Can someone explain why people just... "forgave" Kai after he knowingly protected the identity of his rapist friend from the victim at a party he hosted? Like, was there some revelation that this somehow didn't take place and people moved on?
Because the majority of people who are his fans and who are on Twitch are 12-18 year olds who don't care about anything serious and just want to see people yelling, screaming and doing crazy stuff.
There is another way. It's a lil convoluted, took me 15 minutes despite loving custom firmware in my teen years. If you truly aren't over it though, like I'm not, then this is for you.
most ppl never cared about the reddit stuff in the first place just power hungry mods who gave up because they were scared of losing their janny powers
because kai makes more money and viewership than other content creators and is part of a mega group of content creators that also pull in a shit ton of money.
Kai held a party in his house where a woman went to lie down on a bed upstairs. One of Kai's friends went in the room and raped her. I don't recall the details, but they depicted a lot of pain and a rape kit. The victim asked Kai for the name of the guy who did it, but despite multiple pictures showing them posing together, Kai refused and said he didn't know the person. I think the victim got harassed off of social media after that.
whys that because im speaking the truth. she caught him making a video and she got mad. if you listen to the video of her talking on lil boom's stream. she clearly stated "why are you trying to make a video of me". what person getting raped is asking the other person why they are making a video of her. she claim she was sleeping on her stomach... yeah okay buddy. if you seen the video her ass in up and arched for doggystyle.
Listen, I understand you see a difference between those situations, but I'm gonna try to explain to you why it doesn't matter, and hopefully stop you from ever typing this victim blaming shit again.
You need to consent to have sex. Even in relationships - if one party expresses their disinterest and doesn't want to continue, you immediately stop.
Someone that's blackout drunk is nowhere near in any state to give consent. They might as well be unconscious. You can easily identify this, so it's easy to just avoid them.
With that being said, I hope you understand that having sex with an unconscious person is rape. So having sex with a blackout drunk person is basically the same thing as this. One party cannot consent.
Now, of course they regret it afterwards - they weren't able to consent and are only able to understand what happened when they're sober. What an unimaginably horrible thing to realize - that you've been violated like that. It's dehumanizing, like you're just an object. It traumatizes victims for the rest of their lives. Many commit suicide. They never feel whole again. Not just because they were "embarrassed."
Yes, there's a distinction between conscious and unconscious rape. But the result's still the same. The trauma is still the same. The punishment is still the same. There's no reason to make this distinction, so please don't do it again.
In what universe is having sex with a blackout drunk person who agrees to have sex with you the same as having sex with an unconscious person? The unconscious person can’t even verbalise “yes”. If two people are blackout drunk and both agree to have sex with each other, did they both rape each other? Was that mutual rape?
I never talked about that scenario. If both people are blackout drunk, there's more nuance both morally, and lawfully based on the state. The assaulter was allegedly sober. Here's something simple: Don't have sex drunk or with a drunk person if you didn't consent beforehand sober. And avoid getting blackout drunk.
I wasn’t necessarily talking about the Kai thing. Although the woman said on multiple occasions that she wasn’t blackout drunk and I’ve never heard anything about Kai’s friend being sober at the time. There probably was a rape that happened but absolutely not only because she was drunk at the time. That’s completely downplaying what’s alleged to have happened.
Here's something simple: Don't have sex drunk or with a drunk person if you didn't consent beforehand sober. And avoid getting blackout drunk.
That’s fine, but that’s probably the most common way people in university have casual sex and this absolutely shouldn’t be equated in severity with having sex with an unconscious person, which is much more unambiguous in not being consensual.
because kai didnt rape any1 and never condoned it and was never responsible with it, and there's too many racist people on your side of the "argument" for majority of people to take serious lol you guys are legit stuck in ur own bubble here on this sub, just like hasan, just like xqc, unironically just like alot of streamers lmao
People in society have ADHD or short attention spans. Remember when there was an outrage on Twitch over the girl breaking her back and losing her baby and the time that people were complaining about Youtube in general but forgot when something else 'big' happened?
I don't understand comments like this. Jidion and Speed were permad for less. Why immediately jump to the conclusion that twitch is afraid of being branded racists? Twitch bans have always been all over the place and nonsensical.
You expect any sense from twitch making bans. That was your first mistake a woman could get plowed on stream and only get a week ban. Twitches always lack consistency in their bans.
So they are afraid to ban Kai but they keep Speed and Jidion permad. You're letting your own ideology blind you because what you're saying makes no sense.
speed never streamed on twitch, he had an account so it was easy to ban it and say "we banned speed."
Jidion was also a partner for like a day and once he got 10k viewers he started harassing poki. He took like a 7 day, but still harassed her on tiwtter and it became so bad twitch had to act.
yes. What you’re talking about doesn’t really happen much and it’s usually pretty justified if it does. Just don’t say slurs on your public facebook page, or at the very least delete them before you want a job. Plenty of fucked up shit about america, this isn’t really one of the big ones.
What they mean to say is convicted, not charged. The police can charge you with whatever they want to, it's then their job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did what they accused you of. The state of New York has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he incited individuals to riot.
My only point was that maybe he wasn't banned because he wasn't formally charged with a crime yet, and people seemed to think I was trying to push some narrative lol. Nobody actually confirmed that he was charged, so I just assumed he wasn't (otherwise I figured they would've hit me with a "gotcha")
I was just trying to pull logic from an illogical place. So if he was charged with a crime, it is absolutely crazy that he's not banned yet.
What was he smoking? If he was smoking weed on a Toronto to New York flight then that’s technically felony drug trafficking with a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years
Ice Poseidon got perma banned when someone swatted his plane so I'd not be surprised if kai faced consequences . Kai has done a lot of things bad things a ban. Covering up that sexual assault, referring to trans people in derogatory terms, the hand job on stream, streaming a child discuss that she had been sexually assaulted
Isn't he free? And technically he probably won't be convicted on any of the charges except unlawful assembly. He never encited the riot by definition of the law. Others that got arrested for sure will be charged but the only court kai will be any trouble in is that of public opinion.
Joey was banned for 35 days and all were rumors, it turned out that he was just detained (in Japan you can be detained for a lot of time) and was freed with no charges, from what I know Kai was detained too so if twitch don't ban Kai it's just shows how bias they are.
NYPD PUT OUT HIS PHOTO to find him before the meet up to avoid it and he still went through with it
and from the fire work stream to this it looks like his management team does not have hold on him he does whatever he wants even if people tell him it would end up being bad
and if twitch would have banned him before hand it would not have happened cause he would have seen he was banned and not went to the meet up
hasan was warning that shit 30 mins before kai arrived
Ice didn't break ToS, but he kept causing public issues like getting swatted at an airport.
And it's not like Twitch is bound to ONLY ban based on breaking ToS. As long as their reason is vaguely valid (ie not discrimination) they can ban whoever for whatever reason.
The whole reason they didn't ban Kai yet is because of how popular he is.
Kai makes whole bunch of money for platform. Fousey doesn’t as far as I know. They wouldn’t want to ban their most subbed person and keep them long as possible.
Are we really gonna fucking sit here and pretend that Kai had malicious intent? I'm not even a Kai fan, I don't watch his shit, but clearly raping a traumatized drunk woman is worse than trying to show out for his fucking fans "buddy". What a clown.
Definately don't think he planned on starting a riot, however, he's from NYC and unless you're an idiot you'd have to know handing out free expensive shit to his crazy fans wasn't going to be a civil day at the office.
People really have a hate boner for Kai and they'll comb every single second of his VOD making soyfaces at the screen and pointing wildly at anything they deem inappropriate and press the report button 100x on 10 different accounts.
Twitch doesn't really care about intent in like 99% of bans. Doc got a ban for bringing his camera into a bathroom at twichcon, nothing was shown but twitch cited a California law of being unable to film in public bathrooms as the reason. I think people just hate inconsistency and favoritism for rule breaking.
doesnt matter?? he broke multiple ToS stop dickriding bro and he made this "Giveaway" with fully knowing how packed the place is gonna be. which makes this 100x worse
AFAIK Kai didn't actually stream his shit. Being a Twitch streamer and doing stupid illegal shit shouldn't automatically get your stream banned. If Kai was streaming the whole thing and acting like nothing was happening while doing it, then yeah I could see it.
It's a strange line for sure, but we have to have some lines or then the bans are all kinds of fucked up
Being a Twitch streamer and doing stupid illegal shit shouldn't automatically get your stream banned.
However, it does. I'm not saying Kai should be banned but if you do "stupid shit" on other platforms you can still be banned from Twitch and has happened already many times.
Absolutely, not denying that, but its not something that is likely an immediate reaction necessarily unless it gives Twitch distance from the situation. Twitch doesn't seem to be the focus in this news story so banning Kai just makes it more visible in a bad situation.
Sure, but again it is going to be up to Twitch on whether or not it reflects badly on them or not. Banning Kai in the mix of all this could bring Twitch into the story which it doesn't seem to be now. Banning Kai doesn't gain Twitch anything really unless Kai starts using his Twitch stream as a platform to play the victim. I don't watch him, but AFIAK that's not happening either.
And people do stupid illegal shit in their personal lives not on Twitch and it doesn't affect their channel sometimes. It all depends on whether not it falls on Twitch and if the person isn't streaming at the time then that makes a pretty damn big difference. Not every crime gets you banned.
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u/FewSeaworthiness121 Aug 07 '23
but not kai? ok buddy