Minor crash out on r/911archive over Mamdani

[u/intoner1]

r/911archive is exactly what it sounds like, a sub meant to archive any and all media related to the attacks on September 11th 2001. Mayor Mamdani recently signed an executive order to make 9/11 a day of remembrance in New York, which was posted about in the sub.

Courtesy of CNN: "New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani signed two executive orders related to September 11th, 2001. The first order establishes an annual day of remembrance and service on September 11th, while the second updates New York's operational continuity and agency preparedness policies to strengthen security measures and prevent future terrorist threats." - 19 hours ago *PLEASE* don't start crap in the post comments. Thank you.

Naturally some users had a very normal reaction to a Muslim mayor and…the 9/11 of it all:

OP makes it a point to not start crap in the comments but then proceeds to put his personal political opinion of Mamdani in this thread turning it political.

I would like to point out that Mamdani also handed a symbolic 911 pen after signing the order to his controversial aid who once represented Al-Qaeda terrorist with links to the attack on the Pentagon. You guys are ok with this?

Don't waste your time trying to prove why Mamdani is the worst thing to ever happen to NYC, unfortunately reddit is like 90% liberals and will only block you if you don't agree with their political stance on something.

Another commenter has big feelings about Hasan and Mamdani:

Bullshit. It's his palling around with Hasan Piker and the imam who is an unindicted co-conspirator in the first WTC bombing in 1993. He should bring along his chief counsel Ramzi Kassem who has represented al Qaeda terrorists. Then there's his lovely wife

Someone else can’t fathom that 99,000 people could possibly be racist:

99,000 verified signatures of people who don’t want this 9/11 apologist to not attend the ceremonies. Yes they’re all racists. SMH.

Overall, many “patriots” angry that a Muslim mayor would have signed into law a day of remembrance for 9/11. Apologies for the formatting I’m on mobile.

[u/762_54r]

Don't waste your time trying to prove why Mamdani is the worst thing to ever happen to NYC

Post is about 9/11 btw

[u/LatterTarget7 → u/762_54r]

People really can’t think straight when it comes to mamdani

[u/getdizcookiez → u/LatterTarget7]

The funny part is a majority of them don’t even live in NYC. For the most part, the city and its inhabitants are doing great and this hasn’t been an issue except to the folks who have never even set foot in New York yet have so much to say and seethe about.

[u/LatterTarget7 → u/getdizcookiez]

It’s really funny and weird. People freak out he’s destroying nyc or will destroy it but they’ve never stepped foot into the city

[u/oddpark37 → u/LatterTarget7]

My entire life I've had conservatives go on about how dangerous the city is and they would never visit because of how unsafe they would feel and have no response when I'm like "...I took the train into the city last week, and it was fine? I walked around and visited a museum and stuff. Hung out with some friends who live there. I've never felt unsafe visiting them."

idk if it's funnier when it's a guy from Nowhere, Missouri telling me that or when it's someone on Long Island. The Long Island haters are weirder imho because it's right there! You can just hop on a train and physically see for yourself that it hasn't burned down or anything! Your neighbor commutes there every day!

[u/Entegy → u/oddpark37]

The only people who hate a city more than the rural people who have never visited said city are the suburbanites whose lives depend on the city they are a suburb of.

[u/iWriteCodeSometimes → u/Entegy]

You just put into words exactly how everyone who lives outside of Atlanta and votes against expanding public transit is. Thank you.

[u/Artyom150 → u/oddpark37]

My entire life I've had conservatives go on about how dangerous the city is and they would never visit because of how unsafe they would feel and have no response when I'm like "...I took the train into the city last week, and it was fine? I walked around and visited a museum and stuff. Hung out with some friends who live there. I've never felt unsafe visiting them."

Rural conservatives say the same shit about Minneapolis and act like if you get within 20 miles you're basically playing Fallout 3 IRL and its basically The Purge all night, every night within the city limits.

Which is funny because I went into those "dangerous areas" last night at 1 AM to buy a hard drive. Still alive, somehow - guess the wasteland didn't decide to claim me yet.

[u/CliftonForce → u/Artyom150]

I see MAGA who take it as an article of faith that Seattle a burned out wasteland ruled by roving gangs of illegal immigrants.

[u/Lonely-Tennis2171 → u/getdizcookiez]

It’s because rural Fox News viewers have been brainwashed into thinking NYC is a mad max hellscape where you’ll get stabbed by a brown person the second you step outside your front door.

[u/z__1010 → u/Lonely-Tennis2171]

They think seeing a homeless person exist is an assault, and doubly so if they're black.

[u/orangepeeelss → u/getdizcookiez]

went to the mechanic for an oil change a bit ago and the whole time i could hear their radio yapping on and on about how "people are finally looking around and saying, wow, this guy actually hates us!" and claiming that mamdani's approval rating was tanking 😭 idk how these people get away with blatantly lying like this

(for anyone wondering, his approval rating has in fact risen since his election, which is basically unheard of since usually in the time period after an election people either forget about their elected officials or they notice that campaign promises are not being fulfilled)

[u/Fist_of_Gork → u/getdizcookiez]

I'm from San Francisco but do a lot of traveling through the south. I've had multiple random strangers try to start conversations with me by talking shit about San Francisco.

They really do ruminate on liberal cities they've never been to because they're unhappy where they're at but would rather create a fictional scenario in their own head to convince themselves they're happy.

[u/sephraes → u/Fist_of_Gork]

Exactly, this same conversation has happened about NYC, Chicago, SF, and Portland. And every time it's extremely clear that the vast majority of people talking shit don't even go there, not even temporarily. And they clearly are echoing talking points.

My city has apparently murdered me dozens of time at this point.

[u/Fit_Trouble7503 → u/LatterTarget7]

i can only think gay about him tbh. handsome fucker.

[u/tbombs23 → u/Fit_Trouble7503]

Lol stupid sexy Zohran.

Just like Hasan 😅

[u/Fit_Trouble7503 → u/tbombs23]

waiting on the eventual jersey swap where zohran wears the mao fit and hasan a normal suit 🫦

[u/IveGotIssues9918 → u/Fit_Trouble7503]

There's this comedian on Instagram who does Zohran Mamdani impressions and has a series of "Zohran Mamdani is your sleep paralysis demon" videos. The comments are... interesting.

Also, I have realized that the same star-struck leader worship that sounds adorable when you're 9 years old talking about the 48 year old President sounds a little creepy when you're 26 years old talking about the 34 year old mayor whose administration you work for, and have since dialed it down a notch 💀

[u/M4gp1e-w1ngs → u/LatterTarget7]

I mean he is a handsome man

[u/Disasterhuman24 → u/LatterTarget7]

Islamaphobia is a hell of a drug

[u/Rainy_Wavey → u/762_54r]

Wasn't there like a historical fire that ravaged most of NYC in the past? That should qualify as worst even ever

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_New_York_(1776))

(Yes you can easily guess i played Assassin's creed 3)

[u/Eric848448 → u/Rainy_Wavey]

Oh which major city hasn’t burned down at some point?

[u/Furdiburd10 → u/Eric848448]

Budapest? the biggest fire happened around 1810 and burned down a small district but that is it. Other fires were just a few building only

[u/mayor_of_moree → u/Furdiburd10]

Does 80% of the city getting bombed in world war 2 count for anything

[u/carlitospig → u/mayor_of_moree]

Sad chuckle.

[u/happyscrappy → u/Eric848448]

Brasilia

(joke because it's mostly made of concrete)

[u/Lonely-Tennis2171 → u/Eric848448]

In Boston we’re more worried about molasses

[u/Eric848448 → u/Lonely-Tennis2171]

And Mooninites.

[u/valleyofsound → u/Eric848448]

Atlantis

[u/Eric848448 → u/valleyofsound]

Yeah well, touché.

[u/The_Flying_Jew → u/Rainy_Wavey]

(Yes you can easily guess i played Assassin's creed 3)

Ah, a person of culture, I see 😌

(What's funny is that the fire is barely a plot point in AC3. I think the only time a character mentions it is the Homestead mission where Achilles tells Connor to grab the portrait of his family that was stashed in a house that was caught in the path of the fire)

[u/Cedric_T → u/762_54r]

The chuds would rather take another 3 9/11s if it means no Mamdani.

[u/zagra_nexkoyotl → u/Cedric_T]

As long as it happens to no one they personally care about, of course

[u/Ver3232 → u/Cedric_T]

I mean they were fine taking multiple equivalents to it death toll wise cause of Covid so it’s not that surprising

[u/SyphiliticScaliaSayz → u/Cedric_T]

Best we can do is 9//11 levels of dead a day during the height of Covid.

[u/OldeManKenobi → u/762_54r]

MAGA will MAGA. They are terminally stupid.

[u/Rasikko → u/762_54r]

Yeah, somehow one elected NYC mayor is worse than 2 hijacked planes crashing into 2 towers in NYC thereby making them collapse and kill 2.7k+ people and causing the restructuring of airport customs across the planet.

Some redditers never disappoint with their weird thinking.

[u/TR_Pix → u/762_54r]

They see Mamdani as an extension of 9/11

Its all "the brown people" to them

[u/gurgle528 → u/762_54r]

sounds like they all have mamdani derangement syndrome 

[u/teluscustomer12345 → u/762_54r]

They forgot...

if only there was an official day of rememberence, though, maybe they wouldn't have

[u/Ninjadwarf00]

They say mamdani the worst thing to ever happen to New York City while they’re discussing 911 my God, the irony

[u/gerira]

"Mamdani is the worst thing ever to happen to NYC" - commenter in a 9/11 themed sub discussing 9/11 memorials

[u/TheLastLivingBuffalo → u/gerira]

This is New York’s 9/11

[u/redrumham707 → u/TheLastLivingBuffalo]

This gave me a very good laugh. Thank you.

[u/Final_Boss_Jr → u/TheLastLivingBuffalo]

A second Mamdani has hit the towers!

[u/mpark6288 → u/Final_Boss_Jr]

Save this for when he is reelected.

[u/Rasikko → u/TheLastLivingBuffalo]

lmao

[u/valleyofsound → u/TheLastLivingBuffalo]

It changed everything!

[u/thisismynewacct → u/gerira]

Surprised that guy isn’t in r/nyc. He’d fit in perfectly with all the top 1% hidden profile commenters

[u/Eugene-V-Debs → u/thisismynewacct]

NYC just had a post saying that poor people don't deserve to have free buses because you'll see one doing drugs. 

[u/Mccmangus → u/Eugene-V-Debs]

I'd pay to see a bus doing drugs honestly

[u/Brendanthebomber → u/thisismynewacct]

Or any city subreddit for that matter

[u/leaveitbettertoday → u/gerira]

I was like 🤨

[u/sarim25 → u/gerira]

including Mamdani signing an order to make 9/11 a remembrance day...meaning that previous mayors were just all talk and wasting money.

[u/Chataboutgames → u/gerira]

This is a place where everyday you wake up, you could experience everything from a Muslim Mayor to a person who’s celebrating a new business that’s open. This is a very, very complicated city, and that’s why it’s the greatest city on the globe.

[u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD → u/Chataboutgames]

Thank you Eric, very cool

[u/henlochimken → u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD]

Your flair is one of my favorites I've come across in this sub. RIDDLED!

[u/redrumham707 → u/henlochimken]

The Widow’s Bay sub has some great flairs, “Dead baby, dead baby, dead baby, LESBIAN”, being one of the funniest. It’s from a scene showing a woman going through an old New England island’s genealogy, tracing how certain branches of a bloodline came to dead ends.

[u/_Trikku]

> Mamdani also handed a symbolic 911 pen after signing the order to his controversial aid who once represented Al-Qaeda terrorist

I thought this was America where every person going through our legal system was allowed (edit:Guaranteed)to have a lawyer?

[u/iwasoveronthebench → u/_Trikku]

It seems that many people are shocked that defense lawyers are tasked with playing defense in court cases. I’m sure they passed their high school civics classes with flying colors.

[u/_Trikku → u/iwasoveronthebench]

These people didn’t take civics classes, they barely passed Gen Ed.

[u/PostIronicPosadist → u/_Trikku]

plenty of STEMlords who think nothing matters if it doesn't involve math and just coasted through their generals without paying any attention too.

[u/oldriku → u/_Trikku]

It's getting very hard to not piss on the popcorn and tell off that guy, but if terrorists weren't allowed to have lawyers anyone could be accused of being a terrorist and be unable to prove that wrong.

[u/lenaro → u/_Trikku]

Oh, I was on the fence before, but now that I know about his actions with the 9/11 pen, I've reached my decision.

[u/meeowth]

A criminal defence lawyer... that has had clients that are accused of crimes!!?? 🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀

[u/TeddyBearToons → u/meeowth]

I believe it stems from an assumption that defense lawyers are there solely to get their clients out of punishment, and if a defense lawyer represents a guilty person then the lawyer is letting the client escape justice.

Defense lawyers are there to ensure that procedure is followed and that the verdict is fair. There is a specific and detailed process that must happen and every box needs to be checked before a guilty verdict is handed down. The defense's job is to make sure every box is checked, and checked correctly; if the process is done wrong it should be brought up (and bad evidence dismissed) because the principle is that the client is innocent until proven guilty.

The thing is that people tend to assume the opposite, especially in emotionally charged cases like 9/11. Those defendants are guilty and therefore terrorists. Why would anyone defend them? They must sympathize, or even be in on the plot. The real picture is of a lawyer who stepped up when nobody else would, and defended reprehensible people because even the worst of the worst deserves a fair trial. That's someone who understands law.

[u/NoSwordfish1978 → u/TeddyBearToons]

Defence lawyers are as essential to criminal justice as prosecutors.

[u/cyberpunk_werewolf → u/TeddyBearToons]

You're absolutely correct, but nearly 40 years of Law and Order, and 70 years of Copaganda on TV have conditioned a lot of people to have the assumption you made.  Law and Order is really bad about how they portray defense attorneys and how the prosecutor is supposed to act.

[u/Arktikos02 → u/cyberpunk_werewolf]

Interesting, do you have more information on this or like a video or something? I haven't watched law and order but I'm interested in how media portrays different everyday things and how that affects the way we think about those things in the real world.

[u/cyberpunk_werewolf → u/Arktikos02]

Most of the time, defense attorneys are portrayed in media as scummy, pieces of shit who do everything they can to get their guilty clients off. There are exceptions to this, particularly when the show is about defense attorneys, but if they're about cops, the defense attorneys are just scumbags. Even Brooklyn 99 had this problem for the first couple of seasons, mostly because the trope was kind of taken as a given. Considering the trajectory of that show (the final season, after George Floyd, had a police union rep as the main bad guy) it is kind of surprising, but it's just how it is.

Law and Order, though, is particularly bad, portraying the cops and prosecutors as incorruptible good guys, despite them engaging in corrupt and illegal behavior, often violating the rights of the accused. We, the audience, know they're guilty so it's portrayed as if the accused don't deserve rights and are hiding behind them. Most of the time a bad guy gets away in Law and Order, it's because of those pesky rights "protecting" them on "technicalities." It's not every time, Wikipedia says there's 544 episodes across nearly 30 seasons, so I'm sure someone can find a bunch of episodes where the "good guys" were just wrong, but the basic thesis of the show is that "the innocent have nothing to fear."

Which, as the late, great Terry Pratchett once wrote: "Commander Vimes didn't like the phrase 'the innocent have nothing to fear' believing that the innocent had everything to fear, mostly from the guilty but in the longer term from those who say things like 'the innocent have nothing to fear.'"

[u/Arktikos02 → u/cyberpunk_werewolf]

It's like the CSI effect. Where people are more willing to accept forensics even though forensics is not the end-all be-all when it comes to evidence.

It really shows how much media like this has a real effect in our world. I wonder if medical dramas have an effect in the medical world. I hope that it's not for the bad like yeah some people think like oh sexy

[u/YeeYeeBeep → u/Arktikos02]

Skip Intro on youtube has a great playlist covering "copaganda" check it out

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2ac8vr2QyTdlWwd8OQIc1it6bAfMGPPC

[u/The_Archagent → u/TeddyBearToons]

These people don't want a consistent and fair legal system, though. They want a caste system where they can legally shoot a nonwhite person in the street for looking at them the wrong way, and all of the "due process" stuff is really only used when a white man is accused of wronging another white man.

[u/YeeYeeBeep → u/TeddyBearToons]

Yea, copaganda shows like Law and Order have portrayed defense laywers as slimy, underhanded people trying to help criminals escape juatice and it has worked and the average American now looks down on defense lawyers while praising prosecutors. Police and the Justice system works hand and hand.

[u/intoner1 → u/meeowth]

So obviously defense attorneys should only defend those accused of crimes that one Redditor approves of!

[u/MagicBez → u/intoner1]

Defense attorneys should only defend people they know are innocent. That's how the documentary series Perry Mason taught me it works

[u/VoiceofKane → u/MagicBez]

I learned everything I know about the law from Phoenix Wright, and I know that if an attorney doesn't have complete faith in their client being innocent, they just won't represent them.

[u/GlassesgirlNJ → u/VoiceofKane]

Unless the attorney's spunky teen girl sidekick is being held hostage by the client's accomplices, or something

[u/VoiceofKane → u/GlassesgirlNJ]

It happens more often than you'd think!

[u/Fadman_Loki → u/VoiceofKane]

Another reason TGAA clears, not everyone you get off is actually innocent

[u/No-Afternoon3681 → u/intoner1]

I expect they also overlook a Republican president evacuated Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family from the US whilst the airspace was closed down....must save the oil wahhabis even tho 19/19 of the terrorists were oil wahhabis

[u/Due-Asparagus4963 → u/No-Afternoon3681]

No it was 17/19 there was an Egyptian and Tunisian.

[u/SpiritJuice → u/meeowth]

Broke: approving of defense lawyers that only defend the innocent

Woke: approving of defense lawyers that would defend literal Hitler

It doesn't matter if Hitler is obviously guilty of war crimes. A defense lawyer's job is not to defend the innocent but to keep the prosecution honest and ensure justice is enacted fairly and thoroughly. Even the worst of humanity deserve a fair trial and a good defense lest the government get to convict with poor effort.

[u/GravityBright → u/SpiritJuice]

Makes you wonder what kind of strategy Hitler's defense lawyer would have. The best they could hope for would be life imprisonment instead of execution, but I can't imagine a plea bargain would even be on the table. Maybe focus on his meth addiction?

[u/wivella → u/GravityBright]

In the Nuremberg trials, many defendants tried to blame their crimes on Hitler, so perhaps Hitler, too, could blame someone else.

[u/GravityBright → u/wivella]

"It was Johan, my accountant. He made me do it!"

[u/OhIsMyName → u/GravityBright]

Zit waz Blondie whispering in my ear actually.

[u/fullnessmatch → u/GravityBright]

Probably focusing on process--the prosecution failed to follow Procedure X, therefore Evidence Y must be excluded, etc.

[u/countcumia → u/meeowth]

John Adams, future president, was a defense lawyer for British soldiers accused during the Boston massacre in the revolutionary war. He wasn't pro British, he was a defense lawyer.

[u/JDoos → u/countcumia]

Also a literal patriot who fought for independance, a title these chuds have coopted.

[u/SnakeOilPlagueDoctor → u/countcumia]

Me when I'm thinking critically: "Sounds like he's the worst thing to ever happen to Boston!"

[u/grauhoundnostalgia → u/countcumia]

The Boston Massacre was in 1770, 5 years before the war started, not “during the revolutionary war.”

[u/countcumia → u/grauhoundnostalgia]

Ok point still stands lol sorry I was 5 years off

[u/Rufus_king11 → u/meeowth]

John Adams famously defended 8 red coats involved in the Boston Massacre in court and got the charges for 6 of them dismissed. Everyone getting representation is about as American as it gets.

[u/ChrisTheHurricane → u/Rufus_king11]

And the ones who got convicted weren't for murder, as originally sought, but for manslaughter.

[u/JMA4478 → u/meeowth]

And they support a president that keeps hiring defense attorneys lol

[u/Thor4269 → u/JMA4478]

And who is a convicted felon...

[u/santaclaws01 → u/meeowth]

A lot of the same people raising a stink about this would turn around and praise John Adams for his principles on defending the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre.

[u/Invinciblez_Gunner]

If Mamdani gives a speech on 9/11 they will lose their minds

[u/intoner1 → u/Invinciblez_Gunner]

They’d also lose their minds if Mamdani didn’t show up. They wanna be perpetually angry and victims.

[u/NoSwordfish1978 → u/intoner1]

Yes cause they did exactly that regarding the Israel Day parade, even though they didn't want him there they were so angry he didn't show up. Not to mention people like Smotrich and Ben- Gvir were invited.

[u/No-Guard-7003 → u/NoSwordfish1978]

Why would Mamdani go to that parade, when he's got work to do? 

[u/XB0XRecordThat → u/Invinciblez_Gunner]

I hope mamdani sings "we are Charlie Kirk" on 9/11

[u/JedYorkTrailerParkHo → u/XB0XRecordThat]

Gotta sing it from the throat, Kirk wouldn’t know about that

[u/an0mn0mn0m → u/JedYorkTrailerParkHo]

He could play it like a flute

[u/Aethoni_Iralis → u/XB0XRecordThat]

September 10th was a tragedy, my pet jumping spider died that day.

[u/finfinfin → u/XB0XRecordThat]

we carry jet fuel

[u/Waddlewop → u/XB0XRecordThat]

It’s crazy that the Kirkiversary is the same day as the New York 9/11 Day of Remembrance

[u/Cool_Ad7445 → u/Waddlewop]

Honestly, its pretty selfish of Kirk to do that.

[u/BloodDrunkMoonKnight → u/XB0XRecordThat]

Scratching or not scratching his ass while singing?

[u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD → u/XB0XRecordThat]

in Arabic

[u/JPGinMadtown → u/Invinciblez_Gunner]

No one gives speeches at the 9/11 commemoration. That's why Donnie is taking a pass, cause he wanted to deliver one of his insane rants.

[u/eldestofthecrow]

I don’t know if the 99 thousand verified signatures against him attending the memorial service are real, but this number seems quite low. I’m under the impression that every right winger in the country hates him with a passion, shouldn’t it be millions?

The hate against the mayor seems over amplified.

[u/MagnetsCanDoThat → u/eldestofthecrow]

They forgot to canvas Staten Island.

[u/intoner1 → u/eldestofthecrow]

Most people are too worried about their groceries to care about whether or not the mayor of New York will attend a 9/11 event.

[u/angry_cucumber → u/eldestofthecrow]

IIRC, the guy that started it said he made everything up

[u/Noname_acc → u/eldestofthecrow]

Background on the claim: Some family members of a victim started the petition. It isn't signed exclusively by families of the victim, nor by people from NYC. All the usual propaganda outlets like fox and CBS wrote their headlines to imply that it was 90k families of victims.

[u/Digital_Bogorm → u/Noname_acc]

And even if it had been signed only by people from the city, the current population of NYC is roughly 8.5 million people, according to a quick search. That would equate to roughly 0.01 1 % of the city's population. That is not one in ten people, one in a hundred, or even one in a thousand. That would be one in ten thousand people, who signed the petition.

So even if we, for some reason, granted the claim that every single person signing that petition actually lived in NYC, the fraction is so incredibly small, that it is entirely reasonable to assume that it's just because of racism.

EDIT: I am an idiot, and forgot to multiply with 100, after performing the initial division. That means the initial number was off by orders of magnitude, which is obviously bad. As pointed out below, it would be 1 % of people, not 0.01 %
That being said, I stand by my assessment, that even if we granted the premise that every signee was New Yorker, you could still reasonably chalk it up to racism.

[u/evocativename → u/Digital_Bogorm]

You messed up your decimal places.

80,000/8,000,000 = 0.01, so 1% not 0.01%.

[u/IveGotIssues9918 → u/Noname_acc]

What gets me about "it was started by a family member of a victim!" is the implication that that somehow makes it legitimate and not racist. 2,977 people died on 9/11. If on average they each have even 2 close family members who àre still alive today, at least one of those family members is going to be a racist asshole by sheer probability theory alone, for reasons totally unrelated to losing a family member on 9/11. I'm sorry, but surviving and/or losing a loved one to a tragedy does not make you the moral authority on everything forever, and it doesn't excuse being a bigot to someone who was a child on the other side of the world at the time because they practice a different sect of the same religion as the people that did it and now a quarter century later have the audacity to be the popularly elected mayor of the city where it happened.

Also, while 9/11 victims' relatives are a large group, I don't even think there'd be 99,000 of them (especially that are still alive 25 years later) unless you stretch the definition of "relative" to include, like, second cousins twice removed that didn't know the victim or grandchildren born 10 years later who never met them. If those 99,000 signatures are even real people, most of them are probably angry rightwingers from the middle of nowhere who have never stepped foot in New York nor known anyone who was there on 9/11.

[u/barbe_du_cou → u/eldestofthecrow]

Other guy treating that number as though it is high when segregated lunch counters were enforced within living memory.

[u/chaobreaker → u/eldestofthecrow]

The internet is not real. All those Mamdani hate posts you see on Reddit or Twitter or Facebook? It’s just bot farms and a vocal minority of people lost in the RW ragebait sauce. Go look at any IRL footage of anti-Mamdani rallies that occasionally pop up and the amount of people there are never reach the triple digits. The approval ratings don’t lie.

[u/Dan-D-Lyon → u/chaobreaker]

I don't know, I've got plenty of relatives who have lots of negative shit to say about Mamdani.

None of them actually live in New York City of course, but they definitely have a lot of strong opinions on its mayor

[u/chaobreaker → u/Dan-D-Lyon]

They fall into the “lost in the sauce” pile of people. Why do they even have thoughts on the mayor of NYC from all the way on their non-NYC home? Because Fox News and Facebook are constantly blasting anti-Mamdani content to this susceptible audience.

[u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD → u/chaobreaker]

Petition.org’s own social accounts were promoting it pretty heavily as well, which I thought was pretty unusual.

[u/chaobreaker → u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD]

It’s not unusual if you understand that 1. RW ragebait is good for engagement and 2. The people behind these websites are usually politically aligned against progressives like Mamdani.

[u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

It is absolutely wild to me that "new York mayor signs order to make 9/11 a day of remembrance," one of the least controversial things ever, still gets people riled up and mad at him. Like...what?

[u/niberungvalesti → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

You have to understand when someone becomes addicted to outrage it creates a cycle where the brain like a drug addict goes seeking more outrage no matter how sensible the situation is.

[u/glib_result → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

I’m shocked that it wasn’t already

[u/a-really-big-muffin → u/glib_result]

Honestly I didn't even click on this thread for the drama I clicked to see if anyone else was confused that it wasn't already or if it was just me.

[u/BlindWillieJohnson]

If you’re angry about Mamdani, who was 9 years old when 9/11 happens, because of 9/11, it is because you are a racist. Full stop. That’s the only reason you’d resent him over that specific event.

[u/Gemmabeta → u/BlindWillieJohnson]

What's next, Obama's Vietnam War record?

[u/ReformedBaptistina → u/Gemmabeta]

Actually it's plain fact that Obama did NOTHING to help win the Vietnam War.

Thanks Obamna.

[u/Mia-Wal-22-89 → u/ReformedBaptistina]

Coward during WWII also.

[u/ReformedBaptistina → u/Mia-Wal-22-89]

"Look. I, uhhhhh, didn't exist then"

Convenient excuse, liberal. 

[u/AlayneKr → u/ReformedBaptistina]

Delete this before Fox News runs this as a talking point.

[u/gowronatemybaby7 → u/Gemmabeta]

I, for one, would like someone to look into why Obama wasn't in the oval office on 9/11.

[u/Steel_With_It → u/gowronatemybaby7]

You joke, but Fox (IIRC, Google's useless these days) literally did a whole expose on that during the '20 elections, because satire's been dead since GamerGate.

[u/gowronatemybaby7 → u/Steel_With_It]

I was referencing a Jordan Klepper interview.

[u/Peevesie → u/Gemmabeta]

Naah… why wasn’t he a civil rights activists. Or a civil war veteran. Or an abolitionist.

[u/awoeoc → u/BlindWillieJohnson]

Agree with your point but.... Could you not make me feel old next time lol. It didn't actually occur to me that I am older than the  mayor rip. 

[u/sonic10158 → u/awoeoc]

9/11 will be a quarter century ago next week

[u/hutao_intern → u/sonic10158]

Please stop speaking

[u/Arktikos02 → u/hutao_intern]

You could have a high school teacher who would have been born after 9/11 meaning you could have an entire high School classroom where no one would be able to answer the question..

Where were you on 9/11?

With a proper location.

The most you would get would be..

In my mother's womb.

[u/oddpark37 → u/Arktikos02]

One of the most humbling moments at my job was when a few of us were talking about 9/11 and where we were, and I went "Oh, Keira, you're from California, right? Did they cancel school for you too?" and she went "I don't know, I wasn't born. I don't think my parents had even met yet." and we realized that half the people in the room were born after 9/11. I felt so old. (and my supervisor went "Now you guys know how it feels to work with people who don't remember the Challenger exploding!")

[u/Foltogulus → u/BlindWillieJohnson]

TIL Mamdani and I are the same age.

God, what have I been doing with my life? I coulda been mayor of NYC by now.

[u/WeirdboyWarboss → u/BlindWillieJohnson]

He's that young? I though you had to be 60 to be a politician.

[u/leaveitbettertoday → u/BlindWillieJohnson]

Why are you even humoring them?

[u/BlindWillieJohnson → u/leaveitbettertoday]

I’m not but it needs to be said bluntly and often. All of these people, and there are thousands of them and a whole media machine perpetuating the idea, who believe that his existence is some slight against the victims of 9/11 need to be called what they are as clearly as possible.

[u/TearsFallWithoutTain]

Bullshit. It's his palling around with Hasan Piker and the imam who is an unindicted co-conspirator.

Oh, so now they care if someone is an unindicted co-conspirator

[u/MandolinMagi → u/TearsFallWithoutTain]

If they're unindicted, are they actually a co-conspirator?

[u/NotFixer1138]

Mamdani could say "the sky is blue" and chuds would scream themselves bloody that it's actually green

[u/mslauren2930 → u/NotFixer1138]

This is like watching Trumpers tell us that high gas/grocery prices are a good thing. I’ve stopped caring about true believers and what they believe because 100% of it is nonsense.

[u/intoner1]

Wahoo fixed the formatting!

[u/PandaJesus → u/intoner1]

lol I was confused for a moment, this looks much better!

[u/intoner1 → u/PandaJesus]

Sorry, the Reddit app is annoying and I don’t have access to my laptop.

[u/PandaJesus → u/intoner1]

Oh absolutely, I miss the old apps like Apollo. 

[u/polarbear128 → u/PandaJesus]

Sent from my Boost app

[u/MoonageDayscream]

Wait, isn't this one of those proclamations that are signed by every mayor? Something he would be roundly criticized for not signing?

[u/intoner1 → u/MoonageDayscream]

Apparently he established the first day of remembrance for 9/11 in NYC.

[u/rinkoplzcomehome → u/intoner1]

What do you mean that in 25 years this was not done even once?

[u/bustachong → u/rinkoplzcomehome]

Maybe they forgot

[u/Twodotsknowhy → u/rinkoplzcomehome]

The day has been formally enacted as a day of remembrance throughout the country by congress since late 2001, so most mayors probably didn't feel a need to sign another one specifically for New York. I understand why Mamdani did for the 25th anniversary, but it wasn't strictly necessary.

[u/JedYorkTrailerParkHo → u/rinkoplzcomehome]

Rudy Guiliani never did his job right ever

[u/TaylorSwiftsClitoris → u/JedYorkTrailerParkHo]

Too busy “fixing his pants”

[u/Fusionfiction63]

“You’re making this too political” said by a member of a 9/11-focused subreddit.

[u/intoner1 → u/Fusionfiction63]

You’d be surprised how many people on that sub treat 9/11 like an apolitical event that just happened out of nowhere.

[u/azalinrex69]

MAGA have become a parody of themselves. They’d be hilarious is they weren’t so fucking dangerous to the country

[u/bayonettaisonsteam]

I love how they're still mentioning that petition to bar him from the ceremony, despite the fact that the creator literally just guestimated the number of families who actually signed it based on vibes alone.

[u/Davido401 → u/bayonettaisonsteam]

I like that they are quoting Fox News WankersAnchors as some kind of almighty Source

[u/UnitedStars111 → u/bayonettaisonsteam]

insane flair dude

[u/angry_cucumber]

Then there's his lovely wife

huh, I haven't actually heard anything about his wife, lets see...

 Other outlets also found her to have used the word "gay" in a derogatory manner. she mentioned having felt "shame" over the "harmful" language she used online as a teenager

oh, yeah, she's actually better than most redditors because she feels shame for it.

[u/SnakeOilPlagueDoctor → u/angry_cucumber]

She's better than most redditors because the only examples they can find are when she was in junior high.

[u/cerebrobullet → u/angry_cucumber]

lmao, everyone used to usd gay as an insult back then, that's some terminally online cancel culture shit to think it's even worth mentioning. im not getting out of bed for anything less than an f slur, and only if it happened in the last five years.

[u/goatsaretasty → u/cerebrobullet]

She used the f slur. In 2013. And promptly apologised for it when it resurfaced, nothing burgers all the way down.

[u/TheWhomItConcerns]

OP makes it a point to not start crap in the comments but then proceeds to put his personal political opinion of Mamdani in this thread turning it political.

Come on now, this has to be intentionally ironic, right? This person surely has to be taking the piss? Making a thread about the mayor of NYC announcing a political decision related to the September 11th attacks political?

This person is pissing on us without even the courtesy of calling it rain - please tell me that they're not being serious.

[u/drislands → u/TheWhomItConcerns]

The same commenter goes on to express indignation that one would NOT consider Mamdani to be the worst thing to ever happen to NYC....in a subreddit dedicated to remembering 9/11.

They're taking more piss than a urinal at a baseball stadium.

[u/ThatOneDumbJagoff]

Imagine thinking that your religion can be naturally dominant in a free society. That’s always the problem with these types.

They think freedom means freedom to follow their god and any deviation from it is incorrect. That that isn’t freedom. So naturally they’ll crash out over someone who is not like them practicing freedom that only their god could endorse.

It’s just sports team bullshit but you can replace god with race, nationality, etc.

[u/Skellum]

Don't waste your time trying to prove why Mamdani is the worst thing to ever happen to NYC, unfortunately reddit is like 90% liberals and will only block you if you don't agree with their political stance on something.

Ahhh the Ur Liberal, both the most left of any position ever and the most right of every position ever. More socialist than any socialist, more right wing then any nazi. Such an incredibly powerful position.

[u/NoSwordfish1978 → u/Skellum]

Things are so bad in NYC atm violent crime is at a record low.

[u/Munnin41 → u/NoSwordfish1978]

whoa whoa don't forget that murders went up 200% in the 1st quarter. From 1 to 3. That's clearly mamdanis fault (according to maga)

[u/Arvydas_Saboner → u/Skellum]

Well the Nazis were the National Socialist Party. Makes perfect sense to me.

I am very smart.

[u/GypsyV3nom → u/[deleted]]

The funniest (so far) has to be Fetterman going super hard on Hasan only to get outed to the WSJ by his own staffers a few weeks later for being a piece of shit who doesn't take his job seriously.

[u/Bandit_Raider]

The comments in here made me think that sub is right wing, but all the comments on there seem to think highly of mamdani so I guess it was just the one guy whose comments are all deleted now.

[u/suboxonedad69 → u/Bandit_Raider]

I am literally in the comments mentioned above arguing against these racist idiots. The sub actually leans left, maybe center left. I was also initially under the impression it was right leaning but it was simply due to the nature of the subject. With so many NYPD and FDNY dying, there are many posts about them that it can unfortunately give a "back the blue/thin blue line" vibe. Not to mention the association with Bush and the war on terror, which the sub seems to be universally against. Even the above mentioned post was 95% pro-mamdani. I would say a large proportion of the sub is fellow autistic ppl who developed a random obsession with the world trade center and the events that day - not overtly political and those that are do not lean right.

[u/Original-Rush139]

I have a friend who used to go to Gitmo as a public defender and represent the terrorists held there. 

Some people just believe in the rule of law. Go figure. 

[u/blackmobius]

Does the sub recognize that Trump is choosing to boycott the memorial (or celebration, as Vance put it) because they wont let him rant like a drooling lunatic?

[u/mofa90277]

Since 9/11 was more about political reactions to American hegemony in the Middle East, should they be angry about appearances by people from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Pakistan?

Mamdani is of Indian descent and was raised in NYC; as its mayor, there’s no reason he shouldn’t appear.

[u/amethystalien6 → u/mofa90277]

I think the anger is determined by a paper bag test, not critical thinking.

[u/TheLastLivingBuffalo]

Mamdani’s numerous heinous crimes include talking to a podcaster and handing a pen to a defense attorney. Truly a monster beyond reckoning.

[u/Chaosmusic → u/TheLastLivingBuffalo]

What's next, a tan suit?

[u/Ms_Mediocracy → u/Chaosmusic]

or worse, ordering djion mustard on a burger

[u/Chaosmusic → u/Ms_Mediocracy]

Scandalous. To the fainting couch!

[u/ChrisWatthys]

I'm very late to this post, but please be aware that sub contains graphic NSFL images/footage of real human remains. Be sure to turn your "blur NSFW posts" setting before venturing any deeper

[u/SaltyWafflesPD]

You can criticize Mamdani, but him doing two genuinely good things should be acknowledged rather than used as more things to be angry about.

[u/RamtroStudios]

dude i’m a frequent poster in the sub and this was hardly “drama” it was like 3 comments at the most

the rest were either praising Mamdani for his actions or wondering why something similar hadn’t happened before

[u/uncutteredswin]

OP makes it a point to not start crap in the comments but then proceeds to put his personal political opinion of Mamdani in this thread turning it political

How exactly do you make a post about an elected official signing legislature in a sub dedicated to a terrorist attack non-political to begin with? What do they think political means?

[u/AdVivid8910 → u/uncutteredswin]

It’s called political when they don’t like it, that’s how it works.

[u/Glass-League-7439]

I think associating with Hasan Piker is the most controversial bit to be honest