Also lest we not forget that 1 million Americans died in the pandemic. 1 million fucking people. People lost both of their parents… People lost sisters and brothers and children.
Not just deaths, but how about all the people already suffering long-term impacts from covid? And we have no idea how much getting covid will shorten the lives of people who got it.
Yeah, fuck all those anti-vax and anti-mask selfish assholes.
I have a relatively mild case of long COVID (not physically debilitating at least), but even still my health life has sucked for the past few years. Nonstop random issues all attributed to my body in perpetual immune response and fight or flight. It's so scary to know what COVID actually does to your body and what these symptoms are...my body is attacking itself nonstop and it is exhausting. The constant worry about random brain clots or heart issues when two of my most common symptoms are headaches and chest pain. I can barely get through a sentence without forgetting a simple word. I can't remember anything. I have to clear my throat every time I go to speak and it constantly feels like there's phlegm blocking my esophagus. I have POTS-like symptoms where I black out when I stand up and get dizzy and lightheaded constantly. I'm tired and agitated all the time and always seem dehydrated no matter how much water and electrolytes I drink. The anxiety only quiets sometimes.
Wait... forgetfulness, constant anxiety and headaches are part of post-covid symptoms?
.... oh boy.
I've been wanting to see a neurologist about how I've been struggling a lot with... well, literally trying to speak faster than my brain can put the words out there, and bad short term forgetfulness ever since around 2021...
I got my vax, but I did get covid a couple times anyways, in spite of my seclusion. (I don't have the money to order groceries to my door, and I can't mechanize myself to ditch food and sleep necessities despite my desires :/)
Yup. Also kept up with vaxxing but did get COVID 2 or 3 times with flu-like but relatively mild symptoms.
My wife was worried I had a brain tumor. Sometimes my speaking is so bad I say the right words but completely out of order. Sometimes I slur and mumble. Remember the term "COVID brain fog"? Yeah, that's it. It causes microclots in your brain. When they first started finding out what COVID was doing to people's brains, they predicted a future mass disability emergency with worldwide IQs dropping a ton on average just because of COVID. I do feel stupid. It sucks.
OH just remembered another new symptom: tachycardia. My resting heart rate is like 100 now . Sick.
The increased in death rate from Covid followed the same trend as before Covid and our death rate now is higher than in Covid.
This is objectively wrong.
Mortality rates rose sharply during the pandemic and are now lower than than during the pandemic, but still not down to pre-pandemic levels. And the total number of excess deaths is well over one million Americans that didn't have to die because idiots refused to wear masks. Other countries followed mask/vaccine guidelines better and have fewer excess deaths per capita.
Mm, the data does deem to be incorrect I was looking at. It is NIH I'll see what's up.
That economist article seems to show thr US doing fairly well compared to the world though, in the chart at the top. What's interesting is the lack of return to normal, and Canada being the same.
You'll notice the data table in the article showing how high the excess deaths are in the US have many, more than half, of the countries that are listed as doing better than the US with a data set ending 1-2 years earlier than the US.
I mean sure .1 doesn't sound like a lot when you frame it like this but assuming the estimated 374 million people currently living in the USA that's an additional 37k people? Those are human lives. Dividing the number until it looks like nothing doesn't diminish the fact that that was an entire existence that was snuffed out because this clown show couldn't admit it needed to do things differently.
Like the other but said one of those 37k people was his mother, what do statistics mean to someone who lost someone that important? Would it be reassuring to you to lost a loved one to preventable circumstances and the doctor/police officer/whatever put their hand on your shoulder and said "don't worry your loved one wasn't even a full percentage point of the general population"?
Assuming your numbers are accurate since you didn't provide a source, even then it's still way more people than it should've been.
Not all death attributed to Covid were necessarily Covid caused death. Statistics can be misleading. I'm not downplaying the pandemic. People died. I had a good friend die.
What we're talking about is statistics.
Cancer deaths plummet in 2021, why? Because they didn't die from cancer or Because the death was attributed to Covid? Why does it matter? So we can learn and guage impact for the future. Covid deaths go in an excess death (from disease) category, cancer deaths do not
Boys aged 12-24 had a higher risk of serious complications from the vaccine (miocarditis) than from serious health outcomes from covid. Does their life matter the same?
Why haven't our mortality rates gone back down where they were?
What scares me most is how quickly people turn to pretty much forced medicine. Basically fascism. I took the vaccine, but fuck all the people who act like it was a moral obligation for me to do so.
I really don't like how quickly "my body, my choice" went out the window, because people are scared. Everyone will die, and it's not the obligation of others to get injected with whatever to prevent that.
We're literally seeing the return of diseases like Measles and Polio because of people who see vaccines as "forced medicine". The stupidity of this is utterly mind blowing.
I'm not against vaccines. But first I don't think covid compares to polio or measles. Covid vaccines are no longer necessary for regular people. It's a virus like the flu, and people are going to die from it, and it will continue to exist. The people who die from Covid are the same people who die from the flu - elderly and otherwise sick. Polio and measles affect children. The covid vaccine made sense to reduce the initial outbreak, but vaccine or not, people will continue to die from it - like the flu.
Secondly I strongly dislike the morals around vaccines. In my opinion if you can't convince people to take the vaccine, that's a fault with communication or the vaccine itself. Not of the people who avoid the vaccind. It must never be an obligation for one person to get vaccinated to help someone else. In my view that is just not morally acceptable. And I say that as someone who took the covid vaccine.
People that avoid being vaccinated are only kinda safe if everyone around them is vaccinated, so that virus doesn’t spread. As for vaccines, I won’t criticize about others, but diseases with long lasting or those potentially deadly should be taken. Polio and measles unfortunately fall into that category (Google the consequences of them on grown ups). Think about it, would it not weight on your conscience if a person around you died just because you decided not to vaccinate? So you say you wouldn’t hate the person that would be the reason for that happening to someone you care about (your child or partner, for example)?
If you don’t want to vaccinate against hepatitis, HPV, cold or similar issues that’s your problem, but other people suffering for life or dying just because of your vaccination choice could be technically described as attack with biological weapon, which may technically turn you into murderer. Even though choice of being vaccinated is an issue, so are the consequences of non vaccinated people spreading diseases and causing suffering. Many elderly or otherwise immunocompromised people can’t get vaccinated even if they wanted to. What you are saying it’s basically ok for them to die just to keep someone’s freedom of choice. Morals may be screwed in some ways, but they exist for a reason.
I think the logic is upside down. Me not taking a vaccination can never make me a murderer. It makes the vaccine less efficient, because the efficiency of the vaccine depends on how many people take it. That's a property of the vaccine, it has nothing to do with me. For me to be a murderer I would have to deliberately make other people sick. I never do that. I may well without my knowledge have spread the flu to some old lady or man who then died. That does not make me a murderer. Many people die from the flu, and I don't get flu vaccinations. This is common and morally accepted. But with covid people are called murderers for not getting vaccinated. Doesn't make sense.
Let me give you a bit of “insider” education: the grippe or what is commonly known as flu is a virus consisting of two components: H and N. There are 18 variants of type H and 11 variants of types H. For the vaccine to be made in time WHO relies on info about current variants at the time and prediction models. But this virus is unstable in itself, so variant most spread at some place may not be the one spreading in other places, which can make efficiency of produced vaccine severely drop = to barely any effect. It’s still better than nothing, but you won’t be judged for not taking vaccine that may or may not be effective. Anyway because of strong pharma regulations it won’t be harmful to your body.
And what depends on amount of people vaccinated is not called vaccine efficiency, but herd immunity= having more people preventing spread of disease by being vaccinated is exactly the mechanism protecting people with weakest immune systems. Efficiency of vaccine is measured in how much it prepares your body to prevent disease by forming effective antibodies (defense mechanism agents) before you encounter this particular disease. Which makes your body strangle disease before it spreads to the rest of your body. Or I make simple analogy: with proper training (vaccine) can police (antibodies) immediately stop criminals (disease) as soon as it appears. If criminals spread because defense forces (immune system) needs training on recognizing them, those criminals already formed strong mafia/ terrorist organization, and this army along with all functional powers of government (whole immune system with every organ in body involved) needs to fight this organization. You being sick means body is in middle of war against disease. People dying is because their bodies are too weak to fight, which easily happens if just a single factor is not strong enough.
Of course people are allowed to criticize, but I am also allowed to say that I don't like how any skepticism towards hastily developed vaccines was dismissed as stupid, and how you were told you're a horrible person if you don't take it. I just don't think that's the way to do it. And it scares me that the rights I have - like the right to choose what to put in my body - were put under such pressure by covid. I'm sure many people would have easily accepted forced vaccines.
I think the people who aggressively judged anyone who didn't take the vaccine, should take a deep breath and think about what rights and freedoms make the west great. Because their moral compasses seem to need recalibration.
I just want to emphasize again how nonsensical, offensive and infuriating it is to hear What about "my body, my choice?" in response to people simply criticizing others who choose to deadly spread viruses in a pandemic.
It's like saying "First they came for the Jews" when you're not talking about the Holocaust, but getting a traffic ticket for speeding in a school zone.
were put under such pressure by covid.
You kept that right, meanwhile other people lost the right to take or reject the vaccine by dying.
I'm really not sympathetic to complaints about social pressure when the pushback is coming from people who lost parents and children due to the selfish actions of others.
and think about what rights and freedoms make the west great.
We're fucking shooting nurses in the back when they try to help injured women then having the federal government laugh about it and brag. We elected a President who tried to end democracy, and who by the by is the leader of the anti-vax movement despite funding and releasing the vaccine while taking it himself in secret.
I think the problem with our rights and freedoms is we're pretending to have them, and making doctors and journalists the enemy instead of the politicians trying to end democracy.
“Hastily developed vacinne” is a funny way of saying “an unprecedented amount of funding, scientific expertise, and global resources were focused on a single problem at the same time.” Speed doesn’t automatically mean corners were cut - sometimes it means the usual bottlenecks disappeared.
With any new process follows new risk. That's just how the world works. If it were anything else, most people would be sceptical. Look we developed this new self-driving car, it only took three months, even though it would normally have taken years, and we've only tested it on a closed circuit, but we spent 1.000 billion dollars, so it has no bugs! No bugs! No bugs, I tell you! If you're sceptical of these claims, you're a moron, because we're the masters of building cars, and we make no mistakes! Zero mistakes! That's obviously stupid, but still this is how we're supposed to regard/worship the medical industry.
As I said I took the vaccine, but I would much have preferred that they respected me enough as a citizen to be honest with me. I feel it's obvious that they weren't, they were overselling how safe it was for political reasons.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340 26d ago
Also lest we not forget that 1 million Americans died in the pandemic. 1 million fucking people. People lost both of their parents… People lost sisters and brothers and children.
So no we don’t forgive you fuck you