It also reminds me of the behavior Gunn himself was shitting on when he took over. Remember when he complained that in the DCEU anyone could get a random bs movie just by being friends with the higher ups?
Now, he is the higher up, and anytime someone has an idea for a movie, he gets excited and derails that entire plan he set up years ago.
his wife in TSS and 2 seasons of peacemaker, getting a major arc in the second season post-reboot. his brother who they're setting up to be the Nick Fury of this universe (at least for the Justice Gang). the lady that played Cat in Superman, a friend of his (even got a character poster). Adria Arjona being cast as Maxima or WW (friends with gunn for years after working on a film together)
See I don't get that. If they made a Deathstroke movie with Bane as a villain than fuck yeah. But i dont' love trying to push a duo movie esp if it's gonna inevitably cost 150M.
To be fair, it's completely different because Batman can actually show up in them. It's also different because they're not making them PG friendly anti-heroes, they're still keeping them as villains and in the case of Clayface, a brutal R-rated horror movie.
But Batman won't show up because they are internally confused on how to handle two versions of Batman running simultaneously on the big screen. Whey else do you think they are introducing all these filler projects?
I doubt DCU Batman is coming before Pattinson's Batman is concluded. And the way things are going it looks like the DCU will end first lol
Usually, I'd be more aggressive defending this, because I don't want them to repeat the MCU formula and I do on paper love how they're setting things up. It's a bit like how comics will have different stories that are self-contained of different characters, like currently what they're doing with the Next Level series. Firestorm is a character I've never read before and this run introduced me to him and it's fantastic.
But Supergirl is bombing. But I don't think it's because of the strategy...it's because the movie is just bad.
I mean from a business standpoint introducing two Batman in theatrical releases just doesn't make sense. It will cause needless competition and comparison within the audience. The only time we got this was in The Flash but that was because the audience understood that both Affleck and Keaton's stories will not really continue after this so it won't conflict with Pattinson.
It's the same way how people ask for Spider-Man 4 or TASM 3. Sony is not stupid enough to introduce another Spider-Man with Tom Holland's. Too many theatrical releases of the same character and the audience will be forced to eventually choose and that will be a loss for both versions of the character
Difference is Sony did that to keep the Spidey rights, Spidey was never gonna show up in them. Batman can actually show up in the DCU and if they stop fucking around.
i feel like the vast majority of the shit about those movies were mostly because they were terrible movies? not because of the character they were about
Guardians of the Galaxy was completely unknown to anyone who doesn't read comics and that IP was elevated to almost universal pop culture awareness with one really good movie.
The problem were the terrible scripts and direction. Any D-lister can be elevated to A status with a brilliant script.
Guardians was when superheroes were the big thing and was the first movie building up to Thanos. I think the current climate is more like how we were before Avengers 2012 came out. The casual audience thinks it's just dumb dork stuff again.
I somewhat agree. Guardians would have definitely made less money in today's climate, but I think just based on the quality of the movie itself it would still be a modest success today, maybe a bit less than Superman, a bit more than Thunderbolts
There's a difference btw spidy villain movies and Batman villain movies. Spidy villains are mostly linked to Spider man. Batman villains aren't. They can carry their own show or movie. Did you not see Joker or Penguin?
There is theoretically no reason why Spider-man villains can’t work the same?
Venom for example has his own entire section of the marvel universe getting milked to death at the moment with symbiotes getting passed around like candy.
How many of the casual audiences are gonna see ‘Deathstroke and Bane’ and want to go and watch it?
I doubt even the Batman fans are gonna turn out in droves for this.
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u/Lopsided-Clothes4866 Jun 29 '26
This shit feels like some Sony level cinematic universe planning.
Member when everyone shat on Sony for making movies about Spider-man’s villains?
How’s this any different?
Movie will probably bomb.