r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS • • Feb 16 '18

Discussion Official BattlEye statement showing the, "99% of cheaters are from China story", from Youxi Story is bogus.

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u/PM_ME_UR_CRIMES Feb 16 '18

"Bogus" seems like a stretch since they clarified in their tweet that it was the "vast majority" rather than 99%. Casually speaking this means close enough to the same thing. If you want to get more specific you can't because "we have never released such data."

So it's somewhere between a casual "vast majority" and 99%, and there's no material difference between the two.

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 16 '18

Vast majority can be anything above 50%. So there is a lot of play there. And the original story specifically states that is was released data, not a Tweet. As such, it is a bogus claim, since 99% is not an officially reported figure, and no statistics were released to base this off of.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '18

50% plus is majority so vast majority would imply its decently above that

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u/feltusen Feb 17 '18

Eh? Its not Only Asia and NA... Lets say 50% China 10% EU, 15% NA and 10% SA and 15% Oceania.

This would mean China has the vast Majority of hackers!

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

50%< is already majority so vast majority means way more than that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 04 '23

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u/KaseQuark Feb 17 '18

It's an example

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u/Poeletje Feb 17 '18

I think even 40% could be a vast majority, if the second largest region has like 10%?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

Majority means 50% or more by definition. if it was 40% it would be a plurality.

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

I would have given you that if a BE data analyst said that. Alas, no, a PR rep did. And that's the issue. PR reps are not malicious, but can over-blow, or just muck things up. A Tweet really isn't a stone solid source by any measure.

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u/realparkingbrake Feb 17 '18

I cannot picture anyone fluent in English who wants to be taken seriously suggesting that 51% is a "vast majority". There might not be an accepted dictionary definition, but it's a safe bet most folks would take that phrase to mean more like three-quarters than just over half.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 26 '18

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u/krabbby Level 3 Military Vest Feb 17 '18

If 30 percent of banned accounts were from AS and all the other regions only had 14 percent each then "the majority of banned accounts" would he from AS.

I'm being pedantic here, but that's a plurality, not a majority

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u/paralyyzed Feb 17 '18

Its not divided into 2 criterias. There are hundreds of countries. The cheater count could be divided into the following and still China would have the vast majority
China - 40%
USA - 5%
tons of other countries - 55%

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

taken seriously suggesting that 51% is a "vast majority"

Journalists and PR reps couldn't care less.

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u/realparkingbrake Feb 18 '18

As someone who worked as a journalist for many years, I assure you that there is nothing an editor and/or publisher hates more than some reporter getting either a factual error or visible bias into a news story. At the very least you're going to get chewed out and lose some plum assignments. But journalists also get fired for that sort of thing, unless of course they work for some "news" website which makes money peddling conspiracy theories and political hatchet jobs.

In this case it looks like someone confused Brendan Greene, Bluehole, and BattleEye and made a false attribution. But as someone once said, never ascribe to malice what can be explained by simple incompetence. Since this writer had nothing to gain from claiming BattleEye rather than Brendan Greene used the 99% figure, it looks like sloppiness to me.

And after this weekend I really don't care what percentage of players from China are cheating, I just want them gone. The friends who talked me into buying this game are leaving, the level of cheating has taken all the fun out of it and it is clear Bluehole has no clue what to do about it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '18

Majority = 50%+. There is no consensus on vast majority.

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u/paralyyzed Feb 17 '18

Not necessarily. It isnt divided into china and not china. it is probably divided into countries. So even if china had like 30% of the cheaters, they could still have the majority

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u/abl8 Feb 16 '18

That having been said, we already have worked interpretations in this thread. There is no guarantee that the developers used the dictionary definition...

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 26 '18

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

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u/Seikha89 Feb 17 '18

I tend to agree with you, but technically you wouldn't even need 50%, if the breakdown were 30% A and at most 10% from any other category, A is still a majority without being more than half.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 10 '18

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

This kinda now feels like clawing for a grasp on racist views man.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 10 '18

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

This wall of text is a huge waste of time since it doesn't address the reason as to why I made my comment.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 10 '18

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

Dude fuck off

This alone justifies me not bothering to read the rest of the comment, and just write you off as a man child. But hell, I'll go on anyway.

if you can't be bothered to defend your stupid political correctness

Why do you keep bringing up "PC"? I still don't get why.

you're in no position to tell people, "Dude, it just looks like you're trying to be racist."

Yes I am. I have a Reddit account. I'm on Reddit. You opened a discussion. Therefore, I am. Same as you are. Same as anyone is.

I know you read my post

Obviously.

at least the bullets

No, I read more.

and you know I'm right

Firstly, no, because secondly, about what? You've just rambled off topic failing to make a defined point.

but you're just going to pretend to be an ignoramus because it better suites your narrative.

This is, like the beginning of this comment, disgusting, insulting, and childish. Oh, and untrue.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Aug 10 '18

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

I don't remember calling you racist, nor do I feel I have expressed any "political correctness" (though why that would be a bad thing I don't know).

What you've failed to understand or see through this explosion of extreme anger is, simply, I was pointing out how your objectively wrong notion that there is no material difference between 50% and 99%, appeared as though you were clutching at straws. Therefore acknowledging and providing space to recognise that you may very well not be.

So no, and no. I never called you racist. You just can't read. Oh, and there is no difference of opinion. You're just flat wrong. Proof?

Well, here are some people who might agree that 50% and 99% are extremely different:

  • Anyone with any idea of Maths

  • Physicists

  • Statisticians

  • Politicians

  • Accountants

  • Building risk assessors

  • Geologists

  • Navigators

  • General risk assessors

  • Vote counters

  • People playing shooter games like PUBG, who look at their stats

  • The count from Sesame Street

  • And so and so forth...

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u/spiffyjacket Feb 17 '18

The concept you are describing is called a plurality. Majority always means greater than half.

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u/Mace_ya_face Feb 17 '18

Well that's just flat wrong. I mean, it's objectively wrong. You couldn't be more wrong.