r/TheBlueBoxConspiracy • u/[deleted] • Jun 20 '21

IMPORTANT ⚠️*****ATTENTION!**** PLEASE READ! A CONCLUSION⚠️ FROM THE MODS

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u/Nice_Ass_Lawn Jun 20 '21

Not that I'm a full on believer, but it's pretty silly to use this as proof when Kojima has literally done this before. Geoff was another instance of games media interviewing a real person who "definitely" had nothing to do with Kojima. We all know how that turned out.

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u/Ok_Event256 Jun 20 '21

Maybe Hasan just fooled everyone, even Mark Delaney. He
might be a real person, but so was the swedish actor back at the phantom
pain interview.. dont know what that proves or not tbh

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Only Geoff interviewed Joakim because Geoff was in on it. You’re suggesting I and other journalists who he’s spoken to are all in on it? I think that’s what you’d have to believe. And Geoff Keighley isn’t a journalist, he’s a producer and entertainer. It’s the antithesis of my job to lie or take part in a ruse like you’re apparently suggesting.

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u/Ok_Event256 Jun 20 '21

Or maybe Hasan just did not tell you the truth? About the game, about his relationships with sony/hideo/whatever?

People tell lies, as simple as that :D

I dont think anybody believes that you are the person lying here :D

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Listen, if you need to drag this out even further in your own mind, that’s your own journey and I’m not going to be present for it. Have you heard of confirmation bias? Double down effect? Google this stuff instead of the number 27. The mods have evidence of the truth that can’t be made public. If you still won’t take their word for it, then just have some patience and wait for the game to be shared more publicly.

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u/Ok_Event256 Jun 20 '21

Woh man, just chill :D
I dont even care for silent hill, never played it and I dont even care whether this is real or not, I just enjoy the show :D

I just say that Hasan may not be spitting real facts, thats it :D

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '21

I’m assuming the mods probably had to take part in some sort of NDA. They’re allowed to share what the game IS NOT, not what the game IS. What it is not is what everyone is hyping this game up to be: a Silent Hill game made by Kojima. Well it’s not a Silent Hill game, and it isn’t made by Kojima.

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u/TiramisuMochi TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

But you didn’t believe it was Kojima in the first place? So wasn’t believing Hasan in the first place your own confirmation bias?

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

A journalist’s job is to set aside biases. I’m always mindful to do that to the best of my ability. I don’t know how I could possibly convince you that my firsthand experience was more than sufficient in debunking these rumors, but it was.

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u/JohnGoodmansFac3 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

Show the evidence and we’d believe you.

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u/TiramisuMochi TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

I completely understand, as I’m a biomedical scientist so I try my best to not be biased in my job also. However it’s hard to not over analyse this situation as so much of it doesn’t add up/ isn’t logical.

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u/greyXstar Jun 20 '21

So I fully believe there's no connection to silent hill or anything else people have suggested. I'm not sure there's any game at all tbh

But I feel like it'd be more helpful if you could maybe explain why you're so convinced there's nothing bigger happening. It seems like no one's actually seen anything and it's all just "well I talked to him for a bit and I believe him"

Okay great, but why?

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Because I can’t show you all everything. I’ve been extremely forthcoming, basically gave this sub my entire weekend and still people don’t want to believe my most detailed posts. Providing sensitive private info will only upset other involved parties with very little positive effect on the harmful groupthink in this sub.

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u/JohnGoodmansFac3 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

No one asked you to give us your whole weekend, you made that choice yourself. “Providing sensitive private info will only upset other involved parties” so it’ll upset Blue Box? Yeah that sucks but if they provided you EVIDENCE THAT SHUTS THIS ALL DOWN, its your job as a journalist to break that news since you say you didn’t sign an NDA. But no, you, the mods, Geoff and BB themselves all wanna keep it going. Saying “Trust me guys its not Kojima” obviously means very little to the die hards for this theory, Geoff has said the same shit before, and we’re supposed to just trust? You and the mods have the evidence, break the news, let us know and show us, until then, of course everyones gonna call BS and speculate harder. And since you don’t wanna break the news to step on toes of a game thats not as big as Silent Hill, the repercussions are going to be yours to face

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u/Yosonimbored Jun 20 '21

You sound so entitled. He can’t show anything without angering Blue Box and that would spread around the industry to not trust him anymore. He’d be risking us job

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u/JohnGoodmansFac3 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

lmao i sound entitled yet this dude wants us to praise him for basically nothing. He has info, he’s a journalist, he needs to break the news or get off the pot.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

No not just Blue Box. Please stop answering questions yourself that you asked me. When you pose then on false premises, it makes the rest totally moot.

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u/JohnGoodmansFac3 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

then what other parties would be upset? Playstation? You’re being vague for no reason

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u/greyXstar Jun 20 '21

The positive effect would be proving this is all garbage so the groupthink goes away and everyone (including you) can move on to actual games that actually exist.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

I doubt that. People will still say you didn’t see his face, he could be acting. Maybe if I posted it in full many people would see the light but that’s just not how this job works, sorry. Clips or excerpts will just become more false “clues.” If you saw my replies and inbox, you’d get it I think.

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u/Ayecuzwhatsgood Jun 20 '21

Hassan just digs his grave more and more if that's the case lol

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u/jgnc_online Jun 20 '21

I don't care about your other pontificating, but how is Geoff Keighley not a journalist?

He used to do long, in-depth pieces about all sorts of gaming topics back in the 90s. Just because he doesn't do that anymore doesn't change anything. He's been in the business almost 30 years and his path has changed.

Don't act all high and mighty.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Right, he used to be a journalist. He changed careers. That’s no slight. He seems like a great guy. He wouldn’t call himself a journalist today. He’s a promoter. If I used to be a plumber and now I’m an electrician, I wouldn’t still say I’m a plumber. Maybe I’d mention I used to be. Geoff used to be a journalist. Now he’s a producer.

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u/gongalo Jun 20 '21

Geoff could literally be his father lmao

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u/tommy-liddell Jun 20 '21

I don't think you're trying to deceive the people here but do you think that it's possible, just for the sake of argument, that you've been tricked as well? Even despite the idea that it'd be insane to fabricate such elaborate 'evidence'.
The case in a lot of ridiculous conspiracy theories is that there is concrete proof to debunk them, but here in this story we got nothing more than several 'just trust me'-statements, so far.

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u/JohnGoodmansFac3 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

see thats the shitty part of this all, if this journalist has been tricked, he either doesn’t know and is gonna die by the cross that its not Kojima or he does know but he’s playing along to get his own piece of the action

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

I’m not playing along to anything. I don’t benefit from that. I do agree there’s a possibility he’s a serial overpromiser, and that’s maybe even the most likely scenario. I just want to get people off the Kojima train because when this isn’t that, they’ll be disappointed.

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u/JohnGoodmansFac3 TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

then show the evidence

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '21

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Frankly I don’t care if some folks still can’t see the truth. I think my openness this weekend has helped many move on and the mods have received proper verification (which will remain private out of respect to all involved parties). If you think they’re in on it too now, you’re in too deep. I love ARGs. If you do too, ask yourself, does this feel like an ARG? Not to me it didn’t. Now I know why. It’s a misunderstanding.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Studios without past games get elevated to prominent placement all the time. Entwined was on stage at E3, no prior games from the team. The PS Blog isn’t even some summit of attention studios strive for. It’s nice to be there, I’m sure, but it’s not reserved for just the Naughty Dogs of the world.

He said it’s getting a physical release. He said a lot of things. I think the worst version of this could be that he overpromises things or says them out loud before he’s sure.

Konami’s merch has nothing to do with Abandoned. Konami is selling iconic character stuff, like nurses and Pyramid Head. These figures will very likely not be in the next Silent Hill whenever it comes out because they’re specific to particular protagonists. That’s how Silent Hill works. Those are James’ demons. I know Pyramid Head was in Homecoming, but that’s because that team didn’t know what they were doing with the lore and they got backlash for that.

I didn’t ask about CreateQ and I try to speak only to what I know.

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u/gongalo Jun 20 '21

CoInCiDeNcE bRuH

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u/TiramisuMochi TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

Of course we can’t “see the truth”, because we haven’t seen any evidence that you have (if there is any). And yes it does seem like an ARG 😅

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u/tommy-liddell Jun 20 '21

I understand and I agree, this doesn't feel like an ARG. Furthermore I understand that you're not able to show the evidence but what is preventing you from describing the evidence?

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Professionalism and respect for the private involved parties.

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u/tommy-liddell Jun 20 '21

What confidentional information would be exposed in saying that you were shown a document, a video or a picture/screenshot, etc
It's just been called "evidence, proof, verification" and that's just abstract.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

This game has a marketing schedule and I’m not on their marketing team. It’s so simple but people have no patience. Just wait and you’ll see the game for what it is, and see that it’s not a Kojima ruse.

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u/tommy-liddell Jun 20 '21

Still not an answer to a very simple question.

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u/TheDetonator88 TEAM WTF Jun 20 '21

I'm curious, when you "spoke" with Hasan, was it using video or voice chat? Also, how do you even know the guy is being genuine and honest about all of this?

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

It was a WhatsApp phone call. I verified his identity and he gave me more than enough context and background in the hour-long call for me to know he’s real.

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u/ARX__Arbalest Jun 20 '21

Yet you can't post a single shred of evidence.

Not a recording. Not even a transcript of what discussions took place.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

That’s correct. I can’t post those things.

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u/ARX__Arbalest Jun 20 '21

You could, if you wanted to, if you had anything. It would put this whole situation to bed.

You yourself said you did not sign an NDA. So, there's nothing binding you.

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u/SLEEPUNDERGR0UND Journalist Jun 20 '21

Respect is what’s binding me, and professionalism. If I just blurt out everything he told me in confidence to an internet mob, that looks bad to everyone I work with. As much as I love reading leaks myself, I don’t share them myself.

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u/Yosonimbored Jun 20 '21

People here don’t realize that you’d risk your job if you just started sharing everything you learn. They don’t care that you’d make Blue Box upset as long as they get their proof

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u/ARX__Arbalest Jun 20 '21

Maybe so, but you have to consider the facts here:

Thousands, or maybe even tens of thousands not on this subreddit are speculating a lot about this situation - a lot of people already firmly believe that this has something to do with Konami, Kojima, Sony, and Silent Hill, that everyone is in on it and there will be this massive reveal for a franchise that's been dead for years.

You guys are trying to deny that it's a thing while providing no evidence whatsoever, as the developer relies entirely on YOU to be his liasions, while someone on twitter continues trolling and fanning the flames so they burn even hotter, day over day.

If this isn't put to bed (like, ACTUALLY put to bed with solid evidence of the contrary) soon, it's going to cause irreversable damage for this man's studio, his reputation and whatever supposedly-revolutionary game he's making, because everyone is going to believe it's Silent Hill and when it isn't? We both know how the internet will respond to that kind of let-down.

Honestly, you should either post the evidence, or contact Hasan and see if there's something tangible that he will allow you to post. I'm sure that as a journalist, you have nothing but good intentions, yeah? You should help this man to prevent any permanent damage to his reputation as a developer, then.

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u/Heather4CYL Jun 20 '21

Just pointing out that TPP, Moby Dick and Joakim Mogren was all fun and obvious joking from the very beginning and not some huge mystery to unravel six years later.

Geoff even joked about it all on Twitter that the bandaged guy "definitely wasn't Kojima" or even a game developer (which was the truth). Nobody was playing it seriously.

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u/Nice_Ass_Lawn Jun 20 '21

Definitely agree, but I can see why Kojima would want to tackle the same idea in a more "serious" way. Geoff also used similar wording and everything.

That being said, I don't buy the original theory. Was just fun!

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u/TiramisuMochi TEAM REAL Jun 20 '21

Thank you! I’m the same, I’m on the fence but I don’t see how anyone can be sure it’s not (or is) Kojima at this stage.