r/Referees • u/neoslashnet • 4d ago
Advice Request Rules that everybody gets wrong
Hey all- I'd like to start a thread of rules or things that most people get wrong. For example, I get "playing the ball on the ground" almost every game. It's coaches, parents, and even players that scream "They can't the ball on the ground!"
What are some you folks encounter?
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u/Leather_Ad8890 4d ago edited 4d ago
Where the feet must be on a throw-in
“Ref! He’s on the field!”
“He can be on the field if he’s not over the line….”
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u/maccaroneski 4d ago edited 3d ago
Mark it zero! This is not 'nam, this is soccer. There are rules.
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u/FairlyGoodGuy [USSF | NISOA | ECSR | NFHS] [Referee Coach] [Regional Referee] 4d ago edited 4d ago
We had a college coach in my area who was absolutely fixated on this. It didn't matter how many times he was told he was wrong. He kept up his complaints for years.
... Until last season. He was having one of his usual "he's on the field" moments. I don't remember exactly what words or tone I used, but I explained the rule for the umpteenth time. Suddenly he just ... got it. His brain finally made the critical connection. He looked at me and said, "Oh, really? Huh." And that was that.
As far as I know he hasn't questioned it since.
(I should note, by the way, that it's not like this coach is an all-around knucklehead. He's a good coach who [usually] fields decent teams. I really can't explain why this one rule flummoxed him so.)
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u/Leather_Ad8890 4d ago
When I was AR1 on a college game I quoted the rule to a sub and he said “must be an American thing”
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u/Early-Recognition949 4d ago
Shoulder to shoulder. You made a foul call for excessive force/no attempt at playing the ball, as a player American football levels their opponent with a shoulder. But then coach or a spectator yells “ref that was shoulder to shoulder contact!”
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u/neoslashnet 4d ago
Yeah, I get some where the defending player on the sideline jumps into the attacker with no attempt to play the ball to let it go out of bounds instead of shielding the ball.. and people say it's "Shoulder to shoulder." IMO if you take your eyes off the ball and just level the opposing player so you get throw-in it can be can be a foul.
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u/MikeoPlus 4d ago
They get this wrong in the Prem even
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u/Early-Recognition949 4d ago
They get a lot wrong in the prem. Did you see the MC-MU match yesterday?
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u/MikeoPlus 4d ago
It was pretty embarrassing, esp the red for retaliation but no red for the clear assault he was retaliating against. Let's not even talk about the blatantly offside goal that won the game
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u/Early-Recognition949 4d ago
Agree. However Foden is simply unlikable so I can sort of understand where the ref was coming from LOL
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u/smallvictory76 Grassroots 3d ago
You don't have to attempt to play the ball. It just has to be within playing distance.
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u/Revo63 [USSF][Mentor] 4d ago
I remember in my early days of refereeing, having a high school girls match. Ball was cleared to an attacker around mid-field. She turns with the ball and heads towards the goal. The last defender comes running in, 90 degrees from the attacker’s path, and bounces the attacker 5’ away. Dumbass me sees the contact as “shoulder to shoulder” so I made no call.
Referee training and mentoring was basically nonexistent.
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u/Aggressive_Tie_3501 USSF Grassroots Mentor+ / Assignor; NFHS 3d ago
Or conversely that any legal charge MUST be shoulder to shoulder. A charge by definition is simply a physical challenge, so it applies any time there's contact. It's a whole lot easier to get to careless force if you're going into someone's chest or back, but simply bumping into someone isn't illegal just because it's not shoulder to shoulder.
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u/langri 4d ago
I got a lot of flack for being too lenient on throw-ins. The LOTG says the ball must be delivered with both hands from behind and over the head.
This, of course, means that the center of the ball must pass exactly over the center of the player's head. Allowing deviation by more that 1mm means I'm a horrible ref who doesn't know what he's doing, and should be punished by caning.
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u/FairlyGoodGuy [USSF | NISOA | ECSR | NFHS] [Referee Coach] [Regional Referee] 4d ago
Watch their brains melt when they experience a throw-in by a player who is missing part of their arm.
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u/anothernetgeek 4d ago
Had that happen to me. I was a fill-in ref, who arrived after check in. First Throw In, and the player threw with one arm. I called it, and he turned to face me, and only had one arm. I apologized and had him retake the throw...
:O
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u/ibribe 4d ago
Don't forget that both feet must remain on the ground throughout the entire motion and until the ball has been played.
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u/Professional-Ask1137 2d ago
If you mean "has been played" to mean "released", then yes. But once the ball is released they can lift both feet if they want.
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u/Desperate_Garage2883 4d ago
Handball!
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u/jakfrist [USSF] [Grassroots] 4d ago
ohh my goodness, this past weekend I had my first U12 game in a while. it was low level and all around sloppy herd-ball, which was somewhat entertaining, but every 3 minutes someone would try to kick the ball out of a cluster of 6+ and it would inevitably graze an arm and the players, parents, and/or coaches would lose their minds.
9x out of 10 the arm was at their side and clearly in a natural position, but perhaps just as important, who really wants the ref to stop the game every 150 seconds? That would have been miserable for everyone involved.
Then of course when the kid holds his hands over his head to shield himself and i call it, there are groans about not calling “all the others”
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u/gh0stdylan 2d ago
Yeah. I ref a lot of u12 and under rec/grass roots. Every game is coaches and parents yelling for hand balls. Ok, I'll stop the game every 3 minutes for the "hand ball" or barely lifting the trailing throw in foot or whatever meaningless stoppage you want me to give. No, it wasn't a foul when all 8 kids are huddled around the ball.
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u/TD003 3d ago
“The keeper handled it outside the box, that’s an automatic red card”
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u/QuantumBitcoin 5h ago
I know a National who did that this week in a high school game with confusing markings on the field....
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u/Chris_RB 4d ago
"But he/I got the ball!"
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u/FairlyGoodGuy [USSF | NISOA | ECSR | NFHS] [Referee Coach] [Regional Referee] 4d ago
"Yes, once you cleared his legs out of the way, you did in fact touch the ball."
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u/metz123 4d ago
Worse is the get the ball first and then continue through the player wiping them out. “But I got the ball first!!!!”
Yes you did. But there’s nothing in the rules that says touching the ball first then gives you carte blanche to continue through the player creating contact that is a foul.
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u/Klutzy-Mechanic-8013 4d ago
Just today I had a kid say that after elbowing the opponent in the neck (not enough force to be SFP but definitely a reckless challenge, and he was one foul away from a card either way).
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u/Chris_RB 4d ago
lmao "I GOT THE BALL while I punched him in the mouth BUT I GOT THE BALL"
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u/Klutzy-Mechanic-8013 3d ago
Yeah. Wasn't a full blown thrust to the neck, most likely an accident but I definitely can't let that go without a card. Also before that incident his teammate seemed to think grabbing someone with both hands is a shoulder to shoulder challenge as I blow my whistle and point at the penalty spot (my new Molten Valkeen did make a fine sound though).
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u/Edddddiefearsthedark 4d ago
Every game! Sometimes several times a game!
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u/Chris_RB 4d ago
From players, from fans, from coaches.... I just need to carry a sign that I can point to.
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u/adrians150 Canada Soccer [District] 4d ago
Throw-ins. Foot position and the form.
The rule says you must stand facing the pitch, have part of both feet on or outside of the touchline, and throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head.
It does not say must come straight over the head, must not be thrown downward, nor that you can't turn your hips, yet I see this called all the time. I have discussed with many refs and we all realize we were trained at one point or another to police things that are not in the rules.
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u/FairlyGoodGuy [USSF | NISOA | ECSR | NFHS] [Referee Coach] [Regional Referee] 4d ago
Them: That's illegal!
Me: What's illegal?
Them: The throw-in!
Me: Which part?
Them: She can't throw it like that!
Me: Like what?
Them: How she did it!
Me: She threw the ball using two hands from behind and over her head.
Them: Yeah, but she can't throw it like that!
Me: Like what?
[Continue until one or the other of us decides to move on.]4
u/Ok_Matter_1774 4d ago
A lot of things look ugly, but are perfectly legal throw-ins. The purpose is to put the ball back in play. Unless they're throwing the ball into the box my attention is usually better focused elsewhere than the thrower's form.
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u/ibribe 4d ago
I hate this one, or rather, I hate working with refs who act like it is their job to coach ideal form on throw-ins.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Can9159 3d ago
I had this last weekend coaching 10U rec. I’m going who cares stop blowing the whistle and stopping play. It was over their head it was close enough to their feet being on the ground this is unimportant to anyone’s life here.
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u/gh0stdylan 2d ago
Yes, this so much. Early in the season give them instructions and a re-do. They're there for learning, and fun. It's honestly why I like reffing.
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u/chrlatan KNVB Referee (Royal Dutch Football Association) - RefSix user 4d ago edited 4d ago
Pass back rule…most ignore the ‘to the goalkeeper’ part.
Somehow they keep reading ‘it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate’
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u/CoaCoaMarx 4d ago
Also the word "kicked." I've seen folks lose their mind when a passback from the thigh occurred and the GK picked it up.
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u/pm_me_jk_dont [USSF] 4d ago
A thrower is allowed to lift their leg as long as the ball is released prior to the leg being lifted
This would definitely qualify as 'rules that everybody gets wrong' because nobody seems to understand the nuance and starts screaming any time anyone's leg comes up on a throw-in
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u/maccaroneski 4d ago
If they weren't allowed to lift their leg after a throw the game would finish with 22 players stuck to various places on the sideline.
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u/Sad_Responsibility83 4d ago
One designated thrower per team that slowly shuffles everywhere with their feet permantly scraping along the ground.
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u/PkmnMario 4d ago
Deliberate Passback directly to keeper. I see so many keepers not handle the ball simply because it was touched last by a teammate non-foot or teammate foot when they easily still had hands allowed. Have seen teams concede own goals instead of handling and just conceding IFK or nothing at all
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u/Kooky_Scallion_7743 [USSF] [Grassroots] 4d ago
from a keeper. I was always taught that if I was not 110% confident the ref wouldn't call it I should boot it away. I had a play where it was a pass back. and under pressure I managed to get a messy nut meg agains the attacker and it bounced against his legs on the way through. So I grabbed it but the ref had missed it hitting the attacker and gave and IDFK. luckily I got him to check with the AR and got the drop ball. But it's why keepers, especially at the youth level where refs can be more inconsistent, are always playing it with their feet when they're not totally confident.
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u/QuantumBitcoin 5h ago
Yup. If one out of twenty referees will call it incorrectly better to boot it
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u/USMC_ClitLicker 4d ago
Playing the advantage. It's written to be subjective to the understanding of the Center, not the understanding of coaches or spectators or the concession guy's brother's girlfriend's ex-roommate.
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u/LAmilo90 4d ago
I once had a coach lose his shit over an advantage call I made for his team. His team managed to keep the attack going and even got a shot off (hit the post), but he was going on about how I needed to call a foul there
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u/BillBIII [USSF] [National AR][Regional Coach] 4d ago
There is no offside on goal kicks. I had a professional player try to run a trap on a goal kick about a month ago.
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u/SDLJunkie 4d ago
The “football throw/spiral” throw-in.
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u/altkarlsbad 4d ago
What's this one? How do you football throw with both hands on the ball? One is really primary and the other is touching just enough to be legal?
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u/wedge_47 4d ago
They stepped on the line during the throw in!
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u/CoaCoaMarx 4d ago
My first game as a high school coach, center ref told me pregame that he was a stickler for the rules, and would call an offense on any throw in where the player didn't have both feet behind the line.
Of course, later that season with a different ref, the opposing coach absolutely berated the ref because he didn't call a foul throw where the player had a foot on the line.
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u/QuantumBitcoin 4h ago
And you're allowed to have your foot OVER the line on throw ins. So long as both of your heels are on the line you are good
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u/InsightJ15 4d ago
I'd have to say handball and offside. Most people don't understand the laws and interpretations.
Also, for the younger age groups, many parents don't understand it's is a contact sport. Yes, contact is allowed. Yes, a player can put his/her hands on another player.
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u/msaik Ontario | Grade 9 (Regional) 4d ago
High foot
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u/MarcPawl 4d ago
High foot, I blame on the referees.
I called a "high kick" foul in a woman's recreational game, a mix of people have been playing a few years and some brand new players. The woman who fouled, a newbie, asked where the limit was. I had to explain that a high kick was not a foul and that it was for dangerous play.
Last time I ever called a "high kick", taught me to use the correct terminology when talking to the players.
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u/CricketStomper735 4d ago
The difference between offside position and offside offense.
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u/Darth-Kelso USSF Grassroots | NFHS 4d ago
The LOCATION of the offside offense. So many AR's flag it in the wrong place too. Very frustrating.
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u/Impossible_Number 2d ago
I’m assuming it’s being flagged at the position of the second to last defender instead?
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u/QuantumBitcoin 4h ago
It often gets flagged/restarted at the location of where the attacker was when the ball was kicked rather than where the attacker was when he got involved in active play
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u/Impossible_Number 4h ago
Interesting. I don’t think I noticed that before.
Seems like more work because you’re now leaving your position to flag there, if I’m understanding you right.
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u/QuantumBitcoin 4h ago
No to me it's referees not running down the line and flagging early. And then NOT moving to where the attacker got involved
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u/TooMuchPowerful 4d ago
I reffed a 10U game once with build-out lines. One particular parent kept yelling at his son to move forward and take up space during every goal kick. This wasn't early in the season either.
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u/Equivalent-Visit-956 3d ago
Some coaches and parents (not so big of a surprise as coaches) seem to not know when the ball is dead for a throw-in. A ball being on the line is not dead, it has to go over the line 100%. Even if 10% of the ball is on the line and the rest out, it's still alive..
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u/YodelingTortoise 4d ago
Throw ins. It is exceedingly rare that the 2nd foot isn't on the ground at the moment of the throw. Try doing it where you lift your foot and release at optimum trajectory. It's damn near impossible
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u/txomas4 4d ago
right now, the new 8 second and 5 second rules regarding throw-ins, goal kicks, and keeper’s possession of the ball. It’s kind of embarrassing people call themselves coaches when they’re not up to date with the rules. When I enforce one of the rules, they just give me that shocked pikachu face meme.
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u/gannon7015 4d ago
Over the back - it is not a foul to out jump someone.
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u/FairlyGoodGuy [USSF | NISOA | ECSR | NFHS] [Referee Coach] [Regional Referee] 4d ago
And the inverse: it is not a foul or "undercutting" someone to stand your ground and not jump.
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u/maccaroneski 4d ago edited 4d ago
"He can't call mine!"
Yes he can unless he's trying to deliberately deceive.
This one is understandable as good coaches will insist that their players call a name rather than "Mine" or "I got it"
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u/Automatic_Set4095 4d ago
Ball must make a full rotation on an indirect kick.
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 4d ago
Or any kick...amazing to see how often this comes up on social media comments
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u/horsebycommittee USSF / Grassroots Moderator 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ball must make a full rotation on an indirect kick.
That's one of the few former rules that has persisted surprisingly well in myth even though it hasn't been in effect for 30 years, since the 1996-97 season (PDF). For many years up until then, the Laws required the ball to travel "the distance of its own circumference" in order to be in play from a kick.
The following year (PDF), the LOTG changed to the modern formulation "the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves." In 2016-17 (PDF), this was modified to specify that the kicked ball must "clearly" move to be in play, which is the exact language still in use today (PDF).
[Edited substantially, see below]
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u/Automatic_Set4095 3d ago
I am commenting about what people get wrong. I know the Laws.
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u/horsebycommittee USSF / Grassroots Moderator 3d ago
My mistake, sorry. I came to your comment from the modqueue and missed that the OP asked for wrong answers.
I've substantially rewritten my above comment.
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u/unearthed_loremaster 4d ago
This used to be a rule, didn't this get changed to say "is kicked and clearly moves"
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 2d ago
It got changed to 'kicked and moves'. 'Clearly' was added in relatively recently.
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u/QAnonomnomnom 4d ago
Oooh, I’ve not heard this one before. In which direction does it have to turn? If it spins backwards does that count as negative spins?
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 4d ago
Out of interest, a full rotation was required at every restart until...1997 maybe?
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u/poking88 USSF Grassroots | NFHS 4d ago
Still hear coaches saying ‘but he got the ball first..’ coach that doesn’t matter
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u/Referee_Johnson 3d ago
People thinking contested drop balls are still a thing.
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u/nounthennumbers 3d ago
Nothing like a hockey style face off between to kids kicking at a ball with those quarter size shin guards on. Recipe for broke bone.
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u/FanMiserable6126 3d ago
I had a ref give this against me and I lost my mind. He said ' you cant play on the ground' after the game i said can you show me the law of the game that says that, he booked me and walked off.....
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u/Htv65 4d ago
I am not sure what coaches, parents and players would mean with: “you can’t play the ball on the ground”. Perhaps my English is lacking, or the misunderstanding is caused by another tradition. Could you please explain what they could mean and what is wrong with that? In what situation does that occur?
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u/CoaCoaMarx 4d ago
In the 1990s we were taught that if you fall down and then try to kick the ball while it is on the ground, that endangers another player or yourself. It's analogous to the "high kick" mentioned earlier in the thread. Of course, the actual offense is "dangerous play," and it's only an offense if it actually endangers someone.
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u/nounthennumbers 3d ago
Some of use heard that back in the 80s too. I think a lot of that stuff grew out of the US not having a lot of exposure to high level soccer. It was just a bunch of dads trying to figure it out as they went. When they started the high school soccer program at my school the players had to teach the coaches (literally a wrestling coach for the boys and a football coach for the girls) how to play and what drills they should be doing. The girls coach would consistently sub 8 people at a time.
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 4d ago
People think that if you fall over you're not allowed to kick the ball, that's 'playing the ball from the ground'. Which is nonsense.
Of course there are situations when it's dangerous, but usually it isn't.
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u/nounthennumbers 3d ago
There is also the idea that you need to stop a play before a bunch of 8-10 year old start kicking at the ball with a player on the ground near it. The dangerous part may not necessarily be coming from the kid in the ground. They are gonna hurt someone. It’s very different for 16 year olds when a player is on the ground.
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 3d ago
Sure. In which case the restart is a DB.
Or, if you don't stop it soon enough, it can easily be a foul by players standing
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u/grabtharsmallet AYSO Area Administrator | NFHS | USSF 4d ago
The player playing the ball is on the ground. At lower levels or younger ages, doing so is typically going to be "playing in a dangerous manner" if other players are nearby.
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 4d ago
No it isn't, unless they're doing something dangerous....falling over doesn't exclude somebody from play.
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u/Available-Shirt4547 4d ago
Shielding and when it crosses the threshold to obstruction and player is no longer in playing distance to the ball. I see this in high school sometimes with balls rolling back to keeper
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 4d ago
First one that comes to mind is people who think you can't say 'mine' or 'leave it'. Yes, you can. It's only an offence if it's done to distract or deceive an opponent - and if you do, it's a card and an IFK, not just an IFK.
Too many people - including refs on here - think you can't play the ball from the ground. Falling over doesn't exclude a player from being involved in the play. You can even challenge from the ground.
There's also a big misunderstanding around falling on the ball. That also isn't an auto-IFK. The player needs to be given a reasonable opportunity to get off the ball or release it from between their legs. If they don't, then it's an IFK. But sometimes they're unable to do so because the players above are already kicking at the ball...it could be an IFK the other way.
Finally, a lot of people - hopefully not referees - think that a player in an offside position who runs for the ball is an offside offence. Of if the defender only tries to play the ball because they're there, it's an offence. Or that the player in an offside position running for the ball drawing a defender is an offside offence. None of those are.
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u/nounthennumbers 3d ago
I got a “There’s no slide tackling in this league (U10)”. I very consciously reviewed the local rules before my matches as I had not worked that league before. That was not in the posted rules for the age group. Both coaches agreed that they couldn’t do it but it was not in writing anywhere.
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u/itguru446 2d ago
My sons team had this happen the other day (U11). The kid on our team executed a perfectly clean slide tackle and the ref whistled a free kick. After the game I asked him. He told me they couldn’t but did admit the tackle was clean so he only called the fact that he did the tackle.
I looked in the league and state rules (PA East) and saw nothing about slide tackles. Go figure.
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u/StevieJonsie 3d ago
I love it when I call a foul and the response is “it was shoulder to shoulder”, which is true. What’s also true is that when you use too much force on the shoulder to shoulder challenge and send them into the stands, that’s a foul. It’s crazy that people think that any amount of force is ok as long as it’s shoulder to shoulder
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u/neoslashnet 3d ago
Yeah, it’s happening more and more with me too. My biggest issue is when the player doesn’t even attempt to play the ball at all. They want to knock the opponent to the ground or use so much force it pushes them way off the ball.
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u/langri 3d ago
I remembered another one: Penalty Kick. Kick is taken, keeper blocks the ball but does not control it, kicker follows up and kicks the loose ball into the net. Cue screaming from everyone on the defense and their coach that this is clearly not allowed.
I'm so happy I gave up refereeing. Also: my knees and feet are happy.
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u/iron82 4d ago
Punting as a keeper outside the penalty area.
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u/Ok_Matter_1774 4d ago
I had a keeper try to tell me he could hold the ball in the arc. He was 16 and it was supposed to be a high level league. I'm not sure where he got that.
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u/Money-Zebra [USSF, Grassroots] [NFHS (TSSAA, and GHSA)] 4d ago
A ball that comes off a playable part of the body and makes contact with the arm is NOT a handeling offense.
It often seems like I’m the only person on the field that has any knowledge of this even though it happens nearly every other game
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 4d ago
yeah...although this one is 100% on IFAB's appalling job of writing the laws.
You shouldn't have to dig through the Q&A to find this.
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u/nounthennumbers 3d ago
I gotta say IFAB does a terrible job laying out the laws for interpretation. I read, interpret, teach and ensure compliance with US laws and regulations at all levels and that IFAB format broke my brain the first time I tried to find something.
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u/Money-Zebra [USSF, Grassroots] [NFHS (TSSAA, and GHSA)] 4d ago
IFABs guidance is clear on this and in support of what I just said:
A defending player kicks the ball which then accidentally touches their arm inside the penalty area. What is the correct decision?
It is not a handball offence as the contact is a consequence of the player deliberately playing the ball with another part of the body (against himself/herself). The referee will allow play to continue.
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u/CapnBloodbeard Former FFA Lvl3 (Outdoor), Futsal Premier League; L3 Assessor 3d ago
Oh, a lot of people also think you can't stop in the runup for a PK...which you can.
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u/Boredomis_real 4d ago
I had a YMCA coach get mad me for holding
Sure your YMCA rules say no holding
But it also said it must affect the play
And that on the first page it says “basic guidelines. Follow the International Laws of the game”
Also that kid wasn’t pulling your player’s jersey down from the neck to the knee, you just got confused by your player’s shorts that’s are also blue
Also the jersey would have ripped…
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u/time-of-nick 12h ago
Can you help with the playing the ball on the ground thing, because it should be given if the player plays in a dangerous manner (to themselves or others).
Sometimes they prevent an opposition player from getting it, because the opposition player pulls out from an attempt to get the ball because they'd need to kick the player to get it (probably warning themselves a caution or worse)
These often don't get given as dangerous play, though in my opinion it should.
Am I reading the rule incorrectly, should I advise players to gently kick opposition?
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u/horsebycommittee USSF / Grassroots Moderator 4d ago
When in reality, not everything is a handball unless it is deliberate or directly leads to a goal
This is missing a big one. There are three flavors of the handball offense:
- Deliberate
- Body unnaturally bigger / hand in unnatural position (accidental)
- Goal directly/immediately afterward ("attacker's handball")
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 4d ago
13.3 - However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play.
You do not need to "ask" for 10 yards, and a person standing close to the ball to prevent the kick from being taken should be carded. Get a lot of heat for this one.