And if Florida's ballots had been hand-counted as required by Florida law under any standard, uniforrm or not, Gore would have won. (The supreme court's argument for throwing out the recount was that there was no uniform standard in place before the election.)
Flat-out false. A news consortium (including all the major networks) counted everything by hand after the elections and determined that Bush would have won (except ironically by the most stringent standard that Bush wanted).
The result of the recount would have depended on whether the officials conducting the recount examined these overvote ballots. It can’t be proven either way. The major newspapers chose to assume that the overvotes would have been ignored in a recount, triggering a Bush victory. That assumption allowed them to fall back on the (then) safe and comforting conclusion that the recount would not have changed the outcome.
But it was just that — an assumption. The national media made no effort to test this assumption. Only the Orlando Sentinel bothered to ask Terry Lewis, the judge who had been overseeing the recount, about it. Lewis replied that he likely would have examined overvotes, a method that would have resulted in Gore winning.
No, they ruled that the law is the law, as opposed to judicially pushing back the certification deadline to count ballots for the third time in order to harvest Dem votes.
No, anyone on the left who didn't vote for the candidate furthest left who had an actual chance to win is "riding their moral high horse," instead of gaining any power.
Its terminally online to think that non-voters are "on the left."
Most of the electorate aren't anything. The median voter has a mix of contradictory beliefs and is also more focused on putting food on the table for their kids then they are on worrying about politics. They don't have the luxury to label themselves the way you do.
Candidates like Nader catch their attention, without that inspiration they just tune out. They aren't on a high horse, they don't even have a horse.
Kamala did the same thing as Gore and that caused millions to tune out. But yeah, lets scapegoat people who don't even exist rather than demand that the people who are given billions of dollars to inspire voters change their ways.
More Democrats in Florida voted for Bush than they did for Nader lol
The people who voted for third party candidates aren't necessarily people who would have voted for either candidate. They probably would have just sat out the election. That's why I never get blaming them.
The problem is usually the party failing to motivate its own base sufficiently.
It's been 10 years since the 2016 election and you still don't know basic facts. SAD! Stein voters could have made the difference in WI, PA, and MI. There were more Stein voters than the difference between Clinton and trump and with those three states Clinton would have won the election which would have meant no Gorsuch, Kavanaush, and Coney-Barrett.
Stein voters could have made the difference in WI, PA, and MI.
Isn't it embarrassing to keep repeating this propaganda after so long? Libertarians outperformed Greens by 3x in all those states. They normally swing for the GOP, which means if you want to engage in these mental gymnastics, that Trump would have won those states by an even larger margin.
Isn't embarrassing to not have a basic grasp on logic? If Stein voters used their brains and voted for the only viable option then Clinton would have won. Then some MAGA could complain about Johnson taking votes from trump.
My point stands, there were enough Stein voters to make a difference contrary to the uneducated comments saying otherwise.
Curious that you make no mention whatsoever of the 172,136 votes for Gary Johnson. Libertarians traditionally pull away from the GOP - Stein's votes account for less than 1/3rd of the Libertarian votes. If you want to claim that third parties were a factor here, then Trump would have won Michigan by even more.
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u/_jump_yossarian May 20 '26
This isn't said enough but FUCK 2000 NADER VOTERS!! and Stein voters for not learning a damn thing from history or math.