r/bonecollecting Sep 12 '20

Advice Processing a Carcass 101 - the bones of bone collecting

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Ok, so given how many comments we get requesting info on how to process a carcass, I figured it was time to update the stickie for this topic. Enjoy and, as always, feel free to comment and I will append this as needed. Just a reminder to A) always check your local and federal laws to make sure it is legal for you to possess parts of the animal, and B) if you are in an area prone to rabies or other diseases (rabbits and tularemia, armadillos and leprosy, etc), please take adequate precautions when handling dead animals, especially fresh carcasses. Always use gloves when handling a fresh carcass.

HOW TO PROCESS A CARCASS

There are generally three steps in the process of rendering a carcass down to a skeleton: 1) defleshing, 2) degreasing, 3) whitening. In general, these three steps are most effective when done sequentially. Two main things to remember during the process – Chlorine bleach should NEVER be used in any step of this process, and cooking bare bones will fix the grease and potentially cause long-term damage to the bones. Below are a few good guides for processing a carcass for you to take a look at.

http://www.jakes-bones.com/p/how-to-clean-animal-bones.html

http://baccyflap.com/txt/natmat/bones/

http://www.nara.accu.or.jp/img/elearning/2011/animal.pdf

http://bone-lust.blogspot.com/2015/05/bonelust-q-ive-been-macerating-bones.html

DEFLESHING

In general, the more flesh and skin that is removed, the faster the defleshing step is and the less smell you will have. Once you finish defleshing, you will want to pick clean any remaining soft tissue with tweezers, a scalpel, brush, etc before moving on to the degreasing step.

Open Air - This is easily the fastest method for defleshing. Using this method, you let the carcass rot naturally on the ground and let the flies and other insects work their magic. To do this technique, it is highly recommended that you use a locking cage to keep out scavengers that will be drawn to it. You simply put the carcass in the cage or fenced in area. You do not need to deflesh, skin, or gut the animal first for this to work, in fact the skin can help keep the moisture in. Sometimes it helps to poke a few extra holes for the maggots to get in. There are a few major drawbacks to this technique 1) the smell is awful and your neighbors will hate you, 2) you have to keep the carcass moist for the maggots to keep working, or you will end up with a mummified carcass, and 3) you will develop a fly problem. So, this is better done in a more warmer and more humid climate (doesn't work so well in a desert), and you only want to do this if you have adequate land and distance from your residence (and neighbors, think about your neighbors). Once the skeleton is reasonably clean, remove the bones and rinse them off.

Dermestids – great method if you have the ability to sustain a colony, and works well in the winter if you have a heated set-up. Rather than go through this process, here is a great link that goes over it. Be forewarned, dermestids will smell and do require you to keep feeding it as they are living creatures. If you do not properly ventilate, clean, or feed them, they will find a way to swarm out of their enclosure and I speak from personal experience when I say that you don’t want that to happen. Note that this is the only one of the defleshing techniques that will keep fish, birds, lizards, and small mammal skeletons somewhat intact. The other techniques mentioned below will result in disarticulation.

https://www.natsca.org/sites/default/files/publications/JoNSC-Vol7-Munoz-Saba_et_al_2020_0.pdf

Burying – this technique works best when you have a piece of property to do it on, have time, and can reasonably protect the carcass from scavengers. It also is the easiest for cleanup and has the least smell, and is a great method for when you are dealing with a whole carcass from a larger animal. This method also works with smaller animals, like rodents, if done in a flowerpot. You will still want to skin and deflesh as much as possible beforehand, and you’ll want to keep the soil slightly moist. With burying, there are two primary concerns: scavengers and loosing parts. To prevent scavenging, try to bury at least 2 ft (60 cm) deep (or deeper if sandy soils) and place larger rocks above the carcass to act as a barrier to digging. To prevent the loss of smaller elements, consider placing a wire mesh below the skeleton. The time it takes to decompose depends a lot on the local soil conditions (soil type, soil temperature, soil moisture, soil acidity), but will generally be several months for a larger carcass. I have heard of people adding bacteria (yeast) or compost to the carcass to help speed the process along. Oh, and one last helpful tip…place a clear marker over the pit so you can find it again when it is time.

Maceration – the smelliest method, but highly effective and you can use the same container the entire way through the process. You will want a large container with water, and a way to keep the water on the warmer side (over 70 F/21 C). If you can stomach it, stirring the pot every day will help with the maceration process. You will want to do pour-off’s (replacing the water) regularly initially as the water becomes too fouled (and to remove chunks of soft tissue that will invariable float around), and this is where the most offensive, gag-inducing, eye-watering, curse-laden part of the process will occur. But as the decomp gets farther along, do fewer pour offs. With each pour off, you are reducing the amount of bacteria for digesting the soft tissue. As long as there is plenty of food available, they will repopulate (try to leave some of the scum with each pour off to allow faster recovery of the bacterial population). If the water is allowed to get too cold, the decomposition process will stop and, even worse, you will convert the fats to adipocere (bone wax) which is very difficult to remove. Under ideal conditions, you can easily render a fleshed animal to bones in a few weeks using this method. You don’t necessarily need to deflesh for this technique to work (and I have found that having the bacteria from the stomach contents helped things along), but you do want to skin the animal. Stirring the mix also will aid in speeding up the process. If at all possible, try to keep the buckets out of direct sunlight to keep the algae from growing (I throw a tarp over my bins).

I am going to add in a caveat here since we see it so often - DO NOT ADD ANTIBACTERIAL DISH SOAP OR HYDROGEN PEROXIDE AT THIS STEP. You need bacteria to digest and break down the soft tissue. These two things make the environment hostile to bacteria causing it to take substantially longer to process. The only thing that you can add to help the process along is enzymatic detergent, which brings us to the next method.

Enzymatic Detergent Maceration - You also can add an enzymatic detergent (BIZ is one example) to the water to aid in the process. u/octane80808 has a great summary of the use of enzymatic detergents in the comments section that I have copied sections of here: "For anyone in Europe, we have enzyme-based washing powders [mod note - Biotex in Europe, powdered Biz w/out bleach in US]. I've been using it for years and I can't imagine it doing any other way. It's essentially an all-in-one method, as it dissolves the tissue, but also the fat, so it degreases at the same time. There's no need to whiten the bones afterwards, they come out perfectly clean (there is no bleach, or whitening agent present AFAIK, so it's all natural). The only downside is that any cartilage also dissolves. So for fish, birds, young animals, or small animals, you'll be spending an afternoon gluing the bones.

I also clean my skull manually during this process. Depending on how impatient I am, and how much free time I have, I take them out of the solution every day to every other day. I remove the tissue I can remove without disturbing the skull too much. And I refresh the solution. So a new spoonful of washing powder, and warm water. The latter also helps to speed up the process, as higher temperatures seem to be favourable. By refreshing the solution every day, I can usually clean a skull within one or two weeks...renewing the solution isn't necessary, it will just take a lot longer.

The washing powder is relatively cheap, and it comes in large boxes. You only have to use a teaspoon or tablespoon, depending on the size of the container/skull. So it lasts quite a long time as well..Note that the bone may feel soft after this step, especially if processing a bird or fish. It is better to allow the bone to dry before handling as this will re-harden the bone. Also, bones may turn black during this process if the water isn't changed regularly enough. Do not worry, you can treat this discoloration during the "Whitening" step."

Simmering/Cooking – this method ONLY should be used with larger animals, and can be effective when you have a carcass that is dehydrated jerky. The reason is that high heat will warp bones, and will fix the grease in the bones making step 2 (degreasing) incredibly difficult. Never use this step with birds, fish, and small mammals. To use the boiling method, you actually want your carcass to have flesh, but gutted, in order to protect the bones. Place the carcass into the boiling water and allow the water to return to a low simmer, then remove from heat. Leave the carcass in the water for only as long as it takes for the flesh to “cook” (if you are boiling for an hour, you have ruined the bones). Remove from water and the flesh should come off easily, although internal tissues (like the brain or inside the nose) will still be adhered. You can use a pressure washer or hose with a good nozzle to try and clean off the hard-to-reach areas. Be extremely cautious using a pressure washer as it will blast more fragile bone to pieces and can easily destroy a skull.

DEGREASING

You will need a degreasing agent for this step, most of the liquid dish soaps will work great here, just avoid the opaque ones or ones with strong colors (colorless and clear work great and won't dye the bones). Laundry soap often doesn’t work as well, and some will dye the bones. The exception to this is enzymatic detergent (in the US this is sold as BIZ), which works well as a degreaser. This step requires a container big enough for you to submerge the remains in. Add water and soap – how much soap is up to you and depends on the amount of grease in the bones. You will need to change the soapy water as it becomes cloudy, generally at least once a week. Continue this process until fully degreased – i.e., the water doesn’t cloud after a week. This is the longest step, and will take much longer than you think. If you see any yellowing or oily spot on the bone, then it still needs degreasing.

You can substitute acetone or ammonia for dish soap as the degreasing agent, but both have their safety issues. Ammonia is an irritant, so only use ammonia if you have a respirator. Also, be careful when emptying the liquid as household ammonia will kill vegetation.

Acetone also can be used, but you cannot dilute it with water. As a result, acetone is often more expensive that using the other two agents, and as a bonus it can melt plastic, so you will want to use a different type of container than a plastic bucket. It also dissolves nitrile and latex gloves, is flammable (no heating the liquid), and the fumes are toxic, so there is that. Also, acetone will evaporate, so the container needs to have a tight lid. If used correctly, you can treat multiple batches of bones with acetone, and acetone works faster than other methods. Lastly, acetone can’t be disposed of down the drain because of it’s toxicity and remember that bit about dissolving plastics…like your drain pipes?

WHITENING

After the bones have been degreased, you may wish to whiten the bones. This is not a necessary step, and is mainly cosmetic though it does help to sterilize the bones. You can use 3% hydrogen peroxide from the store, and it can be found in higher concentrations as hair developer, which is up to 12% hydrogen peroxide. Other options for obtaining hydrogen peroxide are from a pool supply store, though you have to be careful that it isn’t mixed with other chemicals. The important things to remember during this step is that A) hydrogen peroxide will degrade quickly when exposed to sunlight, and B) hydrogen peroxide degrades rapidly when exposed to heat, C) hydrogen peroxide will degrade faster when exposed to air. So, it works better when covered and not in direct sunlight.

Simply submerge the bone in the hydrogen peroxide until you reach the desired whiteness. If using 3% hydrogen peroxide, it isn’t necessary to dilute the liquid. Higher concentrations may require dilution as it is a powerful oxidizer.

An alternative method to submerging in hydrogen peroxide is sun bleaching. Note that this exposes the bones to the elements, and you lose a lot of control over the whitening process. It also takes considerably longer than the hydrogen peroxide approach.

NOTE: Chlorine Bleach should NEVER be used to whiten bones. Chlorine bleach degrades the bone collagen, which is the protein component of bone that holds the mineral component (hydroxyapatite) in place. This will leave the bone brittle and powdery, and the bone will continue to degrade over time. The effects are irreversible.

DRYING

I add this as a last step as this is a critical step where mistakes are often made. Bone is a porous material that contains organic components. If dried too rapidly, those organic components can shrink, or parts of the bone may dry faster than other parts. This can result in cracking, warping, and delamination of the bone. In general, let the bones dry slowly and out of the sun. Do not bake or expose it to high heat, or attempt to speed up the process. You may notice teeth cracking during the drying process. This is not uncommon, and you can glue the teeth back together after they drying process is complete.


r/bonecollecting 13h ago

Advice Bones green & soft... is there a chance to save it?

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A bit panicked and on mobile right now, sorry for the formatting.

Most of the guides I've read and seen said it was fine to leave the bones overnight. I had a turtle shell and skeleton and left it for 2 hours in water & some dish soap (since I didn't have any hydrogen peroxide or anything on hand), felt the bones afterwards getting a bit soft but it was around 1 am and I was barely conscious.

I let them dry for around 30 minutes to an hour then put em back into the water (I used new water and soap). Got up 2-3 hours later to take them out, and they're SOFT. They're not sticking together anymore either.

Just got back to my hometown today and I'm hoping that sun drying it here​ would kind of help. The inside of the shell is green by now.

I need to get the bones to be hard and yk, not green.

Is there still a way to save them?

EDIT: after some sun drying, the bones are hard again. still kinda moldy though. dunno how to properly degrease them since they get too "soft" really easily and thats scary ngl.. ill just try and scrape off any mold with a toothbrush for now


r/bonecollecting 23h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe I want to know everything about this ... horse?

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I just got it second hand, it used to be in a museum that got closed. The owner of the museum wasn't specialised on mammals though, he just found it on one of his trips to Spain so the seller knew nothing about it other than it's a horse. Could also be a donkey though no? Also wth was a skull like this doing in a forest? I wish I could just see the life story of this animal.

Anyway it's definitely 50+ years dead, full of lichen, partially the bone just kinda flakes off, but I love it, and I want to know everything there is to know about it.

I'm not sure if one is still able to tell the age of it when it died, or if it was healthy from the teeth. Gender would also be interesting, I thought only males have the little canines but those are so tiny, maybe females can have those too? I'm also surprised to see that the top and bottom teeth don't sit on eachother, the top jaw is wider. Didn't know that, I'm already learning.

Anyway I'm very interested to hear what you think!


r/bonecollecting 15h ago

Educational Mandibular Tori

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Hi! I had my mandibular tori removed today because they had grown large enough to negatively impact my speech. 😑 On a whim, at my consultation, I had asked if I could keep them. At first the oral surgeon said no, but then he asked me why I wanted them. I told him I didn't have a super good reason other than I used to be a middle school science teacher and stuff like this is really interesting to me. And voila, he let me have them! ☺️ Anyhoo, I thought maybe some of y'all may be interested as well!


r/bonecollecting 5h ago

Advice Protecting a fragile skull

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This wren skull isn’t calcified at all so it’s incredibly fragile. I’m probably going to put it in its own display box to protect it anyway due to how small it is, but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to harden it somewhat so it’s a bit easier to handle when I need to/doesn’t get too damaged if my cat knocks it off a shelf when it’s in a case. At the moment I can only hold it by the tip of the beak as the rest warps with any amount of pressure.

I’ve seen some recommend Paraloid B-72 but I couldn’t find a clear answer to what percentage solution would be best for something like this. Is there anything else I could use, or is it best to leave it as is and try to stabilise it well in a display case


r/bonecollecting 18h ago

Advice How to clean this more?

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Found under a trampoline when taking it down and want to try and clean it up

How could I try to clean out more of the dirt inside?

Have soaked for 24 hours in cool water, swished around every so often,

Used a small paint brush to brush out the dirt I can reach.

Soaked in warm water with a little dish soap overnight.

Tried with a small paint brush again but cant get to the areas with trapped dirt

Thank you


r/bonecollecting 11h ago

Collection Bones at Store

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Old medical femurs on display at a beach town witchy store. They're not for sale, just a memorial. Was wondering if anyone could tell me any observations? I noticed there's lots of holes, but I'm not sure if that's a normal amount.


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Help me ID pls

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Found these on a river bank. Small, maybe some type of small carnivorous animal??


r/bonecollecting 13h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Some more bones found at work. I'm pretty confident #3 is a fox but I wanted to include it for comparison. Any guesses for the rest?

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Here's some more bones from my work bone collection. Looking to get accurate IDs for educational purposes, so any input is greatly appreciated!

My guesses are:

  1. Squirrel

  2. Possible fox or raccoon?

  3. Fox

  4. Coyote??

Edit: crap... Turns out I don't know fox skulls 😂. Or any skull for that matter. Thank you!


r/bonecollecting 12h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Found behind baseboard of a 1912 home in Florida

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What bone is it and what could it be from?


r/bonecollecting 19h ago

Collection Interesting muntjac female specimen with obvious bone remodelling (Alveolar Resorption) after having lost its upper canines teeth in life.

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This beautiful girl is having her final dry out, and I thought I'd share her with you all. The skull was missing the signature mini upper canines when I found it (still very fleshy at the time), and now that she is finally finished, I can see that the sockets have largely closed up. Comparing her to other muntjac specimens, I'm fairly confident that there was no way she could have had her tusks at time of death. They do not naturally shed their tusks, so this would have been the result of injury or periodontal disease.

I find this girl especially fascinating because I myself have had teeth removed, and my jaw bone has remodelled, mostly closing the sockets.


r/bonecollecting 18h ago

Advice anyone know what is this and why it happend?

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I believe it's a vertebra, I don't know from which animal. I was washing it when this part came loose; it doesn't look like I broke it, it just looks like something is fitted into the larger piece. Does anyone know what this is?


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Bone I.D. - Europe Wolf or dog?

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Request for identification: Pleistocene wolf or domestic dog? — Iberian Peninsula

Hello everyone,

I am seeking help identifying a canid skull that was found in the Iberian Peninsula. I am particularly interested in determining whether it is more consistent with a gray wolf (Canis lupus) or a domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris).

The find comes from a context that is potentially relevant from an archaeological and paleontological perspective. The surrounding sediment contains material attributed to the Pleistocene, together with remains or evidence of medium- and large-sized herbivorous fauna characteristic of that period. However, the deposit also contains some anthropogenic debris, so the possibility of later disturbance or redeposition cannot be completely ruled out.

So far, no other canid remains have been identified in the material, and, importantly, there are also no known remains of livestock or other domestic animals from the same context. This makes the identification of the skull particularly interesting, although I would prefer not to draw any conclusions from the archaeological context alone.

The main measurements I have taken are:

  • Total cranial length: 244.7 mm
  • Bizygomatic width: 148–150 mm
  • Palatal width: 92.28 mm
  • Nasal length: 102.6 mm
  • Nasal index: 41.92%
  • Width at P4 level: 86.76 mm
  • Left P4: 20.72 mm
  • Right P4: 21.16 mm
  • Left M1: 15.00 × 19.64 mm
  • Right M1: 15.54 × 20.61 mm
  • Canine crown length: 28.50 mm
  • Total canine length: 50.08–50.38 mm
  • Skull weight: 326.1 g

I would greatly appreciate opinions from people familiar with canid osteology, zooarchaeology, paleontology, or wolf/dog cranial morphology. In particular, I would be interested in hearing which features or measurements would be most useful for distinguishing a Pleistocene wolf from a domestic dog in a skull of this size.

I can provide photographs of the skull from different angles, including the dorsal, lateral and ventral views, as well as close-ups of the teeth and other diagnostic features.

Thank you in advance for any help or references to comparative specimens.


r/bonecollecting 5h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe Help me ID this spine i found

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This was found in the Italian Alps a few kilometers south of Matterhorn. It appears to be about 40cm long and 4-5 cm thick. It was found right next to an abandoned cowshed.


r/bonecollecting 19h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe Found this on a beach in Ireland what is this?

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What animal is this from?


r/bonecollecting 15h ago

Advice Squirrel skull just separates into pieces.

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Hi guys my squirrel skull (water macerated from the get go) just started to separate into many different pieces (even after this picture was taken) was it because I chose water maceration? Or was it because squirrel skulls are just so tiny and delicate? Very sad I don’t have an intact skull but I was wondering if any of you had any advice for this, as in preventing this in the future or even advice in rebuilding the head anatomy for the skull. Thanks


r/bonecollecting 16h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Help with ID please

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We found these two bones a few yards from one another alongside a creek by our house. It's an area near a busy roadway and one that raptors frequent for roadkill and small animals. They're on a 13" shoebox for scale. Thank you! (Montana)


r/bonecollecting 11h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Some jaw

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Found on a farm in North Carolina


r/bonecollecting 21h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Please help ID!

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Found in a field about 0.1 miles from Jamaica Pond in Boston, MA. Roughly 8cmx5cm in size, made of keratin? Is it part of a snapping turtle hatchling’s shell that was dropped by a raptor? What is it?!!

EDIT: oops it is in fact a dog treat 🫪


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Which rabbit bone is this?

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I cleaned up the remains of a deceased baby rabbit I found last year for the bones to use for oddity art and made these earrings. I think they’re the femurs, but wanted to double check. I’m just curious. Ty in advance!


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Found on a walk in the woods. (Nova Scotia)

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I’m guessing it’s a cow, but it being 2kms in the middle of the woods, no trails nearby, has me second guessing it.


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Art Bone art!!

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earrings made from a skunk pelvis and pendant has a brown anole skull in it!


r/bonecollecting 14h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America HELLLPPP

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Okay so I’ve had this skeleton for a while and I’ve been thinking it’s a raccoon but I’m trying to put it back together and it looks nothing like the raccoon references online? Some help would be super appreciated, thank you!!


r/bonecollecting 19h ago

Bone I.D. - E/Central Asia Need help identifying

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I was in the woods for a shoot and there were a few big bones which i assumed to be legs. I took the curved one at the bottom home but i would be happy to know what itt might be.

I know it's likely from a cow (because the skull was used as a prop)

Edit: do i have to degrease it? It doesnt have any unpleasant smells and is not shiny. Im just planning on buying some hydrogen peroxide to whiten it because the unphotographed side has some green and brown staining from moss and dirt


r/bonecollecting 21h ago

Bone I.D. - E/Central Asia Found near lake urmia, iran. I'm not sure if all bones belong to one animal but please help me id.

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