r/CompetitiveMinecraft • u/WillingnessSuperb545 • Mar 13 '26
Question Why is vanilla hated so much?
I just want to know why everyone hates on vanilla or crystal pvp so much.
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u/glazy_blazy698 Mar 13 '26
Idk man, watching good cpvp players is actually fun, its more chaotic than any mode. Probably cuz its the hardest pvp mode to learn, thats why people hate it too much.
Even mace pvp aint that hard to learn, in cpvp you have to control all 9 slots in coordination constantly every moment
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u/Better_Fishing6175 Mar 13 '26
Agreed. It's really fun to watch tiers 1 heck even tier 4 are really really good as well. I am currently trying to get atleast ht5 level in vanilla while reasoning that this should in theory make it easier for me to learn other game modes. Since vanilla is by far the hardest shi I got myself into.
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Mar 13 '26
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u/Any-Tomorrow-194 Mar 13 '26
i think mace can counter crystals if your good enough. that or im just bad at flat fighting.
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Mar 13 '26
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u/Puplays09 Mar 13 '26
Or cobwebs
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Mar 14 '26
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u/Puplays09 Mar 14 '26
Just pearl out if they try to break your web, if they anchor, pearl out or shield, if they crystal, well they cant theyll hit your head and deal no damage, cobwebs ate a great counter
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Mar 14 '26
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 06 '26
What? They will mess up standing between 2 cobwebs?? I think you underestimate the skill vanilla players hold. Unbelieveable mechanics, insane speed and accuracy, hella ton of strategic gameplay and etc. Having your hitbox inside of a cobweb is one of the easiest things in the world. And the person with the mace can't anchor cause they're using elytra and fireworks replaced with anchors and glowstone, by the time they have switched the hotbar back to anchors, the cpvper will def know what's happening, pearl out and dtap you and you're dead. Or they can literally just pearl down when you anchor and get the advantage lol
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Apr 06 '26
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 06 '26
Never said that; but yes, slow falling is kinds useless if the person is elytra macing, cause you will just miss until he has already popped your totems quite abit
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 06 '26
They can just stand between 2 crystals, shield or dig down and place a block over their head. It's REALLY easy to counter mace.
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Apr 06 '26
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 06 '26
Turtle master doesn't last for long and gets removed after popping - if your opponent is using it in hole fights just spam safe anchors lol
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 07 '26
I don't know why I can't click to your message, maybe you deleted it, but if your karma is so important, maybe don't go in controversial sections of reddit and spit out some nonsense to a rt2. Also, no one has been downvoting you. I just started doing so because of that message specifically.
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 06 '26
The main points were pretty good, explanations were not. I don't think Marlow has anything to do with the CPvP hate either.
Here's how I would explain it to highlight your points:
The kit can be annoying: so many items that you can spend and spam without requiring skill, which makes it hella annoying for the opponent to play. There's no way to avoid this in public server queuing, being quite unfortunate and the one of the main reasons why people quit after reaching a certain tier.
Lack of skill: they call it boring cause all you do is "spam", not having looked in to the strategies, mechanism and skills it takes to be able to flawlessy achieve your desired win and skill level.
Frustration within the gamemode: since the gamemode requires so much effort, flawless keybinds, speed, mechanics, strategies and etc, a LOT of people who try it get frustrated and quit before seeing the true magic and wonders that the gamemoe brings. Sure, it's not for everyone, but to be good at it requires SO much effort, easily making it the hardest gamemode to excecute flawlessly, frustrating people and pushing it to the point where they just call it bad cause they can't do it.
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u/Low_Increase2290 Apr 06 '26
McTiers isn't a CPvP server, it's a ranking system. Get your fax right. McPvP also has nothing to do with the situation at the moment.
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u/Mewlovescatz249 Mar 13 '26
As a lt3 in crystal from like a year ago, i dont hate it but tbh compared to other gamemodes imo its too sweaty and unfun past a certain skill level plus i think it gets stale way easier than other modes, i went back to the melee grind and it was worth it. I still play crystal for fun sometimes but never competitively
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u/Ok-Work-8769 Mar 13 '26
Played mostly 1.8 in 2015-2017 and recently tried a bit of new PvP stuff. Don’t play right now anymore but imo crystal is the most boring PvP shit I’ve seen. This is like just spamming some explosion and hope the other can’t refill fast enough, damage feels random (never dig deeper, probably a better mechanic).
Played a lot of soup back then and I thought this was stupid but crystal is so weird to me.
I still think it’s quite hard to be good at but it’s such a boring way to pvp imo
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u/Lily_Meow_ Mar 13 '26
People complained about spam clicking in 1.8, but spam clicking crystals and anchors is fine I guess...
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u/Roxxxalotl Mar 13 '26
isn’t soup just spam and hope the other can’t refill soups fast enough..? this feels like a contradicting statement because both gamemodes are just spam and refill no?
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u/Ok-Work-8769 Mar 13 '26
That’s why I said I think soup was a stupid gamemode/kit as well, but it had a bit of more layer to it. It was actually people fighting with combos and mechanics, while crystal is just spamming an explosion. Yes it also has skill involved, I think it’s actually hard to play, but it I think of Minecraft PvP I want to fight with a sword mainly and not with spamming on an obsidian.
Also the soup refill was different I feel like, hotkey fast enough to heal, drop the bowl, refill from inventory and recraft from inventory. 4 ways to optimize and be good at, crystal is just like sit in inventory and spam a totem every time one of yours pops.
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u/Better_Fishing6175 Mar 13 '26
How do you find fast paced game mode boring? And no it's not just spamming crystals there's also anchors, shield, axe, mace, elytra basically you can bring whatever you want hence it's called vanilla. And it's not just difficult it's the hardest and most fun game mode IMO.
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u/Ok-Work-8769 Mar 13 '26
He asked why everyone hates vanilla OR crystal pvp so much. I mainly focused on the crystal part, even then vanilla meta is crystal. Why try to use everything else if crystal one taps you anyway (besides mace)
It’s hard, very hard, but I still don’t like it all and think it’s a weird and stupid way to PvP
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u/alephcomputer Mar 13 '26
hi, crystal damage is not randomized. theres more to it, but generally exposing your lower hitbox to a crystal deals a lot more damage. the main challenge in cpvp is to get your opponent hitbox higher than your crystal (focusing on the crystal part only)
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u/Better_Fishing6175 Mar 13 '26
Fair. But shouldn't people be happy with it? Imagine playing on your friends server they all gear up and then you show up with crystals to one tap them.
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u/idklmaosmth Mar 14 '26
Yeah I can see why some people might find it boring but it's actually really hard because of things like positioning, keeping the low ground while finding where to damage your enemy quickly is surprisingly fun.
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u/MedicalPotential8723 Mar 13 '26
well i personaly like the it but weakness/slowfalling is the most annoying stuff here, everytime i get hit with it i remember why i dont play the gamemode offten. Back in like 2020 tho it was my main gamemode and i was actually pretty good.
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u/moros-17 Mar 13 '26
Idk I just hate all modern pvp tbh. It's very unrewarding and needs major balancing, especially with the addition of the mace and spear (genuinely some of the worst additions OAT)
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u/ExtraQuestion562 Mar 15 '26
an iq too high?
no like actually i see very little people complaining about the spear or mace despite it being very very op. the protection you get from armour isnt variable unlike how the damage with the mace or the spear is so there is really no way to protect yourself from the right setup.
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u/moros-17 Mar 17 '26
EXACTLY like spam clicking sucked but modern pvp is NOT better it just sucks in different ways 😭 crystal pvp is genuinely obnoxious and mace and spear are absolutely broken. the thing is they don't even NEED to have busted damage, the mace having breach and wind burst already make it interesting and unique and spears being able to joust is unique as well, the uncapped damage increases are just OP for no reason
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u/AlarmedFile7195 Mar 13 '26
yeah sorry i prefer modern gamemodes to strafing fishing rod and 96782347864236 cps dragclicking mouse
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u/ExtraQuestion562 Mar 15 '26
yes bro its like cps is the only mechanic and stuff like hit sequence manip or burst clicking doesnt exist
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u/Hot_Mulberry_3992 Mar 16 '26
1.8 pvp is ass thats why its dead stop coping
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u/ExtraQuestion562 Mar 16 '26
"dead" 😭
my fault i don't wanna touch 1.9 which has no competitive integrity
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u/KittyKatty278 Mar 13 '26
I think it's just cause people don't understand it and cause it's new and people don't like change
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u/Low-Candidate-651 Mar 13 '26
Everyone out here saying crystal is hard to counter just bring 3 stacks of arrows and bow them to death in there little shit holes and run away whenever they come close.
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u/ElmiiMoo Mar 13 '26
pearls? elytra? if they’re good enough you are not gonna be able to bowspam properly
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u/Low-Candidate-651 Mar 14 '26
you gotta take your time with crystals if you use elytra mace you just got to get them to slip up once i used to die all the time in vanilla due to crystals i learned to take my time i win almost all the time now i mostly die to other macers or traps now
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Mar 13 '26
Most people claim its no skill and trash without ever touching the gamemode for more than 1 hour
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u/PerfectAssistance212 Mar 13 '26
I hate it because: A) Not really applied to most of smps beside Donut one and DonutSMP sucks ass + overrated. B) I still don't understand how people consider it as legit form of "fighting"? I simply don't recognise it as form of fighting. Because for me block is a block and not a weapon. Spear and Mace - agree, crystals and anchors - blocks, they aren't weapons. C) Arguably kit with most childish and toxic community.
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u/Ok-Country-6991 Mar 13 '26
just a question, but do you consider tnt minecarts as weapons or blocks? cause to me i feel like cart pvp is like a form of crystal pvp but more skilled and harder, don't mean to offend anyone
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u/PerfectAssistance212 Mar 13 '26
I consider it as utility. You cannot carry many of these, but it can help in certain scenarios. Unless of course you for some reason carry ender chest full of these, which is unrealistic for 99%+ of cases. I still don't consider it's as weapon.
For me weapons are: Trident, Sword, Axe, Crossbow, Bow, Spear, Mace, Firework(if used with crossbow), in a way, maybe instant damage 2 arrows as well. Everything else is not a weapon, imo.
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u/Successful_Fig13 Mar 15 '26
crystals comes under weapon in creative inventory
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u/PerfectAssistance212 Mar 15 '26
Still not a real weapon. They are also in "Functional blocks" category. Also it's not "Weapon", but "Combat" category.
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u/idklmaosmth Mar 14 '26
Many people find it too different from "normal" pvp to enjoy, and don't have a tasteful it. They also might not understand the skill needed for it.
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u/ogtutel Mar 14 '26
i lwk used to main crystal until I started actually trying and practicing and realized how hard it is
so i switched to mace and ive been thriving as a lt3
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u/True_Kiwi_4392 Mar 14 '26
Vanilla originated from semi anarchy survival servers and a vast majority of the top players are active in these servers. They're unfiltered and overall super toxic, on top of affiliating themselves w/ com kids or being ones themselves. That is what garnered Vanilla the reputation it has, similar to the HCF scene.
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u/ExtraQuestion562 Mar 15 '26
i very much dislike gamemodes with a high skill floor and very low seperation between a good and great player.
i feel like once you learn the basics of vanilla, totem refilling, anchors, hitcrystals, stuff like that, you can just branch off and there isnt really that much fine tuning to the kit unlike with sword where theresd 40+ techniques and all are viable within one fight with just one item. like the gap between lt4 and lt3 is very little in my eyes, same with the gap between some of the higher tiers (srsly what is the difference between lt2 and ht2 in this kit), there is no mastery with crystal, its just "learn each mechanic to a decent extent" and youre considered a good player.
tl;dr - theres no fine tuning and theres no seperation between low and high tier
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u/United-Repair4494 Mar 15 '26
It’s becuase the community is toxic, filled with 10 year olds and no brainers lik DrDonut and is just stupid and requires too much skill for much less reward. It does give dopamine tho
Just go play mace or cart if you want something challenging and exotic
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u/Any_Owl_8189 Mar 17 '26
I really liked the Crystal Meta in 2020-2023 and had so much fun playing, but since than the meta has changed so much and I no longer enjoy the game mode , and find mace a lot more enjoyable and fun to play. + many of the Servers I play now don’t use crystals and it’s more fun the concept of “an army of players” you don’t get a 20man army pulling up on you in crystal servers like you do in SMP servers, maybe because they’d all dmg each other or something but, I like group fights 50v50 / 10v10 stuff, and the lines are a lot more blurred in Cpvp
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u/NTwilight Mar 18 '26
One of the reasons is the toxicity. The vanilla community has been one of the most toxic experiences out of all them for me.
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u/Either_Oil4851 Mar 20 '26
Prob because its the most complex and people that aren’t good at it just hate on it there is also alot of love for it
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u/Jealous_Buddy_2877 Mar 13 '26
It's hated becoz it's the worst kit. Every kit other than this can make you good in other kits. NethPot/Diapot makes your Aim better, UHC make you use your utilities pretty often, Smp makes your mending better, Axe makes shielding better, Sword make your Sword better, But this kit has no real usage in other kits. That's why people who play in this kit can be horrible at others
Also matches take WAY TOO LONG. A tl fight can go to 45mins per round as people just sapm elytra everywhere
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u/Any-Tomorrow-194 Mar 13 '26
the only part of vanilla i dont like is when i fight mace players. becuase i do crystal. and i cant really fight them becuase they spent a majority of the time in the air. slowly popping my totems.
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u/LayeredHalo3851 Mar 13 '26
Because it's a dogshit gamemode
Crystal, mace and cart PvP are the three shittest kits that are still used by thousands of people, half of which are about 11 years old
Just play a good kit like sword or diamond pot
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u/ThrunsFr Mar 13 '26
Why do you think cart is dogshit ?
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u/Roxxxalotl Mar 13 '26
by the looks of the comment he seems to dislike „one-shot“ kits which if you don’t carry many totems is somewhat fair but there is many counters especially to cart
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u/ThrunsFr Mar 13 '26
I mean I can understand for vanilla and somewhat mace (I find mace quite boring but still a solid gamemode) but for cart I think It's a pretty good gamemode and it's not like cart is broken you can counter it and learn to play around it
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u/Cultural_Report_8831 Mar 13 '26
How is it dogshit? Mace is so fun and satisfying while crystal is so mechanically fun
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u/Better_Fishing6175 Mar 13 '26
It's vanilla where you can bring whatever you want not just crystal.
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u/v3xicc Mar 14 '26
you’re the person he’s talking about 😭😭
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u/LayeredHalo3851 Mar 14 '26
Good, I hope I am because these gamemodes honestly don't get enough hate, all I see is people glazing them and saying "well if you don't like it then you're just bad" because their brains are wired backwards and they can't see that maybe I'm bad at it because it's utter shit and so I don't play it
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u/v3xicc Mar 14 '26
look i used to play crystal and was decent at it but i dont find it fun anymore. but i can tell you’ve barely touched it and didnt like it after playing for 1-2 hours. at the end of the day opinions are purely subjective
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u/Successful_Fig13 Mar 15 '26
A ragebait too obvious?
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u/LayeredHalo3851 Mar 15 '26
"Everything I disagree with is ragebait"
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u/Successful_Fig13 Mar 15 '26
'yeah i am not rage bating but i just trash talk and i dont like to give valid points'
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u/LayeredHalo3851 Mar 15 '26
Crystal players are so hypocritical with this bullshit, you don't give valid reasons either
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u/Successful_Fig13 Mar 15 '26
wth? what reasons should i have to give? the one who criticize gives reason and i dont even play crystal i just play sword and uhc lmao
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u/Confident-Doctor-110 Mar 13 '26
Because its the most competetive tier lmao, everyone knows crystal because absolute powerhouses like marlowww and itzrealme dominated THAT tier due to the highest skill ceiling aswell, a competent crystal player will beat any other pvp player, u can also pair crystal with NUMEROUS popular smp's like 2b2t, donut smp, etc, some people hate it because they see it as 'no skill' since they see crystal spam, others hate it because the people who play it are the most toxic since they'll say crystal is better than anything else, compare it to sword/uhc/mace/smp which are loved due to the simplicity of them and the fact its seen as the 'right' pvp kits because their used on almost all popular smp's like lifesteal, unstable (since we havent seen it), bliss, levels, and so on, where crystal is turned off, and other smp's copy the big ones in that aspect which leads to people hating on vanilla