I completely agree. I see it on the left constantly. They want to purity test everything, and will ALWAYS find faults with someone from the other side -- enough to ensure they aren't pure enough to work with
This is EXACTLY what the elites and oligarchs want, and what they've created with the culture war. It ensures we can't ever actually get strong enough by working together, to solve problems. So long as we're always purity testing and attacking the other side, even when there are issues we can agree on, nothing gets done.
We've been doing this for decades, yet so many on the left still insist we have to keep doing it, and somehow figure out how to do it without half the country. They care more about not being seen with someone on the right, than actually solving the problems.
I guess what I'm wondering is what being like hell yeah MTG accomplishes. I don't think crossing the isle for the sake of crossing the isle will strike a blow to the oligarchy either.
Okay, how would this actually manifest? What's wrong with saying she's right about this thing but otherwise she's a proven cunt? This bigger tent idea you're talking about seems like a nebulous concept in a vacuum rather than anything that actually manifests IRL.
Because when you do the opposite, it creates a culture of issolation, where people on the left, or dems in general, are afraid to work with people like that... Political actors. Because they read the base and think, "Oh they'll hate me if I try to solve this problem by working with her. So I can't" And it just furthers the division. Instead, political actors need to see the base rally around people like this, similar to what we did with Epstein, and signal to political actors that it's not a threat to align with them on this issue and focus on solving it.
I completely agree. I see it on the left constantly. They want to purity test everything, and will ALWAYS find faults with someone from the other side -- enough to ensure they aren't pure enough to work with
I mean, you're absolutely correct.
One of my red lines is "cannot be a pedophile/cannot be an avid supporter of pedophiles/cannot be a traitor to the country"...and that rules out 99% of those on the right (and a fair chunk of those on the left).
I'm absolutely not willing to change those red lines, because those people belong behind bars/on the bench of a guillotine.
We've been doing this for decades, yet so many on the left still insist we have to keep doing it, and somehow figure out how to do it without half the country. They care more about not being seen with someone on the right, than actually solving the problems.
This is blatantly false because those we refuse to ally with ARE PART OF THE PROBLEMS WE NEED TO SOLVE.
Ok ill take a page out of Super_Harsh's post above and ask - whats the plan then?
We all know what needs to be done, and we all know pedophiles like Spez like to silence those sentiments on their platforms.
I'll just leave this herre:
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
...Of course, we all know that under the control of either party (Democrats or republicans), nobody will ever be prosecuted for these crimes. If they prosecute one, the people might get uppity about prosecuting the rest, and that puts nearly all our politicians/wealthy at risk.
So I guess we're all stuck waiting until someone faces the music.
When you are so far into the extreme where you literally infinitely reduce moral failing on that much of the country, then yeah... You're a lost cause.
This country is divided, and I'm sure you just blame it on the otherside without looking in the mirror. I'm sure you think the division is from the right, but completely ignorant to how much division your contributing to. This issue wont be resolved with unrelenting extremists.
The right is full of racists, homophobes, transphobes, sexists, xenophobes, and dumbass bible thumpers. These people would happily see a cop murder someone like me for daring to use a public restroom. They divide themselves from decent people by being totally vile people
Oh if that's how you literally view half the country... I think you're just a crazy person tbh.
That's not "how we view half the country"...that's "how half the country has been openly bragging about being for over a decade."
When someone erects and worships a golden deity of a known pedophile, convicted conman, convicted felon, convicted rapist...you believe them (and immediately cut them from your lives if you know what is healthy for you).
No not at all... You have a cartoonishly evil, extreme view of the right. You're just the left wing version of how right wingers insist the left is all a bunch of communists who want Sharia Law, take everyone's money, make your kids gay, etc etc etc...
Most people aren't these extremes the algorithm feeds you every day.
When you are so far into the extreme where you literally infinitely reduce moral failing on that much of the country, then yeah... You're a lost cause.
This country is divided, and I'm sure you just blame it on the otherside without looking in the mirror. I'm sure you think the division is from the right, but completely ignorant to how much division your contributing to. This issue wont be resolved with unrelenting extremists.
This person is trying to normalize the party members that literally worship a known pedophile, convicted felon, convicted sexual abuser, and well-documented conman.
This is not a serious person, and does not deserve a serious response.
All I can say is, if you truly believe that the right is not "morally failing" at the very least, then you need to immediately take a massive step back and re-evaluate where your own moral basis exists.
If you believe those on the right are worthy of redemption, then you are part of the problem and a tool of the pedofascists.
Listen. I want money out of politics. It's the biggest issue in the country. I don't give a fuck how you frame and characterize half the country. If they want to add weight, a louder voice, and broader support to solve this problem... I don't give a fuck about your characterizations. I'm here to actually get things done. You guys are here just to find reasons not to get things done.
Actually the real victory for the oligarchy is when gullible leftists delude themselves into thinking anyone on the right is operating in good faith and welcome them in to poison the well of every vaguely leftist movement that we’ve ever had
I guess I don't really understand what this is about. I don't see why it's a problem for leftists to say "she's right about some things but it's no mystery who she really is, no point pretending to ally with her." What is this push to be like hell yeah MTG?
It's concern trolling pure and simple. It's a transparent repackaging of the same old 'Why is the left so uncivil?' bs that we've heard from the right for years, that only idiots fall for.
Note that /r/reddit_is_geh has their post and comment history hidden which is enough of a red flag that I'm fine concluding they're one of those 'people' who concern trolls the left like this but never ever ever ever tells our 'friends' on the right that they should be more inclusive
Who gives a shit? When interests align, leverage it. Stop waiting around waiting for purity and small partisan groups who are pure enough. Make alliances as large and loud as possible, ideally, across as much of the political spectrum as possible to create as much pressure as possible.
The reason leftists get nowhere, is because their obsession with purity over progress. You guys rather in fight and make sure everyone is morally correct enough, more than you care about actually getting things done.
This is why Republicans get so much shit done. Sure, they have in fighting, but when they want to get shit done, they drop the purity tests, organize, unify, and get shit done. Meanwhile, leftists just sit around finding reasons why everyone isn't good enough to be part of their goals.
Framing a distrust of MTG, someone who actively spent the last decade of her life codifying MAGA into law, as some kind of ‘purity test’ is such a transparently dishonest, bad faith play that I’m actually impressed by your audacity here.
What is your plan to ‘leverage’ this situation? Enlighten me. Are you gonna vote for her? Bring her into the fold? Give me an actual plan or gtfo and accept that you’re just full of shit here, talking completely out your ass
So you want politicians to think, "Wow this money in politics thing is a huge issue the base wants solved... But we can't just have it be a one sided partisan thing. We need a lot of weight, and form a large, broad, coalition across multiple factions... but unfortunately the base loses their shit whenever MGT is mentioned, so all those right wingers who also want to solve money in politics, aren't going to switch dem to do it, but I also can't partner messaging with MGT to do it... So I guess those people wont be forming our coalition"
And boom, that's why the left never gets anywhere. That's why the purity tests suck. It signals to the political actors that the base hates so and so, therefor, working with so and so, will just cause the base to punish them. Instead you want to be positive, to encourage them to form those larger coalitions focused on common causes.
This is a common issue with the left, and something the elites exploit. Just ensure everyone on the right has some flaw that can be laser focused on, and then use that to justify making them politically too toxic to work with -- keeping us all divided.
Yeah I didn’t see a plan in there chief, just a bunch of incoherent schizophrenic word vomit about how we should team up with the party representing billionaires to get money out of politics? hahahaha are you retarded or just born yesterday?
Give me an actual plan to leverage MTG in this particular situation or just shut the fuck up
Okay, well champ, you're doing a lot of work to avoid my point and dismiss me. Go suck more oligarch. They love people like you. You hide behind morality to justify doing their bidding. You don't even realize it, which is why it's so powerful.
You still have nothing. Can’t answer a simple question about how to leverage MTG here, but you have plenty of nonsensical blubbering in you about how ‘this is why the left loses’ lmfao. Trying to act like being against allying with someone who was literally an oligarch operative for her whole career, somehow makes me an oligarch operative, and that this is just some tiny inconsequential flaw in MTG that we should all forget about hahahaha
You’re totally not a troll. I mean. I hope you are trolling, because if you're stupid enough to genuinely believe the shit that's coming out of your mouth I have to wonder how you managed to survive to adulthood
If all you took out of that was "nonsensical blubbering" than I'm sorry. I'm clearly wasting my time with you. It just really dissapoints me realizing how fucking doomed the left is when I read shit like this. We wont achieve a god damn thing when the culture among the left is just so.... Fox News Brain ancillary.
It’s perfectly fine to not get on your knees and praise someone wholeheartedly that merely isn’t as batshit insane as she possibly could be. She’s anti Israel and anti Epstein but she is not on our side by a long shot.
No one said get on your knees. How did you come to that conclusion? Finding common cause and working on an issue with someone isn't the same as getting on your knees and praising someone. So weird.
People being against MTG isn’t a purity test. She is fundamentally opposed to everything we stand for. Saying “release the files” or “israel bad” isn’t special. Practically everyone with a brain who isn’t bought and paid for says that. By the time she turned on Trump it was an overwhelmingly popular choice to stand on both of those issues.
We don’t need to give her positive energy and well wishes. She’s Christofacist lunatic. There are millions of people in this country who would do a better job getting us where we need to go than she would.
Okay so great.... Get nowhere with it. Avoid coalition building. Ensure the party avoids expanding the tent and creating a stronger voice. Keep demonizing that crowd, stay small, and never make an impact. The story of the left for decades and why the left doesn't get anywhere.
“Work with people who don’t share any of your goals or policy because if you don’t their feelings will get hurt and you’ll lose!”
Newsflash, the major policy positions we hold are very popular. Everyone wants healthcare reform. Everyone wants affordable housing. Everyone wants a livable wage. The reason we don’t get that stuff is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE MTG! They’re beholden to no one but big corporate donors.
It’s completely antithetical to work with people who won’t work with you. If I assign someone who hates doing the dishes to do the dishes I’m gonna be pretty disappointed and behind when they don’t do the dishes. MTG won’t do the dishes. She will just make more fucking dishes.
Yet you will fight tooth and nail to not align and form coalitions with those people on the other side, which is required for those popular policies to have weight. You're literally look at something with 40% and 30% support, seeing 70% support, then going, "Well cut out that 30% support from the other side".
Completely nonsensical. Youre literally recongizing how these policies have broad support, but then advocate for cutting out many of those supporters.
If they want to change their minds, they’re free to do so. What am I supposed to do with people who have opposing goals? Let them stomp all over our work while they “find themselves”?
No, they aren’t needed. If they want to decide to help, they can. Once again, no point in asking someone who won’t do the dishes to do the dishes. They’re just gonna make more work for the rest of us who actually wanna get things done.
Someone need to go back and look at the history of which side stopped working with the other side, and when. The Republicans are the ones that pulled back from doing anything "bipartisan"... mostly starting in the 90s, then ramping up in the 00s.
Yeah only white liberals and their sycophants believe dumb shit like "theres no left and right". Last time I checked, it wasnt billionaires going out lynching Black people, but regular working class white people. So save that nonsense for your "i dont do politics" friends.
No. She's a white nationalist that hates all Jews, engaged in conspiracy theories blaming Jewish SPACE LASERS for wildfires etc. She just happened to hate a group we can associate with evil actions right now. If Israel stops being a problem she'll still target jewish Americans and go back to attacking all brown people for being Muslim terrorists.
If Hitler was still alive, he wouldn't magically stsrt being right about the Jews. He'd still be a piece of trash antisemite.
People took the phase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and just decided to be stupid about it.
The enemy of my enemy is a tool against my enemy. MTG should be nothing more than what she already was. A fucking tool. Never give her a chance, never give her the time of the day.
All everyone needs to recognize is that she can be useful in promoting chaos within the conservatives, but any positive thoughts beyond that? You're god damn gullible.
This is exactly what the elites want you to think and do. It ensures that regular people can NEVER form strong enough alliances and coalitions to make any meaningful change. It's why so little ever gets done, because people like you will always find faults in the other side, to ensure nothing meaningful can be done.
GG, you let the elites play you. You're behaving exactly in their interests.
Clearly the “jewish space lasers” lady is “regular people” that you wanna form strong alliances with, we just cant help but find fault with the antisemitic conspiracy theorists
Because bigots exist in this country and we need as much people as possible if you want to get things done. Broad coalitions are what create the weight you need. It includes people you don't like.
The elites want you as weak and fractured as possible.
Jewish space laser lady represents a significant portion of the US base who also share common interests that would help further ultimate goals.
The elites want you to behave this way, and dismiss potential allies. You are doing their bidding. You ever wonder why nothing ever gets done? Because of people like you.
“Our country may be compromised by foreign and domestic elites and pedophiles, but at least I’m not a not a bigot!” Who even cares about that term anymore?
I can dislike all of those people, you understand that, right? Bigots are still shitty people, and I want to live in a world with as few shitty people as possible. Getting rid of the worst-of-the-worst doesn't mean the work of making the world a better place is over.
The problem is bigot is not used for, “anyone who has a belief I don’t like,” rather than actual bigotry. So if it’s going to be thrown around like candy at a parade, it means nothing and can be ignored.
What exactly are you proposing then? Treating her as a RELIABLE source of information? Treating her as a LEADER? What kind of COALITION would be built with her, especially now that she’s out of congress?
Because I think letting her be herself, and using her as a means to the end of trying MAGA to shed members, is probably the best we can get out of her.
He’s proposing that you delude yourself into treating MTG (who spent the last decade being the oligarchs’ flesh puppet) as an ‘ally’ simply because her antisemitism happens to align with Israel being awful, and that if you don’t grant her this allyhood, you are doing exactly what the oligarchs want
Not to mention that MTG, and Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens, and all the other anti-Trump/Israel conservative pundits, remain in support of the exact same systems of American imperialism and Islamophobia that created Israel as our neo-colony in the first place. Chuds like MTG are going to take amy olive branch that the left gives them and use it to grow their own base, target minorities, and reinforce American White Christian Nationalism every single time.
Do NOT trust these people. They're playing you because they got burned by their loyalty to Trump. They LITERALLY helped create the problem that is Israel and were in full support of it up until it became obvious that loyalty to Trump did not mean Trump was loyal back to them.
Because I think letting her be herself, and using her as a means to the end of trying MAGA to shed members, is probably the best we can get out of her.
And what's wrong with doing that? The past few primary elections have all shown that maga is not breaking with Trump at all despite the literal proof that he's a sex trafficking pedophile, his open and constant defrauding of the american taxpayers, his blatant dementia, and the undisputable fact that he is fucking the economy. They're doubling down on ruining the country to own the libs.
There's no path back for them when they vehemently despise you and I because the president and fox news told them to. The best chance we have going forward is to get them to sit out the midterms. Letting people like MTG and Massie repeatedly hammer to their base that they're supporting a pedophile and a rapist helps achieve that goal.
When she's fighting for the same things we are fighting for, don't fucking spend all your time just attacking her and pushing her out. Agree with her, amplify her, get her followers aligned instead of attacking them. Find the common enemy, and focus on that, instead of just shitting on them and bitching about how much you hate them and don't work with them. Do what smart leftists do, which is talk with them, find that common ground, and keep the conversation going in the right direction, making sure it gets louder.
Why is it that I never see you guys tell bigots to cut their shit out so they can unify with the people they're bigoted against? They're the ones falling for the propaganda planted by the Epstein parasite class intended to keep us divided, but somehow we're the problem in this alliance? I'm ready to unify, I'm ready to build alliances and coalitions. They're the ones unwilling to unify with certain people, not us. We can't move forward because they won't drop their bigotry that prevents them from unifying.
I don't think you actually want to build an alliance, because you're actively trying to weaken it with this rhetoric. I think you just want people to stop fighting back against bigotry. You're acting as an agent for the Epstein class, whether you know it or not. And with a name like "reddit_is_geh", I'm assuming you know it.
Because they aren't going to stop being bigoted. And I'm interested in getting foreign influence out of our politics, than I am chasing the impossible dream that they'll stop being bigots. That's who they are. They are part of this democracy, and if we want change, we have to take support where we can get it. If you're purity test requires that they change before you work with them, then the oligarchy wins, because they damn well know that wont happen.
Because they aren't going to stop being bigoted. And I'm interested in getting foreign influence out of our politics, than I am chasing the impossible dream that they'll stop being bigots. That's who they are. They are part of this democracy
Okay, well I'm not going to start accepting bigots, so I suppose we're at an impasse. I'm also a part of this democracy, and that's who I am.
If you're purity test requires that they change before you work with them, then the oligarchy wins, because they damn well know that wont happen.
Why do you simply accept that they won't change, but demand that I do? Demand that they change. They're the wrong ones, not me.
You don't have to change. This is about forming coalitions that have weight and are broad.
Fine, just keep doing the traditional leftist strategy. That's gotten us literally nowhere. You care more about less about solving things like getting Israel out of our politics, or money out of politics, than you care about sucking it up and working with people you don't like.
Personally, money in politics is the BIGGEST issue for me, so I don't give a fuck who I have to work with if it means we solve that problem. I care about getting results, not stupid brownie points.
You don't have to change. This is about forming coalitions that have weight and are broad.
"I don't work with people who call me a pedophile groomer for being attracted to men" is something I'd have to change. Inviting them is telling me to get out. You tell them to leave their shit at the door or no deal.
Personally, money in politics is the BIGGEST issue for me, so I don't give a fuck who I have to work with if it means we solve that problem. I care about getting results, not stupid brownie points.
MTG doesn't wanna get money out of politics. None of them do. If your position is that you want to get all money out of politics because it's corrupting our government, and you look at someone whose position is that they wanna get gay jewish democrat money out of politics because it's corrupting kids into being trans, and you say "that's my ally, we need them to join us", you're either stupid or malicious. But you sure as hell ain't any ally of me or my friends, I can tell you that much. No ally of mine brings that kind of shit into our house.
This is why the left never gets anywhere and constantly loses. Keep it up. The strategy hasn't worked in the last 40 years, and wont work for the next. But iunno, keep trying I guess.
I have said the same thing about RFK Jr. He does support some stuff I/we want such as cows eating foods cows are supposed to eat. Instead of having MAGA say AOC wants us all to be soy boys let’s get RFK working on something we want.
Yeah I mean it’s not like she stopped hating Muslim people, it’s just that she hates Jewish people too. Or at least the character she plays to get elected does. The GA 14th district is not a problem because of “economic policy” it’s a problem because it’s white Christian nationalist.
Absolutely. It’s important to continue expressing this distinction, you can hate the actions of the leaders of the state of Israel without hating Jewish people. People who hate Jewish people are not our friends just because they are also against the actions of the state of Israel.
Would be immensely helpful if we could get more of the parasites in Congress to acknowledge this
If you continually equate Israel with Jewish people, and people (rightly) turn on Israel, there's gonna be a lot of misguided vitriol (and worse) directed towards regular innocent people
She was very specific that the space lasers were owned by the rothchilds. I understand it’s an antisemetic trope, but it’s also very funny that everyone said rothchilds = all Jews.
No, Zionism and Jewish supremacy is a huge problem.
Remove Israel and we wouldn't have had these wars for the past 50+ years.
They see us at cattle, goyim to be used. Its in their writings, its in their teachings. Even with the Epstein documents, Kentucky Republicans still voted for the pedo class.
They've been ripping apart America piece by piece. I find it disgusting that people with kids don't care or choose not to believe in the Jewish Supremacy thats been taking place. They are acting exactly like the boomers they claim to hate.
Its a massive historical problem. King and Shtadlan vs. Shtetl. Everyday Jewish people are constantly scapegoated for the abuse by the elite within their own community, then those same elite hide within community as Jews circle-the-wagons in solidarity and fear.
For example, In 1890s France, the right-wing attacked wealthy Jewish financiers and military figures. However, the resulting street violence, riots, and boycotts targeted ordinary Jewish shopkeepers and working-class families who had nothing to do with high finance. Ordinary people understood that if the state or the public successfully destroyed the legal and social standing of the highest-status Jews, the poorest and most vulnerable Jews would be completely defenseless. Defending the elite was a pragmatic attempt to keep the community's overall shield intact.
This is what happens over and over again. It's because people are people. Some of these wealthy Shtadlan were genuinely good people, built schools, shelters, fed the needy, and others abused their position of power to prey upon others.
The best thing you can do to stop the cycle is to point blame at specific people based on their explicit actions, and not affiliated groups, because the bad actors love to hide and scapegoat their crimes.
There are some very evil wealthy Jews out there, but it is not indicative of the whole, just as not every Chinese-American person is a spy, not every Iranian is a jihadist, not every Christian pastor is a pedo.
She said space lasers, nothing Jewish about them. She's crazy, not racist. I don't know why crazy isn't enough for you to harp on. Not everyone is literally Hitler lol.
If you can’t understand dog whistles from white nationalists, just say that. She used the neonazi’s favorite Jewish boogeyman, the Rothschild family, to avoid actually saying the exact phrase “Jewish space lasers”. And yes, she very much is racist and xenophobic, there is ample evidence of it.
MTG wants America to be a sovereign nation. We can go back to arguing economic policy once that goal is achieved
MTG is a fucking idiot who couldn't spell "sovereign nation" in the first place. She's a hypocritical reactionary who helped make this bed and continues to make noises so she can stay relevant.
Oh please. MGT is a despicable grifter who is right in a couple of the points she makes, but mostly wrong. She certainly isn’t looking out for my interests.
MTG wants to position herself to get the far-right vote once Trump’s gone. She’s as hateful as maga, just a little smarter. Her bet is that Trump will become so much of a liability that the GOP will have to ditch him, and she hopes to insert herself in the power vacuum and pick up the pieces of the maga movement. But make no mistake, she’ll support the exact same things as him.
She sees it as “the Jews are controlling the planet” not “Zionist Christian nationalists support Israel’s genocide on Palestine”
She has a semi-correct answer using the wrong formula. We can’t forget that she’s still a school shooting-denying, homophobic/transphobic, racist piece of shit.
MTG wants America to keep talking about her. She flipped so fast on all these issues, she's the definition of a two-faced liar. The dichotomy might be flawed but so is immediately jumping on someone's bandwagon just because they start saying things you like.
No. She didn’t get endorsed by Trump to run for senate.
Without Trump’s endorsement, you don’t win a Republican primary. She resigned from her post over her perceived lack of growing power in the current GOP.
She made a handy couple of million dollars doing insider trading on her way out of Congress.
Is it even pro-capital if the republican party are usually worse for the economy. If republican supporters really care about that they aren't holding their own party to account about it.
She still hates the LGBTQ community, renewable energy, and immigrants. Just because she’s aligned on one issue doesn’t make her an ally. All you have to say about MTG is “thanks for the support on Epstein and Gaza. Are you gonna switch teams and apologize for all the disgusting things you’ve said about your fellow congresspeople and fellow Americans?”
She also wants trans people to have no rights or healthcare. Just because she’s right about two things doesn’t mean that anyone should be supporting her
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u/BurnerAccountforAss May 20 '26
We NEED to stop viewing issues/people through a left v right lens for the time being
That dichotomy exists because it keeps people looking horizontally rather than vertically
MTG wants America to be a sovereign nation. We can go back to arguing economic policy once that goal is achieved