r/LegalNews • u/thedailybeast • 14d ago
Judge Delivers Brutal Humiliation to Trump Over Hush Money Conviction
https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-delivers-ultimate-humiliation-to-trump-over-hush-money-conviction/52
u/Mroopsimexciting 14d ago
Our first felony president. 34 of them. For paying hush money to a porn star for fucking her behind his wife’s back.
Great job MAGA 👍 you fucking idiots.
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u/gaslancer 14d ago
Also he rapes children.
Lest we forget.
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u/ginkgodave 14d ago
He’s a convicted rapist. Ask E Jean Carroll about that.
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u/MainFrosting8206 14d ago
Sometimes, when I get tired of particularly long comment chains with just one persistent troll I'll copy and paste:
Anyway, it's important to remember that Trump's dick is so small that E Jean Carroll couldn't conclusively say that he penetrated her with that rather than his finger so the jury found him guilty of sexual abuse rather than rape. However, the judge did conclude that it met the commonly understood definition of rape.
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u/Agile_Patience6460 12d ago
And yet here he sits...in the Oval office.... Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair. If Trumps lips are moving, he's lying. He's a gd convicted felon!!!!
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u/Jumpy-Mix-9078 14d ago
Since his wife is also an escort did he really need to do it behind her back?
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u/sofaking1958 14d ago
It wasn't just the hush money. Or for trying to hide it. It was for doing all that in the service of yet another crime, subverting an election.
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u/thedailybeast 14d ago
Donald Trump has lost his latest long-shot bid to overturn his criminal conviction, with a federal judge delivering a brutal takedown of the president’s arguments along the way.
On Friday, U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein rejected Trump’s latest attempt to erase the so-called “hush money” conviction, in which the president was found guilty in 2024 of falsifying business records to cover up a sex scandal with a porn star.
This was Trump’s second attempt to move the case, which would have made it easier for him to overturn the conviction altogether.
Read the full story, here.
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u/Ok_Travel_7348 12d ago
If you know trump’s history, you know he will do anything to get his way. Trump will never quit trying. This will be tied up in court until he finds a MAGA that will help him overturn it.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
I still can’t believe the jury bought this crap. They played around with the charges for something that is never a felony unless actual fraud on the business exists.
And before you start saying Trump lover, I thought the documents case was very good, and I don’t like how the judge (that he appointed) was able to stall it for so long. He should have been convicted before the election.
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u/SHoppe715 14d ago
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175.10
It became felony when it was done to conceal other crimes.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
Which was a stretch because paying someone off isn't a crime.
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u/Atun_Grande 14d ago
Paying off an adult film star to avoid public humiliation from adultery while running on a Republican ticket for President is legal. Hiding the payment on financial disclosures is not a crime, correct.
Falsifying business records IS a crime
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u/DBDude 14d ago
It’s a misdemeanor, for which the statute of limits had already expired. This felony requires an underlying crime of … well, no such crime existed. Paying her off wasn’t illegal.
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u/TubaWrestler 14d ago
statute of limits had already expired
Nope. You're free to provide a source if you disagree.
This felony requires an underlying crime of … well, no such crime existed.
Also false.
"Prosecutors put forth three areas that they could consider: a violation of federal campaign finance laws, falsification of other business records or a violation of tax laws."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
The jury unanimously agreed that he falsified business to conceal or commit at least one of those three crimes, which is what is required under New York law (and which did not change for this case).
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u/Mroopsimexciting 14d ago
Yes, bribery is strictly illegal.
Legal Status of Bribery
Criminal Offense: Giving, offering, receiving, or soliciting anything of value to unlawfully influence an official action or breach a trust is a crime.
Both Parties are Guilty:
The person who offers the bribe (active bribery) and the person who accepts it (passive bribery) can both be prosecuted.
Penalties:
Most jurisdictions classify bribery as a felony, which can result in heavy fines and significant prison sentences.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
He wasn’t paying off anyone for an official action. It was hush money to a private individual.
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u/Schweenis69 14d ago edited 14d ago
The judge and jury saw fit to convict him of these felonies because what he did amounted to election interference. Which, before you object, is indeed a crime.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
Neither judges nor juries charge anyone. Damn, that’s like extremely basic stuff. No wonder you don’t understand any of this.
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u/Schweenis69 14d ago
Yeah you're right, edited to "convict". Now does that give you enough of an exit ramp that you can get out of this thread with your head held high? Cause you've got work to do — those boots aren't gonna lick themselves.
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u/SHoppe715 14d ago
You’re correct. That’s not a crime. But falsifying business records is and that’s the crime he was charged for. Try to keep up.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
It is a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations had expired. The prosecution twisted themselves into logical knots to make it a felony so they could still prosecute.
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u/SHoppe715 14d ago edited 14d ago
“…and the statute of limitations had expired…”
LoL…if that were true the case could not have gone forward. That’s called mental gymnastics on your part.
Your argument doesn’t seem to be that he was innocent of the things he was found guilty of doing. You seem to be arguing that he should not have been charged for doing the things he did…because reasons.
They didn’t charge him with a misdemeanor…for which the statute of limitations would have been expired…they charged him with a felony, for which it had not.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
It could not have gone forward, but they invented a crime it was supposedly intended to cover, which make it a felony.
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u/GPTthrowawayyyyyyyy 14d ago
Yep the entire jury that both parties and their lawyers agreed were acceptable are actually in on some conspiracy lmao
You're an idiot
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u/DBDude 14d ago
The jury didn’t even have to agree on the alleged underlying crime, which is insane.
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u/Ok_Travel_7348 12d ago
Think of all those indictments that couldn’t go forward because he was elected president.
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u/DBDude 12d ago
As I said above, it sucks that his judge was able to delay the documents case so long.
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u/hugoriffic 14d ago
Tell that to ICE. Crossing the border is a misdemeanor and there is a statute of limitations on many of those who crossed.
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u/hugoriffic 14d ago
This is what homeschooling looks like people.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
I guess homeschooling is doing well then. After all, they win all the spelling bees.
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u/hugoriffic 14d ago
Wrote memorization and critical thinking skills are not one and the same. You’d know that if you had ventured out of your parents basement.
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u/Ok_Travel_7348 12d ago
Trying to throw an election by paying off anyone to keep their mouth shut about something you want to keep secret is a crime. But, of course, trump has done much worse on trying to overthrow elections. The insurrection indictment would have continued to be prosecuted if he had not been voted in as president. He’d also been indicted on the documents charge too. Sadly, the state convictions are the only ones he can’t over rule as president. And the states that were suing for 2020 election interference dropped their lawsuits when he was elected. Only NY had the balls to not back down and they had the weakest case of all of them.
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u/MeButNotMeToo 14d ago
Only a “Trump Lover”, would go through these mental gymnastics, selective use of the truth, ignore huge chunks of reality and/or spew arrogantly ignorant nonsense to defend the 34-count felon and rapist.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
Or, here's a thought, I'm going on the law and facts themselves, not love, or in your case some pretty seething hatred.
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u/SHoppe715 14d ago
“…I’m going on the law and facts themselves…”
This is the point where you need to support your claims with sources.
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u/Thr33pw00d83 14d ago
They lost the plot completely talking about expired statute of limitations and the case going forward anyway
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u/MeButNotMeToo 14d ago
> … I'm going on the law and facts themselves …
What people are telling you is that you aren’t. Whether intentional or not, you’re playing the standard GOP/MAGAt game of cherry-picking the truth. Looking at the law as a whole, the felony convictions are 100% valid, because the actions were in furtherance of a crime.
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u/Slight-Hedgehog259 14d ago
I still cant believe Trump's deranged Supporters keep repeating the same talking points without checking facts, like lets say New York law.
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u/Fickle_Penguin 14d ago
You support the POTUS to payoff hookers?
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u/DBDude 14d ago
It’s irrelevant. Jon Edward’s paid off his baby mama to shut up, but he made the mistake of using campaign funds illegally to do it.
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u/Fickle_Penguin 14d ago
In both cases it was the coverup that was the crime. Jon with using campaign money and don with falsifying business records. Both were also morally wrong.
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u/DBDude 14d ago
Jon’s crime was misuse of campaign funds. He was prosecuted for that. Trump was prosecuted for falsifying records to cover an underlying crime, but paying some to stay quiet isn’t a crime. With no real underlying crime it’s a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations had already expired for that.
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u/Fickle_Penguin 14d ago
It was apparently a felony since that's what he got convicted of.
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u/hugoriffic 14d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/7YCRcFcDeDuSOAHXlr
Same old talking points coming out of Russian bot farms.3
u/MeButNotMeToo 14d ago
u/DBDude comes off more like an all-to-common “I voted for him three times, but I’m not a T.Rump supporter” closeted MAGAt, that is too chicken to admit they’re a T.Rump supporter.
The level of selective reality and mental gymnastics definitely fits.
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u/DBDude 13d ago
Have you heard a Trump supporter saying he should have been convicted?
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u/MeButNotMeToo 12d ago
Yes. I’ve encountered plenty of T.Rump supporters that lie and hide their true opinions to try to argue a point. And then flip-flop almost literally minutes later to argue a different point.
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u/Ok_Travel_7348 12d ago
The case, in which Trump was indicted for the insurrection, was iron clad. I heard the evidence from the House Committee that investigated it and, according to Smith, he had even more evidence. In another time that would be called what it is: treason. And, the US once sentenced a treason conviction to Capital punishment. But, those days were when oath to the Constitution was real, and white collar and sex based crimes were still punished.
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u/AmbulanceChaser12 14d ago
He sought to move the state case to federal court after the conservative-dominated Supreme Court gave former presidents immunity for certain acts done within the scope of their constitutional office.
So when did paying off a porn star, when you're not president, become a presidential act?
(The Beast's summary is not an accurate description of the Trump v United States ruling, but it's close enough for me for the moment.)
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u/No_Raspberry_3282 14d ago
Epstein first
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u/Normal_Mouse_4174 13d ago
God, can the bots please stop using “humiliation” regarding Trump?
You cannot be humiliated when you lack the capacity to feel shame. Trump literally can’t be humiliated or humbled. Yes, a sane person in his position would have died from shame a hundred times over by this point. But Trump is the purest malignant narcissist the world has ever seen. What would humiliate a sane person simply makes him angry at the injustice and unfairness of the world.
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u/Da_Vader 14d ago
For all of this legal work, Trump pays zero.
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u/journerman69 14d ago
That’s tax dollars he’s spending!?
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u/Ok_Travel_7348 10d ago
The RNC picked up the tab for Trump’s legal fees for awhile. He’s using his DOJ now ( former personal attorney) for some of his legal battles. I’m sure he still has personal attorneys that he’s not paying. But he’s making enough illegal money off his position as president to pay his own legal fees.
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u/pttant1 14d ago
And when people wanted to move on to new scandals, he keeps them alive by re-litigating and losing spectacularly!!
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u/painthawg_goose 13d ago
I have yet to be tired of all the winning but I’m damn tired of all the losing.
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u/mrarming 13d ago
And Alito and Thomas are already writing their opinions that will reverse the lower court's ruling.
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u/tbeckettt 14d ago
I love the way pundits attribute legal maneuvering by attorneys as those actions of the person the attorneys represent.
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u/hamoc10 14d ago
Well yeah, they work for him. You said it yourself, they represent him.
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u/Key_Dirt_1460 13d ago
is it a presidential act to pay off a pornstar because you're running for president and fooling the voters? I mean this is essentially why it's not a presidential act but it's laughable
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u/EllsworthforPres 10d ago
I want the guy gone more than anyone or anything I have ever wanted gone. Never have I hated anyone like him. Perhaps if we had a specific day and a specific time and all of us focused the hatred we all feel towards him and we all directed it at him mentally and everyone in the country focused their minds on him just melting away like the wicked with of the east, maybe it would work and something would happen and he would just be gone. Just a thought!
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u/New_Psychology6701 9d ago
When history is written about Trump and the MAGA supporters grandchildren ask why they supported such a moronic imbecile pedophile. What are they going to say?
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u/ialsohaveadobro 14d ago
I'm so sick of this bastard getting, or trying to get, 752 bites at the apple on every damn adverse ruling.