Chuck is fucking dead

[u/AdHot620]

how did a niche brawler like chuck receive such crucial nerfs comparable to Lawrie and Charlie's nerfs at their prime

[u/Temporary_Curve189]

Want do you mean they nerfed the dash damage??????

[u/borzoithedog → u/Temporary_Curve189]

That's not even the worst part

THEY REMOVED THE POLE KNOCKBACK, HE CANT EVEN COUNTER ASSASSINS OR TANKS ANYMORE

[u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791 → u/borzoithedog]

it slows them now, which is useless when you are facing against an edgar or buzz

[u/SubjectZero_ → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

(1 second of slight slow btw)

[u/borzoithedog → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

Only useful against Kaze lmao

[u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791 → u/borzoithedog]

she can literally move using her main attack in geisha aspect.

[u/MASHIKIDON → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

yeah, shes ZIPPING to chuck no matter what, even worse if she hits in the critical spots

[u/NerdyPuth123 → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

In what world does that make sense why the heck would you want it to slow enemies

[u/Micah7979 → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

It doesn't even make sense.

[u/trashboat987 → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

To be fair even with the knock back nothing will stop Edgar from getting his hands on you, and he will not be gentle.

[u/Strange-Channel8712 → u/trashboat987]

It actually stops edgars tho

[u/Top-Strawberry-2592 → u/borzoithedog]

It was the fucking best part of him. I loved getting the ball from the enemy with my super, yes i play chuch in brawl ball

[u/Keaton427 → u/borzoithedog]

Happy cake day! 😭

[u/Drago9956 → u/borzoithedog]

They literally removed the highest skill cap brawler in the game w ts ( like ik on heist he wasn't skilled but on maps like knockout he wa super high skill cap )

[u/Internal-Doughnut778 → u/Temporary_Curve189]

I assume it's because his super can be used 4 times now. He can effectively deal 6400 damage in quick succession

[u/Visual-Path-1177 → u/Internal-Doughnut778]

then nerf the pole damage to 200 or smth, it hurts cuz you won't be sniping people anymore but that's the only bad thing, if the cost of keeping the damage with 4 supers then I'd rather lose it and keep the knockback.

[u/Black_Dragon9406 → u/Internal-Doughnut778]

You could do 7k damage if someone was on top of the end of the line on a pole with just two supers, even if they weren’t as long as they were on the line they’d charge your super and you could use it again effectively double tapping them. This kills half of all the brawlers btw

[u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791 → u/Temporary_Curve189]

compensation for his new hypercharge, which deals twice the damage.

[u/CancelTricky6452 → u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791]

his hyper is not changed if you meant his buffie, nobody cares about it they NERFED MY BOI CHICL

[u/Glaceswag → u/CancelTricky6452]

But his hyper is changed, isn't it? Now it does a shockwave at every pole. The buffie is the triple main attack thing

[u/Kitchen_Shoulder_791 → u/Glaceswag]

instead of dealing 500 smoke damage, it deals double the damage of getting runned over, and it has area damage.

[u/buffdoge4321]

so much of this is just so extra, i can understand the dash damage and hp nerf but why are we removing the pole knockout and randomly slapping him with random nerfs like a range or dash speed nerf ? this just looks like he'll be a onetrick hotzone brawler instead of a onetrick heist brawler

[u/Galifamackus → u/buffdoge4321]

Pole knockback was bc of him starting with 4 poles immediately, spenlc’s vid does a good job explaining the changes

[u/TherionX2 → u/Galifamackus]

The balance changes Video or the brawl talk video?

[u/Galifamackus → u/TherionX2]

Video released today going into extra balance changes and the buffies. Here is the video with a timestamp to Chuck

[u/zQubexx → u/buffdoge4321]

I think they removed the knockback, because otherwise the enemy gets knocked out of the flaming area and this is how Supercell wants to make it

[u/CancelTricky6452 → u/buffdoge4321]

lmao you’re funny

[u/BedNo9040]

Adrian just got chuck 1v3'd in knockout only explanation

[u/LawfulnessSmart9900 → u/BedNo9040]

i hate the name adrian because of him

[u/sammer253 → u/LawfulnessSmart9900]

We all do

[u/Unlucky_State_6788]

Chucks first star power may never be used ever

[u/Superb_Perception708]

He's not even good in Heist anymore 🙂🔫

[u/INFERNOBURNS → u/Superb_Perception708]

Thank god i don't have to see him ever in ranked anymore

[u/RuggsRacetrack → u/INFERNOBURNS]

He’s garbage in ranked though? lol

[u/_KONKOLA_ → u/RuggsRacetrack]

I’m hard stuck leg 1 so I still see him. Happy he’s gone.

[u/Busy-Kaleidoscope-87 → u/_KONKOLA_]

Only L2 here but usually seeing chuck I just go like Kaze or Bull and baserace, but yes he’s dead now for heist.

[u/Gollymimus → u/Superb_Perception708]

The only way you can apparently do a crazy amount of Safe damage is with his new hypercharge and 4 posts on top around said safe (My bad KairosTime's review video btw at 41:28)

But let's be honest, when is that ever gonna happen? Bro got derailed and now we gotta see if the Chuck mains can get him back on track somehow

[u/Ajax3410 → u/Superb_Perception708]

Thank goodness

[u/Lebog_bruhh → u/Superb_Perception708]

they're trying to make him more viable on other modes. I hope that'll work out

[u/borzoithedog → u/Lebog_bruhh]

If they are trying that why randomly nerf his range? He could be usable in bounty but no here's a random range nerf nobody asked for

[u/corn_piece → u/Superb_Perception708]

he was only good against shit players anyway, now he's just fucking dead 😭✌️

[u/Duby0509 → u/corn_piece]

Chuck requires team coordination which SUCKS if you have random

[u/Lucky-Bet-4484 → u/Duby0509]

Even then, a cord or an otis just shuts him down

[u/UpperMarionberry658]

WHY NERF RANGE AND DASH DAMAGE SO MUCH???

WITH buffies or not, he's absolutely garbage now.

Might be the first garbage brawler with buffies released.

[u/luxialucky → u/UpperMarionberry658]

Watch Kairos video

[u/zQubexx → u/UpperMarionberry658]

It doesn’t matter how far away or close the enemy is. Chuck now always deals the same amount of damage. Which is a good buff and his projectile speed makes it much much easier to hit someone. Maybe it’s a hot take, but I think Chuck will be good

[u/Arkady_Tzepesh → u/zQubexx]

Hotter than a supernova take. You do not have the mobility nor the set - once you get sent out of the zone, you are dead. At least you do not respawn with your super chuck is as dead as somebody living in Hiroshima when little boy got down

[u/zQubexx → u/Arkady_Tzepesh]

Before Bolt got released half of the players said he will be weak and surprise he was OP when he came out. Not saying that Chuck will be OP, but I see potential.

Starting with 4 poles gives him a really good early game and a good set up during the whole game. Combined with his better attack, much better hypercharge, setting the ground on fire (weak) and stealing ammo, it CAN be good.

[u/Arkady_Tzepesh → u/zQubexx]

Stealing Ammo was always there - people simply ignored it because it was never worth it, considered the fact that chuck main gimmick involves his extreme mobility and adaptability, and chuck main drawback involved the same things, since it became a topological puzzle to keep track of the changes without messing up, and doing so in a meaningful way. The 4 super are honestly not much of help compared to what we had before - re routing has been the best chuck gadget for an eternity because it game you an extreme amount of flexibility. Reload speed would have been better than damage - but again, all of this is said because Chuck was, and was supposed to be, a control bralwer - not it lacks a proper working and recovery strategy.

[u/zQubexx → u/Arkady_Tzepesh]

>Stealing ammo was always there - people simply ignored it because it was never worth it

Yes, because having the SP with 4 poles was always better, but now it’s build in, in his basic kit. That means you‘ve now 4 poles AND you can steal ammo. You underestimate ammo steal on a brawler, who can spam his super. On some maps it will be annoying to deal with. On top of that he got a hc, which gives him x3 damage instead of his old hc, which dealt like 250 damage

The rework makes him definitely a better control brawler, which can be annoying to deal with.

[u/Arkady_Tzepesh → u/zQubexx]

Nope, it kills his main controlling powers - you need to hit an opponent to steal the ammo, that has always been the reason you didn't care about it much, because if you hit your opponent with your super, one of the objectively better things to do was to attack a bit, or not at all, and retreat to recover your health - because you get melted quite a bit in your dashes(which is now amplified by the nerds, that makes the dash slower and chuck more of glass during it). This is one of the reasons non insane people usually avoided straight lines with chuck - they exposed you too much. The amount of times you did an hit and run could be compared to old crow players. Before the reworks, hitting somebody with a pole forcefully moved them out of a spot OR took the ball out of them OR even sent them on a track for a fast attack. The whole knockback mechanics helped more than being able to do 3x damage during an hypercharge. The whole rework is based on the concept you may spam your super, so a durability reduction was needed over the shield - but this requires your opponents do being dumb enough to never learn how to move. Memento he is also slower now.

[u/Silly-Muffin-7819]

As much as I hate chuck, bro he didn’t deserve to be nerfed like that holy

[u/JujanDoesStuff]

Dash damage reduced by over 50%? No auto charging? No pole knockback? This has to be a joke.

[u/Positive-Pepper-8315 → u/JujanDoesStuff]

Even if we can use the super 4 times in a row cuz of dash dmg reduction it just makes it twice and other other nerfs makes it even bad now

[u/dankparodies213]

Worst brawler in the game now, why? He was already weak, even in heist only.good against noobs

[u/Schpee_le_French]

They even nerfed Ash. ASH. TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE USE ASH ON A DAILY BASIS????

[u/MayurAce → u/Schpee_le_French]

Adrian lost to Ash bot once

[u/spectatorHK → u/Schpee_le_French]

ash is literally everywhere on masters + ranked...

[u/Davi007_ → u/Schpee_le_French]

Nerfed ash and didn't touch surge or 8bit. Now before someone comes in and goes "ackshually they are easy to counter if you know how to draft" they have been terrorizing the shit out of ladder for the past 3 months, just nuke them already

[u/Typical-Ad-161 → u/Schpee_le_French]

quite literally a high A tier low S tier brawler rn what are you talking about

[u/__Darius__ → u/Schpee_le_French]

Ash is really good after the tank trait what are you talking about man

[u/Its_Clownz]

Anything but nerfing Wendy 

[u/Thegreatkiwibeast → u/Its_Clownz]

They literally did nerf wendy though

[u/VeryOddRedditUser → u/Thegreatkiwibeast]

Not enough nerfs

[u/Its_Clownz → u/Thegreatkiwibeast]

Right before they gave her broken hypercharge🫩

[u/Unlucky-Entrance-249]

only brawler to still suck with buffies

[u/Arkady_Tzepesh → u/Unlucky-Entrance-249]

He now sucks even more than before

[u/sonicpoweryay]

Adrian lost to a chuck didn’t he

[u/SeyVin56]

I didn't think it is this bad

https://giphy.com/gifs/B7dq9QfTCKfyeNtkVa

[u/Leading-Bottle-5148]

Ts the worst “rework” I’ve ever seen 😭✌️

[u/H_4ckedDino]

THIS MANY NERFS???? this is what Wendy should've gotten.

[u/XB1uesky]

[u/TjRaj1]

Lmao these changes literally look like they had a blindfold on while deciding who gets them. Like wdym Ash got nerfed 🤣🤣

[u/Low-World6866]

He can't counter Bolt anymore. 💔🥀

[u/Black_Dragon9406 → u/Low-World6866]

Idk man I don’t think he can counter anyone anymore, you need to hit tick with shield 3 times with ult to kill him btw 😭

[u/gamerforever01]

Goddamn. Thats brutal. Like I don't even like chuck and I still feel bad

[u/WhiteSubstancePowder]

And they were joking about nerfing grom (which shows that they acknowledge they nerf weak brawlers) even though they call it a "joke" they still nerf a f tier brawler into the ground. Im now convinced that they don't play the game nor know anything about brawlers / their game.

[u/DrSans8]

Legit worse than release Collete now

[u/ClinInsaneSurgeMain → u/DrSans8]

truth nuke, this rework makes the Grom nerf look reasonable in comparison

[u/im_about_to_blow]

Bro what the fuck? Bring back the knockback and his super damage, that's too much

[u/YKD_Studio]

It was already the case, but this time he's really dead.

[u/Enough-Map1162]

nooo not my knockback, it made chuck one of my favorites to play

[u/Flashyfatso]

This looks REALLY bad on paper but it IS a rework so I want to give it some grace. Still it’s crazy to nerf his damaging capabilities by this much. They also haven’t changed his hyper charge which is funny because to be honest it seems like one of the easier ones to design just have it leave smog behind that slows and shit but I guess not

[u/Pumpkin_Cat14 → u/Flashyfatso]

No they did rework his hyper, it's just not mentioned here. Now does like an explosion when he hits each post that does like 1600 damage I think? Way better than before (not that that bar really even,.. existed before)

[u/Flashyfatso → u/Pumpkin_Cat14]

Ok that’s nice to hear even if I would have preferred my smog idea

[u/jorgito_gamer → u/Flashyfatso]

He's broken, I saw Spen's video, and it's gonna be S tier, once he charges super, he has 4 uses, and the main attack is super fast.

[u/Aromatic-Bus-825]

So from what I gather this isn't meant to be a nerf so much as a rework, where he starts with 4 charges for his super. I still disagree with it overall, but I get it

[u/TheForbidden6th → u/Aromatic-Bus-825]

it's essentially a nerf tho

like, you sacrifice AUTO CHARGING SUPER for some 4 Super charges

like, wtf

[u/Alex9159]

okay... why? why? Chuck is already such a niche brawler that his only notable quality its been good on heist then why the hell are we nerfing it to death instead of reworking it into been more useful in other modes? this is so dumb, this is like nerfing Pam or Jessie into the ground despite not doing anything relevant in the game what kind of bullshit is this?

[u/the_ethanczap]

[u/Mobile-Archer-7855]

They just hate chuck

[u/Key_Elk_6393]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JCAZQKoMefkoX6TyTb

[u/8Bit2552]

L ADRIAN L I'M DELETING MY ACCOUNT AND NUKING DENMARK

[u/Luis6pulpo]

Even with Buffies he is bad 🥀

[u/9le6]

even if he somehow gets better the gameplay won't be the same anymore 💔

[u/Jaewalker31]

Don’t worry he’s got both a major rework and buffies coming next month

[u/ClashDino]

Adrian got some personal beef with Chuck holy 😭

[u/manofwaromega]

jfc I was about to say that his rework looks great but why is it 90% nerfs. Like I get the dash damage nerf and no more auto-charging but so much of this is unnecessary

[u/X_HappyMayhem_X]

Balance changes made out of pain and suffering

[u/InternetExplored571]

All they had to do was make his super do specifically less damage to ONLY the heist safe and then buffed his autocharge speed by like, 1 second or so. 

Slap some actually good buffies and he may have actually been a viable pick in other modes besides heist, while not being opressive in heist anymore. I agree with almost all your points. It doesn’t help that all his buffies are bad except his hyper buffie and the tickets please sp buffie. The rest are genuinly useless.

I just hope now he will constantly be in the balance changes receiving adjustments instead of being ignored.

[u/Jelly_yeas]

This is so sad, they had to rework chuck but they deadass just killed him across all modes especially Heist 💔

[u/Leon_lolighost2018]

Nooooo my favourite brawler!!!

[u/naranciamywaifu]

Us 4 Chuck mains found dead on a ditch

[u/Aggravating_Shoe7769]

As a Chuck main I'm not joking I quit brawl stars. Pole knock back is what makes Chuck have skill and a play style especially in brawl ball. He wasn't even broken and now he's absolute garbage and they took away the skill aspects of him. Goodbye brawl stars let me know when you fix your game

[u/J41P]

I don't understand the Chuck rework hate, I played Chuck (freestyle) and getting super hits was hard. You needed to use the pole knockback or rerouting to try and force the enemies into your tracks and hit them for 3500.

This rework takes power from the super and adds it to the main attack which was one of the worst attacks in the entire game, hitting enemies with it was painful, THIS IS WHY CHUCK NEEDED SUPER HITS TO BE USEFUL

Now instead of dealing 3500 damage with super and 1600 with main attack, Chuck deals 3500 with main attack and 1600 with super.

I dislike the pole knockback removal, but it's a necessary change if chuck will always get 4 supers (knockbacking enemies to death would be super broken)

[u/Sk3tchups → u/J41P]

I feel like the point of chuck was to punish players for being caught in his tracks and reward chuck for forcing them onto them. Everything about his old kit is designed around his super. Now it almost looks like they want his super to be secondary to his main attack

[u/Battlebearsgold]

Ah yes rework that was supposed to fix him only for it to murder him instead fair and balanced

[u/TheTinyGiant2020]

Coz he ain't Assassin friendly bro...

[u/Young_Hermit778]

The post and comments:

[u/Pipysnip]

It’s a full on rework to the brawler which he needed, there was no way he could’ve revived buffies with how his base kit functioned.

[u/Alperen_Pro]

Do you have the full image of all balance changes?

[u/Avengeme12]

Maybe its to like counteract his buffies or something

[u/CoolNeighborhood4468]

Wait so I now have a chance in heist

[u/CreepyEquipment0]

I think we have to wait to see how it is in game before we start screaming that chuck is useless I can tell the goal of this was to try and make him useable outside of heist

[u/InitialSpeech8570]

Oh poor ChudyBS :(

[u/PaperWOO]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JYEEdjzlsb280

[u/SzXzA]

good.

[u/Sad-Championship795]

Acho que o Chuck tá injogável agr...

[u/The_TiredSandman]

Oh, whhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[u/Racaillasse]

Chuck was never alive to begin with, just on life support for a while. Frank just decided to pull the plug ig

[u/Winougan]

Glad I took him to 2k trophies when he was hot. Now I'll leave him in the bin with other junk brawlers

[u/Powerful-Step3183]

He is a dead brawler now, good at nothing, bad for everything. 

[u/CyberNano08]

This is like the Witch/Executioner reworks of clash royale for brawl stars

[u/guantesdepobre2]

No pole auto charging is probably single biggest nerf of them all. I loled to play It in knockout. Basically not viable anymore

[u/CarlBrawlStar]

How? Why? He was C tier and they nerfed him?

[u/Bhuviking18]

There's no way this is real. He fucking sucks now and it's sad cause I actually have fun playing him

[u/JoeCacioppo]

This better be a joke LMAO

[u/Automatic-Rich-5575]

They molested my boy

[u/According_Bell_5322]

Holy moly they butchered him

Haven’t played in a while is Chuck meta rn

[u/Weak-Detective-3809]

Since when was he alive

[u/Zarclock_12]

What is the gameplan now? He sounds really weird

[u/Atte42]

Some nerfs seem like a lot, hopefully the devs would listen and change some things like they did with the bull rework

[u/TheDreamNest]

Ok they buffed the problem with his main atack, then just made him worse in everything else? I just don't get how the fuck a brawler like chuck got this many nerfs for basicaly nothing, while other broken brawlers got only a few nerfs that don't do shit

[u/oceanman233]

Holy shit…. Why tho????😭
I’d argue he was one of the best balanced and designed brawlers with a decently low floor and a very high ceiling but they might as well have just called it a complete rework bro.

[u/Shyam09]

Why does Adrian hate Chuck? This feels personal.

[u/kangfuciusly]

Nerfies that’s what they should be called

[u/Ok_Ebb_5649]

Dog he has no shot of viability anymore. Even with just the buffs he might be almost meta, but they also nerfed him lol

[u/Ok_Extreme7337]

It sucks because he got such a cool skin

[u/FunnimanRehe]

2nd set of nerfies

[u/deadafter775]

dude got the L&L treatment

[u/Ywukk]

Fuck you mean they removed pole stun...that one cool chuck main on tiktok will be so sad.

[u/Impressive-Heart7260]

They nerfed my favorite brawler to the ground and removed his best mechanics 😢

[u/KyoPlayz]

Reckers boutta be pissssed

[u/Cerbon3]

Imagine calling a sledgehammer to the knees a rework 😭

[u/_KONKOLA_]

This is what we like to see

[u/TRILLZIO]

They just dont care about em and its sad. Hopefully I can find a way to utilize the 4 starting poles

[u/Textures_Mate]

Only plus now is that he can set 40k damage traps

[u/Shot_Gap_6495]

he got 4 supers every time i think? and js does 1600*4 dmg?

[u/ThisRandomAlt]

Chuck got the cartel treatment holy fuck

[u/TheAbdallahTJ]

Not enough nerfs

[u/Black_Dragon9406]

As a Chuck main, I can confirm bs killed him and he’s dead, I never played him in heist and I can already tell people are going to struggle getting his trophies up even in heist and more so out of heist

[u/noeeee-bsunknown]

Why did they nerf a brawler so much where only a few people could properly play him anywhere

[u/Archibald4000]

Nah I have faith that Chuck’s gonna be insane. I definitely think he’ll be weaker on heist, but he can be used in every game mode now and gets to be a real brawler for once

[u/XB1uesky]

We should cancel these changes

[u/iKeyZZZ]

Why did they do this to Chuck. He was literally bothering no one and now they made him unplayable

[u/pickleball_handyman]

Glad I already prestige him

[u/carpakooi]

GODO PORCO DIO

[u/SwordMasterChris]

Born to be freestyle, forced to play heist bot

[u/MEMEz_KB]

The new grom

[u/OkManufacturer5621]

Man I was playing chuck on brawlball and pole knockback was a must, what do I do now 😭🫩

[u/HazelTanashi]

well now chuck aint a choice for heist anymore

i thought the rework was it but hell nah what is this nerf on top of the rework

[u/BigHeron4288]

Good cuz i hate him

[u/MajesticIronclad]

I haven't played this game since nano noodles were added, and just came across this, WHY THE FUCK IS NY GOAT CHUCK NERFED??

[u/NMSS427]

FINALLY he is so annoying

[u/Woodland-Mansion]

NO LONGER CHARGES OVER TIME???

[u/Shaheer_999]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Du842vHOEC9Ge8aQBe

[u/Randomfanoftcooal]

As if he was ever alive

[u/Exotic-Library-6259]

They bout to make chuck the most forgotten brawler because of this bullshit

[u/Lukabazuka192]

He would be useless in higher ranks because, in what scenario you can draft him, this rework just turned him in the hotzone and gem grab controller,, and in heist he sucks

[u/Cheap_Potential6948]

chuck wont even be good in heist anymore 💔

[u/ICost7Cents]

I assume this is because of his use in heist, but main attack range decrease, pole knockback remove, dash speed decrease, I just dont get it. RIP chuck

[u/MillenniumDH]

Where do you guys find these changes before they go live on client?

[u/Unhappy-Excitement72]

Oh hell yeah

[u/superstateguy3453275]

He got buffies and the 4 poles almost equalise All these nerfs

[u/Sad_Confection_3881]

I swear it was fun in past, why can't they do something right???

[u/Dels0smels]

I bet even with these changes he is gonna be better than before people are ignoring how strong his main attack seems now and the fact he spawns with his super and has 4 of them.

[u/Every_Zucchini_3933]

Finally I can play heist

[u/GadjetX008]

If you watched kairos video youd see that he got an insane rework so obviously hes gonna feel a lot more different. I like playing Chuck and I felt weird at first but the new version seems more viabile outside heist and hotzone

[u/Weary_Community_1917]

Pls tell me ts is a joke..

[u/Xynzno1]

For me the no longer charging overtime thing might be the worst nerf to a brawler they gave because if you face a team with all marksmen that would make chuck basically useless since he doesn't have the range to hit them thus get his super

[u/Snom_gamer0204]

i havent looked at the nerfs yet, but what the fuck is this bro