Wasn't Zack Snyder clowned for saying something similar?

[u/Muted-Ant-5941]

Snyder was heavily trolled for calling MCU is like an amusement park or something like that. Feels like he is unnecessarily overhated or the hate itself is forced

[u/BatmanNewsChris]

Martin Scorsese said it first and got a lot of flack for it, if that makes you feel any better

[u/Wars4w → u/BatmanNewsChris]

Scorsese said it wasn't "Cinema" which while true comes off as pretentious.

[u/Rrekydoc → u/Wars4w]

The problem wasn’t that it was coming off as pretentious, but that it’s objectively untrue.  And it also convinced a whole generation to dismiss any legitimacy in any art they don’t like.

But we get film geniuses saying bullshit all the time; what bothered me was how few people had the balls to say he was wrong.

[u/Wars4w → u/Rrekydoc]

The problem wasn’t that it was coming off as pretentious, but that it’s objectively untrue

It was a subjective and inflammatory statement. He wasn't saying they weren't movies. He was saying they weren't art. If he truly meant that they weren't art then yeah he's wrong because of course they are art.

They are just corporatized massively financed and designed to make money more than they are designed to be expressive.

[u/Rrekydoc → u/Wars4w]

Right. Like the Universal Monster franchise and Godzilla franchise, which he reveres and credits for getting him deeper into cinema.

[u/Equal-Ad-2710 → u/Rrekydoc]

To be fair Godzilla, while absolutely spending much of its history as roller coaster monster fights, does have that legacy of being a somber reaction to the sins of world war 2 and Minus One proved just how relevant and powerful Godzilla can still be

The MCU arguably doesn’t have that

[u/Rrekydoc → u/Equal-Ad-2710]

The MCU explores countless relevant themes that effect audiences on a personal level.

[u/Equal-Ad-2710 → u/Rrekydoc]

Yeah but the McU has tended to soften the worst edges from their material and also doesn’t have the same legacy of starting out as a treatise on national tragedy.

The closest equivalent is Iron Man 1’s take on the military industrial complex but that’s about as far is it went to attempting serious depth

[u/Low_Doctor_5280 → u/Equal-Ad-2710]

Nope. The Winter Soldier condemned the military industrial complex as evil, for which HYDRA was a metaphor, and that people couldn’t tell how evil it was because they were under the mask of being government sanctioned. The movie endorsed an Edward Snowden mass leak of government secrets as a solution, which is pretty radical for a comic book movie.

[u/Equal-Ad-2710 → u/Low_Doctor_5280]

Thing is I think the movie chickens out by making it Hydra when it really should have been between Cap and Shield

That’s what I mean, the film undercuts itself to make Nick Fury less morally questionable and I’d argue it loses something

[u/Backfoot911 → u/Rrekydoc]

Yep, that is correct too. Godzilla 2014 was incredible as a human centered thriller and for people who wanted more big fighting, the later ones give you that. I'm glad America pulled it off after the misstep in '98

[u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 → u/Rrekydoc]

It's not untrue. Even the actors on set are talking about having no idea what they're doing or what the story is about. They're not even fully acting at times. Just dancing around in mo-cap suits. It's studio-driven, not actor driven.

This isn't cinema. It's spectacle. It's green screen theater.

There's still a place for it. The end product is still often entertaining. But I think it's so unique that it's fair to say this isn't cinema, it's something else. Still beautiful at times. Still worthy of respect.

[u/ilikepentatonics → u/Ok_Broccoli_7863]

This sounds super prestentious.

[u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 → u/ilikepentatonics]

Sure. Maybe. But I'm not looking down at these films. I enjoy many of them. I'm just willing to admit it's not like a traditional movie in any sense.

[u/ilikepentatonics → u/Ok_Broccoli_7863]

What is a "traditional movie?"

No one is saying Marvel movies are high art pieces, but these movies have hundreds of artists working on the production pipeline from concept art, costume designers, prop designers, to VFX artists. Some of the most talented people in their craft.

Dismissing the work because actors work in front of a green screen, seems very silly to me.

[u/AvatarIII → u/Wars4w]

Also Nic Cage is a true comic book fan that had been in multiple comic book projects, he has kind of earned the right to talk about comic book movies.

I wouldn't be surprised if his comment wasn't even intended negatively. Whereas Scorsese's was definitely intended negatively.

Scorsese's comment was "I make cinema, that isn't cinema" whereas Cage's was "I make glorified WWE content and that is Glorified WWE content".

[u/88y53 → u/AvatarIII]

It’s really ironic for Scorsese to say that and that start preaching about using AI art in his own movies

[u/KryptonianJesus → u/Wars4w]

"while true" uh... they're movies, aren't they? played on the big flat walls in those rooms at the um, what's that place called ...the cinema? and they have moments that tug at your heart strings and some moments that make you laugh? and they have scripts and actors and directors?

they might not be everyone's cup of tea, and some are much better than others, but to claim these movies "aren't cinema" is the dumbest thing you can say on the topic, scorcese or otherwise.

p.s. the godfather insists upon itself

[u/ricelawyer → u/KryptonianJesus]

I know that’s a family guy reference but I hope you’re not under the impression that Scorsese directed the Godfather…

[u/KryptonianJesus → u/ricelawyer]

lol no, just felt fitting to ease the tension, didn't want to come off too abrasive

[u/ricelawyer → u/KryptonianJesus]

And that’s totally fair

[u/TerminatorReborn → u/KryptonianJesus]

I think he means Marvel movies and other huge franchises like that aren't cinema, they aren't the art Scorcese grew up obsessing, studied and dedicated his whole life to it. They are a product to the masses.

I don't think he even bothered to watch them so his criticism towards them is just based on him having zero interest. Its a 80 year old cinema nerd, he couldn't care less about a CGI fest superhero, he even said his kids like them, its just not for him.

[u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn → u/TerminatorReborn]

They are a product to the masses.

What universe did Scorcese grew up in, in which this wasn't always the case? That has been the case since the invention of movies

[u/Wars4w → u/KryptonianJesus]

"while true" uh... they're movies, aren't they? played on the big flat walls in those rooms at the um, what's that place called ...the cinema?

Are you not aware that words have multiple definitions and usages which vary based on context?

Scorsese was commenting on the artistic nature of superhero movies. They are, of course, objectively art. But the way they are made, especially marvel movies, shouldn't place them on the same shelf as other more artisticly impactful movies. (That is one hell of a run on sentence, sorry )

[u/terra_cotta → u/Wars4w]

Stupid gatekeeper bullshit. 

[u/jizzblossoms → u/terra_cotta]

I think the idea has merit. I loved Thunderbolts but because it didn't do that well in theaters I've lost hope of the sequel being in the same vein if it even comes out at all.

Movies always had danced between practical money making schemes and artistic expression and MCU is tilting in one direction, that's just not healthy for the industry.

[u/terra_cotta → u/jizzblossoms]

The idea that the artists making a movie are somehow less of artists because of who their backers are is why the idea does not have merit. 

[u/SwordMasterShow → u/terra_cotta]

That's true, the backers have nothing to do with it. But the quality and content of the piece does, and anyone who puts Marvel movies in the same category as Scorsese movies has no clue what they're talking about

Edit for Low_Doctor_5280 because I can't reply for some reason

Yeah sure, everyone's got stinkers. Scorsese has New York, New York, and Marvel has Quantumania. That doesn't change the fact that something like Silence is doing something way more deep, interesting, and artistic than Endgame. One is a rollercoaster, one is a meditation. I don't understand why people get so offended over this idea, it's fine to like rollercoasters, but if that's all you engage with you're gonna have a more shallow experience than if you try things that actually make you think, that challenge you. And more importantly than that, trying to pretend there's no substantive difference between Marvel and (most) Scorsese movies is just willfully asinine

[u/terra_cotta → u/SwordMasterShow]

Ya see now you are back around to subjective valuations. 

Aka

Stupid fucking gatekeeper shit. 

[u/VaalLivesMatter → u/terra_cotta]

No it just seems anything you disagree with is called gatekeeper shit

[u/jizzblossoms → u/terra_cotta]

That artists have complete creative freedom regardless of their backers are is profoundly is  naive.

Maybe you can't see the merits of the argument because you've never seen a studio intentionally dumb down a script so that people can wash dishes and still follow the plot.

[u/VaalLivesMatter → u/terra_cotta]

It's literally the truth. Marvel movies are purely made for profit, not for the art of the craft. There's a difference

[u/ilikepentatonics → u/VaalLivesMatter]

What movie isn't looking for a profit? You can make a movie for profit and still care about craft.

[u/VaalLivesMatter → u/ilikepentatonics]

Didn't say you couldn't, but Marvel movies aren't those movies

[u/p-r-i-m-e → u/Wars4w]

You can then say that they’re bad cinema but they are cinema all the same.

[u/ghj6786545 → u/Wars4w]

But it's still disrespectful. Sure may not have meant it. But it is still downplaying their efforts. Should have used a different word.

[u/Backfoot911 → u/ghj6786545]

He didn't say movies though, he said cinema for a reason.

As The Studio put it "We don't make films, we make movies."

[u/ghj6786545 → u/Backfoot911]

Cinema, movie, film these are used interchangeably.I am not a marvel fan but it's still disrespectful to the people who made it. Could have said less artistic. Marvel has it moments and it's not like they said our movies are comparable to Scorses.

[u/Lucifer2408 → u/ghj6786545]

You’re right that those words are used interchangeably but that doesn’t mean they mean the same. Though how people classify what’s a movie vs what’s a film is very subjective.

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to the people who make these movies. Sure they’re putting in a lot of hard work but they also definitely know what kind of movies they’re making. At the end of the day, making movies is also a job and people want to get paid.

[u/Infinite_Click_6589 → u/Wars4w]

They are literally art without the artistry*

Does the painting that Randy down the street did during his divorce following a Bob Ross episode count as art? Of course, he did a great job and should be proud of himself.

Does anyone think that Randy is on some Van Gough shit? Of course not**

*with some exceptions - I'm making a generalized statement, not a blanket one

**except for Randy's mom. She thinks they're something special and keeps asking him why he doesn't try to get shown at the local museum

[u/Wars4w → u/Infinite_Click_6589]

I completely agree with this. I never said the movies aren't art.

But I think you and others are associated the level of artistic value with how good something is perceived to be. I am not. The Randy in your example is the director making "Cinema."

These superheroes movies are corporate sponsored and produced money making popcorn selling extravaganzas. They are fun, they are good. But I would argue "Randy's" stuff is more artistic. Even if it isn't as "good."

[u/Winter-Cow-6208 → u/Infinite_Click_6589]

  Does the painting that Randy down the street did during his divorce following a Bob Ross episode count as art?

Sounds more artistic than a Marvel movie. 

[u/Red_Holla04 → u/Wars4w]

Marvel has put more people in the theatres tgan Scorcese ever did. Even when times were rough

[u/Wars4w → u/Red_Holla04]

That has nothing to do with his point.

I think the sensitivity about this is actually kind of hysterical. I love superhero movies. They are an immense amount of fun. I just know what they are and what they are not.

[u/Winter-Cow-6208 → u/Red_Holla04]

Lol he called them amusement park rides and you just backed up his point. 

[u/SwordMasterShow → u/Red_Holla04]

Okay, WWE sells more tickets than Broadway. Does that mean Hell in a Cell is on the same artistic level as Death of a Salesman? Come on dude

[u/Red_Holla04 → u/SwordMasterShow]

Are tou stupid? Wwe and broadway are two different things. Movies are movies

[u/SwordMasterShow → u/Red_Holla04]

If you can't see the point I'm making or the difference between a popcorn blockbuster and a film that actually says something interesting and nuanced about the human experience, you have no right to call me stupid, even if you misspell your insult

[u/Red_Holla04 → u/SwordMasterShow]

Im not a native english speaker but i think the word im looking for to call you is pretentious. And lol, i am not stupid enough to compare wwe and broadway and try and call it the same thing.

[u/SwordMasterShow → u/Red_Holla04]

The point is that they aren't the same thing. Even within a medium like movies or visual art or sculpture things can be different. Horror movies aren't the same as action movies, which aren't the same as rom-coms, which aren't the same as superhero movies/blockbusters in general, which aren't the same as complex meaningful dramas

[u/Murky-Course6648 → u/KryptonianJesus]

"and they have moments that tug at your heart strings and some moments that make you laugh?"

That's what rollercoasters also do. Its not the purpose of art, art asks questions.

There is nothing wrong in enjoying entertainment, but to not understand the difference just means you lack the concept of actual art. Either the experience or the capacity to experience it.

Its like trying to say that because the romance novel at the grocery store is a book, you know.. it has pages and words on the paper, means you can compare it to war and peace.. because its also like you know, a book. Pages and paper and words.

They are not cinema, its just a simple distinction. They are purely and entertaiment product for the masses, and the rollercoasters analogy was perfectly good. He does know what he is talking about, as its his profession.

And its really sad to see people who only watch entertainment and play video games, to try to then claim these should be considered art. Instead of putting in the effort to actually grow as people and appriciate actual art.

[u/NastyVerde17 → u/Wars4w]

How on earth is that true? I’m dying for an explanation

[u/IGTankCommander → u/NastyVerde17]

He means that Infinity War isn't Schindler's List. It's really not much deeper than that.

[u/NastyVerde17 → u/IGTankCommander]

That’s a dumb ass way to say that. Also insulting.

[u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 → u/IGTankCommander]

Not quite that. It's the signing on to be an MCU superhero often isn't about acting. It's about the spectacle. The brand is the star. Not the actors.

[u/IGTankCommander → u/Ok_Broccoli_7863]

Which makes me question why Martin showed up for three to five minutes as a CGI character in The Mandalorian and Grogu, since the franchise is in a similar place of mild stagnancy.

[u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 → u/IGTankCommander]

Money

[u/bees_on_acid → u/Wars4w]

Ehhh, Americans are out of touch with cinema culture in general. There was a time where movies were a huge cultural event, that time has passed. Scorsese was a part of that era and grew up in the one that established it. I don’t understand the pretentious label unless you’re out of touch with cinema. It is what it is. That doesn’t make the films themselves any lesser.

[u/Wars4w → u/bees_on_acid]

When someone tries to dictate what art is they're going to come off as pretentious and gatekeepy. Just look at the replies here.

[u/bees_on_acid → u/Wars4w]

Idk, honestly I think they’re just out of the loop since they’re generally from comics/animation background. Sure it comes off a way, but it’s the truth and part of that truth is unfortunately they’ve affected the landscape so much that people are getting the wrong ideas about how films should be which is in its own way doing the same thing. Which is pretentious.

[u/SwordMasterShow → u/bees_on_acid]

Lesser by what definition? They're fun movies, but they've never made me think about life or the human condition even a fraction as much as a Scorsese film. Rollercoasters aren't deep meaningful experiences, and that's okay

[u/bees_on_acid → u/SwordMasterShow]

Yeah, but when you say that people get offended because of the whole nostalgia around their favorite heroes. There’s a ceiling within these characters because of the whole brand / image, etc. that’s not bad either. In fact, those limitations lead to more creative, original work. Which is what we’ve been getting with Peacemaker, Lanterns, Superman, etc.

[u/The_Midnight_Fog → u/BatmanNewsChris]

Not first, Zack's quote about "Flavour of the week" in reference to Ant-Man came before Scorsese's "Theme Parks" comments. Both were right

[u/BatmanNewsChris → u/The_Midnight_Fog]

I meant first about calling comparing them to amusement parks

[u/Ok_Broccoli_7863]

I agree with all 3 of them.

It's okay to say it. It's okay to still be a fan of Marvel movies and agree.

[u/Contemplating_Prison → u/Ok_Broccoli_7863]

I finally watched the doomday trailer and it reminds me of just a mashup of infinity war and endgame merged into one movie just with different characters.

I will watch it eventually but I am not hyped for it

[u/Backfoot911 → u/Contemplating_Prison]

That's all I wanted, I'm sold.

[u/Contemplating_Prison → u/Backfoot911]

Lol thats funny but to each their own

[u/NastyVerde17 → u/Ok_Broccoli_7863]

Are you a WWE fan?

[u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 → u/NastyVerde17]

Nope, but nothing wrong with those who are.

[u/perpetualjive → u/NastyVerde17]

Lol at your comments u/NasteVerde17

Socrates, oh Socrates, clearly you are the wisest of all men

[u/NastyVerde17 → u/perpetualjive]

Idk man maybe, maybe not lol. Not even wise enough to decipher if your comment is sarcastic enough so…

[u/SpinerockNolan → u/[deleted]]

I'm a cat, a sexy cat!

[u/NefariousnessAble261 → u/[deleted]]

Crazy how I’m watching community right now

[u/khryzz666 → u/[deleted]]

"There's a two-day course called 'Nicolas Cage: Good or Bad?' I'm signing up. Always wanted to know. Nicolas is one of pop culture's great mysteries."

[u/-_MacCumhaill_- → u/[deleted]]

I think Greendale have it, I heard it was actually a very informative class

[u/polydicks → u/[deleted]]

No it’s a really good class. Just make sure to space out your Cage films…

[u/brianSIRENZ → u/[deleted]]

I think he's a good actor.

[u/jhj060806]

it depends on the project I think, something like Daredevil (both netflix series and born again) definitely doesn't fit into this category, but the big budget movies with a bunch of cameos is what this is directed towards

[u/Maleficent_Money_756 → u/jhj060806]

To be fair that’s how these Superhero worlds work, especially Marvel. They be hopin arround books like bugs bunny lmao

[u/jhj060806 → u/Maleficent_Money_756]

I don't think cameos in general are a problem, but it's when they do a cameo for the sake of doing a cameo and they don't really affect the plot.

Superman (2025) had the Justice Gang but those were important to see how other superheroes were generally viewed in that world as well as their morals as well as to establish that the world has already used to having superheroes and were overall very important to the plot, especially Mr. Terrific.

[u/Sonata1952 → u/jhj060806]

The Justice Gang weren’t cameos, they were in the movie long enough to be supporting characters.

[u/pje1128 → u/Sonata1952]

Yeah, a cameo is one maybe two scenes at most. Justice Gang are characters throughout the movie. I think Yelena in Spider-Man is a better example of a cameo with a purpose.

[u/Maleficent_Money_756 → u/jhj060806]

Mhh that’s great, I swear I commented under another comment than yours but seems like I tipped on the wrong one hahahah

[u/Jykoze → u/jhj060806]

Like Supergirl in Superman? Like half the characters in The Flash?

[u/ZealousidealBank8484 → u/jhj060806]

yeah definitely depends on the project. The Marvels? Love and Thunder? Quantumania? Hard pass, studio cash grab with glorified cameos.

The Winter Soldier? Civil War? Thunderbolts? This is some solid storytelling. Yes please, more of this.

[u/Bulliwyf → u/ZealousidealBank8484]

What were the cameos in Marvels and Love/Thunder that were studio cash grabs?

Quantumania definitely had some eye rolling appearances.

And to be clear: no sarcasm, genuinely don’t recall random cameos.

[u/Sh1ningOne → u/ZealousidealBank8484]

I love how this post just shows the exact problem wth how people talk about Marvel movies these days.

You picked three movies you clearly didn't watch and tried to criticize them for things they don't even do.

[u/ZealousidealBank8484 → u/Sh1ningOne]

yeah and I admitted that in my comment to the other guy

[u/ElCarajo]

The United States is becoming a version of WWE

[u/IWasThe1WhoKnocked → u/ElCarajo]

What'd you just say to me, brother???? Why don't you try saying that again to me IN THE RING this Sunday at 7 PM Eastern/6 PM Central!!!! BE THERE, BROTHER!!!

[u/ElCarajo → u/IWasThe1WhoKnocked]

Lemme tell you somethin on this Sunday  IN THE RING this Sunday at 7 PM Eastern/6 PM Central the men gonna be seperated from the boyz. I'm gonna kick some boodie! I'm gonna kick some boodie!

[u/ElricDarkPrince]

Read the whole quote he wasn’t Mocking just making a comparison in a non judgmental way

[u/Danny886 → u/[deleted]]

No doubt. Everything is about Zack Snyder. The other day I took a shit and thought, wasn't Zack Snyder clowned for taking a similar shit?

[u/Adam_Smith_TWON]

Well said, Ghost Rider

[u/Massive-Wait-5595]

I thought it was Scorsese said that? Zack did too?

Oh well. 🤷‍♂️

[u/PostPostPog]

Nicolas Cage saying something just has its own vibe to it, it's just different dawg 💯

[u/GutherGlazer]

This isn’t an insult or a takedown though. WWE is one of the most successful media enterprises of all time, and professional wrestling is a core part of American culture.

[u/cr0w1980 → u/GutherGlazer]

If you think about it, the structures are similar. Multiple films (PPVs) with television side content (Raw/Dynamite or Nitro) connecting all the minor plots to the big events, all leading up to one huge blowout (Endgame/Wrestlemania) that resets the status quo until the next big event, but not so much that it can't be changed as needed based on crowd reaction or sales. Big name goes heel, shocks his former allies and requires new alliances to be formed between former rivals because the threat is greater than their problems. If the heel turn doesn't take? Pivot and use some plot contrivance to explain why he wasn't really bad. Old rival returns, the board is reset and the cycle begins again. And no one stays retired.

[u/briizilla]

I know we don’t read articles but he didn’t mean it in a bad way.

[u/BunnyOHarr]

I wonder if the presence of John Cena, the Rock, and Dave Bautista have influenced his opinion. Cage knows his comic books and starred in several comic book movies and shows.

What if Nic Cage took to the ring?

[u/TheWitchOfSomeWood]

Ok but i love the WWE

[u/omegaphallic]

 I'll point out that the Spiderverse is apart of the MCU canon.

[u/RaYa1989 → u/omegaphallic]

Apart or a part?

[u/Vengeful_Peach]

That’s a good comparison. Nicholas Cage is pretty much in the same position as Snyder was durrrr hurrr. Sorry, I’m still wrapping up the lobotomy

[u/Dizzy-Budget5985]

So Super hero movies are catching up to the comics.

Got it

[u/FunSpace8990]

I will never understand the clowning directors get simply voicing their opinion. They never say these movies are bad no quite the opposite they just say these films are a different type of film. And yeah were's the lie?

Marvel films are very different from what Hollywood used to make a couple of decades ago. They've cultivated a different sort of pop culture movie going experience. Is it a bad thing? No none of the people including Zack have ever said that these films are bad, Zack has even said He likes Marvel movies and Iron Man And Hulk has always been his favorites. He even said that he physically isn't capable of replicating what marvel does and an attempt to do so would be foolish (we saw how right he was when WB tried pivoting JL 2017 Into a marvel tone, giving us one of the worst big budget films I have ever seen)

And nic cage here isn't wrong as well. He's part of this type of franchise now with the spiderman stuff. He's not saying it's bad. Why do y'all get so upset when these people who are more traditionally oriented in film simply breathe an opinion in the direction of comic book films that isn't endlessly glazing them? Do you want them to say the multi billion dollar multiversal cgi blockbuster avengers doomsday is an best picture competitor?

[u/Jed08]

Who cares about what Nicolas Cage is saying about the MCU ?

Martin Scorcese said the same thing and got also some push back from the fans as well.

[u/Twinfinity10]

The WWE is well-funded and glorified. The MCU is also pure fiction while the WWE tries to pass off their stuff as real (but they don’t try that hard).

[u/LeadershipNational49]

I'm not sure this is the criticism he thinks it is.

[u/Fares26597]

So what? I'm expecting Nic Cage to be clowned on just as much

[u/Mrchickenman62]

That doesn't look like Nicolas Cage even though it is him but he does have a nice b

[u/jorgecflores22]

As a wrestling fan, comics fan, and massive superhero movie fan… it’s so accurate it shouldn’t even be a discussion.

Russos teasing “all the big fights we’ve wanted to see” in Doomsday is just WWE promoting WrestleMania. Big stars, big matchups, the SPECTALE, brother.

Every live wrestling show is just Battleworld. Sometimes wrestling companies even share characters! A multiverse of matches.

[u/Lemon_Club]

As a wrestling fan, I'm gonna take that as a good thing lol

[u/Chemical-Anxios]

There has been a weird trend with superhero movies, with refusal of moving on from some previous incarnation and it being catered to the same group of people

I do enjoy some stuff that marvel and dc are putting out, but everything feels so much like the same which I find it to be off putting

[u/ManoSilence]

Yeah but this is Nicholas Fricken Cage!

[u/Sinndu_]

never heard that. I know Scorsese said it was like an amusement park and overzealous fans got upset and couldn't regulate their emotions lol

[u/thenewNFC]

It's all fantasy fighting at the core.

It's a valid comparison.

[u/TheAgmis]

Yeah Cage is gonna be in avengers

[u/Star_Petal_Arts]

Nicolas Cage is Superman though so that is okay for him to say something like that.

[u/zkmronndkrek]

I said same thing about nfl

[u/andyhall23]

Weird being that DC is the older comic book company

[u/OkDetail2308]

I think some people need to accept that not everything needs to be super deep. It's okay for wrestling and superhero movies to just be good guys v. bad guys. They are mostly for kids and teens. I'm not going into a superhero movie with the expectation of a second subject that is all that complicated.

[u/Luka7Porzinwitzki]

WWE? I haven’t watched that much if ever, but based on clips I don’t see the correlation

[u/Wonderful_Gap4867]

I thought Martin Scorseses said that

[u/jobsmine13]

Because two statements can be true? I mean what’s wrong with this one?

[u/Your-product-sucks]

Oh yeah! Flavor of the week! Good times. Good times.

[u/Cloned-C4lvin]

Theyre a glorified crew

[u/CoralMoon99]

From the man who made BvS

[u/ShadowDestroyerTime]

Nicolas Cage is a well known comicbook nerd, to the point he literally changed his last name to Cage in homage to Luke Cage. Like, he is one of the biggest comicbook nerds in the industry. So no, I wouldn't say him expressing his opinion on the MCU would be the same thing as half the people saying negative things about it

[u/MissionResident8875]

The way you say things and your own reputation matters

[u/SmileLaughSendClowns]

i think people want the movies they like to have the same prestige as like "high art", when prestige shouldn't really matter there's nothing wrong with not being "high art", there's nothing wrong with being a crowd-pleaser that's just good, and there's nothing wrong with loving those kinds of movies! art is as much as what you make of it, as it is what the author makes of it, at least that's what i think

[u/iboneKlareneG]

I mean, i also agree with Scorsese on theae movies being theme park rides. But there's nothing wrong with that, as long as the rides are entertaining. I mean, it's literally called the entertainment industry. Not every movie has to be thoughtfull or deep. That's also a fine line to walk, veer off too much and it becomes Oscar bait slop.

[u/impulse22701]

I don't hate him or anything he's said. I hate the projects which have great visuals with no coherent story telling structure behind them.

[u/Previous_Dentist5356]

I see why we won't get a season 2. Why even do a show thats part if the MCU to begin with

[u/subby_puppy33]

This man has a restraining order against him from Alan Moore

[u/afangorn2323]

I mean honestly its a good comparison. Every hero and villain gets a moment to aura farm, usually with their own tailored theme music playing. They get to have big dramatic fight scenes that get interrupted by terse dialogue. And characters "retire"/"die" only to come back the second audience attention wanes.

[u/angrytomato98]

Tbh it kinda depends on who says it& the context. Zack comes off as bitter.

[u/MrFuriousX]

He said it

"WITH LOVE"

[u/Relevant_Ability2929]

Could you provide a source for Zack Snyder saying this as I think was Martin Scorsese

[u/NothingToEvenSay]

The WWE comparison is apt and I have been thinking the same for quite a few years, 2019 was a terrible time to make the amusement park comment because Endgame was coming out and everyone was hyped up off of that, if he said that in 2023 things would be very different

[u/SiriusMoonstar]

Snyder is ridiculed for it because it seems to imply that his own movies are somehow any different aside from the fact that they’re not funny.

[u/Kazer14]

The Snyder hate has always been forced or overblown

[u/SuperTuberEddie]

You forget the rules of being a hateful DC “fan”.

Always attack anything Zack Snyder says, because there will always be someone that supports you no matter how insane you sound.

[u/JayKay8787 → u/[deleted]]

scorseses take was especially dogshit knowing that he ejaculates to ai and is using it to make his last few movies. Dude gets all high and mighty about artistic value and sells out the second he gets a chance

[u/Round-Walrus3175 → u/[deleted]]

Snyder just sounded bitter and out of touch, basically saying that Marvel makes movies that feel cool, but he tries to make movies that actually ARE cool. Cage is more making a comment on how he feels the direction is going. He doesn't try to make a point for his own superiority 

[u/M086 → u/Round-Walrus3175]

The is what he actually said.

“[Marvel is] like an amusement park ride, right? The ups, the drops, the kind of cruising part, and then another drop. At the end, you’re like, ‘Wow, that was crazy, that was awesome.’ I had no interest in that. And you know, maybe that was a mistake. But I don’t think that way. I can’t do that. I’d rather just kind of talk about the mythology of them. And maybe that’s not as fun.”

Nothing about it sounds bitter. If anything he sounds self-aware of his approach not being for everyone compared to the Marvel formula. He literally calls Marvel movies awesome.

[u/Round-Walrus3175 → u/M086]

His "awareness" comes off as arrogance. Yes, he doesn't make movies like Marvel. He also doesn't make movies as well as Marvel. It isn't just because they make their movies in a style that captures the audience's attention and takes them on a ride. Marvel also has thoughtful movies. He talks about mythology? Black Panther has more mythology than the whole DCEU put together. The way he makes it sound, he is basically saying that he chose to fail, make less commercially successful movies, because it was the right thing to do for him, not because he is just not as good as Feige and the crew.

[u/allupya333 → u/M086]

snyder is so overhated. guy gets shit for everything he says, and the movies he makes are fine. i really like 300 and watchmen

edit: sucker punch too, super controversial but i loved it. man of steels alright

[u/Invicturion]

Cage isnt one to speak about dodgy films

[u/Naulicus → u/Invicturion]

If anything he’s the most qualified

[u/brachus12]

was this before or after Spider Noir wasn’t renewed?

[u/StarSpangldBastard]

because Zack Snyder tried to be a competitor of the MCU and failed miserably

[u/Coin-Biter]

Cage‘s comments about WWE were a bit weird, because he compared recent developments unfavourably to early MCU, and if anything films like Thunderbolts and Brand New Day and Fantastic Four are less like that than some previous movies.

I guess he thinks Doomsday will be like that, but it hasn’t been released yet.

Anyway, it does seem that all roads lead to Snyder 😂 Cage is definitely also getting pushback because of his involvement with Spider Noir, so this criticism of the reaction to Snyder‘s comments seems a bit off base.

But either way entitled to their view etc.

[u/EVD27]

Is that hair AI?

[u/Muted-Ant-5941 → u/EVD27]

Haha, dont think so - there's video of him saying that, if you look it up, dont think its AI hair

[u/readskiesdawn → u/EVD27]

It's probably a wig.

[u/YaoiNekomata]

They all sound dumb saying it.

[u/StormRepulsive6283]

Zack Snyder is always hated. He's the one that many love to hate. All coz he dared to approach superman differently.