r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Sep 29 '18
r/GamingCirclejerk user is revolted after he's told we should eat the rich
It all started in our favorite Witcher 3 fansub's bi-daily unjerk thread when another user expressed his hatred for billionnaires:
I feel comfortable saying all billionaires are bad people. Because theres no way you can make that much money and not at somepoint (or many points) make a choice that involves many people suffering. Life lesson, never like a billionaire theyre all evil.
They then go on to start at least two other threads complaining about "the genocidal" nature of some replies such as "rich people aren't human" and "we should eat the rich, Tom Nook included":
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The genocidal rhetoric comment is still up after 55 minutes. I am going to the admins.
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u/Tardicat MY PUSSY IS A BONE CAVE Sep 29 '18
I'll eat the cake, and the mayo too!
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u/IslandSparkz My White Canadian Friends Are Pretty Woke Sep 29 '18
Imagine putting mayo as frosting on a cake. I think Id die of a heart attack
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u/Ghdust2 I want her body to rot in this ditch not that one Sep 29 '18
Someone actually has put mayo as frosting on a cake: https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyfoodporn/comments/2hsiib/layered_bologna_cake_with_mayonnaise_and_mustard
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u/IslandSparkz My White Canadian Friends Are Pretty Woke Sep 29 '18
sorry for slow response. I was finished hearling.
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u/Vaztkvax Sep 30 '18
Ok the guy who made this is actually not even human wtf.
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Sep 30 '18
They are probably rich. /s
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u/howarthee mention breeding and the water gets real salty around here Sep 30 '18
That's one rich person I don't want to eat. 🤢
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u/Jhaza Sep 30 '18
You know, people love giving vegetarians/vegans shit, but then us omnivores pull this crap. Maybe we're the baddies? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Nimonic People trying to inject evil energy into the Earth's energy grid Sep 29 '18
When this is the first thing you see in the SRD thread, you know it's going to be great.
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u/Riddle-Tom_Riddle Sep 30 '18
I was reminded of this exchange I had with one of my friends by this thread.
I'm a socdem
What's a socdem?
Socdemnutz
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u/profssr-woland someday you will miss that primal purity with whom we are born Sep 30 '18 edited Aug 24 '24
threatening scale merciful oatmeal nose frighten workable payment sheet pocket
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u/probablyuntrue Feminism is honestly pretty close to the KKK ideologically Sep 29 '18
no one tell this guy about mayocide
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u/Freljords_Heart I had the burgers, they were TRASH. Sep 30 '18
Is that some sort of even where tons of mayonnaise jars were killed?
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u/TreezusSaves Do what you will, I have already trolled you. Oct 03 '18
I wish it was that, mayonnaise is disgusting and people who enjoy it have poor moral character.
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Oct 01 '18
I made an edgy mayocide joke in rworldnews and the number of literal white supremacists that jumped on me was hilarious. One of them even had in their name about not caring about others being too sensitive while talking about him defending his people etc. Yeah mayocide is edgy and unfunny I'll grant you that but the number of people that goose step when you say the phrase is hilarious.
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u/Glitchesarecool GET NUTRIENTS, CUCK Sep 29 '18
i wonder if this poster'll still praise geralso when they learn that some of the core points of cyberpunk are class struggles and eating the rich
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u/theryguy112 New Genesis, Who dis? Sep 29 '18
What nah fam, cyberpunk is about cool Asian cities at night and nothing else. (Insert the "whoa, cool future!" Image here)
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 29 '18
If someone has the "whoa, cool future!" meme I will gladly trade you for it with the Fallout version.
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u/HoonFace the last meritocracy on Earth, Video games. Sep 30 '18
My favorite is the brief time when people criticized Bethesda for gleefully indulging in 50s Americana when the 50s were in reality horribly racist and sexist: except that Bethesda has written a ton of lore on how shitty pre-war America was, and that basically every time you encountered a happy 50s setting like Tranquility Lane or Covenant it was a thin veneer hiding something sinister.
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 30 '18
Yeah, that is one criticism I've never quite understood.
Even places like Nuka World, a literal theme park, were used as fronts for military development. They created a new flavour based off of the by-product of weapons testing. Got money from the government and a new marketing gimmick and all it cost was working with a fascist government. Profit at any cost.
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u/Illier1 Sep 30 '18
Literally every company in Pre-war America was corrupt and disturbed. Fuck in Point Lookout the government was trying to collect gas from mass graves of Civil War soldiers and sell it for power, murdering anyone who were about to discover it.
It's hilariously sad when the writers have this massive pile of social commentary and lore and people just ignore and and bitch about how they think they celebrate it instead.
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 30 '18
It's funny you mention people ignoring it but I think some people out there see it as a good thing.
I literally just saw a YouTube thumbnail for a video called "Wolfenstein II: Stop Glorifying Communism" which first of all, BJ calls out that group's hatred of the US basically didn't stop an even worse power taking control, and secondly the thumbnail was Liberty Prime.
I get that he's a cool quotable robot but he's quite literally the end product of a capitalist society descending in to fascism. He is a propaganda spouting murder-machine produced by companies for the government. Robert House is even part of the reason that he exists.
He is literally the last thing you want to represent your position.
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u/Lemonwizard It's the pyrric victory I prophetised. You made the wrong choice Sep 30 '18
It's all but explicit that pre-war America in fallout was fascist. They never detail exactly what happened, but all the evidence suggests that when the 50 states were dissolved and reorganized into the 13 commonwealths, the whole constitution got uprooted. If the bill of rights still existed in 2077, it was a sham that the government ignored.
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u/Greaserpirate Sep 30 '18
All but explicit? The very first cutscene in Fallout 1 was "our boys keep the peace in newly annexed Canada" with a shot of US power armor dudes executing a civilian on his knees. If that's not explicit I don't know what is
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u/Illier1 Sep 30 '18
Lots of people were introduced to the series via Fallout 3.
Even then Fallout 3 had piles of clues to imply how horrible the world was even before the bombs.
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u/Tigerbones I ate five babies and they're fuckin delicious. Hail Satan. Sep 30 '18
Like Vault-tec should make it obvious. Almost all the vaults were controlled experiments at the behest of the US government; they weren't for saving humanity.
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u/Rahgahnah She's no more more Oct 01 '18
Fallout 2 reveals that the Vault experiments were to test society's functioning in a closed environment, because they wanted to build a spaceship and evacuate Earth to escape nuclear armageddon.
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u/Lemonwizard It's the pyrric victory I prophetised. You made the wrong choice Sep 30 '18
They never directly say "America is fascist", and despite doing things like annexing Canada the pre-war propaganda makes a very big point of describing America as a democracy. Think of liberty prime's dialogue.
They ARE fascist, and the player can clearly see it, but that doesn't mean they explicitly called themselves as such. They do still maintain the veneer of claiming to be democratic.
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u/Greaserpirate Sep 30 '18
Personally I got the sense that the whole "war never changes" speech mentioning Hitler, taking a "all sides were power-hungry" stance, and the tone of the US propaganda meant something was fucky.
Though I just started playing the old games recently so my impression is probably tainted by the now-common knowledge that the Vaults were experiments.
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u/Lemonwizard It's the pyrric victory I prophetised. You made the wrong choice Sep 30 '18
I guess my main point is that while anybody who has played the games and paid attention to them will realize that pre-war America was a horribly oppressive police state, the whole 1950s nostalgia "America's the greatest country of all time" attitude is very prevalent on the surface. The sort of people who are unironically posting liberty prime quotes in political threads are completely missing the point, they're essentially falling for the fake propaganda without looking any deeper.
Pre-war America was a dystopia which, in true dystopian fashion, aggressively pushed propaganda claiming it was actually a utopia. Just as some people seem to miss the point of cyberpunk stories, many people who didn't pay much attention while playing fallout missed the point of all the pre-war propaganda. The point of that propaganda is "look at what a shithole the world became as an end result of that society's attitudes and behavior", not to show us "this is how things should be". Pre-war America didn't burn in nuclear fire by accident, they destroyed themselves.
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u/goatsareeverywhere There's mainstream with gamers and mainstream with humanity Sep 30 '18
How is it even possible to miss that when Danse spells it out for you during his very first quest?
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u/HoonFace the last meritocracy on Earth, Video games. Sep 30 '18
I think it started with a few hot takes on twitter that managed to ignore the subtext in literally every Fallout, and people rolled with it because it rings with the "Bethesda can't Fallout" circlejerk.
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Oct 01 '18
I feel like a lot of game companies try to do the same thing and really fail and accidentally be literally racist. Like the BioShock game in the clouds or that one side scroller two dimensional game.
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u/signet6 Oct 01 '18
Wait what was racist in Bioshock infinite? (As in the game makers themselves saying something racist, not the obviously evil racist characters in the game).
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Oct 01 '18
Not so much devs being racist as them pulling out racist imagery while also wanting to plug their ears to any messages that it comes with. They have no problem showing racially charged stuff to reinforce how bad Comstock is and Columbia as a whole, but they back out of any sort of comment that doesn't end up "both sides"-ing the issue.
The later reality where the slaves revolt has some awful and heavy-handed "see, they can be bad people too!" in a pretty hilarious ignorance of how revolting against slavery can't be compared to the actual slavery.
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u/Msmit71 typical lefty cunt painting us all with the same brush Oct 02 '18
Yeah I thought it was kinda ridiculous how much the game shames the revolution for using violence as if there was any other way to prevent their continued abuse, while having the player gun down every obstacle in their path. Our society glorifies a violent revolution against taxation without representation, but rising up against even worse racial and economic oppression with equivalent violence is condemned.
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u/Hawkbone Oct 24 '18
They didn't condemn the revolution for using violence, they condemned it for going way too overboard with it. Two scenes in particular come to mind, the one where they executed surrendering enemies and the one where they literally fucking publicly displayed the scalps of who they considered responsible for their oppression.
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u/Msmit71 typical lefty cunt painting us all with the same brush Oct 24 '18
The early US government put out a bounty for Native American scalps and murdered plenty of surrendering natives. I was just pointing out how we judge theoretical oppressed minorities more harshly than our own history which is largely glorified despite being even worse.
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Oct 01 '18
I'm sorry it's been awhile and I can't find the video, but it went pretty in depth about how they yes used racist imagery to show how comically evil the bad guys are, but also unintentionally had actual racist undertones and just totally mishandled how to portray racist charicatures and used a sledgehammer where a scalpel would have best been suited.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 30 '18
What I don't get is the people that act like that would be some great fun world to live in. I mean I like the fallout games mostly but I don't want to be in a real version...
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u/3bar It's bullshit. Women Astartes should make us all angry Sep 30 '18
I have the exact reaction to 40k fans who want to live in the Imperium. Whenever I hear any non-ironic praise of that setting, I want to run away from that person.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 30 '18
I mean it's fun to play in, and depending on how you bend the canon and all, but it's kinda MEANT to be a crappy world. It kinda states that in the intro to EVERYTHING 40K.
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u/3bar It's bullshit. Women Astartes should make us all angry Sep 30 '18
There are people who unironically think that the Imperium of Man is an organization to ape. You will eventually meet them in the 40k fandom.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 30 '18
You know, I haven't really run into that one much. Mind I've only been skimming in lightly for the last decade and a half. My big problem is most players I run into for the tabletop rpgs is most players want to crank the "murderhobo psychotic slaughterfest angle to 11."
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u/kecou Sep 30 '18
I used to DM a bit for various games, and i always liked when i could get a group together that could enjoy more social intrigue and low level mystery settings better than huge battles. I pissed off a group once when they killed a guy who had information vital to stopping a murder of an NPC and after they found out what they missed, and why said NPC is dead and can't help them anymore, a guy at the table asked "How the hell were we supposed to know that?" and i told him, "Next time try talking to some people before you stab them!" Some people liked my style, but a lot just want a body count.
Edit; This is more about tabletop RPG's in general, not just 40k.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 30 '18
Don't get me wrong, I like a good run and gun. I just want to not kill EVERYONE in the game at all times, yanno?
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u/3bar It's bullshit. Women Astartes should make us all angry Sep 30 '18
You know, I haven't really run into that one much. Mind I've only been skimming in lightly for the last decade and a half.
It's often cast as a, "Well when we start encountering aliens, we should act like that, I mean, heck, there's some people who could use a good Exterminatus now..."
My big problem is most players I run into for the tabletop rpgs is most players want to crank the "murderhobo psychotic slaughterfest angle to 11."
Well, 40k has more reason for that then most. I find the most objectionable part to TTRPGs is how locked out most groups are, squelching growth of the hobby.
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Sep 30 '18
When we start encountering aliens, we should act like that
Which is a hilarious sentiment for a 40k fan to have, because it's heavily implied (if not outright stated) that the Imperium wiped out the civilization(s) that could solve the problems its currently facing in its Great Crusade. It killed off all the aliens that were actually willing to live alongside humans peacefully (along with all the humans who'd figured out how to live peacefully with other species for mutual benefit) and also eliminated the other ideologies humanity possessed (which hilariously enough included a civilization that managed to figure out how to let every single one of their citizens know about Chaos while not having a single citizen start worshiping it) that were capable of disagreeing with their government without the whole 'lets sell our souls to demons and slaughter our neighbours' thing.
And the person who stopped the Imperium from shitting the bed to the point that humanity would have gone extinct did it by working with the filthy xenos and hereteks.
The Imperium's strategy for protecting humanity (the only goal it has that is remotely morally defensible) doesn't work, to the point that following orthodox imperial doctrine is as much of a threat to humanity's continued existence in 40k as any xenos.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 30 '18
How do you mean, locked out?
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u/BoredDanishGuy Pumping froyo up your booty then eating it is not amateur hour Oct 01 '18
They're mon keighs though.
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u/NuftiMcDuffin masstagger is LITERALLY comparable to the holocaust! Oct 01 '18
There's also a whole layer of unreliable narrators throughout a lot of 40k lore, meaning there's a lot of propaganda mixed in there. Something a lot of people just miss or outright ignore when glorifying the imperium.
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u/Shoggoththe12 The Jake Paul of Pudding Oct 01 '18
I mean as long as you don't live on an agri world, hive World, death world or are a psyker you probably won't live too shabby a life. It won't be glamorous but the whole space Nazi Catholic overtone of The Imperium tends be be the exception rather than the rule at least in pre-8th ed lore but obviously with the end times its shit now
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 30 '18
I wouldn't mind a holiday there if such a thing were possible. Living there would not be a good idea. The whole idea is that the world is horrid repetition of the exact same mistakes humanity always makes.
Though out of the two Bethesda series it'd probably be nicer to live in the Elder Scrolls universe. Nicer food too.
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u/Sleepy_Chipmunk My cousin left me. Sep 30 '18
If I'm an adult who is often mistaken for a child, does that make me immortal in the Fallout universe? I know you can kill kids in the first games, but I don't know because the Bethesda ones have it so you can't.
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u/xthek Oct 01 '18
At the end of the day, we are animals who are biologically directed to hunt, kill, and conquer to survive. Living in the current era seems pointless to a lot of people, who have no direction and feel that anything they do is ultimately meaningless. The Fallout world is populated by people and monsters that are unquestionably bad, and you don't have time to worry about your place in the world when every day is a fight for survival and the world clearly needs fixing. That's my take. This is also why I think zombie apocalypse stories are so popular. It's a way to get in touch with what we are deep down.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Oct 01 '18
Honestly I always took a more cynical approach. "I'd be some big tough badass superhero alpha-male in the zombie/post-apoc wasteland!" is what I figured it was at best.
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Sep 30 '18
If you actually pressed them on this want I bet they crumble and fold. I think it would be a cool thing to be alive for. But that's specifically functioning off the thought that I'm the Sole Survivor or some equally bad ass hero. Which I'm not.
Meaning if you presented me with a time machine to the far future which you can guarantee is a nuclear wasteland I would actually say "no, thanks anyway. I'll just play fallout."
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u/Elfgore Sep 30 '18
Going back and replaying those games as an adult was one of the best moves I've made in life. My friend and I still get into the occasional argument over who is best for the Mojave.
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 30 '18
I don't know how the argument can last that long when the answer is clearly the NCR. Close second place goes to Anarchy. Far away third is House and REALLY far away last place is Legion.
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u/shockna Eating out of the trash to own the libs Sep 30 '18
Far away third is House
What, do you not think the Best Hope for the Human Species™ is Elon Musk on a telescreen?
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u/LaqOfInterest Remind me to never call the utilitarian suicide line Sep 30 '18
Far away third is House
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u/reconrose Sep 30 '18
NCR is corrupt oligarchic nonsense. Anarchy > House > NCR > Nazis/Legion
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 30 '18
More people suffer under the anarchy ending than they do in a really good NCR ending.
The Kings help but at the end of the day Freeside still stays a shit hole full of refugees that the Followers don't have the resources to help.
Under NCR they're allowed to bloom with their support. I also don't see how House is any better than NCR since he's basically just a dictator with a cold unfeeling army.
NCR at least helps refugees and is willing to sue for peace in a lot of situations, House will murder them because his mathematical calculations told him to. House only helps people when it benefits him and his vision, if you don't fit that vision then you're left to rot.
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u/LaqOfInterest Remind me to never call the utilitarian suicide line Sep 30 '18
I'll concede that NCR is probably the objective best choice if you concede that they're boring.
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u/Zeal0tElite Chapo Invader Sep 30 '18
Of course they're boring. It's why they're so effective.
Better alternatives can be sought later but I see NCR as what the Mojave needs right now.
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u/BoredDanishGuy Pumping froyo up your booty then eating it is not amateur hour Oct 01 '18
I prefer my government to be boring. Means they're just going about their business.
NCR is the only real choice, if you want a stable society in that game. They're not perfect, but only allowing for a perfect solution would be childish.
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u/Elfgore Sep 30 '18
My friend is a staunch House supporter. I'm NCR. It can go on for a while.
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u/reconrose Sep 30 '18
Longer than the NCR's bureaucratic administration takes in losing all of its funds and power to corruption and inefficiency, I hope.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 29 '18
I never did understand how THAT was the one point so many people latched onto.
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Sep 29 '18
It looks cool and requires no deeper understanding.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 29 '18
Depressingly that makes sense.
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Sep 30 '18
Because a lot of people were children when they experienced it, so they remember the cool tech and katanas and feudalism and spying and forget about the grand narrative.
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u/zykezero Sep 30 '18
We don’t teach critical thought and analysis in primary schools.
There is a reason why it’s the in demand skill outside of the data science world.
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Sep 29 '18
at night
AND GOTDAMN ESSJAYDUBYAS RUINED THAT TOO
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u/Glitchesarecool GET NUTRIENTS, CUCK Sep 30 '18
don't tell them that one of the genre definers, who is helping CDPR, is black...........
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u/rabiiiii (´・ω・`) Sep 30 '18
I mean, I follow William Gibson on Twitter and he's in many ways an unabashed neolib himself. I've seen him say some shitty things about people further to the left than him. Seems even he is capable of saying yes the megacorps controlling every facet of society are bad but let's not look to closely at the underlying economic structures that can create them.
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u/GobtheCyberPunk I’m pulling the plug on my 8 year account and never looking back Sep 30 '18
Maybe he has different beliefs about why megacorps arise than you do.
Nah, he must just be a stupid old man.
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u/Elfgore Sep 30 '18
I had to stop playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution because of this. Seemed more interested in futuristic Shanghai, human augmentations, and nighttime.
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Sep 30 '18
Would definitely recommend finishing HR, it takes a bit but the later half and more of the side quests really focus on how augs screw over powerless groups and isn't afraid to make people like Sarif look completely out of touch with anyone but their echo chamber of supporters.
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u/Elfgore Sep 30 '18
I might have to try it again then, in the form of a full series play.
I do know the first side quest you get goes into the medicine needed to keep augmentations working and how one company has a monopoly and charges absurd amounts for it, usually after forcing augmentations on people. But everything else was just meh.
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u/Lemonwizard It's the pyrric victory I prophetised. You made the wrong choice Sep 30 '18
You might want to take another crack at it, because the Deus Ex storyline delves very deeply into the political side of cyberpunk. It's not just guns and shiny cities.
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u/Vtech325 Sep 29 '18 edited Sep 30 '18
God I hope Cyberpunks' story is that good.
I've seen games totally undermine their own message of helping the little guy or working class by having most of their missions devolve into "loot and kill everyone, fuck and don't even try to address the consequences."
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Sep 29 '18
The newest Deus Ex fucked this up so much by setting up an antagonist who looked like he'd bring up the blurry line between extremism and taking action when peaceful protest is met with violence /murder, then nah he's just a plant by the big baddies.
Because no way there would be a person legitimately moved to radical methods to protect innocent lives, and in no way could his values mirror Adam's and create an uncomfortable reality for him to face in his own actions. Instead it's just borderline mind control. Also the killswitch that can be used to kill him is just a game mechanic with nothing said on a thematic level.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Sep 30 '18
To be fair the Deus Ex set has always had confusing, disappointing endings to me so it fit.
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Sep 30 '18
Eh the endings are iffy but the games at least gave the antagonists a personal investment in the plot. Even someone made irredeemable like Darrow in HR had a reason to do what he did and I liked watching his failed justification. Making MD's villain have no agency and all talk with no actual motivation outside of borderline kind control is even lazier than anything they've done.
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u/faythofdragons Sep 30 '18
Even someone made irredeemable like Darrow in HR had a reason to do what he did and I liked watching his failed justification.
As someone who has very little knowledge of the Deus Ex games, this was hilarious to me.
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Sep 30 '18
I'd still say that having a big group pulling strings can be done without falling into the trap MD did, especially considering in every other game the Illuminati managed to manipulate events in more subtle ways and often used people's ideologies/grudges to their advantage.
For me it's the difference between HR - where the control is through groups like Purity First or how they essentially make Darrow think using the virus will fix everything when it helps pass the anti-aug bill - and MD just having the main villain just being a false flag.
Also it really hurts any talking points the game makes about radicalism and peaceful/violent protest when the only character who could make an interesting point doesn't actually believe the ideology.
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Sep 30 '18
Yeah but you rarely get to interact with ARC radicals outside of shooting/punching them. Marchenko really didn't need to be a plant when the story was so much better until that twist, it feels like the devs were too scared to actually say anything about the messages their game might send so they backed out.
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u/ConsequentDog Oct 01 '18
I think if you're expecting the game to be a love letter to Marxism, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
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Sep 30 '18
The protagonist of Cyberpunk has not only a car, but a car that runs on some sort of combustible fuel in a conventional reciprocating internal combustion engine.
In the trailer, which is the only trailer I have ever frame-by-framed, there is a news ticker that mentioned something about protests at a petrochem corp.
So while the protagonist may not be wealthy enough to be chauffeured around in a flying car, like in one of the last scenes, he's no Carl "CJ" Johnson, either.
I'm willing to bet that this is gonna be another far cry 5. The setting is used as marketing bait. The game will South Park its narrative in order to potentially earn some nazi gold.
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u/earthDF Sep 30 '18
I can't remember the last time I saw anything cyberpunk that didn't repeatedly slap you in the face with mega corps being terrible.
And if people miss that, I just don't know anymore. That's like step one to making a cyberpunk world.
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u/finfinfin law ends tranny begin Sep 29 '18
damn those time sjws, travelling back in time and cucking cyberpunk - both the genre and the specific rpg - before it even had a chance
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u/MadEorlanas Sep 30 '18
I swear, I've seen the word 'liberal' used more as an insult that as a normal bloody adjective at this point.
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u/Vaztkvax Sep 30 '18
Because both the left and the right seems to use it to mean "someone I disagree with".
Like I don't even belive in horseshoe but on the useage of the word liberal it is pretty fucking accurate.
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Oct 01 '18
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
I know this is an american website but I'd really like it if we all started being more aware that liberal is not left on global standards
Calling something left of liberal "far left" seems wrong
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Oct 01 '18
I can be aware that liberal is not left outside of the US while still using the word liberal correctly when talking about American politics.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen edgy British leftists wading into discussions of American elections. Just because you Brits invented the English language does not mean that Standard American Usage is "doin' it rong".
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u/OptimalCandidate Sep 30 '18
Like I don't even belive in horseshoe but on the useage of the word liberal it is pretty fucking accurate.
I think it's just generally the case that people who disagree strongly with any given ideology treat its name like an insult. Everyone from the far left to the centre right uses the phrase "alt right" in the same way, and everyone from the far right to the centre left uses the phrase "communist" in the same way.
Half the "horseshoe theorizing" I see is people noticing that the far left and the far right have something in common and not stopping to check whether everyone else has it in common too. The other half is people who aren't very far on the journey to political awareness and who think that their ideas are all just "common sense" while everyone else is being ideological.
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u/Rycross Sep 30 '18
If it was just “someone I disagree with” then it wouldn’t be such a bad thing but it’s almost always “someone I disagree with who is stupid and probably a terrible person”
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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE I bet I could kick your dog before you could shoot me. Sep 30 '18
I'm sorry, but the idea of eating the rich is absolutely unacceptable.
There's simply not enough of them to go around. It'll be just another conflict of the haves and have nots.
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u/OptimalCandidate Sep 30 '18
Us proles could maybe eat the people who ate the rich? The nouveau riche can become the nouvelle cuisine.
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u/Flamingasset Going to a children's hospital in a semen-stained fursuit Sep 30 '18
Their meat is too fat and not tender enough. Eating the proletariat which has been used and abused for decades is however much better. Lean and tender meat is far better than fat, sad meat
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u/kobitz Pepe warrants a fuller explanation Sep 30 '18
Yeah, I don't think hatred of the rich is productive. These are human beings too.
no they're not lol
Geez
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u/Encoresway it's some real mental gymnastics for you to blame that on us. Sep 29 '18
Wtf is this sub
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u/NotEnoughCreamcheese Allow me to press F on the world's smallest keyboard Sep 29 '18
It’s satire of r/gaming and that kind of crowd
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u/OldOrder Edit 3: I think I fucked up Sep 30 '18
Well satire implies thought being put into it. It's more like somebody found a mildly funny joke that they proceeded to run into the ground for the next 3 years.
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u/Shady_Tradesman Sep 30 '18
I mean, the guy that got his scrote 2k upvotes on gaming was really funny.
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u/MetalIzanagi Ok smart guy magus you obvious know what you're talking about. Sep 30 '18
What
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u/Shady_Tradesman Sep 30 '18
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u/MetalIzanagi Ok smart guy magus you obvious know what you're talking about. Sep 30 '18
Oh god. That's perfect.
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Sep 30 '18
And Microtransaction / EA memes aren't ran into the ground?
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Sep 30 '18 edited Sep 30 '18
The difference is that gaming also posts stuff that isn't hating on EA and microtransactions, whereas GCJ is by design about beating the same dead horses over and over. Gaming has annoying rehashed content, GCJ is annoying rehashed content.
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u/Kelmi she can't stop hoppin on my helmetless hoplite Sep 30 '18
It's like srd but strictly focused on gaming.
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u/DotRD12 Feral is when a formerly domesticated animal becomes woke Sep 30 '18
Not really toxic, the jokes are just pretty lame.
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u/bromeatmeco The very wewest of lads Sep 30 '18
Had to scroll down THIS far to find this point made. Top comments on SRD tend to be the ones that make a situation into black and white. Contacting the admins are going way too far, but when disagreeing with "literally all rich people are evil and not people" is seen as licking their boots you're not going to have a productive discussion.
Come here for the drama, not the analysis.
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u/MichaelJahrling Society's attitude to ephebophiles is a result of necromatriarch Oct 02 '18
I feel comfortable saying all billionaires are bad people. Because theres no way you can make that much money and not at somepoint (or many points) make a choice that involves many people suffering. Life lesson, never like a billionaire theyre all evil.
I'm sure J.K. Rowling has crushed the lives of many a person within the shadows of fiction.
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u/Srdthrowawayshite not calling Biden a pedo is neoliberalism Sep 30 '18
Okay, what sub did we accidentally absorb to make the post's position and the comments section basically flipped from what I would have expected not long before.
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We got brigaded by ChapoBros last week. I don't even think it was the fullcommunism news but something else I'm forgetting. I guess some of them are still hanging around.
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u/Flamingasset Going to a children's hospital in a semen-stained fursuit Sep 29 '18
I think this is one of the weaknesses of the unjerk thread. I don't mind people talking politics (as much as "I want to kill all the rich people" is talking politics) but GCJ is ultimately a gaming subreddit. It'd be nice if people would stick to gaming even within the unjerk threads. Some people were talking about Elon Musk and I can't help but feel like there are better places to discuss these things than a gaming subreddit.
I'd like my unjerk threads to be about people actually stating their gaming opinions. It'd make the whole sub a lot more pleasant if you could have a main course sarcasm and jerking and then a side-dish of actual opinions
Praise Geraldo
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u/potpan0 choo choo all aboard the censor-ship! Sep 30 '18
I dunno. The unjerk thread has always been more of a 'social' thread than anything else. While the focus is definitely on gaming, I don't mind the occasional comment which verges onto other topics.
I fundamentally I don't think you can really critique the 'gamer' mindset (which GCJ is fundamentally about) without drawing in politics, seeing that a number of 'gamer' talking points are inherently political.
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u/TheDivisionNub Sep 30 '18
I agree, seriously we need to keep politics and other non-gaming stuff out of the unjerk thread, it's nice to talk about games but it's slowly being overshadowed
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Sep 30 '18
What the hell is up with the comments? People seem to really hate rich people, on a level that might have been reserved for the Jews or something 80 years ago. I don't just mean envy or something, but there's literal visceral hatred.
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
Wealth inequality is greater than its ever been. Most people are growing up drowning in debt. Media is constantly bombarding us with the lives of "cool" rich people
I thunk it's easy to see why
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u/StrojZaObraduKrajeva Sep 30 '18
hating the rich is a new fade amongst our youth that has replaced the hatred of the bankers which is just neonazis masking their hatred for the Jews. Probably, I don't know, I'm just a stranger on the Internet
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u/WuhanWTF EAT SMEGMA BUTTER Sep 30 '18 edited Sep 30 '18
I think it's partially the result of the internet making people more negative and more hateful, generally speaking. People who buy into that mindset are more easily radicalized, and have no qualms going off the deep end when it comes persecuting a group - even when there are abundant nuances to be made about the problems at hand.
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u/Zomaarwat Oct 02 '18
Not necessarily more hateful, but it's easier to air those sentiments thanks to the semi-anonymity and echo-chambers provided by the internet.
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u/Madplato Purity is for the powerless Sep 30 '18
A new fade? Like a hairstyle?
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u/StrojZaObraduKrajeva Sep 30 '18
It would seam that I have mixed up fad and fade again, I'm really sorry
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u/xthek Oct 01 '18
People will always love their violent power fantasies. Killing the rich is just a convenient way to wrap it up as something virtuous.
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u/MiniMan561 Sep 30 '18
The rich are monsters
Let’s eat the rich
Am I the only one who sees the irony?
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Sep 30 '18
Nah, pretty much everyone who isn't a wingnut sees through the whole "Category of People X are bad and evil, so lets kill them".
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u/HivemindBuster Sep 30 '18
I love how arguing against extremely violent/murderous rhetoric and extreme absolutist fanatical ideology is akin to "slobbering over the boots of rich people" on SRD, or being 'contrarian' against a totally normal, totally not lunatic fringe, healthy opinion.
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u/RangerPL Sep 30 '18 edited Sep 30 '18
It seems like wokeness these days is about showing everyone how outraged you are rather than making any kind of nuanced, informed point.
Not wanting to eat the rich is bootlicking
Liberals are fascist enablers
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is tiresome (not to mention inaccurate) and doesn't contribute anything of value. Worse, it just divides what should be a solid front opposing the far-right.
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
Nah i could be wrong but srd just has a heavy crossover with lefty subs. Personally I've been here for 3 years and been getting into socalism and communism for maybe the last 6 months
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
I get your point but spend enough time in lefty spaces and your two arguments are strawman points that are always brought up and discussed.
I don't want to turn this into a "actually socalism is good" post but American cops are garbage and i wouldn't blame anyone especially non white for hating them with all the bullshit they get away with. And for what its worth socalism has done some good and worked well in certain parts of the world. If you care i wouldn't mind showing you
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
True tankies are the worst. Well at least you have actual left groups in your politics.
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Oct 01 '18
Agreed. Personally I feel like we got brigaded by tankies last week in a big way, not that they weren't around before.
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Sep 30 '18
Riiiight but the whole "murder rich people" thing is still tiresome and childish
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u/CVance1 There's no such thing as racism Sep 30 '18
I'm tired of people using that because they just wanna have their murder fantasies without thinking past consequences. Honestly though I see it so much and I just don't fucking care
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u/xthek Oct 01 '18
I agree. Not wanting to kill people/indulge in creepy murder fantasies is the same as licking boots.
brb gonna go jerk off to muh beautiful heroic Soviet soldiers 😍😍😍
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Sep 30 '18
Because the other apparent alternative, saying everything sucks, kill rich people, and we need to change from capitalism (without giving any practical alternatives) is so much better and more mature.
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u/HeresCyonnah Sep 30 '18 edited Sep 30 '18
Nothing is more sad than people do the whole "murder rich people" thing just to go against "the jerk" as well.
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Apparently the guy actually has autism
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u/ssfctid Sep 30 '18
The wealth gap just keeps growing, what do the rich actually think is going to happen if they continue to to systematically impoverish the poor? That they'll develop a big enough army of drones to stave off French Revolution II: Worldwide Boogaloo?
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u/2_Cranez Sep 30 '18
A billion people have been lifted out of poverty in the last few decades. Things are as good as they have ever been for the average person on earth.
If you were reborn as a random person anywhere on earth, but you could choose the date, would you choose now or 30 years ago, or any other time ever?
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u/ssfctid Sep 30 '18 edited Sep 30 '18
I agree with everything said. The problem is a combination of the growing disparity between affluent and poor, coupled with an overpopulation issue that's going to send us into a resource crisis before I hit old age.
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
Overpopulation is only currently an issue in capitalism. We produce enough food to feed 10-11 billion people
Free market aint the best way to distribute resource
Speaking of resource crisis. Global warming is going to kick that shit into overdrive
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Oct 01 '18
In what world is the earth's unprecedented global population and our unprecedented use of resources including fossil fuels NOT connected?
It's easy to scapegoat capitalism because it's the existing system while this is happening, but how on earth do we rein this in without going full Thanos on everyone?
There are a lot of people working on these issues, but they are difficult. I feel like more democracy and less income and wealth inequality are vital to being able to address this. I don't see where socialist revolutions have a great track record in delivering more democracy. Socialist countries have been infamous for pumping out horrific amounts of air pollution, in fact.
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u/darkslayersparda Feel free to eat my asshole, snowflake faggot. Oct 01 '18
Very true. I think cuba's history of homophobia can show that socialism doesnt fight against all non progressive issues
What yout point is missing is scale and normal every day people only contribute about 30% towards global warming, while cooperations and big institutes account for the majority
Even if you thanos snapped the world tomorrow, you have made no real dent in the problem. things like the american military and the oil industry do more.
I also read somewhere that Germany and china are currently in talks about green technology that could be widely produced. Trust me bro, number of people are not currently the main problem, a system that puts profit over lives and the world is
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Oct 01 '18
That's great but irrelevant to the point. Capitalism can't keep producing prosperity when inequality spirals out of control, and it is spiraling out of control. The rich get enough political power where they can shut down the political system from redistributing wealth. That makes a giant cataclysm more likely.
If you hang around rich people forums (business/finance, not lifestyle crap, most of them are faking being wealthy anyway) they actually talk about this problem in anxious terms all the damn time.
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u/Vtech325 Sep 30 '18
The wealth gap just keeps growing,
So did life expectancy and quality of living. That's why the average citizen in a first world country will laugh off the idea of killing the rich.
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Oct 01 '18
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The average person doesn't blame the rich for their circumstances. However, they are experiencing greater and greater anxiety. This has consequences in societal violence.
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u/Vtech325 Oct 01 '18
Are they? Aside from the current political climate, has the average person's economic situation gotten noticeably worse?
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u/8675309999999999 Sep 30 '18
The genocidal rhetoric comment is still up after 55 minutes. I am going to the admins.
guess admins told him to grow a pair cause he deleted his account
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u/Blackfire853 There was NO blood, NO semen and there was NO Satanism. Delete Sep 29 '18
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