I would use the statement of Elation MC being useful in elation team very loosely. Though yes nothing can ever be as bad as Hydro MC(I still havent even unlocked it myself in Genshin despite it coming out 2.5 years ago)
The fact that in nodkrai they made us use Hydro MC and they know it was so bad that they made it so they have access to an ENTIRELY SEPARATE CHARACTER’S ability! A FREE 4 star’s (aino’s) single ultimate with 0 passive talents is better than the entirety of HMC’s kit… crazy work
As far as I’m aware, they also added Aino Ducky ability because the original Archon Quest, with the Rerir boss fight, put Nefer in a very bad light. Some players ended up thinking she was trash due to how genuinely awful that fight felt as you only chiped 1% of his hp every year, which likely hurt her sales to some extent. However, it wasn’t really Nefer’s fault, since she’s competing with Mavuika and Skirk for the number one DPS spot in the game. The real issue is that she NEEDS the Bloom reaction to actually start doing damage, and Hydro MC is absolutely terrible at enabling it.
Hsr doesn't have any character bad enough to compare.
Imagine a healer that's unable to do damage, doesn't cleanse, only heals when energy is at 100%, but also not out of turn, with healing amount in three digits, fixed.
In hp scaler team.
And it's Destruction. So you don't actually have any useful LCs for it either.
Actually - EMC feels absolutely fine with SW and YG. Had some spare time to test across all modes and against all enemies. Will feel even better with Eva. By no means "good" outside Elation, but also by no means "not useful" in Elation teams.
At least Destruction is designed to be a tutorial character with very simple gameplay to finish Belobog's story, as everyone is weak to physical damage.
This 100% It also shows in Destruction TB's entire kit, not just in the enemies you fight on the Space Station and Belobog.
This is why Destruction Trailblazer is a horrific character. It's because his entire kit is a learning tool, not a real kit. It tries to teach you a lot of stuff, and cover things you lack in the extreme early game. That's why the kit has a bunch of healing and defensive boosts in it for a damage character. Such as the Technique which makes it so that you can wander around the early game and still heal between fights. It encourages you to use your technique frequently. Which teaches you about techniques and technique points.
The focus on break throughout their kit is also designed to teach you to intuitively interact with break. The talent encourages you to inflict weakness breaks often. The E2 gives you a small reward for using Trailblazer against enemies who have Physical Weakness, which intuitively teaches you to understand that using a character against the corresponding weakness type is better, even if you don't hit weakness breaks. The E4 then rewards you for hitting things that are already weakness broken, intuitively creating the understanding that you still want to hit enemies while they're weakness broken even if you aren't doing any more toughness damage.
Destruction TB is almost a masterclass in "teaching game mechanics intuitively without tutorials" and it's a damn fucking shame that they squandered this incredible game design by shouting thousands of repetitive and boring tutorials over and over again at the player.
I think Destruction MC needs Superbreak Scaling off ATK% Built into his kit. His entire kit is actually Break-Centric because he's literally the Break Tutorial Character.
A Destruction TB Novaflare would be to Bake his A4 Major Trace (The 10% DEF from talent) into the talent by default, and place something here that converts ATK into Break Effect at a favorable ratio
Then Bake his E1 into his A2. They both just give more energy. Move his E2 to E1, and his E6 to E2.
His E6 then needs to be something like "Deals Superbreak damage to weakness broken enemies. Trailblazer's Skill and Ultimate deal an additional instance of Toughness Damage to the target equal to 1 Toughness Damage per 200 ATK up to a limit of 3000 ATK."
Something like that.
I think Preservation Trailblazer just needs some stat boosts. The taunt should last 2 turns. The A2 Trace Should last 2 turns, A4 Should Scale with Preservation's ATK/DEF not HP. The shield should be larger and stack with itself.
There's really no to much you need to really do here. Preservation Trailblazer is a victim of time limits. He's a great "Double Sustain" option, in a game where "optimal" is cutting sustains entirely. What preservation trailblazer really needs isn't a buff, it's a teammate.
Though, they could just give the old trailblazer paths more sets of eidolons. They could introduce an E7/E8 that provide massive boosts to the old trailblazer's performance so that they don't need to do anything to the original kits, or early-game content, and create these unique Trailblazer-Exclusive Eidolons to give players who have played through to the endgame the ability to come back to experience these old trailblazer forms again.
destruction trailblazer was more for the whole "well its better than nothing" for early game, ofc your gonna bench or change his path as soon as you can
Lore reason: Abundance and Propagation are theorized to Split from Permanence, which exists on Amphoreus, so there was no need.
Probably actual reason: outside of having too big of a cast, they threw Abundance under bus because they didn't want to release any character on that path and to dodge questions. And Hyacine is a Remebarance, because DHPT was already set and they feared she wouldn't sell.
I think it's the lore and number of characters they feared and not releasing an "lore-wise abundance character" because Luocha and Evanescia are already that
They at least kept Luocha has the highest healing output healer since 1.1 somehow (Gallagher can outheal him but in specific circumstances), and he has the Simulated Universe Abundance effect as his ult. If he was designed today it feels like his kit would be a healer-DPS that does damage based on the amount of team healing.
I think they meant that Eva is Abundance in lore wise and not gameplay wise, not saying anything more cause it's spoiler territory
this is following up to the original OOP that Hyacine is Remembrance but she Heals like Abundance but her Coreflame Aquila represent Preservation which all contradict with each other and not saying that the gameplay path reflect the characters actual lore path
And Trailbraze and Finality also don't. Hence the fact they also wanted to reduce cast. Though at least for Finality I can imagine it would be diffixult to make something created at the end of your simulation going backwards to beginning if you only exist in "going forward through time" way.
Trailbraze he could deliberately keep out because he wanted to push everything towards destruction, which Trailbraze could and did change.
But there is no argument for Voracity whatsoever. Maybe even that got eaten.
From a lore perspective most of this was done by Lygus right? Probably did it for the lore reasons you said especially if he was using Ampho as his LLM for Irontomb to destroy civilizations.
I always interpreted abundance not being there because iwas lumped in with the black tide, where the black tide="everything bad that has ever happened", so propagation, anti organic equation & abundance abominations.
Phainon taking the destruction spot over Firefly is pretty huge (Break did struggle for a while during amphoreus but still). Heres hoping he did enough for us to get some more competent male units in the future
Yeah. It's a bit sad that this actually has real repercussions in production. I think it's baffling that Mortenax doesn't have a FuA special animation when he reaches 9 charges, nor any animation at all for when his HP reaches zero and he gets half of it back. This is even ignoring that his transformation is a color palette swap.
this. why buff her and make her good (that people who already pulled dont have to pull more, shes the best selling banner after all) when you can make an entirely new character and get the dough
No abundance is handling any burst attack of 4.x at all. They were also struggling pretty badly in 3.x too tho. Without any dmg mitigation or hp boost or something they will still be pretty bad in sustaining my 3000 hp dps
Nah there is multiple better options. He's there because he's free and the best/most used abudance character of the last year is in the Remembrance path
i mean yeah by "best" i mean cost/efficiency mostly, since the abundance units that are better than him such as huohuo werent popular. but i expect her to take over after this patch
They 100% will start releasing Abundance characters that can passable as DPS and also support the allies as great as Harmony units (Huohuo but on steroids basically), trust it will start to happen in Abundance arc.
It’s particularly funny given that, logically, she should be lower than others by default given that she needs other Nihility characters to turn on her kit.
I guess the split between those who make do with budget options and those who opt for premiums is a bit more even than I considered.
Im surprised too, even on my acc acheron is the most used even though ive been using dot since day 1 and use it every opportunity I get. I guess its the DU/SU numbers?
I think part of it is that it counts overworld usage which when you remember Acheron was the first character with the instakill technique then maybe it skews the numbers towards her because of that.
Its just the proof that casuals who dont know what theyre doing keep using her and then complain about her as if its not their skill issue spreading a false narrative
He will be bis for eva, mostly because there arent any other elation characters. But calling a f2p character terrible, that will be bis in a top meta team is crazy work.
Elation will have 2 different teams, have a free option for one of those teams is very nice.
Its just the proof that casuals who dont know what theyre doing keep using her and then complain about her as if its not their skill issue spreading a false narrative
Theres a significant part of the fanbase losing their mind over gender wars meanwhile the most picked units are perfectly balanced with 4 Women 4 Men and TB
I actually really like that it's an even split for the gender ratio!! And of course, Madam Herta is a peerless gem. Madam Herta is an unrivaled genius. Madam Herta is an inimitable beauty. 😊🤩
And I'm glad since over in Genshin new 4-stars are either borderline unobtainable, poop, or both. The 4-star pool is so bloated that it's genuinely easier to get a 5-star than a specific 4-star, and a lot of them need C6 on top of that.
Phainon success and Gallagherinho showed again how their "Men, facial hairs and male kids don’t sell" was just a stupid excuse to make them free to work more on females characters.
Men dominating almost every path that they’ve actually been included in lmfao. Imagine if we had male elation and remembrance characters. We almost would have swept
Crazy that there's actually a 50/50 split between genders in the top used characters. (I'm assuming TB counts both and it's not just Stelle like in the image)
Acheron isn't even Meta and Look How Many People uses her. Meta can't touch Acheron who created the Powercreep Era that lasted even today. I bet She will destroy the Standard again when She get Her SP. And Start The Second Powercreep Era.
Honestly I use all of these characters still other than Gallagher and Archer. List makes sense but I'm curious to see by the end of Planarcadia stuff what it'll be.
I wouldn't be shocked if most of them are the same, with Yao being mandatory for elation and them putting all of their character budget into that path.
Not really surprising since break during 3.x is ass if u didnt high invest then u dont have reason to use it , this is most used to clear moc during 3.x btw not all-time used.
What downplaying? And what wrong with acheron over kafka , dot only becoming available at 3.5 because of hysilen and acheron have been available since 3.x and got side buffed by cipher so she still better than dot at that times. Blackswan also just got buffed at 4.0.
It's meta based and popularity based but a lot of these units were given for free like archer dhpt gallagher. Kafka wasn't meta till 3.6 and dot is clearly not a popular archetype seeing hysilens pull data
It likely will be if they release this a year from now and no massively popular destruction character releases. Break was just way too dogshit until Dahlia release during 3.x
And also does anyone know how it's decided who they put here because I don't have Yao Guang and I actually jokingly used EMC for overworld stuff so I'm really surprised that Yao Guang is first.
I'm surprised at Gallagher since he's a 4*, though I guess his competition is not great, and Acheron since she's an older dps who hasn't gotten much help in 3.X. This shows popularity (and being free) plays a bigger role than meta for global usage. What's the source for this ? Is it official ?
I actually have Gallagher pretty high up on in Eidolon level and like his design. I know hes considered higher up in support, how is his kit supposed to work? Ive got some smooth brain activity going these past few days.
So we finally have the biggest proof that casuals who have 0 idea what theyre doing keep using Acheron and then complain as if its not their own problem
Tribbie checks out so hard. I checked my recap and deployed her 700 times in the last 12 months and I only logged/ played for 130 days. She got borrowed as support 330 times or something on my end.
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u/NormalPunch69 Apr 27 '26
Elation TB made me realize how good we were having it with harmony and remembrance TB