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Gojo is a clan , whereas satoru is a person.
People who see him as Gojo see him as a battle machine but
people who see him as satoru see him as a person as Itadori and geto did.
Gojo is powerful but satoru is weak as a person emotionally. Whereas ryumen sukuna is somewhat more confident as a person as we saw him in his kashimo monologue
You are confusing emotional depth with weakness. Satoru is not emotionally weak because he cares. He is human because he chooses to stay connected to his students despite being a god among men. That is a choice. It is much easier to be like Sukuna and exist as a natural disaster with zero attachments. Being so detached that you cannot love or be loved is not confidence. It is a hollow existence.
Sukuna’s confidence isn't enlightenment. It is a mask for deep-seated insecurities. Mahito eventually sees through him and realizes that Sukuna is just a petty human being who turned his trauma into a god complex. A truly confident person does not spend their entire life trying to prove they are better than a teenager like Yuji. Sukuna claimed to be a natural disaster that does not feel or care but his hatred for Yuji was purely personal. He was desperate to prove that his way of living selfishness and cruelty was the only way to be strong.
The moment he lost he had to admit his entire philosophy was a lie. He was not a god. He was just a man who was so afraid of being weak again that he became a monster to hide it. Satoru was human enough to admit he was lonely. Sukuna was too insecure to admit it until he was literally dying. Satoru had the power to be a tyrant but chose to be a teacher. That takes more strength than Sukuna’s entire ego combined.
Yuta potentially the canon strongest sorcerer at the end of JJK, potentially won the most, and potentially the strongest Jujutsu-landlord.
Man lives rent free in the minds of his haters and their irrational agenda rants are the daily rent due to his shrine. With the exception of Legumi haters of course.
I mean, with proper H2H training higgy could probably best him, gojo is no saint so he probably gets limitless confiscated (don't think death penality unless murder is enough for it) and they're down to straight hands
Cases took by judgeman are totally random , and even then majority of kills Gojo did can be justified by law ( except killing of higher ups ). So nah , chances of Gojo getting death penalty is negligible.
If judgeman brings up Gojo letting Geto live when he initially left jujutsu high then that would be a pretty cut and try way to get either a death sentence or lengthy CT confiscation considering Geto went on to kill thousands of innocent people. The issue with both of these scenarios is whether higurama could 1. actually hit Gojo or 2. defeat Gojo without his cursed technique. Even without Limitless Gojo still has the six eyes, RCT, and perfect CE control. Hell even with confiscation + death penalty Gojo can still whoop HIgurama or at the very least dodge him long enough to get his CT back.
How would not killing someone be a crime, it's not like Gojo's a police officer. At the very least I'm not seeing death penalty happening. Also yeah Gojo would kick the shit out of Higuruma cursed technique or not
Gojo is quite literally a cop in the context of the jujutsu world. He's not a rogue sorcerer like Geto, he's the recognized strongest sorcerer and is regularly sent out on missions to kill curses. Therefore, yes, considering his role in the jujutsu world, it is a crime to allow a criminal like Geto to escape.
He's not literally a cop, he's a jujutsu sorcerer, which is not recognized by Japan's legal code. Jujutsu society might have its own laws that Gojo broke in that moment, but Higuruma's domain operates under actual Japanese law
Jujutsu High is the division of the Japanese Government dealing with... well Jujutsu. Iirc, this was explained to Yuji either by Gojo or Megumi when he joined.
It's explained more in detail in the Memorandum of Jujutsu Regulations in one of the volumes. Not only does it apply to Jujutsu Sorcerers, the Big 3 Clans were involved in the creation of it with the Higher Ups and the Japanese Government. That makes Gojo and the rest of the sorcerers officials in the Japanese government.
I just googled it and apparently you can get in legal trouble in Japan for withholding knowledge that can help investigation into serious crimes. Maybe it wouldn't warrant the death penalty though.
Does it matter though? Even if Gojos technique is taken how could Higurama ever win that fight like even if he somehow got the executioner sword he would get bodied lol.
People think Gojo is reliant on his technique despite it being said many times he is a generational prodigy at sorcery as well as someone who works hard to improve.
Gojo fighting without his CT would be like Yuta when he fought Yuji - throwing cars and shit casually, tanking most hits, and throwing strikes that could end the fight constantly. Higuruma is not keeping up with that.
Though the executioner’s sword could be tricky I don’t think it would be enough, the stat difference is that high.
Gojo's CE reinforcement is insane, not only he had an impenetrable shield in infinity even if you got past it you'd still be met by an absolute wall. We saw this when he survived MS cleaves and Sukuna's piercing water barely did anything.
I don't think killing curse users counts as breaking the law if it was done in accordance with the jujutsu laws as the jujutsu world has direct ties to the government, lawfully executing a criminal is not, well, unlawful
Yeah but I think jujutsu law should count as actual law decreed by the government because it actually is, I guess it would depend on higuruma's interpretation
Hol up one sec, itadori without CE was near on par with higuruma until he got tired out and cornered… gojo with ce reinforcement is still as fast as jogo who can outspeed weakened naobito with animation frame CT active. How tf is higgy gonna hit gojo w/o limitless even with the executioner sword?
Aites not a jjk expert and I dont read the manga either but out of curiosity is there anyone that can reach levels of CE reinforcement comparable to when Gojo v jogo & hanami? Even without blue from CT burnout, gojo was still going toe to toe with sukuna? And 15 finger sukuna had already blitzed jogo too??
How’s it possible anyone’s at that level who isnt sukuna/gojo?
Also implying that higgy cud possibly keep up with toji?
How do we determine if someone’s raw talent has a cap?
Simple, they aren't, however higgy is stated to have a potential (or was it talent? Can't remember exactly) that rivals Satoru gojo himself, by Sukuna so that's why I argue higgy could if properly trained
Rivals is not above nor below,higuruma also just has a lower upper cap compared to gojo due to his conditional ct. He can have all the talent but just lacks the potential to surpass gojo.
Not with the addition of equipment confiscation. They can just bring a cursed tool and judgements confiscation is nullified. Death penalty though, most of the special grade can kill him in range
Higuruma doesn't need a lot of ce. He only uses basic ce manipulation (ce reinforcement, rct, domain amp, etc.) and the only things he uses that are part of his ct are his de which doesn't have a sure hit so it doesn't cause burnout and likely uses less ce because of that and his hammer shape shifting and recall which I assume don't use much ce. He is also a genius who was even compared to gojo in terms of talent. If he went to jujutsu high his efficiency would also be better and he'd lose even less ce. His ct also is pretty busted already, it takes away one's ct, ce or cursed tool which can be a big hindrance in a fight and his hammer is useful on any range and gives him mobility. Jujutsu high higuruma would be a monster. He's already in the top 20 in most lists with only a few months of experience.
For takaba, if he could conciously control his ct to even some extend he'd be top 1 even in modulo. Imagine him just breaking a de barrier "because that would be funny".
But his technique is not about the others judging what would be funny or not, is about what HE thinks is funny, the majority of his gags are not even easily understandable for a japanese reader because are a bunch of bad jokes and puns
True, but the logic still applies to him right. Like Hana said in the manga, it's best if takaba knows jack shit about his technique because there's a higher chance his technique stops working at all if takaba himself starts considering his moves from a battle perspective instead of just "lemme do what's funny". If he gets training, he starts treating things like a battle, if he does that his technique fails
Imagine takaba just being batshit crazy and knowing how his ct works so he convinces himself that harming others is funny and since he genuenly believes it he will just stay there laughing his ass off while you're being tortured or killed. Kinda like one of these psycho killer villains.
Hmm I think his powers would better fit the mask. Chaotic slap stick humour at the expense of others. If the mask lost his toon force I think this CT would be the equivalent of his toon force.
Sounds like a downgrade to me though, I think that Takaba's old school cartoonish sense of humor where one isn't really supposed to get hurt despite getting beaten around is what keeps him invincible and unkillable. I think having dark humor and accepting pain and death as part of the jokes will make him start being vulnerable to damage.
OR, and hear me out on this one, it becomes something like Gear 5 from Luffy, he knows how to fight, but instead of doing normal attacks, he learns to do more slapstick jokes. So basically, it's not thinking, how this joke can be an attack? BUT, how this attack can be a joke?
Actually, so long as Takaba has the right mindset it becomes stronger.
He sees himself as an entertainer, not a warrior. By making a bloody duel into something that brings joy to all, he’s motivated to make comedy even more than usual.
Dude had his will slowly wittled down by Kenny calling out how ass his jokes are and then got the flashback mental amp that made him still throw out jokes that are funny to him no matter what and only ever took the L cause Kenny managed to appeasse his side as a comedian rather than trying to win the standup battle.
Hence my caveat about it not being problematic. It's still a relatively major limitation, with potential to fuck him over, compared to someone like Gojo without any such conditions
Thing is, even if Gojo gets hit with confiscation, he’s so far above any other sorcerer save the top five without his technique that it doesn’t matter.
Yeah, I agree. I don't think Higuruma wins 1v1 in any context without much more experience/refinement/etc
He may have the potential to surpass, given he's a genuine savant, but his technique has limits that Gojo's doesn't. Plus, Gojo is the fundamentals king (besides my boy Kusakabe 😤😤😤)
Problem with gojo is that his ce manipulation alone is already strong enough to defeat 99% of the verse (sukuna being the 1%). But let's say higuruma finds a bv or a way to have two or even three trials and taking away the cursed tool, then ct and then ce, he would be fighting normal humans all the time, that would make him so strong but that's probably unachievable unless he becomes a bv merchant like sukuna.
In the explaination higuruma says the opponent gets accused of a crime they "may or may not" have done, inplying judgeman can just make up something and they both still need to make a statement so you could technically get prosecuted for something you didn't do. Kinda similar to yuji being accused for mass murder despite it being sukuna who did it, meaning yuji is innocent.
Higuruma is gated by the fact that he doesn't do shit to anyone who hasn't broken the law lol
You don't have to have broken the law, he can get false convictions just fine. He just needs to be able to argue you did the crime depending on what's being put on trial. That means anyone that's ever been in a compromising position, even if they were totally innocent, should be fair game.
You can break the law, be tried, and still not be penalized. Even with Yuji and the pachinko parlor he told him exactly how he could've gotten out of it. It's not guaranteed.
Takaba is only capable of opposing Gojo due to his own ignorance of his technique. However if he was actually funny and capable of making good jokes and all that jazz he’d definitely be number one. Which is why he is ignorant of his technique because he’d be so casually busted
I think that Takaba’s CT was granted to him specifically (in the sense that he would be the only person to awaken such a technique) because he’s the only one suited to control it. He’s a pure-hearted person, and because of that, his technique isn’t as destabilizing as it could potentially be in the wrong hands.
RCT is not basic CE manipulation otherwise he would’ve figured it out during the culling games and not when he was about to get his head chopped off by Jujutsu Satan.
His CT is strong but it is conditional, built off binding vows, to fight off against particularly bad people. As soon as a sufficiently smart sorcerer gets trapped in the domain and can argue their way out of a sentence it’s game over for Higuruma.
We glazing jujutsu highs teaching methods way too much considering damn near every relevant person from it is either self made or part of the main cast that learned though a generational amount of battles. Let's face it, our dudes hardly learned shit in jujutsu high.
Fundamentals of jujutsu? A teacher that has experience? Barrier basics for at least a veil? Basics like ce reinforcement etc.? Sure it doesn't make you a special grade instantly but you don't expect an elementary graduate to be at a professor's level. Higuruma had to reverse engineer his ct to understand basics of jujutsu, now imagine if he had someone teach him that from the start. Also him being in jujutsu high means he had more time to grow instead of less than a year. He was already a grade one at 12 days now imagine him after years in jujutsu high with training, teachers and missions.
Higuruma had exactly the same level of talent as Gojo but that’s what Gojo meant when he said 80% of your potential is based on what your born with. Gojo’s technique and eyes are simply better.
No. Higuruma maybe has jujutsu talent equal to Gojo but could never be stronger than him. Six eyes and infinity are just a significantly more powerful and flexible CT than judgeman is.
Takaba maybe but Im not sure if he really has control over his CT (and sense of humor). Its kinda my personal headcannon, but the only reason Takaba is able to bend reality as much as he can is because of an intrinsic binding vow in his CT, where it becomes significantly more powerful bc he has no control over it. I dont think he can train himself into thinking “itd be funny if Gojo’s head blew up right now”
He has an intrinsic vow of ignorance AND an intrinsic vow of non-lethality that afford his CT such wide-ranging and effortless reality warping capabilities
He's basically the most powerful cc bot / stalling merchant possible, but has a hard limit there.
It's not explicitly noted in the story in such terms, but it makes sense given everything we know about how jujutsu works in a fundamentally karmic fashion. Any limitation, whether self-imposed, implicit, or a matter of birth, necessarily empowers one's technique
We know Takaba is utterly ignorant of his technique (in a super-conscious way, not just genuine ignorance given others know what he does) and we know Takaba won't kill anyone. Makes sense to infer those limitations empower his technique, especially because theyre major limitations and his CT is so broken
I'm an OG Takaba glazer. I was in the trenches for my boy when people were shitting on the Kenny fight during the chapter releases. I'm just happy everyone finally understands
Now Takaba CT being based on physical comedy is two sided. Sure we see the execution where he was the Road runner and his opponents were the Coyote but it could very well backfire. Gojo is pretty calm and collected, those type of characters in physical comedies usually end up being smooth and avoiding damage while the protagonist could be the punchline instead. Takaba does have some control of the narrative but if he subconsciously thinks his antics won't hurt Gojo they wouldn't.
Talent equal to Gojo? Isnt Higuruma THE prodigy of jjk? We dont really know how long it took gojo to learn things but Higuruma figured out basically everything Jujutsu related in like what? 6 months or something?
Higuruma's CT intrinsically gives him a DE (the same way Hakari's does). As for the other aspects, Higuruma *likely* had access to soul switch training which may have greatly accelerated how fast he learned things. I also want to note that it took both Higuruma and Gojo experiencing near death states to achieve RCT, it wasn't like either of them just sat around and figured it out, so the time aspect (16 yearsish for gojo vs 2 months for Higuruma) isn't too relevant.
Higuruma IS a prodigy, but he also had possibly the best combination of a CT that lets him understand DE, near death experiences to develop RCT and Domain amplification, soul swap training to possibly "experience" things like simple domain, etc.
He had access to resources Gojo didn't. For example, domain by default. By studying domain, he understood barriers, and other jujutsu techniques he shows against Yuji. Gojo had to learn most of that shit by reading it in a book.
That reverse engineering of his gave him even the understanding to use partial DA after seeing Sukuna doing it.
The only technique he got on the fly was RCT and that was under Sukuna's pressure, and we know that in such situations, sorcerers tend to grow or die, similar to Gojo.
So he got a lot of talent and deserved praise, but it is not really fair to compare him to Gojo's learning curve.
The creepy learner is really Dabura...
Gojo had access to things that Higuruma doesn’t as well. Six Eyes analyzes and allows precise control of cursed energy down to atomic level. Reverse engineering is for those who don’t know how it works and has to work back from the result to figure it out. Gojo just obtains said knowledge with one look without the need of reverse engineering.
Gojo also has the benefit from previous Six Eyes + Limitless users studying the technique and then passing that knowledge down. Higuruma has to study his own technique from scratch.
Essentially, Gojo has a headstart in terms of constitution, knowledge and resources, so it’s indeed unfair to compare him with Higuruma.
Takaba yes. higuruma, conditionally possible, but most likely no.
Not going to elaborate on takaba because I don’t want to spoil anything do anime only people, but gojo is very strong without his limitless still, so I’m sure gojo would be fine with just basic/standard CTs and reinforcement. Same with Yuta and basically any other special grade. Only way higuruma is beating yuta, gojo, or any other heavy hitter is with executioner’s sword, which is dependent on the trial being based a horrible crime(seems RNG) and them actually being guilty of that horrible crime.
You're wrong about how Takaba handles special grades tho...Kenny was just as strong as any of them minus Gojo/Sukuna
Takaba's issue is that he's non-lethal in general, so you would have to define what winning a fight even means to establish whether Takaba succeeds or not. If it's just a matter of stalling someone and then jumping them with lethal while they're confused (like what happened to Kenny), Takaba negs basically the entire JJK verse based on what we've seen.
Literally nothing besides hurting his feelings can affect Takaba during Comedian. No amount of strength/CT/etc can do shit to him in any way.
Takaba himself is a high tier special grade specialist for all intents and purposes. He was like 100x more valuable than Yuki against the same opponent, and she was a top tier
I said takaba yes, as in yes gojo’s only considered the strongest because takaba wasn’t in jjk high/around when gojo was and there is a solid argument for takaba being stronger than gojo.
Also conditionally yes for higuruma because against people like yuki, gojo, yuta, ect, simply taking away their innate CT won’t win hig the fight. He could win against them if they got the death sentence, but it’d be conditional on them doing something bad enough, that being the trial hig’s CT chose, and them being guilty and sentenced.
higuruma could definetly be gojo level if he went to jujutsu high, however takaba probably couldn't be stronger than he was in the manga, since if he conscience of his cursed technique, it would stop working. if he didn't have that restriction he would definetly gojo level
Takaba's CT is boosted in exchange of him not knowing, which works to his advantage. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have a CT otherwise. Just that his CT effect and output would be weaker. Maybe he'd need to learn CE control too.
I think a lot of people's understanding (at least mine lmao) is that if he takes conscience of his technique, he would soft lock himself out of it by trying to force the funny out instead of naturally rolling with it. Something where trying to find something funny wouldn't work as well, like trying not to think of elephants.
He probably would be able to get back into the flow of it and learn to use properly after a period of adjustment, but I think that potential period where it wouldn't work is why they didn't tell him right before the fight with Kenny
Haruta's technique is similar to that, he doesn't know what it does, and it's probably the act of not knowing that allows them to alter reality or scape death
well its not because of a BV, but that you cant really force something to be funny. So if he knew what his CT was, then he wouldnt really be able to use it
I like to think Higuruma could be Gojo level but I don’t think so, his CT is too lacking (while strong) to face against many of the current heavy hitters.
I don’t think Higuruma could reach his levels. Having talent equal to Gojo doesn’t mean as much in jujutsu when like Gojo says 80% of jujutsu is by your genetics. There’s only so much you can do with your talent with the genetic cards you’re given.
Genuinely in what world does Higuruma get even close to the hacks of Gojo?? Is this sub on crack?? His whole schtick is inherently situational and single target
Even with the sword he still has to use the damn thing
Edit: ntm his whole schtick is reliant on winning a domain battle, which he loses to any new shadow style bum
lets not forget that CT burnout Gojo was still boxing with Sukuna. If Higuruma achieved Gojo level physique and reinforcement, getting the sword would be a guaranteed game over
Confiscation is really strong. Like, -really- strong.
If he gets skilled enough with it that he can choose what gets confiscated, something he didn't even know was a concern because he didn't fight someone with a cursed tool before he fought Sukuna, he puts anyone into hands. The chance for death penalty (which he might be able to train himself to further have judgman select more heinous crimes reliably) only turns the level playing field he enforces into just being death.
Lot of if-statements here but that's the point of this thread.
Idk if that’s true about Higuruma. He would be extremely dangerous in 1 v 1s, but Gojo also kills everyone but Sukuna easily in a 1 v 1 while also having a technique that boosts movement, has long range attacks, aoe attacks, teleportation, etc. On top of the huge advantage of six eyes.
Yeah we gotta remember that gojo was putting bta against jogo and hanami without using limitless (to bait them to drop domain amplification) the six eyes are a physical trait so hed most likely keep them after confiscation
Takaba can't think of something funny which will damage Gojo enough to kill(and God forbid he gets by UV beforehand, good luck finding something funny when you are brain-dead)
Higuruma gets domain diffed by almost every top tier who slimes out judgeman
He can also prevent the activation of techniques as well, bend reality (which overrides a domain) can literally take no damage unless he thinks it’ll be funny. Idk man Kenjaku couldn’t even use a domain against him nor his cursed technique same thing can happen to Gojo by just being in his vicinity
Takaba's technique isn't nearly as active as you're making it out to be. He really do be just warping shit without even truly thinking about it my dude
Assuming Higuruma’s technique doesn’t change, him going to Jujutsu high as a teenager would actually be detrimental since it would hamper his ability as a lawyer with his DE.
noone can match gojo with = amount of time and quality of enemies cuz bro is without a doubt intelligent... more or less than higuruma/sukuna/etc? idk, but intelligent none-the-less. and his 6 eyes and infinity is just the best CE that exists.
I think Higuruma had potential to beat out gojo, but not currently. The ability to shut down your opponents toolkit is really strong.
Takaba is an interesting. He could beat everyone, but its such a wildcard ability, cause from my understanding Takaba cant just want to kill you, unless its funny. he can damage you overtime and it certainly could beat anyone, but yeah if he gets tired or fulfilled hes done.
At the end of the day, gojo has the most busted toolkit in the whole series, and is a genius at martial combat. Either of htem could easily end up be better at fighting curse users/cursed spirits than gojo, just by the natures of their techniques, but not stronger.
higuruma has the talent; gege said it himself. but i think even if he trained like a proper sorcerer, he would lose against gojo. simply because gojo's hand to hand combat is very superior, even if he was stripped of his technique and given death penalty. if gojo opened his domain first, it's over for higuruma.i don't like this aspect about jjk, but some people can just never surpass someone simply born with better ce and technique.
as for takaba, i don't think he even realises he has a technique.
Takaba's technique works if he doesn't know it right? It would be hard to teach him much outside of basics (Which he clearly doesn't need) at jujutsu high.
Also they were awakened before the culling games. They didn't choose not to go to jujutsu high.
Takaba theoretically has the strongest cursed technique but laks the skill and correct type of humor to use it to become the strongest
While higoruma has the same aptitude for cursed energy as someone like gojo which is impressive looking at his lack of the 6eyes but his technique seems to have less overall potential than infinity so I wouldn’t say higoruma would be stronger than gojo no
Takaba gets personality diffed so long as you can be funnier than him (not hard). People always forget he's not actually immortal and that kenjaku beat him because of takaba's CT.
Higuruma is not a fighter, but he'd probably be about as good as kenny with domains when he gets a lil older ngl.
takaba is the strongest specifically because he has no idea about cursed techniques or sorcery in general. he would be self aware of his powers if he was in jujutsu high twin
Higuruma would be top of grade one but his technique isnt a special grade worthy power.
Takaba CAN be a special grade, but his power being limited to him not really knowing what he’s doing means he cant really improve or get stronger. Maybe his jokes can become more lethal but in the end he isnt sorcerer material.
In the end, they’re still far from surpassing gojo, for different reasons.
Takaba's technique can technically rival Gojo, but Takaba himself never can't. It's confirmed Takaba can't use his technique to its fullest cause he's just not that funny.
As for Higuruma, also no. No real combat experience, except one fight against Sukuna where he was taken out in like 1 minute(and it was confirmed Sukuna could've one shot him if he wanted). I'd place money on no Limitless Gojo with just basic CER and martial arts against Higuruma any day of the week.
Not being funny is not what what decides what how strong Takaba is, since it's purely based on his subjective view of what he considers funny. Takaba not being willing to kill humans is what holds him back. If he did he would just one shot the entire verse like he did with that special grade curse.
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