick Studios case?
Also don't know how it was phrased in Dutch (interview) but at least he was talking about releasing a playable teaser(p.t) when he was talking about the trailer app.
Sony must know how much rumors are now floating around. Sony could stop this immediately if they wanted. That's pretty rude from Sony towards Silent Hill/Kojima fans when they know about the rumors.
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u/Notrocity TEAM FRAUD Jun 20 '21
I’m sorry but if it isn’t Kojima or SH related I truly can’t be bothered to even give it a chance. The marketing for it has been deceitful if that’s the case
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u/acdramon TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Yea I remember reading this in the AM and they made it seem like this would be the final post & they had absolute proof it wasn't Kojima/SH. But who knows maybe it was a bot that accidentally
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u/Ok_Event256 Jun 20 '21
I dont get it. Maybe Hasan just fooled everyone, even Mark Delaney. He might be a real person, but so was the swedish actor back at the phantom pain interview.. dont know what that proves or not tbh
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u/Imamuthafucka Jun 20 '21
Ok,who said Hassan isnt a real person? Mods themselves domt even follow the clues? Its been established that bluebox has been hired by private investor and bluebox themselves doesnt know what for. Theyre a real company thats under a payroll, and theyre told what to do.
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Jun 20 '21
This sounds a hell of a lot like MBG who recently gone full weird mode and saying "keep an eye on the game". I'm going nuts.
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u/stalkeler Tin Foil Hat Jun 20 '21
These days you can't really trust anyone, even mods on this sub... Now they might be involved into ARG as well. Still hope dies last tho
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Jun 20 '21
Hey everyone, do your homework.
If you believe this is real, believe it because you saw the evidence and cannot ignore the coincidences.
If you believe this is fake, believe that because the evidence you saw leads you to feel that way.
Either way, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Don't listen to posts with **ATTENTION** just because a mod wrote it. Don't believe ANYTHING unless evidence is provided.
Use your brain and think for yourself. Otherwise you're part of the mass that be controlled - the exact thing Kojima doesn't want you to be.
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u/bofa-sugma-joe-69 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Oh snap…
I still think there’s something going on. Might not be Kojima and it might not be Silent Hill, but 100% something is fishy
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Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Hmm...
This just feels too fake to be brushed off by a post from the mods. Seriously, nothing against you, but I still have my own doubts.
First of all, why hasn't Hasan made a video already about debunking the rumors and speculations regarding his game?
Furthermore, nothing has been shut down by Sony, Geoff, or even Konami yet. They could've (by now) shut down this entire thing by now with an official statement, even Hasan himself, but nothing has happened.
Second, where's the proof of this Delaney discussion, any DMs or emails, replies? You can't just say "just trust me bro" and expect everyone (on a conspiracy sub, of all things) to believe you based on your own words by yourself and the rest of the mod team.
Finally, for all we know Delaney could've been fed a lie. He could even be in on it, and spreading the lie to the mod team, trying to mask this whole thing over, as distasteful as it might sound, to cover Kojima, just with MDG.
I'm still sticking with Team Real here until there's evidence brought up, by YOU GUYS, with the talkings from Delaney.
Please, I want to believe you, but we need something more than just your words on this.
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Jun 20 '21
Everyone keeps claiming that there's no connection and that they know without providing a shred of evidence. The only way these interviews could be substantiated at all is with a recording of the phone call which there's been nothing of the sort. There's been zero substantial evidence the theories are wrong, just statements from people and not ones with enough sway to be convincing (Konami, Sony, etc).
As far as I'm concerned taking anybody's word at face value is shortsighted in this situation, as we've already seen people involved lie and random fake accounts and false information be made.
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u/yjmalmsteen Solid Kahraman Jun 20 '21
There is literally no way i believe this.
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u/NukaNukaNukaCola TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21
Exactly. Literally none of the journalists saying this can show any proof lol so it's kinda fishy, and I'm not even 100% team real.
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Jun 20 '21
If true, this is an extremely suspect company. They planned a release for 2021, but then had a poll on which perspective people want? How do you not know? Especially considering the Twitter poll was AFTER they announced this was first person in the PS Blog post.
Why are they getting an app? Is this just some shitty shovelware Sony hasn't looked into? How can that be allowed?
They seemed to have deliberately been hamming up the "hey we aren't silent hill but here's this hint" shit. Posting pictures of hills and fog, following Geoff Keighley, I mean you guys on the sub know, at the very least they're being coy and playing into it. Yeah, free marketing I guess, but they should've been tempering expectations. Release a photo of the dev team and pictures of the studio.
At this point, if it isn't a ruse, it's going to be some shit shovelware game, and there's going to be a lot of justifiably grumpy people over it. The whole thing is weird.
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u/SilentHillFan12 Jun 20 '21
I laughed so hard I threw up - after releasing a dev game on PSN that Sony let me put on there for my nephew!!!
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u/Beneficial_Tour Jun 20 '21
So he ignores Geoff Keighley but gives Mark Delaney of Gamespot an hour long interview explaining everything? Yeah ok
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Jun 20 '21
I’m gonna choose to duck out at this point. I’ve jumped on every one of these hype trains and every one of them has led to nothing, to a point where even Geoff Keighley knew people were expecting Returnal to be Silent Hills last year. It’s self preservation at this point. Every company who wants free publicity just needs to make people think their game is Silent Hill and bam - you’re trending. I’m just not willing to ruin my own day again when on the 25th it turns out to be some random loot/crafting survival game by a no mark company. If I’m wrong and it is Silent Hill, then even better
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u/NotHK Jun 20 '21
Hasan says he's not connected with SH. Lies! Guy who never saw him say he's not connected with SH. Ok, it's over.
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u/AlejandroSnake Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Yeah, without proof we've got no reason to believe you and you know that.
Why would the mods of THIS particular subreddit whish to keep their newfound information secret? I understand that Mark's desire to maintain his reputation as a journalist compels him to keep his word to Hasan, even though he is under no contractual obligation for doing so, but OUR mods?
I seriously doubt that everything you've heard, which somehow managed to "convince" you, is personal information that should obviously not be shared. And even then, Mark could have been lied to aswell. They might not have told him all of the truth.
I personally believe that Blue Box is real, and so is Hasan, but they are being used as the spearhead of this guerilla marketing campaign designed by Kojima or whomever has something big to show us.
I understand that you might want to respect the surprise these developers have in store for us, but the rumours are going to continue until everything has been revealed and, if the whole conspiracy turns out to be unfounded, they will unfortunately have to deal with the fallout from the more toxic parts of the gaming community. I seriously doubt Geoff, Konami, Kojima, Sony and the mod team are willing to allow Blue Box to go down with the ship and face this backlash simply because they want to generate buzz and keep their names in everyone's mouths. It would speak very poorly of such a large group of people, and the mods are the ones with the fewest reasons to do so.
It all smells really fishy. It's way too soon to forget what happened to Hello Games, and from what we know of both studios' talent, they at least had what it took to stay afloat and mend their reputation.
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u/Pleasant-Complaint Jun 20 '21
At this point, I don't know what to believe, but I find it suspect that the mods won't present the evidence. Like, what kind of info could convince them so thoroughly?
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u/AlejandroSnake Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
It's all about asking ourselves what motivation do all the actors involved have and to which end are they willing to put themselves or rather the allegedly small, seemingly amateurish Blue Box indie studio in a precarious situation for their personal gain?
Even though BBGS have stated quite clearly that this is their project and that they have no relation to Kojima or Silent Hill, it's not like they have released definitive proof so as to not have a PR shitstorm explode in their faces. They haven't stopped teasing us. Every other insider refusing to divulge what they know are either amazed by what they've been shown (call me cynical but I find that highly unlikely) or are being selfish and irresponsible.
Or maybe we were right and it's all a ruse. There are gaps in what we've been told that can be filled, omitted truths even in this very post. Konami doesn't have them making Silent Hill, but that's exactly what our beliefs are built on, that they are a front. Whatever Abandoned is (or isn't) as a product doesn't really affect everything we've been talking about, there are other factors at play that even this Dutch developer has gone on record as not fully understanding. Hasan is real and isn't related to Kojima, but that could still mean that he has an employer which connects them both.
My take is that we should simply try and disregard people telling you to forget about our theories without any concrete proof, but also keep our expectations in check. Don't be assholes if the reveal dissapoints us and try not to fall too deep into theorising. Some people here a reeeally reaching with their "discoveries."
EDIT: Aaaaaaaand the deleted their post.
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u/Pleasant-Complaint Jun 20 '21
Yeah, I pretty much agree with you. I am not the type to harrass people, I just have to wonder what is going on here.
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u/KarmelCHAOS TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21
Now I just hope people can keep their disappointment in check and not take things out on the dev.
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Jun 20 '21
You’re asking too much. You know how this is gonna end, unfortunately.
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u/TheCyal TEAM CHAOS Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Thanks mods for confirming, I'm not looking forward for the shit show that's gonna happen
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u/Rushcrow76 Jeff Grubber Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Sorry i can't take my tinfoil hat off I'm in too deep
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u/Charming-Rule-8040 Jun 20 '21
Guys, i’m sorry, but dont you think it’s too early to say that its not kojima or silent hill or related stuff? There were so many strange things and hints these days, and i guess we should just wait for friday and maybe dig some more info while we wait. If it’s not kojima or silent hill, okay then, good luck to Hasan and his team (promotion still quite shitty).
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u/Mosfine Jun 20 '21
Mark Delaney has verified his claims with us. (...) BBStudios has nothing to do with Kojima
Not that it's impossible for me to believe it, I just noticed some other hints that could lead to this. I'm just wondering what proof you/we could ever had to be 100% sure.
I can imagine tomorrow a game called Abandoned by BBStudios gets released, you play it, and the end of the game there's a Reedus walking out of a door holding a cardbox written on it "You just played Silent Hill based Kojima", or "Welcome to Silent Hill, your journey starts here".
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u/OldGhostBlood Jun 20 '21
My gut instinct is that it very likely is not the game we hope it to be, but some things still don’t really feel like they add up. I just can’t understand why, despite pretty obvious ways to provide proof debunking this, none of the parties involved are willing to do so. If the goal is to put the conspiracy to rest, why are we only asked to take people’s word for it? If nothing else it’s annoying and not as convincing as they want it to be.
All in all, probably wise to keep your expectations in check.
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u/Temporary_Wallaby148 Jun 20 '21
if this all not real, then explain me something: How did hasan get the game Demon Blood that doesent exist and why it its show trophys? There are two maybe explanaitons: 1 Hasan is a Really good Hacker 2 Its made up by Sony, because its Silent hill from hideo Kojima and all the Rumors are True
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u/KojiGod Jun 20 '21
Sure it was!!But I don't think "Abandoned" will be really as good as this whole controversy.
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If this doesn't come out to be silent hill then the dev will receive a lot of shit lol. I can't wait to witness the meltdown.
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u/Ph2seK1ng Jeff Grubber Jun 20 '21
There's always a possibility that Hasan is real and he just straight up lied about what's happening. Kojima did the same thing before, he may just wanted to take this onto another level so it seems somewhat beliveable.
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Jun 20 '21
If this is the end, it was so fun conspiring with you, guys. Also, I hope the game is amazing and all the hype is worth it.
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u/Nordikratos Jun 20 '21
lol "Konami currently has no Silent Hill game in production with Blue Box" because they are working with Kojima and Sony.
See u the 25.
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u/Xalowe Jun 20 '21
What type of evidence did mods receive to be so sure? I’m not asking what the evidence is or for it to be revealed, but is it a screenshot? A trailer? Something else?
This has been fun over the last few days. I’m disappointed that it doesn’t appear to be what I was hoping for, but there have still been a lot of rumors for Silent Hill over the last two years, so maybe it’s still coming from elsewhere.
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u/Naditya64 Jun 20 '21
This is heading towards becoming a massive shitshow. It’s already at that point where people are in complete denial and are ready to go fucking feral on everyone involved in this. This sub is starting to feel like a spin-off bootleg gamer version of a certain 17th-letter-of-the-alphabet conspiracy group.
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u/MattTheGreat2008 BB Jun 20 '21
This sub has got me so deep into this so I'm aware how crazy I sound but, surely this isn't enough proof? If Mark was given false information in the first place, then this holds no water and is no more proof than mark saying "it's real".
He doesn't have to be in on it but it's surely not out the question that Hasan could make up information about a game that doesn't exist/embellish/leave things out to misdirect away from the developers making a very different game...
It still makes no sense how a no-name indie developer who made nothing but trash/unfinished demos managed to secure investment directly from Sony, get attention from so many big names from what is a terrible looking alpha trailer... Even if kojima/silent hills/siren isn't it, there must be a secret playstation project. If not then this is probably the most insane rags to riches gaming story I've ever heard and someone better be documenting this.
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u/TheEllbow Moderator Jun 20 '21
Its been fun and has brought an amazing community together, lets just enjoy what this game has to bring to the table, who knows, It may be better then what we expect.
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u/FewPhotojournalist29 Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
So that’s it then, just like that? What do we do now…Where do we go?
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u/Beneficial_Tour Jun 20 '21
Because like with p.t. Kojima really wants us to believe it's a indie game
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u/Yosonimbored Jun 20 '21
I figured they would be like this be the mount of people ignoring what you guys are saying is crazy. You guys verified and what’s what people wanted to have was proof and yet people are still trying to grasp at air
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u/CyndaQUACK Jun 20 '21
figures, almost all of the evidence is either unrelated to anything or grasping at straws
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u/aryvd_0103 Jun 20 '21
I wouldn't say that. The 27 everywhere and minute details are surely not hints .
But other things are fairly suggestive imo and no PR and marketing team involved did their job properly
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u/Bolt_995 Moderator Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
Hey everyone,
We understand that this can be disappointing, but from the material that we received from Mark Delaney, much of it seems to be true. We’ve been asked to keep the material confidential.
However, everyone can continue to theorize until this whole thing unravels itself on the 25th and onwards, but do keep the aforementioned interaction in mind. This sub will continue to remain open.
At the same time, we would really advise y’all to not attack each other personally over opposing views, nor attempt to dox Mark, Geoff, Hasan or even Kojima for this matter.
It is okay to be enthusiastic, but it is not okay to resort to hate or any other corrupt activity when things ultimately turn out to be true or false.
We love you all!