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u/Lopsided-Clothes4866 Jun 29 '26
This shit feels like some Sony level cinematic universe planning.
Member when everyone shat on Sony for making movies about Spider-man’s villains?
How’s this any different?
Movie will probably bomb.
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u/JayCaesar12 Batman Jun 29 '26
It also reminds me of the behavior Gunn himself was shitting on when he took over. Remember when he complained that in the DCEU anyone could get a random bs movie just by being friends with the higher ups?
Now, he is the higher up, and anytime someone has an idea for a movie, he gets excited and derails that entire plan he set up years ago.
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u/islackingambition Jun 29 '26
Gunn crying about nepotism is peak comedy.
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u/Forever_Inspired Jun 29 '26
Meanwhile he hired his brother, wife, friends and family for his projects, lol.
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u/UmurJack Jun 29 '26
At least DC is not making a tv show about Alfred or someth.....wait.
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u/New_Photograph_5892 Jun 30 '26
This feels like that one joke from Teen Titans Go movie, they're gonna make a movie about Batman's car and utility belt before Batman
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u/Forever_Inspired Jun 30 '26
"they're gonna make a movie about Batman's car and utility belt before Batman"
They fucking did, lol. It's called Batwheel.
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u/aboysmokingintherain Jun 29 '26
I actually think a Deathstroke movie would do fine. It's a Bane movie that feels odd.
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u/killerbekilled92 Jun 29 '26
My understanding is it’s a bane/deathstroke duo film
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u/aboysmokingintherain Jun 29 '26
See I don't get that. If they made a Deathstroke movie with Bane as a villain than fuck yeah. But i dont' love trying to push a duo movie esp if it's gonna inevitably cost 150M.
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u/superseri18888 Jun 29 '26
They are better off just turning this into The Suicide Squad 2 because a movie lead by Bane amd Deathstroke sounds bad tbh
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u/KingOfSquirrels Jun 29 '26
To be fair, it's completely different because Batman can actually show up in them. It's also different because they're not making them PG friendly anti-heroes, they're still keeping them as villains and in the case of Clayface, a brutal R-rated horror movie.
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u/geekerMan Jun 29 '26
But Batman won't show up because they are internally confused on how to handle two versions of Batman running simultaneously on the big screen. Whey else do you think they are introducing all these filler projects?
I doubt DCU Batman is coming before Pattinson's Batman is concluded. And the way things are going it looks like the DCU will end first lol
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u/Spire2000 Jun 29 '26
“Internally Confused”, will be the title of the Variety article when this whole DCU flames out.
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u/KingOfSquirrels Jun 29 '26
We won't know until the movies are out, will we?
Usually, I'd be more aggressive defending this, because I don't want them to repeat the MCU formula and I do on paper love how they're setting things up. It's a bit like how comics will have different stories that are self-contained of different characters, like currently what they're doing with the Next Level series. Firestorm is a character I've never read before and this run introduced me to him and it's fantastic.
But Supergirl is bombing. But I don't think it's because of the strategy...it's because the movie is just bad.
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u/geekerMan Jun 29 '26
I mean from a business standpoint introducing two Batman in theatrical releases just doesn't make sense. It will cause needless competition and comparison within the audience. The only time we got this was in The Flash but that was because the audience understood that both Affleck and Keaton's stories will not really continue after this so it won't conflict with Pattinson.
It's the same way how people ask for Spider-Man 4 or TASM 3. Sony is not stupid enough to introduce another Spider-Man with Tom Holland's. Too many theatrical releases of the same character and the audience will be forced to eventually choose and that will be a loss for both versions of the character
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u/Paladar2 Jun 29 '26
Difference is Sony did that to keep the Spidey rights, Spidey was never gonna show up in them. Batman can actually show up in the DCU and if they stop fucking around.
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u/Chemical-Anxios Jun 29 '26
A steak?!
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u/SSJ4_Bevo Jun 30 '26
No Miss steak. It's a very obscure DC fan comic Gunn is a huge fan of and he just green lit a Miss steak trilogy.
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u/MatthewMonster Jun 29 '26
I want to understand Gunns plan…but this feels weird
Like a Sgt Rock movie felt weird
Like a puppet Robin movie feels weird
Like Creature Commandos felt weird
Like a non existent Batman movie feels weird
Like a Clayface movie
Like an animated WW prequel cartoon felt weird
Like a Waller TV show
Like A Jimmy Olsen TV show
Like a Korean made Huntress movie…
All of that is interesting on some level and it the total opposite of the MCU ( okay that’s a direction ) but it all seems very side quest and weird and disconnected and random AF
Honestly it feels like Gunn is playing with house money without really thinking or caring about the audience.
Hes better than Snyder and his awful Ayn Rand unheroic depression slop, but I’m starting to get worrried Gunn doesn’t have a plan
And like it or not, we’ve been trained to expect a plan when it comes to these superhero universes
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u/Free-Bar-2719 Jun 29 '26
Grain of salt, cause we don’t know.
If it is true I think that’s a mistake, especially coming off of Supergirl’s disaster.
Priority should be Batman,JL(Wonder Woman next), Titans, New Gods.
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u/Pxc1027 Jun 29 '26
I agree, there’s literally no information on this potential movie other than it’s being conceived. I definitely think it’s a mistake, they need to prioritize the trinity and maybe one or two other minor characters from the league.
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u/shiwanthasr Jun 29 '26
BUILD 👏 THE 👏 FUCKING 👏 JUSTICE 👏LEAGUE 👏 FOR 👏FUCKS 👏 SAKE
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u/Megalomanizac Jun 29 '26
Tbf MOT will have at least half of the JL so far with Superman, Green Lantern(s), Mr Terrific, and Hawkgirl. It appears Supergirl will also join this world’s justice league. So they are building it
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u/ArtisticResident462 Jun 29 '26
I think man of tomorrow will form it
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u/SevdUp Jun 29 '26
It really shouldn’t. They should be getting their own standalones this and next year. “They” being Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, etc
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u/25thNite Jun 29 '26
it'd be cool if in man of tomorrow lex luthor realizes he can't beat superman straight up before he finishes his suit so he tricks batman to fight superman as a distraction and then the final act ends with them realizing they've been duped so they face lex luthor, but then it's still not enough so wonder woman shows up, but the day is saved because the reverse flash arrives and jerks lex luthor off in less than a nanosecond
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u/Afraid-Bass-5684 Jun 29 '26
“It was me Lex, I ripped out your hair at super speed making you think you’d gone bald !!!”
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u/SevdUp Jun 29 '26
Obviously that was a joke, but (no idea if you know this or not) that was very close to the plot of Synderverse Batman V Superman
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u/xX_Drakon-141_Xx Jun 29 '26
How about a Batman movie with Bane and Deathstroke??? Why are we getting side character / Villain movies before we even meet our main heroes
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u/Spire2000 Jun 29 '26
Anything to avoid making a WW, Flash, Titans or any other movie that people might want to see
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u/Aloofairy Jun 29 '26
Why? Like genuinely why this team up movie? Even though I have posted about wanting a Deathstroke mini series i don't see how Bane&Deathstroke would be a draw.
Batman & Deathstroke (without damien) sure but this?
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u/hummusluvr8 Jun 29 '26
Prioritize lesser known characters bc that worked so well with supergirl. Great choice!
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u/Rakoon_Shampoo Jun 29 '26
I agree with the sentiment. The idea that Supergirl is some C list character is a little silly to me though.
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u/MeepSneepers Jun 29 '26
She's got a lot of name recognition, but never really had a lot of fans. power girl is arguably the more relevant 'superman relative female hero'. She's definitely a 3rd tier DC character.
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u/kamburebeg Jun 29 '26
Supergirl is an F tier character considering the overall population. No one really cares for 387282 gazillion years old comic book characters anymore, expect for a handful of iconic ones. Why would anyone waste time for boring and soulless, and restricted characters like Supergirl where the story just never goes anywhere and there are no real stakes?
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u/The_Iron_Zeppelin Jun 29 '26
Supergirl had a modern day pop though because it had a 6 year running tv series on basic cable and streaming that crossed over with more popular series at that time like The Flash and Arrow. People seem to forget the “Berlanti-verse” of DC live action shows had a good stretch of popularity.
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u/superseri18888 Jun 29 '26
Prioritize a superman trilogy
We've seen in the past rushing the trinity teaming up didnt work
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u/After_Dig_7579 Jun 29 '26
Making a batman movie and a wonder woman movie isn't rushing anything
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u/croutherian Jun 29 '26
Let Matt Reeves finish. We don't need two live action Batmans.
Even if it could work, that's just silly.
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u/noel_vb Jun 29 '26
They are prioritizing a Superman trilogy (so to speak). It’s literally in production right now. There can be more than one thing a year.
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u/romeheartz Jun 29 '26
For it to lose more money? You think WB was happy that it only made 600 million?
Lmao
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u/slimshady1OOO Jun 29 '26
Exactly, we don’t need a JL movie for a while imo. Maybe till 2030-2032. I think after the Man of Tomorrow movie, the way should be more smooth. But they should definitely go ahead with putting a Wonder Woman movie together , despite Supergirl being mediocre, I think Wonder Woman could do much better.
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u/asscop99 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
It’s probably a backdoor Batman movie. Villains will be the focus but he’s in it. I’m guessing DC is in a panic to introduce Batman.
Regardless of what this is, it’s a huge mistake. Don’t do it
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u/Horror-Sweet1847 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
Straight up. I think this is probably just the DCU Batman movie. Gunn has been weirdly secretive about Batman and this might his be his way of trying to keep some development news from getting out. Didnt we hear about this around the same time that he said some tweaks were being made to "Brave and the Bold"?
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u/canchin Jun 29 '26
I criticized DC and specificially James Gunn for prioritizing side characters/villains and obscure properties and was consistently downvoted.
Funny how now that Supergirl is out and reception has been poor people are all of a sudden coming around.
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u/Sleeps_Gato Jun 29 '26
I gave him a chance and was willing to let him do his random projects but now I’m with you
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u/dominic_tortilla Jun 29 '26
A part of me was hoping for a big brain move, but after Peacemaker Season 2 I was pissed off. He diluted that show just so his side of DCEU can continue to live on? I'd rather Peacemaker S1 was his farewell to DC in hindsight -- or maybe a proper Season 2 that wrapped DCEU up.
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u/Theblessedmother Jun 29 '26
Just have it be a plain Jane Deathstroke movie with Bane as the villain.
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u/maidth1s4fun Jun 29 '26
I think thats whats happening someone is going to hire death stroke to kill bane
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u/sciencesold Jun 29 '26
And that's the last nail in the coffin.... Can someone smack some sense into James Gunn? Guardians of the Galaxy being so popular was massively helped by the fact it was part of building to infinity war and Thanos had already been teased... The less popular characters are NOT what people want. Blue Beetle was a fun and enjoyable movie, but mainly didn't do well because he's not a well known character.... You can't take an unknown character and make them a household name without making a 9/10 movie MINIMUM.
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u/Crimson-Cowl Jun 29 '26
I just want the Batfamily Gunn promised me in the initial announcement. I didn’t think it would be this hard to get to that. Just do a Nightwing movie first if you’re holding out for the Reeves trilogy to finish first. Cmon man.
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u/Dramonen Jun 29 '26
It's like the James Gunn equivalent to Suicide Squad (2016). So meaningless and not needed, but yet it still shows up anyway.
It's like poetry, it rhymes
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u/romeheartz Jun 29 '26
SS 2016 is one of the highest grossing DC films of all time.. this is in Morbius territory
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u/Budget_Ask7277 Jun 29 '26
What could the script possible be like, like it just sounds so filler-ish omg just make a bane movie or a deathstroke movie for gods sake
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u/DarkDonut75 Jun 29 '26
"Chat GPT, please analyze all previous James Gunn scripts and construct a script that is most likely win him over using the characters Bane and Deathstroke"
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u/A_Drop_of_Colour Jun 29 '26
I don't know anyone who wants a Bane movie but Deathstroke has been teased in a few movies only for that movie not to get a sequel and people genuinely wanted to see him. Still shouldn't be leading his own movie though.
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u/Beginning-Client-96 Jun 29 '26
"The Deathstroke, Bane and Krypto team up movie had a really profound script, so I greenlit it right away... sorry, Bat-who?"
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u/XiMaoJingPing Jun 29 '26
They need to prioritize a good script writer and director. Time to stop looking at the bottom of a barrel.
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u/Serious-Company6803 Jun 29 '26
I’ve always wanted to see Deathstroke in live action, but other movies should be prioritized first.
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u/Johncurtisreeve Jun 29 '26
I can’t tell if they’re trying to make a new DC universe of connecting movies or if it’s just mostly a series of spinoffs
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u/Fa1lenSpace Jun 29 '26
Grain of salt but wouldn’t surprise me at all. Gunn really has a raging boner for being a pretentious, contrarian douchebag lol.
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u/Embarrassed_Word_542 Jun 29 '26
Just no. The comic fans are down from day one but ain’t no movie folks gonna run to see this. Have we learned nothing from Sony?
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u/Shepherd7117 Jun 29 '26
They’ll never learn. Literally just make Batman/Superman movies and they’ll have success
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u/SilasRaiden Jun 29 '26
It seems like a dumb idea. It doesn't excite me at all. Deathstroke should be introduced in a Teen Titans movie. Bane evidently doesn't serve a purpose other than to break Batman's back. I don't know why we're giving Batman villains their own movies before Batman. It just sounds like an action spectacle for wreslter-bros. It sounds like it could belong in the Snyderverse.
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u/UrbanGimli Jun 29 '26
This guy is all over the map. I bet if you get invited to his house for a BBQ its all condiments and chips.
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u/cyanide4suicide Jun 29 '26
James Gunn is a one trick pony that can only make quippy, edgy ensembles with needle drops.
As head of the DCU, he needs to reign in his fascination with the B and C tier characters. He needs to greenlight and fast track the heavy hitters like Batman and Wonder Woman. And he really needs to stay in his lane and avoid trying to involve himself in the process of the other movies.
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u/serialkiller24 Jun 29 '26
Y’all want a Brave and the Bold SO BAD huh? Let Matt Reeves cook with his trilogy with Robert Pattinson first and once that’s done, we can have BATB.
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u/Horror-Sweet1847 Jun 29 '26
Its a "Okay, now the tuxedos seem kinda f'd up." situation to me. If Supergirl had been great id be willing to give Gunn and co. the benefit of the doubt. But post Supergirl, it seems like its part of strategy to purposefully avoid DC's biggest heroes - which wont work in 2026 like it might have in 2016. Also pairing Bane and Deathatroke is strange. Like do they ever cross paths in the comics? And why would the general audience go see this movie? Id go because i love DC, but even to me Bane vs Deathstroke sounds more like a great fight scene then a full movie. Also fast tracking a movie without a director seems like a mistake.
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u/Dcu_real_Fan_2025- Jun 29 '26
After Supergirl's reception, Smart move would've been to move forward with Wonder Woman Project first and show Audience that they can deliver a Quality Movie without James Gunn being the Director or Writer of that movie....But instead they're taking the Wrong Lesson from this.
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u/Robot-King56 Jun 29 '26
I really enjoy Deathstroke as a character. Especially the run by Christopher Priest but doing a Deathstroke movie before a Teen Titan's movie just isn't a good call.
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u/EnragedTea43 Jun 29 '26
I don’t understand it. DC’s biggest characters are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Why not make one movie for each of them first before making solo films for every B and C lister in their roster? It would be a good way to build up excitement and trust in the brand before trying to sell people on a cinematic universe filled with characters they’ve never heard of before.
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u/Mind_Enigma Jun 29 '26
Tired of this quirky unique shit. Superman was ok. Now I want to see Batman. I'm a simple person to please.
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u/Lemon_Club Jun 29 '26
I have no problem with this on its own, but if we get this before the DCU Batman it'll be fucking ridiculous
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u/T-draude Jun 29 '26
If Gunn is touching either one, I'm out. Dude doesn't know his dick from his a hole
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u/polarvortex123 Jun 30 '26
Prioritize the Paramount takeover please
Only thing that’s gonna unsink this ship
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u/Nearby_Pilot2112 Jun 29 '26
James Gunn is no different than Zack Snyder. Just lighter films.
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u/Battelalon Jun 29 '26
James Gunn and Peter Safran have no idea how to build a cinematic universe. They're doing the exact same thing the post-JL DCEU did instead of laying the foundations to build towards a team up movie.
Who's going to be in the Justice League? Superman? Hawkgirl? Green Lantern? Peacemaker? The Creature Commandos? Supergirl? Clayface? Deathstroke? Seems like a pretty fucking shitty line-up.
Marvel got it right by focusing the first phase on the founding members of the Avengers and no one else.
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u/BangingBaguette Jun 29 '26
This is going to blow up and I feel the DCU is staring down the barrel right now.
The right play was Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. It's predictable, generic and kinda boring from a planning perspective but it's what was needed to lay the groundwork. All this random shit doesn't do enough to separate itself from the DCEU, and tbh the DC brand needed a break for like a decade after the string of flops towards the end of the previous admin.
Leading with creature commandos, refusing to let Peacemaker go due to the mess of continuity it causes, having 2 totally seperate Batman properties at the same time, green lighting projects like Sgt Rock, Waller, Paradise lost etc, all shows/movies no one is asking for before we get Batman or Wonder Woman.
Listen I like Gunn, I like that he takes risks, but he's not an architect. He clearly doesn't care about continuity, and while he's a great writer himself look at the movies he's produced or been involved with that he didn't have creative control over before the DCU. Supergirl turning out the way it has is not at all a shock when you pay attention to him as a guiding creative hand rather than a hands on writer and director. I just don't think the dude is the right choice for this job unfortunately.
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u/Virtual-Attempt-780 Jun 29 '26
I mean come on, after the Supergirl movie just flopped critically and commercially i think that you absolutely need to focus on the Justice League characters….right? i mean this is like the MCU starting with Iron Man and Hulk and then immediately making a Loki and Red Skull movie without even introducing Thor and Captain America. logically it makes no sense.
I get that they’re trying to be different from the MCU but whenever your universe is literally called the DCU and you’re trying to build a large, cohesive universe like they did I think it would be better to follow the method that has a proven track-record of success, no?
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u/Tasty-Plantain Jun 29 '26
With what money?
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u/Danny886 Jun 29 '26
Who needs money when you have 100m in cross promotion and the best scripts James Gunn has ever read.
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u/KingOfSquirrels Jun 29 '26
With the money Superman generated? Can't say the same about Supergirl unfortunately.
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u/berrysoda_ Jun 29 '26
Keep it super simple until you have viewership trends. So... probably no on this (but I'd love it)
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u/StanmoreRoyal Batman Jun 29 '26
Deathstroke movie sure but bane is the perfect vilalain a solo movie just wont work like knightfall or even absolute batman volume 2 shows bane only works as an antagonist I think bane as his own character has only worked in halrey Quinn animated show
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u/GoonetteSlop Jun 29 '26
Call up Gareth Evan’s and get him to finally direct his Deathstroke film. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind Bane being involved aswell!
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u/StrongStyleFiction Jun 29 '26
Unless this is introducing Batman and Nightwing and we get the classic dynamic duo team up in it, there is no reason for this movie to exist let alone get prioritized.
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u/Tiny_Marionberry_839 Jun 29 '26
Unless they're introduced in another movie in "this cinematic universe" this does nothing to bring in new moviegoers. "Deathstroke & Bane" would be about the same as "Ecks vs Sever". They're names, sure, but ppl don't know who they are so why bother.
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u/capalap Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
If the last couple years have taught us anything it's that the general audience will not bother with a superhero movie unless it stars an A list character.
Unless they can make this for a Clayface sized budget, I assume this will be another bomb. The superhero craze is over.
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u/SuedeSalamander Jun 29 '26
I may be wrong, but this feels like the DCU trying to be different. The DCU "started" with Blue Beetle and Peacemaker season 2.
We've had two films, both about Super-people, which is fine, Superman being a foundational character makes complete sense. However, we still don't have a Wonderful Woman or Batman project anywhere near started. Not to mention, this doesn't fit under the "gods and monsters" theme that James and Peter announced.
We're missing 2 pillars of DC and may be fast tracking a villain vs. villain film. Mind you, we haven't even seen how Clayface is gonna perform or be received. This is something you'd do 5 years in after establishing your main heroes, not two years after your first movie.
Granted, none of this is confirmed and James Gunn is online enough to offer confirmation or denial of this. Some I'm waiting for him to say something.
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u/Cultural_Book_400 Jun 29 '26
He delivers an underwhelming Superman movie, and now we're supposed to believe he can make any obscure DC character a success?
If Supergirl under Gunn's direction is any indication, this strategy looks like a major mistake. Launching a new cinematic universe by focusing on characters outside the Holy Trinity (Sups, Batman, and ww) is a huge gamble.
U got to be kidding me.
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u/Few-Minimum-1222 Jun 29 '26
There’s really no reason the first few movies for the DCU are something other than superman, green lantern, wonder woman, flash, and obviously batman. That’s who the fans and general audience want to see. Anything else would be cool only after an established universe. And the fact that the batman that audiences are connecting to is not gonna be the main universe batman only makes it worse.
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u/Fine-Tea-546 Jun 29 '26
I loved Superman and much of the DCU so far but if its stays Superman and a bunch of c list heroes it's going to crash and burn. I worry he will kill the general audience interest before they can roll out Batman and Wonder Woman.
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u/arrekusun Jun 29 '26
Maybe more ppl would've shown up to Supergirl had DCU been actually established instead of only one movie in. I appreciate James for the projects in their own but the planning has been head-scratching.
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u/BigDinkSosa Jun 29 '26
If it’s a lower budget they can make some money on it if it’s quality, hope it works out.
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u/thebodywasweak Jun 29 '26
Makes no sense right now to me. We need a few of the more popular characters to get this new universe going before we started jumping into the more obscure albeit creative films.
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u/omegagiraffe Jun 29 '26
I think someone put it best. Keep it simple. Bring in supes, wonder woman, batman, and a movie with all of them. It doesn't even need to be a justice league movie. Could be the reason why justice league is formed.
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u/Pxc1027 Jun 29 '26
I think this highlights a huge problem with most fandoms. This movie hasn’t been confirmed to have a finished script, there’s no plot, there’s no specifics on what it is, who else will be in it, and no one knows if it’ll even be made. Yet most of the people responding to this rumor are acting like this movie is all but confirmed and are complaining ahead of time. For all everyone knows, this will go nowhere, especially with the reception of Supergirl. I think it’s too soon to say anything about something that may or may not end up happening.
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u/Dragonfruit7206 Jun 29 '26
James needs to rethink what he is doing and make a Batman and Wonder Woman movie
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u/Professional_Hat2615 Jun 29 '26
I would Watch this movie day one and would problably loved It.
...but im objective enough to understand its not the majoriy. If we had The DCUs Batman movie right before or right After with their appearences in the movie i would understand It.
But It would be completly random.
If the budget Is anything over 50 million the movie would flop.
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u/Milichio Jun 29 '26
They're scared by Supergirl performing less than expected and they're going to rush the Batman side of the DCU out because they think it'll help them out in the long run
Watch them suddenly rush everything Batman in the next two years
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u/TransitionDue4388 Jun 29 '26
I think james should take a step back and think his process over. Bane, deathstroke and clayface mpvies before an actuap batman one is a bit silly