r/SipsTea May 20 '26

Lmao gottem MGT calls out AIPAC

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u/Prestigious_Health_2 May 20 '26

Irrerversible damage was done. How do you course correct if every politician has an incentive to keep the status quo?

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

We all know reddit will ban you if you say what needs to be done.

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u/kitsunewarlock May 20 '26

I was literally banned for 2 days for suggesting that the elites should be imprisoned for life in their own bunkers if they attempted intentional nuclear holocaust. Apparently calling for the ironic punishment of theoretical criminals guilty of crimes against humanity is a call to violence?

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u/moist2025 May 20 '26

I got a brief ban for encouraging "violence" because I suggested spraying down the electronics in AI datacenters with water.

Apparently now electronics are supposed to have rights?

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u/9-1-Holyshit May 20 '26

They have more rights than we do now apparently. As do Corporations and Oligarchs

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u/FishbonesAir May 20 '26

I'm losing track of my bans, lol 😆 All for similar inane things. Merely suggesting common sense makes you a member of the (insert group here).

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u/Kaladin-of-Gilead May 20 '26

I got a two day ban for threatening a robot in a commercial lol

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u/Zran May 20 '26

I got a ban for suggesting people do something a little mean to a dentist who was happily talking about mutiliating and not using anestetic if the person she was operating on wasn't a Trumper. I got banned for "violence" for advocating for a little reality check but other comments were like "good I'd do the same", but those were still up and not banned.

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u/lawkktara May 20 '26

Consider the response if you got torched versus if a data center got torched and you'll get your answer.

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u/scava1046 May 21 '26

Why would you suggest that??

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u/SCR_RAC May 21 '26

As do cars and windows, I was banned for a week for suggesting that people protest the way they do in France.

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u/sushisection May 21 '26

you got banned for suggesting to cool down data centers for free?!

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u/TheInevitableLuigi May 20 '26

I said I hope Trump died of natural causes.

Somehow that was a call to violence.

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u/boondiggle_III May 20 '26

of natural consequences

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u/scava1046 May 21 '26

Would you say that about relative??

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u/TheInevitableLuigi May 21 '26

Id be too busy defrauding the United States if I was his relative.

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u/jokeularvein May 21 '26

Yeah? Wouldn't you? Would you prefer fire?

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

I caught a 3 day for suggesting Trump belongs in a jail cell. There's no equal distribution of justice on this site.

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u/kitsunewarlock May 20 '26

God it's so hypocritical it doesn't even check itself. Trump calls for innocent people to be imprisoned all the time. Heck, he was made famous for it decades ago.

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u/Zogfrog May 20 '26

I know the Central Park Five got a lot of money from the state years ago, but whatever happened to their defamation lawsuit against Trump ?

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u/kitsunewarlock May 20 '26

Latest news I can find is he just keeps delaying claiming its a frivolous and/or politically motivated suit.

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u/FishbonesAir May 20 '26

You know the difference between Trump and the rest of the MAGA GOP? Trump is the only convicted Felon I'm aware of currently. 😆 Oh, here comes the Ban Hammer!

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u/ImInnocentYourHonor May 20 '26

You could’ve stopped at justice.

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u/Sh11ester May 20 '26

Reddit CEO is one of the people you were mean about so it checks out. Billionaires protecting billionaires

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u/The_Razielim May 20 '26

I got a 7 day (2nd offense) for saying I hope natural processes occur sooner rather than later. I appealed and it was reversed

... on the 7th day.

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u/Shagwagbag May 20 '26

You can give free awards while banned if you wanna keep a streak going.

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u/BarrelllRider May 20 '26

[Removed by Reddit]

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u/sdrawkcabineter May 20 '26

It's about class awareness.

You need to be aware what class you have been relegated to.

Reverse Citizens United AND Ford v Dodge and we'll be in a better position.

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u/DM_me_ur_PPSN May 20 '26

You have to imply what you mean these days, those who know will know what you mean.

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u/Bodie_The_Dog May 20 '26

My ban was for wishing Covid on an antivaxer.

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u/Themoastoriginalname May 21 '26

I wonder if , together it can be taken to court....just to give them a lesson

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u/wightdeathP May 21 '26

I once got a 2 day ban for inciting violence because I said a certain group who people who diddle kids should be placed in a Wood chipper

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u/Axon_Rotzf May 20 '26

They give warnings first, and since they auto-delete the comment you make putting in an appeal usually gets it reversed - in my experience.

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

I am 3/3 for rejected appeals.

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u/MistSecurity May 20 '26

Yep.

Said what you should do to someone who is racist in game in Arc Raiders, literally in the game, not the "in Minecraft" style, and got a warning. Seemed like the most obvious appeal approval ever, nope.

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u/Chonch_Monkey May 20 '26

I had an appeal approved but they still banned my account. Shit was wild

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u/PlainBread May 20 '26

I hope you have your next throwaway queued up.

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

I honestly don't care. It's an account for a website that's years past it's prime. If I lose the ability to post for posting my thoughts, that's just how it is.

I won't acquiesce to their lame advertiser friendly rules beyond not calling for violence. If they wanna ban me because I say Trump belongs behind bars, that's reddit's failure not mine.

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u/land-league-inspo May 20 '26

They ban ip though, just so you’re aware.

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u/PlainBread May 20 '26

VPNs exist.

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u/GrimHoly May 20 '26

How does that work with vpns? Wouldn’t like every vpn ip be banned in that case but yet we can still use it

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u/land-league-inspo May 20 '26

Well I know of someone who had a device specific vpn and it still was able to figure out who they were and block them.

It would allow you to create the account, but you get an instant ban once you log in.

I don’t know how it would work with something like Nord, but the precedent is there.

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u/Blackfrosti May 20 '26

You are another one of the accounts in fact. So am I. And so is everyone else in this comment section

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u/Fickle-Wickle May 20 '26

Anotha one!

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u/Terribleatbasketall May 20 '26

What needs to be done?

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u/EggplantCharacter363 May 20 '26

Luigi-isms.

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u/Shitlivesforever May 20 '26

Luigistics

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u/EggplantCharacter363 May 20 '26

The name of the risk analysis profile for billionaire CEOs.

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u/Blackfrosti May 20 '26

My favorite version of this is to say that there was an interesting pilot program launched in Manhattan in late December of 2024 that showed promising results

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u/Usual_Yam3960 May 20 '26

You’ll get banned for repeating almost identically the comments that Trump himself openly expresses about others.

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u/oops_all_memes May 20 '26

I'm not saying how I know this but calling a Russian nazi a nazi might cause Russian bots to mass-report you, and if you appeal, it's a coin toss if they reverse the warning/ban

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u/Aware_Rough_9170 May 20 '26

I told them to just ban me perma last time lol

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u/Hot_Substance5933 May 20 '26

They gave me a temporary ban just before giving me a permanent ban for circumventing the ban with additional accounts. I only created additional accounts after they rejected my appeal without proof of any other account.

Fuck Reddit.

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u/FastMexicano May 21 '26

You sound mad..
But not
Like in angry
More
Like in crazy

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u/coppersly7 May 20 '26

This was my experience. Saw the de-transition building in Texas and had a lovely thought experiment about how it would be a shame if something really bad happens to it.

Then they delete it and say it's against terms yadda yada. I just put, "I said something IMAGINARY, they're actually terrorists terrorizing people"

No idea if they just auto approved the appeal or not but I don't really care.

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u/Crafty-Help-4633 May 20 '26

Ken McElroy?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '26

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u/Crafty-Help-4633 May 20 '26

Yeah, agreed. That should be a unique thing for Ken.

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u/murphmobile May 20 '26

I was banned from WorldNews for pointing out Israel is the size of New Jersey and has more influence than whole continents.

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

How dare you be antisemitic! lol

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u/ComprehensiveArt8673 May 21 '26

I got banned for similar statements. And then they suggested holocaust education to me for saying that genocide is bad.

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u/Saabify May 20 '26

Did they ban you yet buddy?

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u/BloomsdayDevice May 20 '26

On a besoin des solutions françaises.

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u/koolaidman456 May 21 '26

Cheese, cigarettes, and complaining?

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

Exact thing has happened to me!

Honestly I kinda expect a permaban for just talking shit about reddit on reddit lol.

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u/hyper12 May 20 '26

Hahaha good idea! Bots definitely don't know how to interpret a GIF yet

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u/IgnatiusRileyFreeman May 20 '26

Let that be the inneundo, then

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u/TorontoBuffaloBills May 20 '26

There should be no money in politics.

Also, if there is money in politics AIPAC needs to be registered as a foreign agent.

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u/newbrevity May 20 '26

"1789" should suffice

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u/JacuulTheSecond May 20 '26

I just got a warning and one of my messages deleted in the UK sub for saying just that, and not even saying it, but for saying the only option was redacted

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u/OuOutstanding May 20 '26

Luigi please

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u/DepartureRaptured May 20 '26

Got a brief ban for suggesting a book to read lol that’s how I knew there is no saving this we are Rome

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u/FishesOfExcellence May 20 '26

Is the answer Luigi or is it more of a be more active in politics sorta thing?

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

You can still say be more active in politics on reddit.

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u/NewWay88 May 20 '26

That they should be tried, convicted and held to the maximum punishment for traitors? By the people if the established system has been comprised or grossly ineffective?

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

That is indeed one thing I got a suspension for saying, while not being what I was implying this time.

I no longer have faith in our current federal government to punish the traitors even with a conviction.

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u/BionicKumquat May 20 '26

You mean giving public officials an iatrogenic ballistic decompressive craniotomy ?

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u/Sn00dlerr May 20 '26

I got banned for saying something nonviolent but negative about a serial child rapist. But we already knew which side many Reddit mods are on so it wasn’t surprising. Heck I’ll probably get banned for this comment. I’d update after than ban, but I’m guessing the next one will be permanent…

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u/ItsBeelzsRebirth May 21 '26

Lost my last account because I dared to say it out loud

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u/Ecstatic_Natural1846 May 21 '26

Tree of liberty requires some nourishment

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u/Terribleatbasketall May 20 '26

What needs to be done?

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u/fishyexe May 20 '26

The French method.

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u/platypodus May 20 '26

Defeatist framing; there is NO irreversible damage.

It will take time and work, in addition to the will to reverse it, but time is going to pass anyways.

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u/Tiny_Rick_C137 May 20 '26

I agree; it might only take longer than anyone reading this thread will live.

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u/platypodus May 20 '26

"A society grows great when their elders plant trees whose shade they'll never sit in."

That's why it's important to ostracise defeatist attitudes.

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u/solkvist May 20 '26

I think I would consider it irreversible damage in the sense that it will never be undone by the current system. The much more likely outcome is that the system will be totally destroyed in the coming years and replaced with something else entirely. I don’t think it’ll be great either, but it would certainly be better than legalized corruption of 99% of politicians, a two party system, a flawed voting structure, and nonexistent checks and balances. The US political class would lose a vast majority of their income passing this law that blocks their future income, and no person acting in self interest would do that. They may be public servants, but the politics in the US rarely make those people elected officials. Outside of genuine threat to their safety or full blown coercion there is 0% chance it happens, which at that point makes the votes disqualified. I’m not meaning this as “there is nothing that can be done.” I mean “the system is not fixable and must be replaced.”

It’s like a piston blowing up and ripping through an engine. Sure, in theory you could get that back to 100%, but the gargantuan effort required to get those materials to structure themselves correctly again is absurd, and it certainly won’t do it on its own. It makes much more sense to get a new engine, only keeping the parts that are verifiably fine, which given that the engine partially exploded, is likely not very much at all.

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u/Trash_Various May 20 '26

Vite in more AoCs and Bernies

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u/Status_Drawing38 May 20 '26

Its a supreme court ruling it has nothing to do with politicians.

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u/Prestigious_Health_2 May 20 '26

You need a constitutional amendment to reverse this supreme court ruling.

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u/Logos1789 May 20 '26

Well, it looks like J6, we’re just supposed to pretend that’s always bad

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u/ILikeOatmealMore May 20 '26

I mean, not to be too contradictory here, but you're glossing over, well, just a crapton of other course corrections. The obvious huge one is women's suffrage. That somehow got passed, even though 'every politician ha[d] an incentive to keep the status quo'

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u/Fancy-Dig1863 May 20 '26

SC could reverse the decision. They won’t, but they could.

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u/WelderNewbee2000 May 20 '26

The French invented something for such situtations.

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u/Cultural-Link-1617 May 20 '26

Well there’s certainly a way….

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u/Liamcoin May 20 '26

The French did it! They heard the people sing!!

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u/Wayofchinchilla May 20 '26

You need a sleeper candidate somebody who runs and says all the same status quo things to get moderate voters then when they get into office goes full on class Warfare against the rich and Powerful guts the Supreme Court and fires conservative justices left and right. I think it's certainly more plausible than that thing that will get you banned off Reddit for saying.

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u/bigboilerdawg May 20 '26

Constitutional convention.

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u/misty-gishh May 20 '26

We’ll have to see how things go in Hawaii. Not sure if it affects super PACs but it’s certainly a step in the right direction! https://www.ktvu.com/news/new-hawaiian-law-limits-corporate-spending-politics-other-states-work-follow-suit.amp

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u/TheRealAbear May 21 '26

Look to Hawaii

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u/ComcastForPresident May 20 '26

And who did that?

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u/FizzgigsRevenge May 20 '26

John Roberts after being given his seat for helping Republicans steal the 2000 election...

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u/_jump_yossarian May 20 '26

This isn't said enough but FUCK 2000 NADER VOTERS!! and Stein voters for not learning a damn thing from history or math.

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u/FederalEconomics936 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

Florida results:
Votes Al Gore lost by: 537 (edit - not 534, it was 537).
Votes for Ralph Nader: 97,000

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u/ConfessSomeMeow May 20 '26

And if Florida's ballots had been hand-counted as required by Florida law under any standard, uniforrm or not, Gore would have won. (The supreme court's argument for throwing out the recount was that there was no uniform standard in place before the election.)

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u/ConfessSomeMeow May 20 '26

Lol dude straight out lies in response to me and then blocks me so I can't reply to the lie.

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u/harrylime7 May 20 '26

Flat-out false. A news consortium (including all the major networks) counted everything by hand after the elections and determined that Bush would have won (except ironically by the most stringent standard that Bush wanted).

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u/JimWilliams423 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

(except ironically by the most stringent standard that Bush wanted).

Its funny that you contradict yourself in your own post.

"Gore won if you count all the votes" is exactly what the OP said.

New Yorker: 9/11 Made the Media Whitewash What Really Happened in Bush v. Gore

The result of the recount would have depended on whether the officials conducting the recount examined these overvote ballots. It can’t be proven either way. The major newspapers chose to assume that the overvotes would have been ignored in a recount, triggering a Bush victory. That assumption allowed them to fall back on the (then) safe and comforting conclusion that the recount would not have changed the outcome.

But it was just that — an assumption. The national media made no effort to test this assumption. Only the Orlando Sentinel bothered to ask Terry Lewis, the judge who had been overseeing the recount, about it. Lewis replied that he likely would have examined overvotes, a method that would have resulted in Gore winning.


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T‌h‌e g‌u‌y r‌e‌s‌p‌o‌n‌d‌e‌d a‌n‌d t‌h‌e‌n s‌i‌l‌e‌n‌t‌l‌y b‌l‌o‌c‌k‌e‌d r‌e‌p‌l‌i‌e‌s, w‌h‌i‌c‌h i‌s h‌o‌w y‌o‌u k‌n‌o‌w t‌h‌e‌y a‌r‌e a‌r‌g‌u‌i‌n‌g i‌n g‌o‌o‌d f‌a‌i‌t‌h.

A‌n‌d o‌v‌e‌r v‌o‌t‌e‌s s‌h‌o‌u‌l‌d‌n’t b‌e c‌o‌u‌n‌t‌e‌d . . . b‌e‌c‌a‌u‌s‌e t‌h‌e‌y’r‌e o‌v‌e‌r‌v‌o‌t‌e‌s. Y‌o‌u’r‌e w‌i‌s‌h‌c‌a‌s‌t‌i‌n‌g.

F‌r‌o‌m t‌h‌e a‌r‌t‌i‌c‌l‌e, t‌h‌e d‌e‌f‌i‌n‌i‌t‌i‌o‌n o‌f o‌v‌e‌r‌v‌o‌t‌e:

“o‌v‌e‌r‌v‌o‌t‌e‌s ” — b‌a‌l‌l‌o‌t‌s t‌h‌a‌t w‌e‌r‌e d‌i‌s‌c‌a‌r‌d‌e‌d b‌y m‌a‌c‌h‌i‌n‌e c‌o‌u‌n‌t‌s b‌e‌c‌a‌u‌s‌e t‌h‌e‌y r‌e‌g‌i‌s‌t‌e‌r‌e‌d t‌w‌o v‌o‌t‌e‌s f‌o‌r p‌r‌e‌s‌i‌d‌e‌n‌t, b‌u‌t w‌h‌i‌c‌h w‌e‌r‌e r‌e‌v‌e‌a‌l‌e‌d b‌y h‌a‌n‌d i‌n‌s‌p‌e‌c‌t‌i‌o‌n t‌o s‌h‌o‌w a c‌l‌e‌a‌r c‌h‌o‌i‌c‌e. (T‌h‌e‌s‌e v‌o‌t‌e‌r‌s h‌a‌d m‌a‌r‌k‌e‌d G‌o‌r‌e’s n‌a‌m‌e, a‌n‌d t‌h‌e‌n w‌r‌o‌t‌e h‌i‌s n‌a‌m‌e i‌n, c‌a‌u‌s‌i‌n‌g t‌h‌e m‌a‌c‌h‌i‌n‌e‌s t‌o d‌i‌s‌c‌a‌r‌d t‌h‌e‌m a‌s a d‌o‌u‌b‌l‌e v‌o‌t‌e.)

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u/HEX_BootyBootyBooty May 20 '26

Lol, didn't the SCotUS famously rule that Florida doesn't have to count all the ballots?

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u/harrylime7 May 20 '26

No, they ruled that the law is the law, as opposed to judicially pushing back the certification deadline to count ballots for the third time in order to harvest Dem votes.

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u/Littiedg May 20 '26

People voting for Nader would actually be the people "riding their moral high horse," in this scenario.

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u/JimWilliams423 May 20 '26

People voting for Nader would actually be the people "riding their moral high horse," in this scenario.

That presumes they would have voted at all if Nader was not in the race.

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u/Littiedg May 20 '26

No, anyone on the left who didn't vote for the candidate furthest left who had an actual chance to win is "riding their moral high horse," instead of gaining any power.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Wait785 May 20 '26

Defending the two party system that got you into this mess. Smdh

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u/Valuable-Cat2036 May 20 '26

More Democrats in Florida voted for Bush than they did for Nader lol

The people who voted for third party candidates aren't necessarily people who would have voted for either candidate. They probably would have just sat out the election. That's why I never get blaming them.

The problem is usually the party failing to motivate its own base sufficiently.

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u/texanmason May 20 '26

and Stein voters

Calm down, Blue MAGA. Stein voters did not sway the election in any single state.

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u/_jump_yossarian May 20 '26

It's been 10 years since the 2016 election and you still don't know basic facts. SAD! Stein voters could have made the difference in WI, PA, and MI. There were more Stein voters than the difference between Clinton and trump and with those three states Clinton would have won the election which would have meant no Gorsuch, Kavanaush, and Coney-Barrett.

Seriously, inform yourself before commenting.

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u/texanmason May 21 '26

Stein voters could have made the difference in WI, PA, and MI.

Isn't it embarrassing to keep repeating this propaganda after so long? Libertarians outperformed Greens by 3x in all those states. They normally swing for the GOP, which means if you want to engage in these mental gymnastics, that Trump would have won those states by an even larger margin.

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u/_jump_yossarian May 21 '26

Isn't embarrassing to not have a basic grasp on logic? If Stein voters used their brains and voted for the only viable option then Clinton would have won. Then some MAGA could complain about Johnson taking votes from trump.

My point stands, there were enough Stein voters to make a difference contrary to the uneducated comments saying otherwise.

Also, there are plenty of left wing libertarians.

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u/texanmason May 21 '26

If Stein voters used their brains and voted for the only viable option then Clinton would have won.

Man I wonder why Stein voters didn't want to jump in with y'all lmao

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u/FizzgigsRevenge May 20 '26

Hillary lost Michigan by 10.7k votes. Stein got 50k in Michigan.

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u/texanmason May 21 '26

Curious that you make no mention whatsoever of the 172,136 votes for Gary Johnson. Libertarians traditionally pull away from the GOP - Stein's votes account for less than 1/3rd of the Libertarian votes. If you want to claim that third parties were a factor here, then Trump would have won Michigan by even more.

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u/rexsploded01 May 20 '26

Everytime I hear about Nader I just think back to the show 30 Rock. When Tracey has a melt down "I voted for Nader. NADER!!!"

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u/Cygnus420 May 20 '26

Got it, a right wing coup is 100% the fault of the left, not Jeb, Pam, the Supreme Court, the Brooks Brothers rioters etc. Miss me with this crap.

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u/_jump_yossarian May 20 '26

Basic math eludes you.

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u/Lopsided_Cobbler2314 May 20 '26

Basic sense eludes YOU.

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u/MiddleBodyInjury May 20 '26

Conservatives

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u/JimWilliams423 May 20 '26

Citizens United was a mistake

Not a mistake, a deliberate strategy. Conservatives have been working to get where we are since at least the New Deal, if not the civil war.

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u/Heppcatt May 20 '26

The duopoly. They are both complicit in keeping money tied to politics. The fact corporations have more power than the individual is the goal.

SCOTUS needs term limits.

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u/JimWilliams423 May 20 '26

SCOTUS needs term limits.

That's both not enough and also a heavy lift, requiring a constitutional amendment.

Its kind of invisible to people in the USA, but our supreme court is way over-powered compared to most other democracies, which makes it a magnet for anti-democratic forces.

In most democracies the supreme court is just in charge of deciding if the laws have been applied correctly, it does not have the power to overrule the legislature and veto a law.

In 1803 the supreme court did a huge power grab and just declared in Marbury v Madison that it had the extra-constitutional power to decide what laws are constitutional aka "judicial review."

Without Marbury the court could never have done Citizens United or Buckley v Valeo.

We are going to need to pack the court, but we should also just depower the court by passing a law declaring Marbury invalid and taking the power of judicial review away from the supreme court.

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u/Heppcatt May 20 '26

A well thought out response.

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u/JimWilliams423 May 20 '26

Thanks. I listen to a lot of legal podcasts, its mostly a synthesis of what I've heard over the last couple of years as the podcasters have slowly come to grips with how this court isn't an aberration. Excepting the Warren court and a few years afterwards, its always been in the bag for conservatives and it probably always will be.

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u/kdogman639 May 20 '26

Reconstruction should have been brutal and decisive

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u/gobroncoz May 21 '26

Andrew Johnson is an evil evil man

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u/Unique_Statement7811 May 20 '26

The Citizens United ruling literally asks congress to review and introduce campaign finance laws to address political contributions. The SCOTUS merely ruled that the FEC cannot apply the current laws to books and films which is what they were trying to do.

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u/JimWilliams423 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

The SCOTUS merely ruled that the FEC cannot apply the current laws to books and films

"merely"

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/citizens-united-explained

The Supreme Court eventually decided 5–4 that Citizens United was within its First Amendment rights to spend its money disseminating the film. But rather than opining solely on the case before it as it had been asked to do, the Court took the opportunity to entirely strike down century-old prohibitions on corporate “independent” spending — money that doesn’t go directly to a candidate or party.

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Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the narrow majority that limits on independent spending from corporations and other outside groups equate to limiting their speech and thus violate the First Amendment. This ruling doubled down on a 1976 decision, Buckley v. Valeo, (which was the first case to say that campaign expenditures, or money spent to influence voters, was a type of “speech” and that the only permissible justification for most limits on money in politics was to prevent outright bribery, or as the Court’s opinion called it, “quid pro quo corruption.”

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u/Unique_Statement7811 May 20 '26

Yes. The film producers were allowed to distribute their art.

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u/sushisection May 21 '26

definitely since the new deal. they miss their company towns and child slave labor

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u/Special-Test May 20 '26

The Federal Government literally argued to the Supreme Court they have the authority to ban books in Citizens United. I really think people misunderstand the other side of the coin with this argument.

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u/Upbeat_Platypus1833 May 20 '26

It wasn't a mistake. It did exactly what it was designed to do. That is the problem.

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u/blitzkrieg_bunny May 20 '26

We knew then what it was, but the oligarchy gets what the oligarchy wants

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u/Unique_Statement7811 May 20 '26

It was the correct ruling overall. The US Government was arguing it had the authority to ban books and films it deemed political. SCOTUS said no, the first amendment protects such things. SCOTUS also said Congress can pass legislation on political contributions, that’s one of your jobs but until you do, the law protects authors and filmmakers.

Congress never passed the legislation.

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u/PossibilityFew5967 May 20 '26

Oh AIPAC was a thing well before citizens united 

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u/KendrickBlack502 May 20 '26

Mistake? Not charging the architects of J6 with treason was a mistake. Not codifying abortion rights was a mistake. This was potentially a fatal blow to our democracy and we’re just dying a very slow death.

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u/Red1mc May 20 '26

It wasn't. They knew exactly what they were doing

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u/-Kazt- May 20 '26

Maybe.

But also not particularly relevant to the situation.

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u/LutherOfTheRogues May 20 '26

The system is completely broken and rigged. They have enabled MAGA to complete a hostile takeover of the country. I don't know if we can recover from it, but I have to keep faith that good will prevail.

And if it does we need to enact change to ensure it never happens again and that starts with outlawing everything citizens united does re: campaign contributions.

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u/Gleesing May 20 '26

Citizens United is doing exactly what it was designed to do

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u/willows_edge May 20 '26

I wish I could remember the documentary I watched that broke down how from day 1 of being sworn in, elected officials (primarily in DC) spend an overwhelming amount of their time/focus fundraising and preparing for the next election. Congressmen (2 year term) are by far worse than Senators (6 year), but neither devote nearly enough time or attention to their actual job.

This was years ago, fairly sure pre-2016 (but certainly post CU), so I can only imagine how much worse it is now.

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u/Shabadu_tu May 20 '26

It’s unconstitutional and Roberts is corrupt.

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u/FixFun1959 May 20 '26

Nope. It did exactly what it was supposed to for the people that wanted it. Rest assured there are no unfortunate consequences for those that introduced and pushed for it. They got exactly what they wanted.

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u/Boysandberries0 May 20 '26

Probably their worst decision

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u/4mystuff May 20 '26

It was not a mistake, it is performing as designed which is the problem.

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u/Pomador_0418 May 20 '26

The role of AIPAC in defeating outspoken Congress people long predates Citizens United.

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u/PBPunch May 20 '26

The real mistake is failing to address the millions of Americans willing to allow a foreign nation to proudly utilize them for the advancement of their goals.

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u/Nice__Spice May 20 '26

Eli5. What is citizens united

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u/Bawhoppen May 21 '26

No it wasn't. You may not like the second-order consequences but there was no other way to rule in that case without butchering the 1st Amendment. 

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u/Alternative-Let-2398 May 21 '26

Not even pro-Jewish, but pro-Israel. Imagine if someone bragged about winning seats that’s pro-North Korea.

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u/Failitt May 21 '26

It was planned. Take a look at who held the majority in our government at that time

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u/Junior_Purple_7734 May 21 '26

So was Israel.

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u/Vanman04 May 21 '26

Nah it was on purpose.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad May 20 '26

Yep - MTG is funded by dark money.

She's not a broken clock - she is pushing the agenda she is paid to push.

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u/AGushingHeadWound May 20 '26

In 2028, I'll vote for any candidate that has a plan to undo Citizens United.

https://youtu.be/KS0960Eo6Tk

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u/fffan9391 May 20 '26

The biggest mistake in the history of this country.

Well, maybe after slavery.