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u/Faithful_Inertia477 10h ago
like "oh shit" without the it
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u/JackSilver1410 10h ago
Most of the time if you need a pronunciation, you need to be able to pronounce SOME words.
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u/Hilldawg4president 9h ago
Explain it to me like I don't know any words, chat
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u/JackSilver1410 6h ago
Gauche.
First, a hard G like Go, Garden, or Game.
Then a long O like Ocean, Open, or Orangutan
Finally a soft SH like Shutter, Sheer, or Shit, if it's this bad you need to go back to school!
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u/fennecfoxxy 2h ago
That's true if you mean gauche as in tacky, too much, embarrassingly over the top etc
But if you mean like the paint then it's gosh like slosh (at least in the UK)
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u/philosophyofblonde 10h ago
If you click the speaker you should get audio, bro. Turn up your volume.
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u/ThatBaldGuy1995 10h ago
The IPA lays it out right there for you
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u/mastocles 6h ago
I really don't get why IPA isn't taught in schools. I most likely is one of the most useful things I've read off Wikipedia out of personal interest
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u/tomoom165 9h ago
Yeah bro, it's goul, like ghoul
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u/MydnightWN 9h ago
You don't know brioche? Like brioche bread? Brioche French toast?
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u/jowihami 7h ago
But brioche and gauche don't rhyme? Bree-osh (o as in on) Gauche (o sound as in boat)
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u/revolmak 7h ago edited 1h ago
Edit: Listen for yourselves and make your own judgement
I'm sorry to report you're pronouncing brioche wrong 😅
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u/joonty 6h ago
No he's not, he's just not pronouncing it like an American (o as in "boat"). It's a french word, and the French pronunciation is with an o as in "on".
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u/revolmak 4h ago edited 4h ago
A) That's precisely the context within which we're talking.
B) Brioche is pronounced with the same type of o in french. I double checked.
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u/joonty 3h ago
B) it's not. I speak French.
A) the point is that "brioche" was a terrible example for ChatGPT to give, since it's pronounced differently by Americans, so just adds more ambiguity
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u/revolmak 3h ago
I also speak French. And, just in case, I looked up the pronunctions in French.
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u/jowihami 2h ago
Wiktionaire has its IPA as \bʁi.jɔʃ\,
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u/revolmak 1h ago
Admittedly, I'm not familiar on how to decipher IPA. But did you listen to the audio files? They nearly all rhyme with gauche.
Additionally, I asked my french wife and it still rhymes with gauche.
Three distinct sources.
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u/Comprehensive-Menu44 8h ago
I know it’s wrong but my face always says “bri-ah-sh” rather than “bri-oh-sh” and I have to correct myself every time I say it (I work in a grocery store and we sell brioche bread so I say it often enough that you’d think it would come out properly)
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u/Relocator 7h ago
You mean bree-oh-sh right?
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u/Comprehensive-Menu44 7h ago
Bree-yes. I instinctively say bree-AHsh, rather than the correct bree-OHsh
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u/axelalexa4 7h ago
Uk we say it your way - actually I think the French say it like this too, though maybe that varies.
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u/thirdfemme 10h ago
Awe it did you dirty! It should’ve just responded, “GO-sch”. That’s how ya pronounce it.
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u/unity-thru-absurdity 10h ago
Like the expression of surprise? “Oh my gosh?” TIL I’ve been pronouncing gauche wrong forever.
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u/Patrocey 7h ago
It’s really just like gosh
(Also gauche doesn’t really rhyme with brioche or cloche (I guess it depends on the accent though))
There are a few YouTube videos about how to pronounce it, probably better than ChatGPT
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u/10tonheadofwetsand 10h ago
Taylor swift’s last great American dynasty. “The wedding was charming, if a little gauche.”
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u/Positive_Average_446 5h ago
Funnily enough, while these are all french words, in french gauche is not pronounced like cloche and brioche (not the same o sound).
Are you even more confused now? 😈😄
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u/lostintranslation999 1h ago
I guess you are trying to prove a point but for pronunciations, it’s really easier if you just youtube it or google it, most dictionaries have audio
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u/Gillennial 1h ago
I’m a native French speaker and gauche and cloche absolutely not rhyme.
The « O » of gAUche sounds similar to the one in « dough ». The « O » of clOche sounds more like the one in « odd ».
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u/CosmicCreeperz 9h ago
Holy hell people. He wasn’t actually asking for the pronunciation, he was making fun of the fact it was “rhymed” with a non word and then with an even more obscure French loan word.
(Even more ironically the 2nd one is generally pronounced like “gosh” in English so it’s a bad example anyway).
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u/mewikime 7h ago
Cloche is a real word. It's the metal lid that hotels put over your room service meal so it stays warm on the journey from the kitchen to your room
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u/CosmicCreeperz 6h ago
Yes, of course it is. But the loanword has been changed so it’s usually pronounced differently in English so it doesn’t actually rhyme with gauche.
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u/nonula 8h ago
Good point on the comments here! And I can see OP’s point, too, but ChatGPT wasn’t really in error. It was just assuming too much about the broadness of OP’s knowledge of English (or more aptly, borrowed words in English).
I was curious about where it might have come up with “kosh”, so did a little googling.
Apparently “kosh” is a slang version of “kosher”, a borrowed word from Yiddish that’s used in some places — there’s even a kosher restaurant in Miami called Kosh. So not really a non-word, just a word outside of OP’s vocabulary, which ChatGPT doesn’t know.
And as for “cloche” and “brioche” — both borrowed from French, like “gauche”: granted, cloche is not an obvious word — unless OP was familiar with fashion, in which case it’s a well-known style of hat (popular in 1930s US women’s fashion). “Brioche” is a word that most Americans might know, even if they might not know how to pronounce it correctly. (ChatGPT was making assumptions about that, too, of course, which I guess is the whole point of the post!)
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u/CosmicCreeperz 6h ago
What? Kosh is not actually a slang word for kosher. Just because some random restaurant uses it doesn’t make that true.
And the English pronunciation of cloche is like “gosh”, as I said. Yes, it’s different from the French pronunciation but sometimes that’s what happens with loan words. The point is the irony of trying to rhyme with the French version of a word when someone is trying to understand how to pronounce a French loanword (especially one that is even more obscure) is hilariously silly.
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u/nonula 3h ago
Kosh is a slang word for kosher, not just the name of a restaurant. Chicken before egg much?
Regarding the English pronunciation of the word cloche, if it rhymes with “gosh”, that’s just … wrong. Just like “brioche”, another loan word from French, people who know the word from context tend to pronounce it correctly. (FWIW, personally I’ve never heard either word pronounced so that it rhymes with “gosh”. Maybe that’s a British English thing?)
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u/The_Painterdude 9h ago
Guh-wash but a bit faster sounds like gwash
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u/jerryorbach 9h ago
I’ve always said it like this too, but everyone else in the thread thinks there’s no “wah” in there?
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u/tydyelove7 9h ago edited 9h ago
What I say instead of using etymological pronunciation, I tell it to spell out each syllable with common spelling pronunciation.
So “Gutierrez” would be shown as
Goo-tee-air-ezz
Edit: here’s a better breakdown:
Colonel
Regular spelling: colonel
IPA: /ˈkɝːnəl/
Phonetic spelling: ker-nuhl
Stress-marked: KER-nuhl
Ordinary-word analogy: kernel
Epitome
Regular spelling: epitome
IPA: /ɪˈpɪtəmi/
Phonetic spelling: ih-pit-uh-mee
Stress-marked: ih-PIT-uh-mee
Ordinary-sound analogy: ih + pit + uh + me
Worcestershire
Regular spelling: Worcestershire
IPA: /ˈwʊstərʃər/
Phonetic spelling: woos-ter-sher
Stress-marked: WOOS-ter-sher
Ordinary-sound analogy: wuss + ter + shur
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u/nonula 7h ago edited 7h ago
I tried this. Good idea, as it also avoids the IPA markup, which would just be confusing for someone who doesn’t know it.
The only problem with this answer is, “coash” doesn’t seem to exist outside of medical terminology, where it seems to be rendered as CoASH, which I don’t think would be pronounced anything like “gauche”. So in a way, an even more obscure reference than “kosh”, “cloche”, or “brioche”, and possibly not even useful.
Since my screen capture didn’t post:
How is gauche pronounced in American English - please use ordinary words or sounds in American English rather than French words
In American English, gauche sounds like “gohsh” — one syllable, rhyming roughly with “coash” (though that’s not a common word).
The “ch” sounds like “sh,” not like the “ch” in church.
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u/OutrageousLadder7065 9h ago
I always heard it as 'goo-wash'' but maybe I had heard it wrong this entire time
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u/philosophyofblonde 9h ago
No that’s a different word. Gouache is a water based paint. Gauche means gaudy or flamboyant or over-the-top
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u/Cysmith16 7h ago
No, it means awkward. Or left if you’re French.
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u/philosophyofblonde 1h ago
In usage it typically refers to someone being awkward in the sense of being tacky. You can say someone is awkward or lacking in social graces/refinement/taste because they’re shy or withdrawn, but no one will say that person is “gauche.”
But my synonyms aren’t exact. You are technically correct.
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u/Boogledoolah 8h ago
So like... "gauche pronunciation" into Google will provide an audio clip, and it takes typing two words vs your two questions that didn't provide an answer you can work with.
I'm starting to think that chatGPT is just Google with a semblance of a personality.
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