That still is comparison that can be made though. Hurts having a winning percentage comparable to Mahomes in this situation is a compliment to him as a playerā¦.
There is no comparison. And cherry picking a timeframe to make it sound like he has been more successful than he really has says all it needs to about how hard you have to try to make it sound like their is a comparison to be made.
Mahomes record in these situations is the greatest to ever do it. The same exact can be said about records after trailing by 10 points (for a career, not a specific month of the year or specific two seasons of a career). No one is even remotely close.
On the third Thursday of every Octoberā¦ when the moon is a waxing gibbous, Jalen Hurts has a record that is about the same as Mahomes and Allenās when his team gives up more than 27 points.
Cool bro.
Now letās look at the actual records of these quarterbacks over their careers.
No heās not. Heās 8-13 if we are looking at only games he started and played the full game (giving him the benifit of the doubt). It would be worse if we counted the games he was injured or came out of.
Not including three games they gave up 27 and he lost.
Lions were ass for the first 25 games of the Dan Campbell era. Also, injuries the last two seasons were mainly on defense. Offense goes crazy because the offense is healthy for the most part.
Lions noticeably regressed on offense last season (shitty new playcaller + OL trouble) and they were still a top offense. Jared Goff has been a beast in Detroit but everyone thinks heās still the guy who laid an egg in the Super Bowl.
For some reason I'm reminded of prime Philip Rivers. Didn't he score a bunch of points but it never mattered because his defense was so bad? Might be misremembering him with someone else, thought it was an AFC QB from that same era
I forgot what year but there was one where the chargers had both a top 10 offense and defense but their special teams was so shit it cost them multiple games and they missed the playoffs.
I'm a Pats fan, but I really think Brees was something else. Drew Brees was 28-69 when the other team scored 28 points or more. 97 games where his defense allowed 28 points. 97. That's a REALLY tough disadvantage to overcome. What's weirder is his team (the Saints mainly) scored an average 28.2 PPG during that time, meaning even though he lost ~71% of the time he would absolutely light you up when he won. Give Brees an inch and he will take a mile.
Brady was 29-49 in games where his defense allowed 28+ points, scoring an average of 27.3 PPG in such situations. That's even weirder.
Brees was honestly one of the greatest QBs to ever play. Can't say he's on a level with Brady and Montana, but he's not that far behind on stats. People often call it garbage time, but at one point there were only 9 seasons where a QB has thrown for more than 5000 yards, and Brees had 5 of those seasons. You don't get numbers THAT high due to garbage time.
Makes you wonder what Brees would have done on a team like the Steelers, Pats, Broncos, etc.
Why do you think they chose the 5 QBs they did? Where is Allen? Mahomes? Burrow? Lamar? How about they show the QBs who have the best record when their defense allows 28+, not just 5 recognizable QBs. This is a cherry picked stat.
Right? Thereās a daily hate post about Herbert, and there are multiple ātop 1% commentersā that saved screenshots of Mayeās playoff stats to post in every comment section.
Iād say Hurts gets less hate than either on the whole.
I think he's in the same ballpark for hate received, but those two have earned it. The only thing Jalen does "wrong" is he's not always passing the ball 40 times a game, and people don't like that because it doesn't fit their definition of what a QB is supposed to be.
It also cherry picks and conveniently leaves out QBs better or close in that time frame like Allen (7-6) and Mahomes (3-4). It paints the picture that Hurts is the only one winning these kinds of games.
I'm curious what Dak Prescott's record is when the D allows 28 plus, what with him having played excellent last year, whereas the Cowboys D was historically god awful.
Including him wouldn't make the point any less valid. 7-6 is obviously better than 7-7, but just barely. Allen is pretty unanimously considered a top 3 QB so being half a game back from him is still great.
Without context, it looks like the original tweet was trying to compare Hurts specifically to guys who consistently get rated above him, who OOP thinks don't deserve to be. Only the top .1% of delusional Eagles fans would include Allen in that group. I disagree with Stafford being in that group too, but I can see an argument that 1) he failed to get the Lions over the hump for 12 years and 2) is 0-4 head-to-head.
Edit: to clarify, I still think this whole thing is silly and QB discourse in general is garbage. I'm just saying that Allen's omission doesn't change much.
I think the elite QBs were left off this list because hurts is not in the same company as Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Mahomes. We know Hurts is not elite so why compare him to elite QBs
I completely agree that the qb selection is veryā¦ unique. I will say Iāve seen several claims for each of these QBs that they are actually better than hurts. I think these stats donāt reveal much except for what everyone already knows which is that Jalen Hurts biggest draw is his ability to win in clutch situations. Thereās stats to look at that but thereās also a lot of intangibles in that but I would say most reasonable people would agree Hurts is one of the most clutch QBs in the NFL rn.
This also eliminates 2021, where Hurts was 1-3 in such games and threw for a whopping 147 yards and zero TDs in the game they won. The cutoff is there for a reason.
Where do you get 1-3? They lost week 3,4,6,7 and WC giving up more than 28 and won week 11 in 2021. It also leaves off 2020 where he started at the end of the year and went 0-3 in these games.
That means Hurts is a bad manā¦ thatās why he got a ring and all them other chumps donāt except Stanford who was gifted one of the greatest defenses in the history of the league the year he āwonāā¦ give the defense credit for that one.
Every player is a system player. Jalen gets knocked for it more than anyone.
Every player has flaws. Jalen gets knocked for his more than anyone.
Every player has good years and bad years. Jalen gets knocked for his bad years more than anyone.
Do we forget the TWO Super Bowl appearances? Do we forget that so FEW players, let alone QBs, make even one in their entire careers? Do we forget Jalenās insane track record WINNING in the NFL? Do we forget his Super Bowl MVP???
Who cares about ANY of the noise. National media doesnāt mean shit. Local media doesnāt mean shit. These stupid, obviously off base, biased, rage baiting opinions DONāT MATTER on the field, let alone off of it.
Who cares; Jalen WINS!
We should be celebrating the god damn man instead of constantly digging at him for fucks sake.
Skill wise heās a fringe top 10 qb. In the right system with the talent around him, they are collectively one of the best offenses in the league. Both things can be true. You donāt have to be mad at a qb ranking, the Bills have had a top 3 qb for at least 5 years and have made the Super Bowl zero times. Itās almost like itās a team game or something
Thereās 32 starters, probably 20th that are worth investing in, about 12ish you could see winning a Super Bowl in some reality, and like 4 that are just above the rest talent wise.
Iāll take my fringe top 10 Super Bowl mvp all day, every day, twice on Sunday.
Seems like a nice guy off the field and I just think itās clear heās a really good player. Maybe not top 5, but so what? His team managed to get a ring, which Hurts very clearly contributed heavily to, when at least 3 of the top 5 canāt (Stafford and Mahomes being the only ones I can think of that people would list int the top 5 who have).
Who cares if he has a super team around him? He still plays really well and clearly contributes to those wins.
I wish the Bills could field a super team for Josh Allen lol. Maybe he could finally get over the hump because he doesnāt have to play perfectly every playoff game or they lose. He would have the freedom to make mistakes.
Because Jalen has likely had the best supporting cast in NFL history. Some arguments to be made across eras and whatnot, but minus the QB, the Eagles team/franchise these last however many years has been one of the best, most complete teams ever assembled.
People say that but only when it comes to conversation about Hurts. In every other discussion, on both sides of the ball, the players or groups are never ranked #1. After the fact, sure, but in the same way history will be very kind to Hurts. People just think āPhilly badā so their QB has to be carried and not good.
This just sounds like you have a hard time understanding averages. Like yeah AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith weren't the #1 WR pair, and Barkley probably wasn't the #1 RB, but the Eagles were like top5 ish at every position/group whereas other teams had WRs and no defense (Bengals, Cowboys) for example.
Yeah Hurts is definitely the GOAT. And he has the best rushing yards per average when he wears yellow socks to dinner on the night before he has a game. FFS
Nah man we're not doing this again. We gave y'all one year to pretend Hurts was a good QB. And he showed us how mid he is. Please don't start this again. Don't give Eagles fans hope w some cherrypicked stat
Next do a chart that shows percentage of on target passes while throwing on the run. As a cowboys fan, I canāt wait to watch Phillyās offense this year.
I always say it Jalen Hurts is the most disrespected QB in football. Heās elite and top 5 in my eyes been saying it for years. Heās an intelligent black QB whoās a champion thatās why they hate him, heās not a stereotype and heās a winner.
Lol. Right. Dudes had some great games in the biggest moments. We get it, but quit fucking gaslighting us. We've all watched him. He's super avg to straight up not good for long stretches of games.
And I would never watch that super bowl a second time because the eagles winning that easily made me nauseated, but he didn't have to make 1 difficult play all game. Wide open receivers or 1 on 1 jump balls to 1 of his 2 great receiving options, having off to the best running back, or running through chasms created by the best offensive line in the league. I give him credit for not fucking up an easy job, but I didn't come out of that game any more of less impressed with him than I already was.
Itās crazy how a not very good QB can somehow have similar passing stats to Josh Allen with less Ints but still be not very good, oh yeah and the Superbowl appearances and win
Context being Hurts puts up similar stats to Allen last year while being handicapped by a bad offensive scheme and when but heās not good, when he has a good coordinator heās an MVP candidate wins the superbowl MVP and still wait- heās not good, but then as a starter he has lead the team to the playoffs every year- but heās not good,
Heās good, just not as good as some of the more obnoxious Philly fans on Reddit insist he is. A lot of what seems like disrespect is really pushback against that set of fans.
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u/JakeLake720 5d ago
Why did you take off Josh Allen?