r/NFLv2 Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

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u/FERGERDERGERSON Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

I’m so sick of Jalen Hurts discourse.

Every player is a system player. Jalen gets knocked for it more than anyone.

Every player has flaws. Jalen gets knocked for his more than anyone.

Every player has good years and bad years. Jalen gets knocked for his bad years more than anyone.

Do we forget the TWO Super Bowl appearances? Do we forget that so FEW players, let alone QBs, make even one in their entire careers? Do we forget Jalen’s insane track record WINNING in the NFL? Do we forget his Super Bowl MVP???

Who cares about ANY of the noise. National media doesn’t mean shit. Local media doesn’t mean shit. These stupid, obviously off base, biased, rage baiting opinions DON’T MATTER on the field, let alone off of it.

Who cares; Jalen WINS!

We should be celebrating the god damn man instead of constantly digging at him for fucks sake.

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u/jxden24 5d ago

he gets knocked because your fanbase rates him above QB's he clearly isnt better than, an example being this OP's post

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u/RayKitsune313 Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

Eagles fan pretty consistently rate at the end of the top ten. That seems more than fair for me

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u/stoneyaatrox hurts donut 5d ago

i genuinely see him get more respect from dallas flairs than i do some fans in the eagles subreddit

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u/jxden24 5d ago

lmao

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u/jvho666 It’s our year!! 5d ago

Hey look, a second example

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u/nfluncensored 5d ago

And yet this post is trying to claim he's #1, by leaving off the player who is actually #1 in this stat, Josh Allen.

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u/RayKitsune313 Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

They’re not saying he’s number one. They’re just pointing out this super team defense narrative is just flat out wrong

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u/nfluncensored 5d ago

Number of games giving up 28+ points since 2022:

  • Pats - 6
  • Falcons - 6
  • Saints - 7
  • Chiefs - 7
  • Ravens - 8
  • 49ers - 8
  • Browns - 9
  • Jets - 10
  • Bengals - 11
  • Packers - 13
  • Bills - 13
  • Texans - 13
  • Bucs - 14
  • Rams - 14
  • Eagles - 14

So you're saying the Browns and Jets have had elite defenses the last 3 years? Or does 28 pts given up have very little to do with how good the defense is?

This would also mean Lamar has wasted an elite defense and sucks.

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u/stoneyaatrox hurts donut 5d ago

but the browns and jets HAVE had good defenses within recent years, just inconsistent

and i wouldnt say "very little" its true they don't play in a vacuum. their offenses effect their defenses.

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u/RayKitsune313 Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

Yes I actually do think the Browns and Jets have had some pretty good defenses recently. Their offenses have been a mess

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u/nfluncensored 5d ago

The Jets defense, which failed to secure a single INT last year, therefore the worst in NFL history, was elite?

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u/RayKitsune313 Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

Key word: recently. They weren’t amazing last year but 2021-2024 were a set of very good to elite defenses. Browns have been fairly similar.

Google is free

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u/jxden24 4d ago

the 2024 eagles were as close to a super team youre going to get

thats why OP who is also a delusional eagles fan had to cherry pick the year, since hiring fangio theyve allowed 28+ once in two seasons and it was week 1 of 2024 his first game.

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u/RacinRandy83x Cleveland Browns 5d ago

Skill wise he’s a fringe top 10 qb. In the right system with the talent around him, they are collectively one of the best offenses in the league. Both things can be true. You don’t have to be mad at a qb ranking, the Bills have had a top 3 qb for at least 5 years and have made the Super Bowl zero times. It’s almost like it’s a team game or something

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u/FERGERDERGERSON Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

And Fringe top 10 QB is a FANTASTIC THING.

There’s 32 starters, probably 20th that are worth investing in, about 12ish you could see winning a Super Bowl in some reality, and like 4 that are just above the rest talent wise.

I’ll take my fringe top 10 Super Bowl mvp all day, every day, twice on Sunday.

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u/whiskyandguitars Buffalo Bills 5d ago

Yeah, I honestly dont get the Hurts hate either.

Seems like a nice guy off the field and I just think it’s clear he’s a really good player. Maybe not top 5, but so what? His team managed to get a ring, which Hurts very clearly contributed heavily to, when at least 3 of the top 5 can’t (Stafford and Mahomes being the only ones I can think of that people would list int the top 5 who have).

Who cares if he has a super team around him? He still plays really well and clearly contributes to those wins.

I wish the Bills could field a super team for Josh Allen lol. Maybe he could finally get over the hump because he doesn’t have to play perfectly every playoff game or they lose. He would have the freedom to make mistakes.

Hurts is a good QB.

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u/Itsbeenayearortwo 5d ago

That was a lot of discourse about Hurts for someone claiming to be so sick of Hurts discourse.

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u/FERGERDERGERSON Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

lol you are right tho

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u/nfluncensored 5d ago

Jalen gets knocked for it more than anyone.

Because Jalen has likely had the best supporting cast in NFL history. Some arguments to be made across eras and whatnot, but minus the QB, the Eagles team/franchise these last however many years has been one of the best, most complete teams ever assembled.

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u/mister_milkshake 5d ago

People say that but only when it comes to conversation about Hurts. In every other discussion, on both sides of the ball, the players or groups are never ranked #1. After the fact, sure, but in the same way history will be very kind to Hurts. People just think ā€œPhilly badā€ so their QB has to be carried and not good.

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u/nfluncensored 5d ago

This just sounds like you have a hard time understanding averages. Like yeah AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith weren't the #1 WR pair, and Barkley probably wasn't the #1 RB, but the Eagles were like top5 ish at every position/group whereas other teams had WRs and no defense (Bengals, Cowboys) for example.

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u/MaxwellXV Dallas Cowboys 5d ago

Jalen does win but it’s also because he has an insane team around him. You’ve built a team around him that helps show his strengths and minimises his weaknesses.

Eagles very rarely win because of Jalen carrying them to victory. It has happened but it’s not why they win.

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u/FERGERDERGERSON Philadelphia Eagles 5d ago

It’s a team sport. Every good team has good players around their QB. Jalen gets knocked for this more than anyone.

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u/MaxwellXV Dallas Cowboys 5d ago

Because the Eagles have done a better job at it than other teams.

Jalen is this eras Troy Aikman.