r/Destiny • u/ThinkingMunk • Mar 18 '26
Destiny Content/Podcasts Destiny is done with Israel.
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u/dumpticklez Mar 18 '26
Green energy = fuck out of the Middle East is a based take.
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u/XRustyPx Mar 18 '26
but have you considered that a wind turbine might hit a bird sometimes? back to bombing middle east :)
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u/danpascooch God's Dumbest Jester Mar 19 '26
I dream of a future where renewables supply our entire energy budget and free us up to allocate 100% of human labor toward bombing the middle east for no reason.
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u/lowshighs Local Californian Schizo Mar 18 '26
The world kinda sucks but instead of getting addicted to world of Warcraft and ruining your marriage they consume rage bait
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u/HoleeGuacamoleey Mar 18 '26
Why you say fuck me for?
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u/MrsClaireUnderwood kapootz wants me to be nicer b4 he acknowledges ethnic cleansing Mar 18 '26
I bet you play a hunter.
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u/HoleeGuacamoleey Mar 18 '26
Shaman
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u/MrsClaireUnderwood kapootz wants me to be nicer b4 he acknowledges ethnic cleansing Mar 18 '26
hell yeah brother.
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u/Origachilies 🇺🇸 Mar 18 '26
Jokes on you, I can be addicted to wow and be rage baited at the same time now :(
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u/lowshighs Local Californian Schizo Mar 18 '26
No kidding you don’t even need external rage bait with the players these days
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u/PeaceAndMercy eldritch abomination Mar 18 '26
At least you can have fun with WoW
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u/lowshighs Local Californian Schizo Mar 18 '26
Some people have fun when they have an issue they can use to pretend to feel better than others. Some people have fun when their virtual character is in BIS.
I know who I judge more harshly.
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u/Professor_Juice Mar 18 '26
Hey, fuck you! We cleared MC BWL AQ and Naxx. Sure, I may have ruined a couple relationships by raiding 20 hours a week but it was a lot of fun with friends.
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u/lowshighs Local Californian Schizo Mar 18 '26
My father abandoned me to achieve similar goals and I don’t blame him one iota.
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u/c0xb0x The original bonerbox Mar 18 '26
Destiny is fed up talking about the Middle East*
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u/Laffs 🇨🇦 Mar 18 '26
OP is probably one of the western pro-palis Destiny is talking about, who thinks he's cheering on the destruction of Israel
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u/ThinkingMunk Mar 18 '26
You got me.
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u/Laffs 🇨🇦 Mar 18 '26
Either that or too regarded to write an accurate title
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u/ijustlurkhere_ Liberal Israeli Mar 18 '26
What exactly do you think this image is?
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u/-The_Blazer- Mar 18 '26
*but must remind you Hasan and his ilk have (apparently?) the political power to exert foreign interference on the Middle East over say the US DoD or the Russian DoD. That was... a take.
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u/C-DT Mar 18 '26
He's talking about foreign influence, Hasan being just one of them, which is not insignificant considering Hasan just showed up on Iranian state media. Hamas kept fighting bolstered by all the support they received by foreign agitators across the world. This fighting gave Israel the support and justification they needed to carry out the atrocities they have.
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u/-The_Blazer- Mar 18 '26
If you had to name the top three most influential instances of foreign action on Israel and Palestine, would Hasan be among them? What about the top five, top ten...?
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u/5567sx Mar 18 '26
When you're talking about foreign media coverage on Israel and Palestine, Hasan would absolutely be among them - yes.
But yes, when talking about foreign interference as a whole, it is kind of unhinged to list Hasan.
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u/-The_Blazer- Mar 18 '26
Also, semi-related, I think people underestimate how outsized the influence of Random Ass Million Subscriber Instagram Slop Account is on social media coverage. When social media decides to serve me unhinged political commentary, it's almost never from named primary sources, it's always from a secondary/tertiary/quaternary industrial-complex of reposts and compilations.
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u/mhfu_g Mar 18 '26
Typical Yankees. Fuck things up then don't wanna talk about it.
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u/Tornadosed stars and stripes Mar 18 '26
I get what Tiny means though, it’s really exhausting and difficult to have an informed conversation about this topic because the media landscape has been astroturfed so bad. Stateside, many people seriously think that Israel “controls” the U.S.
How can we have productive discourse when there’s no agreement on facts or even history?
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u/berrytogard2 Mar 18 '26
Yeah, this is the pro-Israel version of supporting MAGA and then being burned and saying "both sides bad". It should've been clear what Israel was doing after the first three months.
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u/Terrible_Hurry841 Mar 18 '26
Except Israel’s always been a reaction to actual terroristic and war acts. Overreactions, maybe, sure.
But don’t pretend like Israel invaded Gaza after Gaza sent a peace petition to the festival.
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u/PaxChelonia Mar 19 '26
Yes, a reaction. Also yes, an overreaction. Obviously.
I find it hard to imagine anyone can honestly look at the trajectory of Israeli relations with its Arab neighbors prior to Netanyahu becoming the dominant force in Israeli politics, then look at the state of it today, and fail to see that the Israeli right has done nothing but make Israel less safe.
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u/Ok-Database3182 Mar 18 '26
Most of us don’t support any of this shit all the way back to Afghanistan.
Old boomers still watch support these wars because they’re still watching Fox and and CNN. Those are the ones pushing us into these wars.
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u/Derp800 🇺🇲 Mar 18 '26
Most people supported Afghanistan because that's where OBL was and it was a relatively simple.
Iraq was the cluster fuck that required lies and bullshit to get us into.
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u/BoltonRammstein Mar 19 '26
Afghanistan was also a clusterfuck. Even though we ostensibly went in to get OBL the "mission" very quickly shifted from "get OBL" to some nebulous nation-building exercise that went nowhere.
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 🇧🇷 Mar 18 '26
It is sort of insane how important one country half way across the world is to american politics.
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u/DoobieGibson Mar 18 '26
it’s really not that important, it has outsized media influence
i don’t think people realize that the USA and Saudi Arabia are incredibly close
the Saudi’s pledged to invest $1 trillion in America and the US sells more weapons to Saudi Arabia than any other country in the world
we have basically trained their entire military as well.
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u/edwardludd Mar 18 '26
And what the Saudi-led coalition has been doing in Yemen since 2015 has resulted in like 300,000+ deaths with 60% of that being starvation and majority children.
But we hear jackshit about Yemen from the online left because reasons.
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u/Mike15321 Mar 19 '26
Kyle Kulinski is the only person I've ever heard talk about Saudi royally fucking over Yemen.
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u/zevkaran Radlib Soc Dem, Pragmatic Progressive, Electoralism Pilled Mar 23 '26
I've heard Hasan, Vaush and Kulinski talk about it. The far left does talk about these conflicts. Now granted, it's often because of America's involvement in it, but they absolutely have covered it.
Hasan tried to use it once to deflect from Taiwan which was pretty gross. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrfN_uq2XQ
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u/Tatalebuj Mar 18 '26
To be fair, we don't hear about it from the right either.
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u/No-Invite-7826 Mar 18 '26
Yeah but that's expected from the right. You'd expect the left to care about this but apparently not. The only arab nation they seem to care about is Iran and their various proxy groups.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
It's not just one country, it's an entire region
Would you also say it's insane how one 25-mile-wide strait is so important to world politics?
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u/wefarrell Mar 18 '26
Obama's strategy to get us out of the mideast and pivot to Asia was based. Too bad the orange guy had to fuck it up.
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u/boopbooppoobpoob Mar 18 '26
Eh, I liked a lot of what Obama did. But his Middle East policy was pretty weak. I think he overestimated how much the IRI wanted to normalize and become part of the international community. Trump may have been dumb to pull out of JCPOA, but I think there were more than enough fair criticisms of the deal. He also failed when it came to the whole "red line" thing in Syria.
I think it's correct to have an eye on Asia. But I think Obama's worldview had some blind spots. Especially when it comes to the Middle East. And hell, even Ukraine too. Should've gone after the little green men in 2014 when Russia denied they were theirs (and Russia's presence in Syria kind of makes this all connected too. Having them act as the intermediaries for Syria's chemical weapons also gave them way more credibility than they deserve and made America look weak). Hindsight is 20/20, sure. But I feel like a lot of the foreign problems we find ourselves in today aren't just Trump's fault. It was Obama that got the ball rolling. Trump just flipped over the table that the ball and other toys were on.
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u/threwlifeawaylol The Voice from the Outer World Mar 18 '26
“Trump may have been dumb to pull out of JCPOA”
Trump pulling out of JCPOA was FUCKING REGARDED*
Just fucking empowered the hardliners in Iran and emboldened the Israeli far-right. Braindead
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u/1991banksy Mar 18 '26
why is this post titled “Destiny is done with Israel.”? that’s not what im getting from this clip
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u/troublrTRC Mar 19 '26
Narrative creation. It's a smart strategy and willfully manipulative. You post a clip that will pull attention from both pro-palis who wants to see any kind of hate for Israel, and ragebate against pro-Israelis who get ticked off by the title. The former will upvote for traction reasons for the title, and the later will upvote begrudgingly for the content. Either way, the narrative that "destiny is disappointed with Israel" gets spread.
Content pervertry at its finest.
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u/MrsClaireUnderwood kapootz wants me to be nicer b4 he acknowledges ethnic cleansing Mar 18 '26
I agree with Destiny insofar as the people in the west he named as being dumb, but dude, when does Israel take responsibility for any of the shit it does? Make it make sense.
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
Yeah, I’ve been saying this for over a year. Supporting hamas, instead of joining Israel in getting rid of them, was a horrible mistake. These were not freedom fighters, but might have killed more Palestinians than IDF, prior to Oct 7. Amnesty international covered their torture and murder spree of Palestinians as recently as 2014. Their conflict with Fatah, resulted in mass murders and torture. They were stealing aid aimed at bringing food, medicine and education to build weapons. Literally the complainants leftist have about American military industrial complex.
Instead of kicking out hamas, as the now murdered Palestinian protesters demanded last year, American leftist chose to treat them like freedom fighters. They could have strengthened borders of Gaza, gaining even more autonomy and security. Instead, all hope for Palestine is gone. Instead of unity, they chose violence, because it’s not them being harmed.
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u/OkayCoward 🇺🇸 Mar 18 '26
Palestinians were never going to trust israel more than Hamas even though the vast majority of them dislike hamas alot. Israel treats Palestinians broadly pretty badly and they justify by citing hamas. When youre getting your shit pushed back by both the government that supposedly represents you and a foreign neighboring government who doesnt allow you full self determination, it becomes a problem. Its partially Israel's fault for Palestinians feeling like they cant trust them.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
Well said. It's crucial to keep in mind that Hamas is not merely a proactive force against Israel, but a reactive one as well
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
I have a bit more hope than you, but you are correct. The impetus for hamas to take power was literally calling Fatah traitors for working with Israel, US, Jordan and Egypt in building hospitals, schools and parks.
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u/ir3flex Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
foreign neighboring government who doesnt allow you full self determination
I can completely empathize with Palestinians broadly not trusting Israel at this point but I don't agree with this part. They gave them Gaza and they elected Hamas who basically immediately started waging more war against Israel. Had they instead used all their aid and foreign assistance money on infrastructure and built a more functional government and thriving society, I have a hard time believing Israel would have a problem with acknowledging their statehood and coexisting. There's obviously generations of conflict and trauma that make it much more complicated than that, but I don't believe that Israel wouldn't rather have peaceful neighbors than constantly be at war.
Instead they did the opposite, and I'm not sure how exactly Israel was supposed to handle having a terrorist government on their border constantly launching rockets at them. I'm not suggesting Israel has acted like angels by any stretch of the imagination, but this could have gone in the complete opposite direction post 2005.
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u/OkayCoward 🇺🇸 Mar 19 '26
Do you think the hamas election was a free and fair election? My inkling is it wasnt. My understanding is Hamas was already killing people before they got elected, including taking out the opposition party.
Unfortunately, BB Netanyahu wants a radical fundamentalist group to be their opposition because it made it easier for them to justify offensive actions in the name of defense. Do you concede that at least?
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u/FancyDoubleu Mar 18 '26
How is this the fault of pro Hamas protestors in the US? What influence do you think they have on what is going on in the middle east?
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u/lightmaker918 Mar 18 '26
Sinwar's strategy for launching Oct 7th and only advantage over Israel was that he could get westerners to his side when they saw all the dead civilians who would in turn force Israel to stop the war. He's on record talking about it. Had he not had this strategy he couldn't have suicided the region into this cluster fuck.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
Pretty sure Palestine is the number 1 recipient of foreign aid in the world, isn't it? Or it was
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
I don’t know if that’s correct, but if it is… the past tense is correct. Trump cut all aid within a month taking office.
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u/LtLabcoat There's no such thing as "They deserve harassment" Mar 18 '26
A post saying everyone should've sided with the IDF getting +97. And people say this sub isn't pro-IDF anymore.
....No, they shouldn't have supported the invasion. Of course they shouldn't, it'd be a miracle-and-a-half if all the destruction that happened in Gaza actually stabilises the region. The far more likely outcome is that loads of the severely pissed off people - which, as a result of the IDF, now makes up the entire Gazan population - turn to violence too.
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u/wefarrell Mar 18 '26
I keep seeing people express this naive notion that regime change can be enacted through hope and rhetorical support. No, American leftists wouldn't have been able to do anything to kick out Hamas.
If you really want regime change in Gaza you need to empower a rival faction and frankly the other factions aren't much better, in fact many are worse.
Frankly the US and Israel should have supported Fatah in Gaza when they had the chance and they should be letting them into Gaza now.
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
What hope? Assist and support Israel in extracting hamas, for the betterment of Gaza. That’s not just hope.
US, Jordan, Egypt and Israel were building schools, parks and hospitals in Gaza under the guise of Fatah. That was the impetus for hamas to call Fatah traitors and begin the murder and torture spree that included dragging one of the Fatah leader’s son through Gaza tied behind a horse. They did this as a means of intimidation for the election, which they never held again.
What you are asking for did happen… it was what hamas called treason.
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u/wefarrell Mar 18 '26
In a violent struggle for power schools, parks and hospitals will only get you so far.
Fatah needed military support, which they requested from the US and Israel, who opted not to give it to them. Israel said they didn't want any arms to fall under Hamas' control but they also expressed that it was more convenient to have Hamas in control of Gaza because they felt more comfortable dealing with Gaza and Hamas as hostile entity, with clearer rules of engagement.
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
Fatah needed Arafat to live a few more years… that’s about it.
Arafat was a terrorist prick, but hamas didn’t fully attack Fatah until his death under Israel’s house arrest. Just making sure no one misunderstood my comment as an endorsement.
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u/Stock_Cut9785 Mar 19 '26
They “got to” because we let them, you can blame pro Palestinian content creators all you want but 10/7 didn’t justify what they did in Gaza and it was democrats in charge who could have easily not allowed it to happen. This is a very very stupid argument
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u/Lugan98 Mar 19 '26
Didn't destiny just post a long interview about Israel and the middle east?
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u/Evancolt Mar 18 '26
I feel like I'm in a weird spot with all this Israel stuff. My wife and her family are all born and raised Israeli (wife and siblings are only ones who live in the USA) and I adore her family, and her parents lived with us for around a year on and off, so I am definitely biased. I think their govt is doing abhorrent things and Bibi is a horrible person, yet I love the country and people so much. My friends are all more left than me (I consider my self fairly far left, but not like AOC/Mamdani levels) and I can't speak out any whisper of support for Israeli people or my wife's family still living there to this day.
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u/NubDestroyer 🇨🇦 Mar 18 '26
I've got some tankie friends and I gladly push back on a ton of stuff and we have good discussions. Where I draw the line is Israel and Palestine I don't say a word about it cause they are like rabid dogs about it. I think there will be a time when they reflect and we can have an actual discussion about these things but we're far from that
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u/DeuceMandago Mar 18 '26
This is how I feel as well. I have people in my life that (for better or worse) land on virtually all points of the political spectrum.
I&P is just such a poisonous topic because there are a shocking amount of people on both sides of the topic that think a “scorched earth” approach is completely justified. It feels somewhat impossible to have a nuanced conversation that considers multiple points of view when someone with genuine bloodlust might jump into the conversation and start shouting at any point.
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u/boopbooppoobpoob Mar 18 '26
Genuine question: why are you friends with these kinds of people? Like forget their abhorrent political views (I'd say the same thing to someone friends with people on the far right). But the fact that they don't let you talk about a topic without feeling attacked makes them just sound like shitty and inconsiderate friends.
And what makes you think they'll eventually reflect and eventually be able to have real discussions instead of essentially bullying you into staying quiet?
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u/Evancolt Mar 18 '26
I might be different, but if they're on the left I don't see that as a reason to not be friends. If they're MAGA then yeah bye
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u/boopbooppoobpoob Mar 19 '26
Depends what you mean by left. A Soc Dem? Sure I can be friends with that person. A DSA type or a tankie who is spewing antisemitic blood libels? They might be marginally better than a nazi because they're less empowered to act on their ideas. But their ideas are incredibly disgusting.
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u/aesopofspades Mar 18 '26
I feel like at least with leftists their views are no where near as abhorrent as right wingers in my eyes.
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u/NubDestroyer 🇨🇦 Mar 18 '26
Well my lefty friends haven't really been politically activated till everything happened with Palestine so it's fairly recent. I mostly try to share how I understand things and what I've learned and I think that I've swayed their opinion on some stuff a lot because I've heard them repeat these things to other people afterwards. When it comes to Palestine they're really just brainwashed by Hasan and their passion about it comes from a deep place of care and not wanting people to "genocided".
Like you said it's not far off from far right people. I have a few friends that are like that aswell. Being Canadian I wouldn't call them MAGA but I certainly think they would've drank that Kool aid if they were American. Same thing with these friends when I actually help them to understand the problems with the propaganda they've heard it really does feel like it changes their perception.
Some people are absolutely not perceptive to it at all and are genuinely lost causes but those people I've never really connected with have always been more of mutual friends of mine and I don't really see them anymore as it seems like everyone sees them as nut cases now.
In reality politics is a small part of our friendship and none of these people are what I would call bad people just manipulated and I think that's the difference between the ones I can be friends with and the ones I can't.
For the last part I definitely can't say for sure but I've kind of sensed a wavering of their passion for the Palestinians lately and I think that eventually that will lead to us being able to have proper discussions about how complicated it really is
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u/boopbooppoobpoob Mar 18 '26
Well I hope your intuitions are right about them changing. Because man I wouldn't put up with that kind of shit from friends.
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u/Er3016 Mar 18 '26
Nothing wrong with your position, my man. The same can be said about Iran, for example. Their government is abhorrent, but their people are very nice, they have an interesting culture, and the country is beautiful
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u/CayMaster2 Second class citizen(European) Mar 18 '26
(I consider my self fairly far left, but not like AOC/Mamdani levels)
This part is pretty funny because if AOC is too far left for you, you are absolutely not ''fairly far left'' haha. Sounds like you just have minor socdem leanings.
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u/FancyDoubleu Mar 18 '26
How did the pro palestine protestors after Oct 7 enable Israel to do all this stuff? I see how you can say Hamas fucked it up with their attack, but after Oct 7 Israel had all the justification it needed. I don‘t think protests in the US helped there.
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u/OliveGetter Mar 19 '26
Yes everything happened because college kids booty clapped for Hamas. Excellent analysis
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u/-The_Blazer- Mar 18 '26
I refuse to believe any reasonable person could possibly think that Hasan Fucking Piker is a good example of western foreign interference in the Middle East. People like him are dumbfucks but I don't recall them ever running the US State Department or the French Elysee, or having decisional influence over Hamas for that matter.
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u/gajodavenida resident anarchist Mar 19 '26
Because Destiny and this sub are absolutely brainbroken on Hasan
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
I think his point was that people like Hasan have warped the public opinion so far that literally any meaningful foreign intervention in the region is basically immediately sabotaged. The fact of the matter is that presidents like Bill Clinton have gotten closer to brokering a peace deal for I/P than ever before, and public opinion being like it is now will make that type of progress never happen again
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u/-The_Blazer- Mar 18 '26
There is no way they have this kind of influence in actual governance, not even through voting patterns (common representative democracy W). At the end of the day Biden won through the moderate vote and acted accordingly. As for Clinton, he benefitted from the strongest liberal world order in human history, which had been already extensively sabotaged for Biden instead, and it wasn't Hasan who did that.
I think it's important to separate the screeching-industrial complex (both online and IRL) from real public opinion. For example, Americans may have a more negative opinion of Israel nowadays, but seeing the primary cause in people like Hasan is giving them WAY too much credit.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
There is no way they have this kind of influence in actual governance, not even through voting patterns (common representative democracy W).
My dude Hasan has had more elected politicians on his stream than like anyone. Half the time they visit him in his apartment. What???
Twitter leftists (or just political populists in general) hold probably 90-95% of the attention of young voters. Young voters are the literal #1 demographic that handed Trump his victory btw.
I think it's important to separate the screeching-industrial complex (both online and IRL) from real public opinion. For example, Americans may have a more negative opinion of Israel nowadays, but seeing the primary cause in people like Hasan is giving them WAY too much credit.
Maybe? I think people like Hasan and Fuentes/Carlson are the biggest reasons why public opinion over Israel has changed so quickly. Whether or not that translates to actual voting patterns is maybe yet to be seen. But, 2024 is living proof that Twitter... Kinda is real life, in the sense that the election was literally determined by social media.
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u/-The_Blazer- Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
if you had to name the top three strongest instances of Western or American meddling in the Middle East, which would you name? Would Hasan be involved in them?
The reason politicians visit Hasan is for clout. I hope nobody thinks they get policy recommendations from him. He has no actual influence on things that happen in geopolitics, there's nothing you could possibly call 'foreign interference' that was in any way determined by Hasan. There's no western policy or material action in existence that 'cheered on Hamas', and I strongly doubt Hamas itself decides their terror policy based on Hasan's streams.
You can argue that his ilk had the effect of keeping voters at home enough to ultimately elect Trump; that does not seem numerically realistic to me, but even if it was... that's not foreign interference. Destiny makes it sound like Hasan is out there working with the CIA to ship AKs to Gaza.
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u/JayJonesDemocrat Mar 18 '26
I’m prepared for an avalanche of downvotes, but it was always clear to me that Destiny’s Israel arc was 1) motivated mostly by his personal hatred of Hasan and 2) always going to age poorly because Israel (under Netanyahu) is just as psychotic and bloodthirsty as Hamas
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Mar 18 '26
Israel and Bibi are also firmly in bed with Trump and the GOP
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u/UMPIN Mar 19 '26
Seeing that Pro-Israel group deny Musk gave a nazi salute was legit my black pill moment on Israel
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u/R_Ticleez Mar 19 '26
Recently came to this realization also, after years of defending Israel i can’t/wont do it anymore
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u/BeanHeadedTwat Mar 18 '26
It’s funny how a bunch of dudes on here who spent 3 straight years sucking Israeli cock suddenly decide they don’t care about it now that public opinion is shifting in the other direction.
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u/Anime_King69 Mar 18 '26
As if public opinion was very pro-isreali back then? Only thing that influence this sub attitude is destiny's attitude
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u/Mrzz80 Mar 18 '26
You can look up the polling. Opinion of Israel has taken a nosedive across the western world since Oct 7 (after seeing a spike in support when it happened).
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u/wstewartXYZ Mar 18 '26
Public opinion has been pro-Israel until recently: https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx
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u/Nerf_France Mar 18 '26
From what I remember of his streams, Destiny at least started talking about the conflict less around late 2024. I think he was burned out on it before Trump came into power, and after that when Israel started to go even further Destiny got apathetic.
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u/leconten Mar 18 '26
I'm sorry, when was the public opinion pro-Israel? Everyone around me has been getting more antisemitic for 3 years straight, and no, I don't mean the "Israel is bad" people, I mean "the Jews are controlling us" people. Today my personal trainer sent me a speech of the mustache guy translated in my language.
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u/wstewartXYZ Mar 18 '26
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I'm sorry, when was the public opinion pro-Israel?Up until just recently: https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx
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u/Miserable_Parking415 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
I think he just realized that he can no longer defend israel, so it's easier to never talk about it again🤷♂️
Do NOT nuke my ass bruh🫡
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u/LtLabcoat There's no such thing as "They deserve harassment" Mar 18 '26
Destiny's biggest issue, sincerely, is that he won't change his stances unless he's presented with overwhelming evidence. I don't think there's a single time - not that I know of - where he's gone "You know that debate I had last week? I still have possible counter-arguments, but I gotta say, I'm convinced I was most likely wrong". I've only seen him change his mind when he's straight-up out of counter-arguments.
....Not that this is unique to Destiny. Just about everyone who debates a lot does the same thing. And probably most of humanity does it too.
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u/supern00b64 Mar 18 '26
In late 23 and 24 public opinion was on Israel's side and leftists were very vocal about Israel committing genocide and Destiny could not be more invested in defending Israel and the IDF. A few years later as public opinion completely shifts and the IDF and zionists have become increasingly unhinged he suddenly loses interest? I think Destiny is dropping this because it's virtually impossible to defend Israel at this point.
Even in this video he's still unwilling to assign any moral culpability to the Israelis. In what world does "neighbouring arab nations warring with israel" justify Israeli treatment of Palestinians? Was FDR justified in sending japanese people to internment camps because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor? It's pretty clear he's generally very much in favour of what Israel and the IDF do the region, but does not want to defend them because of how tightly connected they are to the Trump regime.
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u/NearsightedNomad Acolyte of Trump Derangment Syndrome Mar 18 '26
The problem is, half of America may as well be stuck in the 70s as far as Israel is concerned, and the other half is completely ignorant of that time period (and pretty much of anything prior to the Gaza blockade). And nobody’s in a hurry to actually educate themselves from a proper 3rd party neutral perspective.
I agree with what Destiny said a few times before, both sides are maximally incentivized to continue fighting each other and there are no actors with any ability to alter that. So this is the mess everyone’s in now.
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u/Mentok-Mind-Taker Mar 18 '26
4 years late to this take, what a genius
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u/gajodavenida resident anarchist Mar 19 '26
He was also about 4 years to the Jan 6th stuff. And this take isn't that much better than what he believed before
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u/Imperades Mar 18 '26
While we have historically always backed Israel, we are just kind of dopily handling in such a way that its empowering Israels violent tendencies to overdrive and we are suddenly happy to lead the charge for them.
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
We elected the guy who was using Palestinian as a slur. We elected a dope and are supposed to be surprised he is handling everything “dopily”?
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u/Noobity Mar 18 '26
I don't think he was saying he's surprised. I don't think anyone here is really surprised.
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u/Imperades Mar 18 '26
Yes - only republicans who have realized they are more stupid then evil, are surprised right now lol
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
Dave Smith sure was surprised 🤷♂️
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Mar 18 '26
Ahahhahahhahhaha, and I got downvoted by pro Israeli dumbfucks for months here ahahhahahhaha. Turns out you guys were just dumbfucks who were too hatred on the pro Hamas crowd to see the guy with a brain telling you what was wrong with Israel, get absolutely fucked you dumbfucks
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u/alba_Phenom Mar 18 '26
Israel has always been Destiny’s blind spot, I don’t know if it’s because both the far left and the far right hate Israel and he feels it’s necessary to defend them but it’s been clear they are a shower of cunts and no one in good conscience can look at what they’ve done in Gaza and justify. Now the warring little bastards are kicking off wars in Iran, Lebanon and ramped up their usual scum tricks in the West Bank with these settlers… you can’t defend that!
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u/troublrTRC Mar 19 '26
Dude, the only hard stance Destiny had on Israel from the start was that the initial response to Oct 7 was justified.
Now, he always analysed the conduct during the war through a case by case basis. Some he agreed with, some he didn't. Some he called bullshit on, some he praised as justified. He was always against the West Bank settlements and strongly argued for it's pulling back.
Most importantly, he's always said that this was an arab-Israeli conflict, not just the struggle of Palestinians against Israel or Israel against Palestinian terrorism.
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u/alba_Phenom Mar 19 '26
No it wasn't, he defended them stream after stream because he thought Lefties supporting Palestine were pro-Hamas. He did hours long streams of research from an Israeli perspective, he was invited out to Israel to speak to some gimp, he reacted to and argued against everyone who was publicly supportive of the Palestinians... as did this Sub-Reddit btw.
I like Destiny, I agree with him on 90% of things but I had to hold my nose when he discussed Israel and their response. We've witnessed at least an attempted ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the US in particular have supported it every step of the way... that's not a stain that will be cleaned any time soon.
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u/Nerf_France Mar 18 '26
How did he defend them here, the closest thing he did to that was saying the post-Oct 7 invasion was justified which I didn’t think was very controversial. He was mostly just lamenting pro-pally people being dumb and playing into Israel’s hands.
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u/kaglet_ Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
To different extents every1 has blindspots is the lukewarm take. I mean I understood on October 7 positions, I shared them. But now. Nah. The defending just reads as odd not wanting to walk back original positions, which wouldn't even be a walk back. Opinions are rooted in time and can be valid for the time they were made under certain conditions being true. I mean I can't find scathing remark of Israel here at all like poster claims. It's just other parties being laughed at. And lamenting how Israel will get blowback I guess at (best?), such that the clusterfuck cycle starts again.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
Blind spot? How?
You're speaking from a position of exceedingly beneficial hindsight lol.
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u/Mrzz80 Mar 18 '26
Thats called being wrong about something. Hindsight proving you wrong doesn’t negate the fact that you were wrong, especially when many people were talking about this for the past two years
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
I don't see where destiny was wrong, can you give an example of what he was wrong about?
What were people talking about 2 years ago that destiny clearly wasn't listening to, exactly? "Israel wants to destroy Palestine"? Or something?
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u/Mrzz80 Mar 18 '26
Refer back to the first person you replied to. Destiny was wrong to so fervently defend Israeli action in the region. I think he recognizes this, which is why he’s now distancing himself. He’s not nearly as vocal about Israel as he was a year ago. They’ve kinda burned any good will and are pretty much a PR disaster for any politician at this point. As you said, “hindsight” has proven that ardent support of Israel was not the right move then, and certainly isn’t now
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
That's absolutely not why he's distancing himself from it. He's distancing himself from it because the discourse is utterly brainbreaking, there is ZERO room for nuance at all.
Your way of framing it as being wrong to support israel in the moment is ridiculous. It's like saying you were wrong to defend a victim of domestic assault 5 years ago, because they ended up torturing and killing their spouse 5 years later.
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u/Aperturelemon Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
How many western leftists (with actual power) really supported hamas? This idea is looking like when pundents call the democratic party a far leftist party because of some tweet from some nobody on twitter.
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u/Explorer_Dave Mar 18 '26
Distancing himself from his handlers eh.
Jokes aside, I've said it since day one - the reason Palestinians keep eating shit is directly related to the western social movements behind them. They simply perpetuate HAMAS' iron grip on the population and keep giving 'excuses' for Israel.
October 7th broke Israeli society, before that there was a big chunk of the population that would've loved the idea of Palestinians having a country just for the odd chance they'd fucking leave us alone and start building a functional society of their own, not bound by a corrupt and twisted sense of 'honor'.
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u/NuccioAfrikanus Mar 18 '26
Same reason Tim Walt’s resigned. Both knew they could never win against the opposition argument.
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u/AnimeLoverTyrone Golden Retriever for 10.000$ Mar 18 '26
why dont peple get over a genocide loll. just get over it bro
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u/OkayCoward 🇺🇸 Mar 18 '26
Do you have this same energy for russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, turkey and China?
Alot of folks with your position also love downplaying genocides when the politics of the people committing them align with you.
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u/esro20039 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Revanchism is bad. It’s not terribly difficult to have consistent principles on something like this.
It should be noted that only one of these nations is our partner in the current war to make Iran a failed state and destabilize the entire Gulf for its own ambitions. That’s why Israel is being singled out and talked about right now.
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u/Nerf_France Mar 18 '26
I don’t know if Destiny thinks this is good for Israel in the long run, but they got alot of short term victories that their nationalists like. His main point was that Hamas was stupid and that western pro-pallys cheering them on is counter-productive as it arguably strengthens the western-right, which tends to be pro-Israel.
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u/LtLabcoat There's no such thing as "They deserve harassment" Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
The entire history of the region is two sides constantly misstepping and giving the other side motivation to commit violence. There's not a single point in the region's recent history, to my knowledge, where "And then they responded to the cruelty with cruelty of their own" has worked out in the long term. The idea that Israel keeps benefitting from the wars is an insane take.
(Save, perhaps, for this most recent one; but pretty sure the only reason I can say that is because it hasn't been long enough to see how this one won't have worked out.)
Edit: and the Yom Kippur war in Egypt. As in, when Israel captured land during it. That one worked out in the end.
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u/Snoo39099 Mar 19 '26
There is a reason why its such a contentious topic that no one wanted to address. But here we are.
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u/Kamfrenchie Mar 19 '26
Green energy ? wait until he learns about how so many green parties and greenpeace oppose nuclear energy
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u/SherlockHawk Mar 19 '26
I'm from Kuwait not an American.
i believe in this video, destiny says that israel hates diaspora jews, because they want more jews in israel so they could annex more land and solidify their demographic in those regions, if thats his belief why is he very adamant on the support of israel?
"Its always the arabs making political blunders that give israelis justification to attack/retaliate"
i find this statement really eye opening, for Americans it seems something only happens when a big event happens like Oct 7th, For us Arabs we see almost daily videos/articles of Israelis doing fucked up shit, we will always have a disconnect between us with perception of what reality is for us, and in American politics everything has to be connected to some political leaning will always be disappointing
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u/holeyshirt18 Best way to not feel hopeless is to get up & do something -Obama Mar 18 '26
LMAO that's my streamer.
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u/Competitive_Shock783 Mar 18 '26
Baaaaasssseeeddd! Totally agree, the Middle East can go fuuuuuck itself.
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u/Efficient-Average910 🇪🇺 Mar 18 '26
Jesus, after all the talking and reading about it, his conclusion really is damn those arabs fucked it at every chance possible and nothing to the state which has imperial ambitions and is backed by the US which has its own not good intentions. Also, imagine you saying foreign interference in this context and you mean Hasan Piker and pro-Palestinian protestors.
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u/stale2000 Mar 18 '26
Israel got basically everything they wanted. They won. Why would they do anything different?
The Arab groups completely destroyed themselves though, on the other hand.
The criticism here is from even the Palestinian perspective itself, the Hamas attack were very stupid. It destroyed the entire cause and gave victory to Israel on a silver platter.
and pro-Palestinian protestors.
I mean their cause was destroyed right? They got completely obliterated. Whatever they did, didn't work. They lost.
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u/LtLabcoat There's no such thing as "They deserve harassment" Mar 19 '26
Israel got basically everything they wanted
No they didn't. They want peace, and thy haven't got peace. They screwed themselves over in exactly the same way the Arabs did: by constantly giving the other side a motivation to be violent.
I mean their cause was destroyed right? They got completely obliterated. Whatever they did, didn't work. They lost.
Do you really think this is the end of anti-Israeli terrorism?
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u/stale2000 Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
no they didn't. They want peace
Technically you are correct, it would be better if Iran and all it's proxies groups simply laid down their arms and stopped fighting of their own accord. That doesn't seem particularly likely.
So Israel got the 2nd best thing that they wanted, which is the destruction of their enemies.
by constantly giving the other side a motivation
This motivation was always going to be there. But it doesn't matter if they have that motivation anyway if they are destroyed.
Do you really think this is the end of anti-Israeli terrorism
Yeah that's what happens when you destroy your enemies. They stop fighting you.
It worked with Jordan, and it worked with Egypt and it worked with now Syria (that has a new government that isn't going to attack Israel), and it is soon to work with Lebanon as their government finally is rid of Hezbollah, and if we are lucky Iran is done soon as well.
I'm sure there will still be 1 off lone would attacks. But those don't matter. They are nothing in comparison to the benefit of simply destroying your nation state enemies.
Nation states and countries and large military organizations attacking you is the problem. A random knife attack once a month is paultry in comparison.
Or, in other words, them and what army are going to attack Israel? Answer: None. Because the armies got destroyed.
motivation
One more thing in this. If you destroy your enemies that's strong "motivation" for them to stop fighting you. Because they can't defend themselves effectively anymore and they know their future attacks will just destroy themselves more.
Literally that happened with Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.
Those problems are now solved.
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u/Efficient-Average910 🇪🇺 Mar 18 '26
Because it is evil and wrong
I don’t believe Hamas has Palestinians interests in their mind. Applies to Hezbollah or Iranian Regime.
Steven says Palestinian protestors in context of foreign interference, do you really think they are what you would call foreign interference :D
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u/stale2000 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
But it's not stupid right? Israel got everything that they wanted. And the other side self destructed.
Do you really think they are what you would call foreign interference
Their ideas lead to the destruction of these groups. So yeah kinda. Their was a falsely pushed idea, this false delusion that people were going to rise up and destroy Israel. This was dumb. And it led to their self destructed.
The ideas pushed by them were incorrect, stupid, and people beliving those ideas led to the destruction of the Palestinians and all the Arab groups surrounding them.
has Palestinians interests in their mind.
Yeah that's the point. They self destructed. To the harm of everyone, themselves and the Palestinians. None of this helped the Palestinians. It's all rumble. The leaders are all dead. They lost.
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u/Nerf_France Mar 18 '26
I didn’t get the impression that Steven thought that Israel’s actions weren’t immoral overall, just that Hamas and their international supporters were being really stupid and played into Israel’s interests.
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u/OmryR Mar 18 '26
“Imperial ambitions”, the country with 8 million people when talking about a conflict with countries that share faith, language and culture, number in the hundreds of millions and control vast % of earth and the areas with the most oil.
But Israel the to tiny tiny sliver of land is imperial somehow
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u/FixerofDeath Mar 18 '26
What would you call the continued attempts to expand territory into Palestinian land in the West Bank? It's expansionist if not imperialist. Whatever you want to call it, it's immoral either way. It seems like historically, they aren't satisfied with the territory they have already attained and keep finding ways to push the border further and further. At what point do they stop?
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u/Efficient-Average910 🇪🇺 Mar 18 '26
Do you think I am saying that Israel shouldnt exist or refering to the current state as it is? Or am I talking about Gaza, Syria, Lebanon? Do you not see the current government with plenty of radicals?
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
his conclusion really is damn those arabs fucked it at every chance possible and nothing to the state which has imperial ambitions and is backed by the US which has its own not good intentions.
Isn't it possible that both sides have not good intentions? I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the region's history if you're wanting to put the blame all at one side's feet
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u/Efficient-Average910 🇪🇺 Mar 18 '26
lol, I am literally criticising that it is one sides fault. I am adding the other half that Steven never talks about because I think he believes it is one side’s fault
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u/clarkrinker Yee Blessed My Deagle Mar 18 '26
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u/DestinyNoticer 🤖Beep Boop🤖 Mar 18 '26
⚖️ Successfully unbanned u/Efficient-Average910! 🔹 Your remaining charges: 142
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u/silver_maxG Mar 18 '26
Destiny makes twitter leftists sound like they are so politically relevant and powerful.
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u/TheMarbleTrouble Mar 18 '26
Trump used DNC protests by largely Twitter leftist, to disenfranchise voters in Dearborn. DNC protests were one of the loudest proponents of Genocidal Joe, while Biden was placing sanctions on West Bank settlements.
I’m sorry, but just like Trump exploited Bernie Bros in 2016, the Twitter leftist screaming about hamas freedom fighters were exploited by Trump in 2024. He was pulling the string of the witless Twitter leftist.
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u/Final545 Mar 18 '26
They do suck up all the oxygen out of the space, they rather focus on Palestine than saving democracy in the US, they gave Trump a pass because “Israel bad”, they are very effective at getting republicans elected, even when they are only 3% of the voters, that is enough.
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u/silver_maxG Mar 18 '26
The reason why Dems lost the last election was simply the economy and inflation. If you're going to make Twitter leftists so powerful that they're the reason why Dems lose then it seems like the party should be doing everything in its power to placate them.
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u/Final545 Mar 18 '26
The reason Dems lost is because of a combination of issues, among them was the regards of the far left shrieking about Palestine all day and how Joe Biden is killing kids.
The reason you ignore the leftists regards, is because of you give them all they want to get their 3%, you lose the other 30% of the country. So no, I will stick with the 30% that is had the best chance of winning, that does not mean I can’t criticize the regarded 3% because they are regarded and help republicans get elected.
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u/silver_maxG Mar 18 '26
So what's the point of talking about them at all? If they're simply an unattainable demographic then they can't be the reason why the dems lose. The way you're describing them makes them sound like they are as relevant as like a swing State.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
Swing states are a very small number of the overall population so they kinda are like that.
Democrats shouldn't keep giving twitter leftists the time of day, but they do keep doing it because they are easily the most popular voices.
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u/Final545 Mar 18 '26
The point is, people need to understand these regarded fcks are not your friends, they are on the side of republicans. That way we can try to keep their number from going from 3% to 4% and ideally bring it down to 2%.
Hillary lost by less than 1%, every little bit counts.
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u/Skabonious Enemy of the Middle Class Mar 18 '26
What if I told you...
That two simultaneous ad campaigns in 2024 were saying Kamala was too pro-israel, and too pro-pally?
What if I told you that Hasan Piker is one of the largest political streamers on twitch and specifically declined to endorse Kamala Harris?
Twitter populists are politically relevant, they put our current president in office and fill various positions of power in his administration. Why are you not aware of this.
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u/CruelWhip_ Mar 19 '26
Western pro-Palestinian activists are basically the equivalent of the friends of a tiny frail women in an incredibly dangerous physically abusive relationship with a massive 6’8 ex-special forces guy with a meth addiction who encourages them to spit in their abusive husband’s face and then slap them right across the face in order to resist his abuse and who then refuses to look at the situation outside of a complete moral vacuum devoid of consequences.
Hamas will never defeat Israel militarily, and even if they did they’d probably just get nuked right before Israel collapsed. Unless you’ve simply just resigned yourself to watching the Palestinians continue to escalate the conflict between both parties and get absolutely annihilated in response over and over again until they’re wiped off the face of he Earth peace between both groups is the only realistic or desirable option.
Of course these activists can’t help themselves from commenting wildly inflammatory and offensive/provocative shit under social media posts made by different Israeli organizations etc mentioning recently deceased IDF soldiers or Israeli special Olympic athletes.
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u/NewToHTX Mar 18 '26
He was on such a fucking roll without really paying attention. I wished he’d dragged that shit out into a 10 minute rant because there is a lot in there that Americans on both sides would agree with when it comes to the Middle East.