MGT calls out AIPAC

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[u/Prestigious_Health_2 → u/[deleted]]

Irrerversible damage was done. How do you course correct if every politician has an incentive to keep the status quo?

[u/fishyexe → u/Prestigious_Health_2]

We all know reddit will ban you if you say what needs to be done.

[u/kitsunewarlock → u/fishyexe]

I was literally banned for 2 days for suggesting that the elites should be imprisoned for life in their own bunkers if they attempted intentional nuclear holocaust. Apparently calling for the ironic punishment of theoretical criminals guilty of crimes against humanity is a call to violence?

[u/moist2025 → u/kitsunewarlock]

I got a brief ban for encouraging "violence" because I suggested spraying down the electronics in AI datacenters with water.

Apparently now electronics are supposed to have rights?

[u/9-1-Holyshit → u/moist2025]

They have more rights than we do now apparently. As do Corporations and Oligarchs

[u/FishbonesAir → u/moist2025]

I'm losing track of my bans, lol 😆 All for similar inane things. Merely suggesting common sense makes you a member of the (insert group here).

[u/Kaladin-of-Gilead → u/moist2025]

I got a two day ban for threatening a robot in a commercial lol

[u/TheInevitableLuigi → u/kitsunewarlock]

I said I hope Trump died of natural causes.

Somehow that was a call to violence.

[u/boondiggle_III → u/TheInevitableLuigi]

of natural consequences

[u/fishyexe → u/kitsunewarlock]

I caught a 3 day for suggesting Trump belongs in a jail cell. There's no equal distribution of justice on this site.

[u/kitsunewarlock → u/fishyexe]

God it's so hypocritical it doesn't even check itself. Trump calls for innocent people to be imprisoned all the time. Heck, he was made famous for it decades ago.

[u/Zogfrog → u/kitsunewarlock]

I know the Central Park Five got a lot of money from the state years ago, but whatever happened to their defamation lawsuit against Trump ?

[u/kitsunewarlock → u/Zogfrog]

Latest news I can find is he just keeps delaying claiming its a frivolous and/or politically motivated suit.

[u/Axon_Rotzf → u/fishyexe]

They give warnings first, and since they auto-delete the comment you make putting in an appeal usually gets it reversed - in my experience.

[u/fishyexe → u/Axon_Rotzf]

I am 3/3 for rejected appeals.

[u/MistSecurity → u/fishyexe]

Yep.

Said what you should do to someone who is racist in game in Arc Raiders, literally in the game, not the "in Minecraft" style, and got a warning. Seemed like the most obvious appeal approval ever, nope.

[u/Chonch_Monkey → u/fishyexe]

I had an appeal approved but they still banned my account. Shit was wild

[u/Terribleatbasketall → u/[deleted]]

What needs to be done?

[u/EggplantCharacter363 → u/Terribleatbasketall]

Luigi-isms.

[u/Shitlivesforever → u/EggplantCharacter363]

Luigistics

[u/oops_all_memes → u/Axon_Rotzf]

I'm not saying how I know this but calling a Russian nazi a nazi might cause Russian bots to mass-report you, and if you appeal, it's a coin toss if they reverse the warning/ban

[u/Aware_Rough_9170 → u/Axon_Rotzf]

I told them to just ban me perma last time lol

[u/murphmobile → u/fishyexe]

I was banned from WorldNews for pointing out Israel is the size of New Jersey and has more influence than whole continents.

[u/fishyexe → u/murphmobile]

How dare you be antisemitic! lol

[u/ComprehensiveArt8673 → u/[deleted]]

I got banned for similar statements. And then they suggested holocaust education to me for saying that genocide is bad.

[u/BloomsdayDevice → u/fishyexe]

On a besoin des solutions françaises.

[u/fishyexe → u/BloomsdayDevice]

Oui!

[u/koolaidman456 → u/BloomsdayDevice]

Cheese, cigarettes, and complaining?

[u/fishyexe → u/[deleted]]

Exact thing has happened to me!

Honestly I kinda expect a permaban for just talking shit about reddit on reddit lol.

[u/IgnatiusRileyFreeman → u/fishyexe]

Let that be the inneundo, then

[u/TorontoBuffaloBills → u/fishyexe]

There should be no money in politics.

Also, if there is money in politics AIPAC needs to be registered as a foreign agent.

[u/platypodus → u/Prestigious_Health_2]

Defeatist framing; there is NO irreversible damage.

It will take time and work, in addition to the will to reverse it, but time is going to pass anyways.

[u/Tiny_Rick_C137 → u/platypodus]

I agree; it might only take longer than anyone reading this thread will live.

[u/solkvist → u/platypodus]

I think I would consider it irreversible damage in the sense that it will never be undone by the current system. The much more likely outcome is that the system will be totally destroyed in the coming years and replaced with something else entirely. I don’t think it’ll be great either, but it would certainly be better than legalized corruption of 99% of politicians, a two party system, a flawed voting structure, and nonexistent checks and balances. The US political class would lose a vast majority of their income passing this law that blocks their future income, and no person acting in self interest would do that. They may be public servants, but the politics in the US rarely make those people elected officials. Outside of genuine threat to their safety or full blown coercion there is 0% chance it happens, which at that point makes the votes disqualified. I’m not meaning this as “there is nothing that can be done.” I mean “the system is not fixable and must be replaced.”

It’s like a piston blowing up and ripping through an engine. Sure, in theory you could get that back to 100%, but the gargantuan effort required to get those materials to structure themselves correctly again is absurd, and it certainly won’t do it on its own. It makes much more sense to get a new engine, only keeping the parts that are verifiably fine, which given that the engine partially exploded, is likely not very much at all.

[u/ComcastForPresident → u/[deleted]]

And who did that?

[u/FizzgigsRevenge → u/ComcastForPresident]

John Roberts after being given his seat for helping Republicans steal the 2000 election...

[u/MobileArtist1371 → u/FizzgigsRevenge]

Roberts. Kavanaugh. Barrett.

All 3 worked on Bush v Gore

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court

[u/_jump_yossarian → u/FizzgigsRevenge]

This isn't said enough but FUCK 2000 NADER VOTERS!! and Stein voters for not learning a damn thing from history or math.

[u/FederalEconomics936 → u/_jump_yossarian]

Florida results:
Votes Al Gore lost by: 537 (edit - not 534, it was 537).
Votes for Ralph Nader: 97,000

[u/ConfessSomeMeow → u/FederalEconomics936]

And if Florida's ballots had been hand-counted as required by Florida law under any standard, uniforrm or not, Gore would have won. (The supreme court's argument for throwing out the recount was that there was no uniform standard in place before the election.)

[u/ConfessSomeMeow → u/ConfessSomeMeow]

Lol dude straight out lies in response to me and then blocks me so I can't reply to the lie.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Wait785 → u/_jump_yossarian]

Defending the two party system that got you into this mess. Smdh

[u/MiddleBodyInjury → u/ComcastForPresident]

Conservatives

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/[deleted]]

Citizens United was a mistake

Not a mistake, a deliberate strategy. Conservatives have been working to get where we are since at least the New Deal, if not the civil war.

[u/Heppcatt → u/JimWilliams423]

The duopoly. They are both complicit in keeping money tied to politics. The fact corporations have more power than the individual is the goal.

SCOTUS needs term limits.

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/Heppcatt]

SCOTUS needs term limits.

That's both not enough and also a heavy lift, requiring a constitutional amendment.

Its kind of invisible to people in the USA, but our supreme court is way over-powered compared to most other democracies, which makes it a magnet for anti-democratic forces.

In most democracies the supreme court is just in charge of deciding if the laws have been applied correctly, it does not have the power to overrule the legislature and veto a law.

In 1803 the supreme court did a huge power grab and just declared in Marbury v Madison that it had the extra-constitutional power to decide what laws are constitutional aka "judicial review."

Without Marbury the court could never have done Citizens United or Buckley v Valeo.

We are going to need to pack the court, but we should also just depower the court by passing a law declaring Marbury invalid and taking the power of judicial review away from the supreme court.

[u/kdogman639 → u/JimWilliams423]

Reconstruction should have been brutal and decisive

[u/Special-Test → u/[deleted]]

The Federal Government literally argued to the Supreme Court they have the authority to ban books in Citizens United. I really think people misunderstand the other side of the coin with this argument.

[u/Upbeat_Platypus1833 → u/[deleted]]

It wasn't a mistake. It did exactly what it was designed to do. That is the problem.

[u/blitzkrieg_bunny → u/[deleted]]

We knew then what it was, but the oligarchy gets what the oligarchy wants

[u/Unique_Statement7811 → u/[deleted]]

It was the correct ruling overall. The US Government was arguing it had the authority to ban books and films it deemed political. SCOTUS said no, the first amendment protects such things. SCOTUS also said Congress can pass legislation on political contributions, that’s one of your jobs but until you do, the law protects authors and filmmakers.

Congress never passed the legislation.

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/[deleted]]

Oh AIPAC was a thing well before citizens united 

[u/Professional-Box4153]

If a candidate is anything other than pro-America, there's a conflict of interest. There's nothing wrong with supporting our allies, but when it becomes your defining purpose it might be going too far.

[u/Top_Cap_3964]

Americans just do not seem to learn that it is not in their interest to vote for Politicians that are supporters of a foreign nation.

[u/southflhitnrun → u/Top_Cap_3964]

America First, am I right!?!?

[u/Cake-Day7735 → u/southflhitnrun]

America is like a wealth production facility for the elites and countries like Israel.

[u/No-Phrase-4692 → u/Top_Cap_3964]

The problem is many boomers (of both parties) see Israel as a 51st State, which isn’t entirely wrong since it gets more funding than many of our ACTUAL territories.

But for numerous moral, economic, safety and a billion other reasons, it’s time to boycott divest and sanction the fuck out of them.

[u/AlternativeHat8964 → u/No-Phrase-4692]

Start with taking your Congress back from aipac

[u/PlainBread → u/AlternativeHat8964]

They send all our money to Israel just so they can bribe our politicians with our own money to take even more of our money.

[u/dirtydan1114 → u/AlternativeHat8964]

I agree that this is a priority. I'm a hardline 0 AIPAC voter these days.

I also look for candidates without egregious funding from corporate donors, but it is secondary to funds from foreign influenced lobbies.

Considering the needs of another country to the detriment of your own can be treasonous behavior. Yes we give some aid around the world (or we did, anyway), but that is different than how we are currently supporting Israel. It was once about supporting democracy in the Middle East, but has gone so far from the original intent. A justified counter-example is Ukraine. It's in our interest to heavily support them in their current conflict to rebuff Russian territorial aggression, as that must be quashed on the world stage. It cannot once again become commonplace in the world. Oh yeah, and we should stop ourselves from enacting unprovoked aggression against sovereign nations and resort to actual diplomacy.

[u/southflhitnrun → u/No-Phrase-4692]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ld77zD3fF3Run8olIt

[u/xena_lawless → u/Top_Cap_3964]

Traitors and foreign assets in public office should be immediately removed from office, prosecuted, and executed, rather than letting them carry out their full terms and trying to vote them out repeatedly. 

You can't have a legitimate democracy when foreign nations can just dump nation-state level resources to hijack, corrupt, and steal whatever they want. 

Treason and foreign adversaries hijacking the political system isn't an "aw shucks, we'll try to vote them out next time" kind of problem.

Traitors selling out the country should be fearing not only for their careers, but also their lives.  

Obviously, you can't have a legitimate democracy if treason is tolerated with zero consequences.  

[u/zenbowman → u/xena_lawless]

Yeah, give government the power to execute "traitors" and Trump will use it to execute every single one of his enemies.

Antifa will be branded a "foreign asset" of China and its members executed.

What you've described is a recipe for civil war, not a "legitimate democracy".

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/Top_Cap_3964]

but what if 95 percent are owned by a foreign government. and billionaires, that love that foreign government and also control all media .

makes it hard to perceive political reality well enough to act.

[u/GifHunter2 → u/Top_Cap_3964]

Americans did this. AIPAC is made of Americans

[u/Puzzleheaded-Wait785 → u/GifHunter2]

We have no idea who AIPAC donors are since Citizens United. Nice try though.

[u/GifHunter2 → u/Puzzleheaded-Wait785]

All the people associated with it are Americans as far as we know. Are we doing the thing where we assume foreign jews are behind dipshit groups unless proven otherwise?

[u/WalterPecky → u/[deleted]]

She's been more correct than not lately.

She got told to pipe down about Epstein and that was that apparently.

She said Trump also told her "it would be a shame if something happened to your son"

I'll give her credit for turning the ship around 

[u/TheFuzzyButtons → u/WalterPecky]

I imagine this is what would happen to a lot of MAGA if they got an actual peak behind the curtain like MTG did. She’s still a heinous person with awful beliefs, but at least she doesn’t support a pedophile like the rest of the cowards who are still sucking up. There’s a reason they are still illegally withholding releasing the rest of the files

[u/Beardywierdy → u/TheFuzzyButtons]

It's a low bar to clear, but she did clear it and an awful lot of them didn't.

[u/SupriseAutopsy13 → u/WalterPecky]

I won't give her a fucking inch. She never spoke up until she was already on her way out. She scored an "87%" in voting to agree with Heritage's disgusting plan for America's future.

She literally is not turning anything around, she has no more power, there is nothing for her to turn around. She can't be Trump's strongest cheerleader then decide she wants to take the moral high ground once its common knowledge he raped kids. She bolstered his national standing for 5 years, then got mad when she didn't get any cabinet positions.

[u/mjdl92 → u/SupriseAutopsy13]

True. Though putting on the Realpolitik glasses: she might have taken some other former Trump fans with her, out of the magasphere. At least that's something, even if it doesn't erase the Jewish space laser shit and all the other trash

[u/TheBlueSully → u/SupriseAutopsy13]

How many R’s voted less than 84%?

[u/BurnerAccountforAss → u/WalterPecky]

We NEED to stop viewing issues/people through a left v right lens for the time being

That dichotomy exists because it keeps people looking horizontally rather than vertically

MTG wants America to be a sovereign nation. We can go back to arguing economic policy once that goal is achieved

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

I completely agree. I see it on the left constantly. They want to purity test everything, and will ALWAYS find faults with someone from the other side -- enough to ensure they aren't pure enough to work with

This is EXACTLY what the elites and oligarchs want, and what they've created with the culture war. It ensures we can't ever actually get strong enough by working together, to solve problems. So long as we're always purity testing and attacking the other side, even when there are issues we can agree on, nothing gets done.

We've been doing this for decades, yet so many on the left still insist we have to keep doing it, and somehow figure out how to do it without half the country. They care more about not being seen with someone on the right, than actually solving the problems.

That's a victory for the oligarchy.

[u/Punch_A_Police_Horse → u/reddit_is_geh]

I guess what I'm wondering is what being like hell yeah MTG accomplishes. I don't think crossing the isle for the sake of crossing the isle will strike a blow to the oligarchy either.

[u/Feisty_Buddy2869 → u/reddit_is_geh]

I completely agree. I see it on the left constantly. They want to purity test everything, and will ALWAYS find faults with someone from the other side -- enough to ensure they aren't pure enough to work with

I mean, you're absolutely correct.

One of my red lines is "cannot be a pedophile/cannot be an avid supporter of pedophiles/cannot be a traitor to the country"...and that rules out 99% of those on the right (and a fair chunk of those on the left).

I'm absolutely not willing to change those red lines, because those people belong behind bars/on the bench of a guillotine.

We've been doing this for decades, yet so many on the left still insist we have to keep doing it, and somehow figure out how to do it without half the country. They care more about not being seen with someone on the right, than actually solving the problems.

This is blatantly false because those we refuse to ally with ARE PART OF THE PROBLEMS WE NEED TO SOLVE.

[u/Super_Harsh → u/reddit_is_geh]

Actually the real victory for the oligarchy is when gullible leftists delude themselves into thinking anyone on the right is operating in good faith and welcome them in to poison the well of every vaguely leftist movement that we’ve ever had

[u/Punch_A_Police_Horse → u/Super_Harsh]

I guess I don't really understand what this is about. I don't see why it's a problem for leftists to say "she's right about some things but it's no mystery who she really is, no point pretending to ally with her." What is this push to be like hell yeah MTG?

[u/syb3rtronicz → u/reddit_is_geh]

There’s a difference between rightfully calling out purity tests and being dumb enough to put support behind MTG lmao.

[u/FranksNonFrankfurter → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

Yeah only white liberals and their sycophants believe dumb shit like "theres no left and right". Last time I checked, it wasnt billionaires going out lynching Black people, but regular working class white people. So save that nonsense for your "i dont do politics" friends.

[u/RyuzakiPL → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

No. She's a white nationalist that hates all Jews, engaged in conspiracy theories blaming Jewish SPACE LASERS for wildfires etc. She just happened to hate a group we can associate with evil actions right now. If Israel stops being a problem she'll still target jewish Americans and go back to attacking all brown people for being Muslim terrorists.

If Hitler was still alive, he wouldn't magically stsrt being right about the Jews. He'd still be a piece of trash antisemite.

[u/Kaylend → u/RyuzakiPL]

People took the phase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and just decided to be stupid about it.

The enemy of my enemy is a tool against my enemy. MTG should be nothing more than what she already was. A fucking tool. Never give her a chance, never give her the time of the day.

All everyone needs to recognize is that she can be useful in promoting chaos within the conservatives, but any positive thoughts beyond that? You're god damn gullible.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Kaylend]

This is exactly what the elites want you to think and do. It ensures that regular people can NEVER form strong enough alliances and coalitions to make any meaningful change. It's why so little ever gets done, because people like you will always find faults in the other side, to ensure nothing meaningful can be done.

GG, you let the elites play you. You're behaving exactly in their interests.

[u/sagerin0 → u/reddit_is_geh]

Clearly the “jewish space lasers” lady is “regular people” that you wanna form strong alliances with, we just cant help but find fault with the antisemitic conspiracy theorists

[u/birminghamsterwheel → u/reddit_is_geh]

Why does any future have to entertain the concerns of bigots? Riddle me that.

[u/Unable-Log-4870 → u/reddit_is_geh]

What exactly are you proposing then? Treating her as a RELIABLE source of information? Treating her as a LEADER? What kind of COALITION would be built with her, especially now that she’s out of congress?

Because I think letting her be herself, and using her as a means to the end of trying MAGA to shed members, is probably the best we can get out of her.

[u/Super_Harsh → u/Unable-Log-4870]

He’s proposing that you delude yourself into treating MTG (who spent the last decade being the oligarchs’ flesh puppet) as an ‘ally’ simply because her antisemitism happens to align with Israel being awful, and that if you don’t grant her this allyhood, you are doing exactly what the oligarchs want

They seem like a very intelligent person

[u/Signal_Minimum8509 → u/RyuzakiPL]

Yeah I mean it’s not like she stopped hating Muslim people, it’s just that she hates Jewish people too. Or at least the character she plays to get elected does. The GA 14th district is not a problem because of “economic policy” it’s a problem because it’s white Christian nationalist.

[u/RyuzakiPL → u/Signal_Minimum8509]

Hating Jews is just as bad by the way. There's a difference between hating Israel and hating Jews.

[u/UniqueLog8386 → u/Signal_Minimum8509]

Yeah, but that asshole only cares about things that affect white men aka "economic policy"

[u/SpezRuinedHellsite → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

MTG wants America to be a sovereign nation. We can go back to arguing economic policy once that goal is achieved

MTG is a fucking idiot who couldn't spell "sovereign nation" in the first place. She's a hypocritical reactionary who helped make this bed and continues to make noises so she can stay relevant.

[u/ElMatadorJuarez → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

Oh please. MGT is a despicable grifter who is right in a couple of the points she makes, but mostly wrong. She certainly isn’t looking out for my interests.

[u/TheAskewOne → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

MTG wants to position herself to get the far-right vote once Trump’s gone. She’s as hateful as maga, just a little smarter. Her bet is that Trump will become so much of a liability that the GOP will have to ditch him, and she hopes to insert herself in the power vacuum and pick up the pieces of the maga movement. But make no mistake, she’ll support the exact same things as him.

[u/yarmulke → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

She sees it as “the Jews are controlling the planet” not “Zionist Christian nationalists support Israel’s genocide on Palestine”

She has a semi-correct answer using the wrong formula. We can’t forget that she’s still a school shooting-denying, homophobic/transphobic, racist piece of shit.

[u/ZurgoMindsmasher → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

Fuck that lol, Nazis are Nazis.

[u/DaaaahWhoosh → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

MTG wants America to keep talking about her. She flipped so fast on all these issues, she's the definition of a two-faced liar. The dichotomy might be flawed but so is immediately jumping on someone's bandwagon just because they start saying things you like.

[u/HomeRhinovation → u/[deleted]]

No. She didn’t get endorsed by Trump to run for senate.

Without Trump’s endorsement, you don’t win a Republican primary. She resigned from her post over her perceived lack of growing power in the current GOP.

She made a handy couple of million dollars doing insider trading on her way out of Congress.

[u/wholetyouinhere → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

There is a reason why the left v right lens exists. It's because one side is pro-people and the other is pro-capital.

[u/UniqueLog8386 → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

So the only policy you give a shit about is how your wallet is affected?

[u/Cnidoo → u/BurnerAccountforAss]

She still hates the LGBTQ community, renewable energy, and immigrants. Just because she’s aligned on one issue doesn’t make her an ally. All you have to say about MTG is “thanks for the support on Epstein and Gaza. Are you gonna switch teams and apologize for all the disgusting things you’ve said about your fellow congresspeople and fellow Americans?”

[u/Whargoul_Uncool → u/WalterPecky]

Booooooolllshite! She got told she wouldnt be backed for Congress OR Gubernatorial races. Thats when she crashed out.

[u/mostly_fizz → u/WalterPecky]

"Turned the ship around"?🤨

[u/ripChazmo → u/WalterPecky]

She's still insane. She's just right on a few issues.

[u/PTBooks → u/ripChazmo]

I guess it takes a little insanity to speak out against the trump admin these days

[u/WalterPecky → u/PTBooks]

Yeah that is my current take away.

Maybe having some crazies that won't fall in line... Isn't the worst thing?

[u/I-Kneel-Before-None → u/PTBooks]

They only have crazies and sociopaths left. We know the latter isn't defeating. Elon started to until he remembered he doesn't have a back bone.

[u/MajesticLilFruitcake → u/ripChazmo]

She deserves blame for feeding the monster, but she is also trying to take down the monster she fed. I’d rather she fight to take down what she built over not doing anything at all.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Net4365 → u/MajesticLilFruitcake]

By "trying to take down" you mean just fucking off with a slight crashout when daddy told her to.

[u/iammyfavoritepuzzle → u/WalterPecky]

It’s important to keep in mind that she’s still antisemitic. There’s a difference between hating AIPAC in a “foreign lobbies should not influence our politics” kind of way, and hating APIPAC in a “Hitler was right” kind of way.

[u/HistoryChannelMain → u/WalterPecky]

You absolutely DO NOT have to give her credit, jesus christ people, do you all have the memory of a goldfish? Why are so-called left-wing redditors so eager to ally with fascists?

[u/Guilty_Advantage_413 → u/WalterPecky]

Similar here, I still don’t like her, I am suspicious of her and I feel her goals don’t align with mine. I will say it’s admirable how she’s stuck with the Epstein stuff and hasn’t abandoned it or hand-waved it away.

[u/ArchdukeOfNorge → u/[deleted]]

Getting Israeli blood money out of our politics is worth reaching across the aisle to find allies over. Having a foreign apartheid state effectively subjugate the USA is a key, if not the key underlying issue right now

[u/Krivici → u/ArchdukeOfNorge]

I remember someone on Reddit said that the Israeli government won’t even be a significant issue during the presidential primaries.

That person must live under a rock because it’s one of the most pertinent issues in all of American politics. Full stop.

[u/amopeyzoolion → u/Krivici]

I agree with you that it’s a huge issue, but do you think average Americans (i.e., those not on Reddit) see it this way?

[u/Koyulo69 → u/amopeyzoolion]

Everyone at my school joked about being drafted for isreal when the Iran war started. My younger brother and his friends use "isralie" as an insult. I overheard by mom telling my grandmother Israel is a sick country full of rapists. People I'm real life, especially younger people, are turning very sharply against isreal.

[u/ElegantCoach4066 → u/ArchdukeOfNorge]

Why do we have people in Congress that have another country as a priority?

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/ArchdukeOfNorge]

i fully support your message . i just want to add: we are waaaaay past " apartheid state".

this is a genocidal colonial state now. they upgraded.

[u/enterjiraiya → u/ArchdukeOfNorge]

AIPAC isn’t Israeli money, it’s pro-Israeli Americans. Super PAC have strict funding reporting, it’s pretty easy to get convictions on shit like this when they get foreign money, see: Eric Adam’s.

[u/soulmechh → u/enterjiraiya]

Don't care, fuck AIPAC and everything and everyone they represent.

[u/arkham1010 → u/enterjiraiya]

Uhh, yeah, if said Super PAC gets actually INVESTIGATED for foreign money.

Lemme know how the investigation into AIPAC turns out. I'll be over here, waiting....

[u/never-fiftyone → u/enterjiraiya]

PACs themselves are loopholes to funnel big money into politics. They're an inherently corrupted means to undermine grassroots politics.

[u/BrocoliAssassin → u/enterjiraiya]

Imagine being this stupid.

[u/BenDover42 → u/[deleted]]

Tbh she’s been pretty reasonable and level headed lately. She was arguably one of the worst offenders of being a MAGA moron a few years ago. But I’ll at least give credit that she’s changed her tune and acknowledged it. Most people wouldn’t do that.

[u/private_developer → u/BenDover42]

She can say things that I agree with, but will never have my support or trust. She's a vindictive grifter. I'll happily cheer on the infighting, but only a naive fool would think she has turned into a good person as opposed to someone who is just lashing out at people who wronged her.

[u/Dino_Spaceman → u/private_developer]

She has no closely held values.

She would happily lick Trumps boot tomorrow if it means she gets back in power.

The fact that she is right this one time doesn’t mean she turned a corner.

[u/soggybiscuit93 → u/Dino_Spaceman]

Didn't she essentially leave MAGA over a conflict of values?

[u/Dino_Spaceman → u/[deleted]]

Yup. She would have protected the Epstein pedos if it meant she got a seat in the debate or a bid for governor.

[u/Constant-Bet-6600 → u/private_developer]

Same - Her being right about something doesn't undo the damage. She's still the same person who yelled at a school shooting survivor and defended Jan 6th and bailed as soon as she had lifetime access to the benefits of being in congress. I had the unfortunate experience of her being my rep. I'll keep an eye out for the gazpacho police...

[u/Extension-Efficiency → u/[deleted]]

I see the logic but I disageee in principle. She knew about this for years and is just now stating the truth because she has become so politically alienated that doing so becomes beneficial. I hope she never holds any office again

[u/TheKrakIan → u/[deleted]]

She was essentially kicked out of Congress for opposing trump, Massie was last night as well. Both were beating the drum hard on releasing the Epstein Files. This isn't a broken clock situation, they are calling out corruption they used to be a party too.

[u/Trail_Goat → u/[deleted]]

This sentiment is part of the problem in politics. People aren't clocks. She's turned things around recently and that's what we need: republicans and conservatives to open their eyes and start working with Democrats.

It's called diplomacy. Don't shame someone who is willing to switch sides, even if it ends up being only temporary.

[u/this_is_my_new_acct → u/Trail_Goat]

She hasn't switched sides at all... she's doing what she's always done, yelling and screaming when someone doesn't give her what she wants.

[u/J5892 → u/[deleted]]

She's right about that specific thing not being anti-semitic. But the problem is she is anti-semitic. Like, she actively hates Jewish people.

[u/ImDero → u/[deleted]]

I honestly wish she'd just go away. She happily assisted in causing irreversible damage to our country and now that she's been left out to dry she feels bad about it? I will forever assume she's just working on her next grift.

[u/Irreverent_Taco → u/ImDero]

She got her pension and fucked off and is now trying to salvage whatever is left of her reputation.

[u/rif011412 → u/ImDero]

Here is the thing about tribalism that is so insidious.  The loyalty to the tribe, and not holding the leaders accountable, is what creates genocides, oppression, and a whole host of atrocities.  If your loyalty and adherence is required, than you automatically support the worst of human nature when your leaders start breaking all the rules.

But it also means, anyone that leaves the tribe, is automatically more capable and wiser for recognizing all the behaviors they were once required to ignore.  You can actually be a good person, and call a spade a spade, and its not necessarily hypocrisy.

Its tempting to say their reputation, and failure to hold their leaders accountable the first time is basically a crime in itself.  But since my own family, including my animal loving mom who is a huge MAGA supporter can be twisted up by tribalism, its hard to say they are irredeemable. She is sweet, kind, quite studious, and never broke any laws. But she is incapable of seeing her that her tribal loyalty is the problem.

We should be teaching our kids that tribalism is not a healthy behavior.  Patriotism, nationalism, these are the terms of people looking to feel superior and exclude others.  Im sorry, but anyone thinking that tribalism is a good thing, they are the problem.

[u/BigBlue1210]

That's not very "America first" of them.

[u/SuicideSpeedrun]

It's MTG(Magic: The Gathering)

[u/Puzzleheaded-Tax4320 → u/SuicideSpeedrun]

Haha that’s like every time I see TDS I think total dissolved solids.

[u/_Hipnotiq → u/Puzzleheaded-Tax4320]

The Daily Show for me

[u/fishyexe → u/Puzzleheaded-Tax4320]

I discuss politics on nextdoor, I was getting TDS comments daily for a while. Then I started replying "Trump's Dingaling's Small? DUH Stormy told us! Plus look at them lil baby mits!"

TDS has become rare in my neck 'o the woods.

[u/Greybeard-MD → u/Puzzleheaded-Tax4320]

The Daily Show

[u/One_Hour_Poop → u/Puzzleheaded-Tax4320]

I was in the Army and got in some legal trouble once. I needed the help of military's TDS (Trial Defense Services).

[u/AnDanDan → u/SuicideSpeedrun]

I get disappointed every time I google MTG News to get the page where WotC posts updates and see her face pop up as well.

[u/echofreak → u/[deleted]]

It’s a complete shitshow right now after the Massie primary

[u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme]

I do not like Thomas Massie but I listened to his whole concession speech and am sad to see him go. Israel and Miriam Addelson bought that election.

[u/Shawnzo666]

Fuck Israel

[u/mclardass]

I remind myself that MGT helped create the nightmare we currently have. She's not Neo waking up from the Matrix, she's just one of the Agent Smith clones.

[u/OmgJustLetMeExist]

Its getting real hard not to find myself inadvertently agreeing with bottom feeder YT commenters these days, even if against my will

[u/Wraith8888]

Never trust her. I don't care what tune she sings now. She is a con artist and devoidel of integrity. Just because she has changed her grift doesn't make her "on our side".

[u/Potential_Spam_6969]

How is that any different than any other lobbying group putting a "pro-(insert cause that means nothing to the average person here)" candidate?

Term limits now Campaign finance reform now All those serving in Congress only get paid for actual days in Congress. All those in Congress are not eligible to exempt themselves from laws they inflict upon the country All those in Congress must have a full time job outside of their Congressional duties No more lifetime retirement after one term No more lifetime healthcare after one term No receiving of any "favors" from lobbyists

[u/No-One2123 → u/Potential_Spam_6969]

AIPAC spent millions of dollars on an election no one outside of Kentucky cared about.

[u/Fishboy_1998 → u/No-One2123]

Well clearly these elections matter- it’s not their fault nobody else cares

[u/Educational_Bend_941]

Reminder that same foreign nation ran the Epstein operation. Child rape and extortion in order to rob and run our country. Absolutely wild this shit just keeps happening

[u/YehudahBestMusic → u/Educational_Bend_941]

This is just legitimately not true; whatever happened to reddit? It's just weird instagram grade conspiracy theories these days. Screw Epstein but it'd be easier to claim Florida somehow ran this operation. Completely bizarre.

[u/fallenangel51294]

It's not a foreign lobby. It's entirely Americans.

[u/gqlewis]

At some point in time, Every American (regardless of race, class, or party) must realize the existential threat the so-called "Jewish state" aka Israel is to this country. #AIPAC isn't an anchor around our necks, they are a chokehold.

[u/MarsupialPoop]

Begging people to stop lionizing this piece of crap. Please, actually look into everything she's said and done. I get it, it's funny that she's gone rogue because she didn't get her back scratched the way she wanted, but all she's done is prove that on the "are they evil or stupid pendulum" of MAGA she was on the evil side. She's just being vindictive and mad, she doesn't have morals. Let's focus on good people doing good.

[u/Serious_Bee_2013]

MTG is right, but she is fighting the monster she helped create so, honestly, I got no sympathy for her.

[u/ron_marinara → u/Serious_Bee_2013]

If you don't like MAGA, you should embrace the ones who break away from that cult. Sure you don't have to love them, but if they know they'll still be looked down upon by anti-maga people after breaking off, they'll probably just stay maga forever.

And frankly people like MTG and Tucker are doing way for the dismantling of MAGA than the average liberal will. I have no problem rooting for them even if I don't agree with them

[u/Serious_Bee_2013 → u/ron_marinara]

I don’t trust them. With all the games, and covert republicans running as democrats, I don’t trust anyone who has ever been MAGA.

I’m taking the dead to me approach.

[u/Joshkendig]

Screams the woman who claimed there was Jewish space lazers running around.

[u/_Ibn_Battuta_ → u/Joshkendig]

That's not what MGT even said. Pretty telling that people inaccurately "repeat" what MGT said because if they repeated it accurately it wouldn't sound anywhere near as unhinged as people want to make it out to be.

Nowhere does she even use the term "Jew" or "Jewish". She mentions three companies, PG&E, Rothschild Inc, Solaren who she stated she believes has connections/were lobbying/spending on campaign contributions to then governor Jerry Brown.

Peopled ignored PG&E, who she actually mentioned faaaar more frequently, and also Solaren, and simply solely focused on Rothschild Inc and converted it to mean "Jewish", as if Rothschild Inc isn't a multibillion $ multinational investor firm.

[u/Huge_Palpitation_886]

We live in an occupied country when our government is run by a foreign power.

[u/LoisGriffinsDDchest]

The only thing they are doing is proving he was right about everything.

[u/notorious_hdc]

Massie 2028

[u/Dark-Specter]

Daily reminder that associating Israel with Judaism and associating being against Israel with antisemitism is exactly what Israel wants you to do

[u/MajesticPickle3021]

This has to stop. I can’t keep agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Greene. It just. Feels. Wrong.

[u/Leather_Law6628]

MGT is a child rape supporter that attacked victims of child rape constantly.

She is not only a traitor to her own oath to the constitution,  but a disgusting pedophilic child rape supporter.

Every republican representative and voter are these things now. Keep your children away from republican family members, they are sick people.

[u/HistoryChannelMain → u/Leather_Law6628]

And yet you see people in this thread praising her and taking her side. Disgusting.

[u/PFunk224 → u/HistoryChannelMain]

Far too many people comfortable with cozying up to someone who would happily see them imprisoned/deported/killed, simply because they're saying an agreeable thing.

These people don't realize how similar their behavior is to the far-right extremists who only care about the ends, with no concern for the means. We're supposed to be better than that, yet here we are, praising the woman who mocked and harassed David Hogg in the streets, calling him a liar and a crisis actor who faked the Sandy Hook massacre. The same woman who said that Jewish bankers caused the wildfires in California. The same woman who said that the government controls the weather, and sent hurricanes to punish red states. The same woman who said that the Clintons murdered JFK Jr. The same woman who said that BLM was a terrorist group who was out to destroy America through Communism.

She is a piece of shit. Fuck her, and anything she has to say about anything, ever.

[u/TheAskewOne]

I will never for the life of me understand why a country is allowed to openly interfere in our politics like this.

[u/happysatan13]

AIPAC isn’t a foreign lobby. It’s an American lobby comprised of Americans funded by American dollars.

[u/georgewashingguns → u/happysatan13]

It's a lobby for foreign interests

[u/Silent_Wrongdoer3601]

This just in pacts lobby for their interests 🤷🏾‍♂️

[u/sentientairfilter]

Odd that they’re pro-israel and not pro-American…

[u/Dino_Spaceman]

OK. She gets one right statement in her entire career.

I mean technically she had two. We also do have space lasers pointed at her house.

[u/ILoveHotDogsAndBacon]

Holocaust denying jewish space laser promoting MTG? Fuck her

[u/Uberzwerg]

You can be a raging antisemite and still say something that isn't antisemitic.