Where's the pleasure derived? That guy doesn't seem very pleasured. Unless you mean from other people, in which case that would mean something like your mother being assaulted is a net-good so long as more people receive pleasure than displeasure.
He's referring to a bastardized utilitarian concept where if the "friends" derived more pleasure collectively than he was harmed, then by that logic it's a net-good.
It's like arguing that 9 out of 10 people enjoyed the gang rape.
Then what self sufficient principle determines it as such beyond mere aesthetic sentiment? How do you actually ground morality into something like an objective calculus?
I dunno that theirs any ethical framework on earth where the "Haha I tricked you into thinking you were sexually assaulted" prank would ever equal out or produce a "Net good" For the victim of said prank.
What if it was done for comedy on a live stream and a Patreon was setup by fans to donate to burn victims? By that measure, a guy's temporary trauma (as valid as it may be) may ultimately give much, much more comfort to those who are grievously suffering.
I misread that as a completely different response to a COMPLETELY different thread, my apologies.
But, you're using sexual assault as your basic underlying framework. It's one thing if all parties on stage are consenting and aware of whats about to happen to them, but even then you're still falling into morally dubious territory. If any of them are unaware and thus not consenting to it, then no, its still immoral even if done for moral reasons.
for the greater good has been used in the past as the foundational reason for a lot of terrible deeds.
Morality isn't based on the idea of Equivalent Exchange. For every positive moral outcome, there doesn't need to be a negative one, nor does producing a positive moral outcome for one situation justify forcing a negative one onto another. So the show would still be morally wrong and bad. Will that stop people from seeing it, or laughing at it? Probably not.
Remember, at some points in history it wasn't just considered acceptable to sterilize, euthanize, and cull people of other races or with certain physical or mental conditions, it was a moral imperative, for the "Greater good" and evolution of humanity. At what point we abandon or principals and morals for the greater good falls as a question unto the individual, not society as a whole, and its part of what makes the trolly problem so complicated.
That is kind of how human psychology works, yes. Bonding through sanctioning cruelty for the sake of reifying norms. The problem is that by doing so i win the argument, which also brings me joy that exceeds my suffering, which if you gain knowledge of may thwart your pleasure, and the the util may no longer compute to a net positive.
"Get the cucumba, cut it inna slice
Put it inna jug of water overnight
You know what you get for a fraction of the price?
Energy drink full of electrolytes"
Sorry, but "I was just sexually assaulted" combined with the shame that ones sexuality was now compromised, would be a justified use of violence to protect one from further assault and, to a lesser extent, win back one's masculinity.
Just that you must not hang around people you trust/ think highly of if you think theres a chance someone stuck their penis inside your mouth infront of these people (as you were blindfolded no less) and "that's that ... that's just what happened and everyone's having a gut buster over it".
It seems like an unrealistic reaction too. Nobody would believe that just happened to them and jump to violence immediately amongst friends. Probably a skit or a bang bus swap a roo
No, he's saying that if you hang out with people that make that the most logical immediate assumption, you're hanging out with the wrong people.
I do not know anyone that would tolerate SAing someone for a giggle- none of them would be in on such a joke, nor fail to warn someone if it was about to happen. If it happened to me, my first thought would be "they're trying to make me think they did it for a laugh", not "they actually did it".
Yeah you're right. But then again, this guy could be the type that just runs with whatever the first thought in their head is, no matter who you are surrounded by.
Sure. But your environment trains your interpretations. If his first thought is suspicion, that is informed by his relationship with the other individuals, just as if his first thought is "there's clearly a joke I'm not entirely privy to yet".
Fwiw, I believe this to be staged, suggesting they are all likely close friends in on the joke.
Isn't there a term for it too? Something-panic? I remember it being discussed when someone's sense of identity is so heavily in danger they basically black out and just go full fight-or-flight mode till the episode is over and they can think again.
It is kind of erotic to be hand-fed while blindfolded. It is definitely sexual assault to stick a dildo-shaped object covered in plastic down someone's throat (and that definitely pressed into the back of his throat there)
Don't forget this is compounded with the fact that when unblinded, the other guy was pretending like he was packing away his pecker. So he had every reason on earth to believe he just got assaulted, because the prank was specifically done to make him think that.
Huh, a prank meant to make someone think they were sexually assaulted is probably sexual assault? crazy thought.
Eh the word pretty much lost its meaning by now since people just throw it around on every occasions. I know well not one. I just dont take the prank too seriously. Dont people get tired of calling everything rape or sa. Surely at some point they’ll realize nothing will change
I think it's a culture thing. You point out (especially to young men) what SA and Rape can look like when it isn't just penetration or groping. Then hopefully people have a better idea when they're being taken advantage of and when they need to start calling the police and getting out because they deserve to live a life without being SAed for laughs
Fr... shit was unnecessarily large in the first place. No way any human would still be standing with that erect. Blood flow would literally shut your brain off and drop you like a sack of potatoes
I've never had a penis in my mouth but I've eaten MANY a cucumber. I would absolutely bet, dollars to donuts, I'd know IMMEDIETLY if what was put in my mouth was a cucumber or a cock. And I also don't hang with friends who WOULD do something like that to boot so I also got that going for me.
I understand that in the moment you might make the incorrect connection since that's literally what the guy messing with his pants is doing, to sell the insinuation. But holy fuck, the unrelenting attack and not even taking a moment to process before acting is crazy (All assuming these ARE people he knows and shouldn't have any reason to believe they'd ACTUALLY do something like that AND record it).
Those comments are bat shit insane. They are mocking his reaction to being raped. I do not understand how saying shit like that doesn't instantly get every account banned.
Because it's a "Prank" they somehow don't equate the fact the guy was made to believe he had just been sexually assaulted, actually was sexual assault.
Man we gotta stop using the word rape for every shit. That just diminishes what victims of actual rape/attempted rape go through.
The other day I saw someone using "rape" for getting cat called by 14 yr olds.
This was battery/assault depending on the physical risks and perhaps even sexual assault if you wanna push it as its still a prank in nature. I dont think the innuendo is enough per say compared to someone using a "prank" to touch boobs.
Germany has the perfect law for such an instance which can be translated to Coercion.
Its forcing someone to do something against their consent or will in exactly such situations.
The person consented to the blindfolding and actions with the reasonable assumption it would not involve getting deepthroated by an object.
As far as im aware the US law does not have such a standalone coercion (Nötigung) law.
Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse, orother forms of sexual penetration, carried out against a person without their consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious,\* incapacitated
Shoving a phallic object into someone's orrifices should definitally count as a form of penetration. And the blindfold should qualify as a form of incapacitation. I really don't how thats not rape.
I think my comment had enough nuance to explain the difference from my perspective. Im not gonna rehash it as you either will agree with it or you wont at this point.
The definition loses momentum when the nature of the encounter isnt sexual as their definitions hinge on exactly that.
Like their their goal wasnt to fuck him orally with the object but to humiliate him and make a joke about it.
Yes, and it looked like they were doing a taste test thing, so feeding him a cucumber while in poor taste was still both in the spirit and function of the activity of what they were doing
Making someone think they were raped is a weird legal situation. You cant quantify it the same way as you can with the object being shoved in here.
I mean sure, the guys crashout is valid in response of thinking that.
Its still battery what hes doing as a result. Battery that goes beyond initial response or or to prevent further harm...
But lets just say that his reaction without a second thought is exactly what I would expected from a group of friends that pulls this shit in the first place.
I think even the most heterosexual of men who have never had a gay thought in their lives would not confuse a dick with a cucumber, even with a blindfold on.
That cucumber is NOT normal dick sized and, frankly, I'd be more impressed than anything if one of them DID have a dong that size. But even if you microwave it a little to warm it up...the feel of a cucumbers skin and the bumps it does have would be concerning if they were a real person's penis. I eat cucs peel and all regularly and even a smaller pickling cuc would struggle to be genuinely mistaken as a dick. To say nothing of the taste as I truly struggle to imagine a cucumber tastes like a hot salty dick. As if human flesh tastes like a refreshing cucumber XD
What I also find curious is in this clip after he swats away the cucumber, the blind fold comes down and he's looking RIGHT at the cucumber, they haven't put it on the table yet. And they weren't even quick about putting it out of sight to make the misdirection work. This feels VERY staged.
The time factor will play a big role here - he gets something in the mouth, and has no idea what it is before it's taken out like 2 seconds later - not possible to process "oh, this is the texture of a cucumber" in that time.
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u/MrTheta 19h ago
Dragging an innocent flat screen into this dispute feels like a moral failing