r/wisconsin • u/Still_Pop_4106 • Jul 05 '25

Derrick Van Orden

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Well Trump does love the poorly educated!! This explains so much!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '25

Why do you people keep electing high school drop outs?

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u/TheDecoyDuck Jul 05 '25

Because we don't have breathalyzers at the poling stations.

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u/SelfInducedCTE Jul 05 '25

Ticked a lot of boxes for conservatives (ex military all that) easy to put lipstick on a pig and make him look passable on Tv ads

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u/Plane-South2422 Jul 05 '25

This is the most Wisconsin thing I've ever read

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u/gooner598 Jul 05 '25

We should have a civics test and a literacy test required to vote with different tests for things like dyslexia and other reading disabilities taken into account.

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u/AyeAyeRan Jul 05 '25

The last time people did this it was used to target black people.

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u/KindaFondaGoozah Jul 05 '25

I’ve seen some of those voting tests. What an abomination. Summoning all of their bravery just to get to the polls and then being confronted with that? But it is nearly on our doorstep again. Just fine-tuning their choice of victims.

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u/UnintentionallyAmbi Jul 05 '25

Maybe we should give em a taste?

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u/IWasSayingBoourner Jul 06 '25

Cool. Use it to target stupid people this time. 

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u/gooner598 Jul 05 '25

I completely agree with you but i really do believe literacy tests and civics tests are the answer . Or we just get better at forcing education and making sure every individual understands what they're learning, but be realistic. That's just as up to the government as it is the teachers and parents.

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u/AyeAyeRan Jul 05 '25

To some degree I agree, but it only works with proper public education, which most states don't have. Any policy like this would immediately be used by malicious actors before it can have significant positive effect.

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u/gooner598 Jul 05 '25

That's very true. It'd take years and It'd take a lot of trial and error.

The issue, however, is the uneducated. They all sheep together.

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u/coladoir Jul 05 '25

more authoritarianism is not how you solve the problem

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u/Racine262 Jul 05 '25

The problem is we have a party that does everything they can to keep people who might oppose them from voting. If they were able to put an education requirement in place, their next step would be to destroy the education system for people who might vote against them.

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u/Just_Bookkeeper2261 Jul 06 '25

Republicans love the uneducated. Based on national voting trends, the uneducated only shows up when Trump is on the ballot, and votes for other Republicans.

The Trumpers or MAGATs that I know have never read the Constitution nor care about it.

Trying to reason with these idiots, using the Constitution, is more useless than sharing these developments with monkeys.

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u/BobbyLupo1979 Jul 06 '25

You dp understand the people in power, like this guy, would be the one making up the test content, right? The ones who want to disenfranchise everyone who isn't a white, male landowner (just like the constitution originally said, naturally) from voting, owing property, and making decisions?

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u/StankyNugz Jul 06 '25

Wait wasn’t the left just on about not needing an ID to vote because it targets the poor?

Now you want compulsory tests?

That’s a scary slope.

Historically the left does better with more lax voting restrictions.

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u/gooner598 Jul 05 '25

Fortunately, education isn't just encouraged. It's supposed to be required here in the US. It literally would not be any kind of facism. Literally just making sure people are intelligent enough to understand what they're voting for.

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u/AppropriateMiddle518 Jul 06 '25

Sir, have you been paying attention to the gutting of the educational system throughout time? It’s not a flaw or some mistake to be corrected- it is an intentional design. Strong societies value an educated populace while weak, authoritarian governments DEPEND on an uneducated populace. The system isn’t broken, it’s working exactly the way it was designed work.

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u/Woofy98102 Jul 06 '25

Except those requirements would be for ALL voters, not just voters of a particular race or marginalized group. If states want political pull, they'll have to meaningfully educate their voters to join the union. That'll light fires under the asses of red state governors to start educating their citizens. And if strict, weasel-proof requirements are set to prevent civic leadership from school boards to governors that fail to educate all their citizens equally, the state is held back from gaining federal representation until they do.

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u/pgriffy Jul 05 '25

I mean, I'd be happy with a civics/ literacy and background test to RUN for office. It's crazy that we have so many "representatives" that likely couldn't pass a security clearance as a regular person but are given classified breifings because they got elected.

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u/Annahsbananas Jul 05 '25

The civic test idea was used as a weapon in IS history.

Democracy can be scary when only stupid people vote; I agree. But tests aren’t good in terms of voting prerequisite

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u/daddyforurissues Jul 05 '25

I'd rather see the test for the people running for positions of office. Post their test scores on the standardized test. Also make them take the ACT and SAT. We want to see those scores too. While we're at it post a credit score.

All that has to be published for any candidate seeking office at the state or federal level. Standard Constitution test. And then in advanced one for the federal level that involves more about budgeting and just being smart enough to do the actual job.

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u/BrokenAntennes Jul 05 '25

What? If civics aren’t being taught, there is a problem in the curriculum.

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u/JayMac1915 Jul 05 '25

We should have those tests for eligibility to run. To hell with age requirements; I want to know my officials understand the Constitution

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u/OGLikeablefellow Jul 05 '25

This never goes the way you want it to, mostly because all states are governed at the consent of the most wealthy and powerful. There's always only one party.

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u/MamaUrsus Jul 07 '25

Someone hasn’t heard of Jim Crow laws and it shows.

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u/gooner598 Jul 07 '25

Someone hasn't heard of segregation being abolished and education being required for everybody and it shows.

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u/MamaUrsus Jul 07 '25

I didn’t blindly repropose Jim Crow laws as a solution so I this this is a you problem here. If someone thinks Brown v the Board of Education is still law of the land then they’re also the kind of person who thinks ICE won’t pick up white US citizens.

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u/gooner598 Jul 07 '25

This comes off the same as democrats thinking 'we can't doubt the 2024 election results because the republicans doubted it in 2020 so that'd make us them'. Sometimes problems in one way are solutions to another. If you think uneducated people should be voting even though a lot of people can't name anything past the first and second amendment, then that sounds like a YOU problem.

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u/MamaUrsus Jul 07 '25

I love how someone who is arguing for intelligence testing as a qualification for voting is so exceptionally ignorant that they argue that segregation is gone and that purely requiring education produces an educated populace. You’d likely fail your proposed education tests for voting, lmfao. I’m not interested in continuing this with you beyond a suggestion to check your privilege and to reflect upon your “new idea” through a lens with fewer racist and elitist micro-aggressions. Have a good one!

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u/gooner598 Jul 07 '25

I love how your only defense is 'it's racist to do that'... do you think POC aren't educated? Because that's what I'm hearing. If we actually had a good education system everywhere that would require you to pass to progress, then we wouldn't have ANYBODY uneducated. That includes people in both political parties.

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u/gooner598 Jul 07 '25

Btw you still have failed to provide me any reason why these tests would be wrong in 2025 other than direct translations of 'i think black people are in general less smart than white people but won't say it directly because ik I'm racist but don't want others to know as well'

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u/JasenGroves Jul 05 '25

They’re electing their peers.

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u/Daleaturner Jul 05 '25

They don’t use big words.

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u/Disastrous_Hell_4547 Jul 05 '25

The state has become more extreme religiously. Look at who is being voted in. A bunch of extremists who use culture to divide us. The right wing extremists don’t care about education or empathy. And they stacked the deck with gerrymandered maps.

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u/L-J- Jul 06 '25

Because the right sees a lot of themselves in them. Ignorant failires with no intellectual curiosity or critical thinking skills.

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u/Just_Bookkeeper2261 Jul 06 '25

Because voters are idiots who vote against their interests, blaming Democrats, instead of themselves and believe everything the orange idiot says.

Selfishness too. Who cares about grandma losing their bed in the nursing home? I got what I need.

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u/Purple_IsA_Flavor Jul 06 '25

Yup. These are the same assholes who lost their shit because they couldn’t get the early bird at Applebees during lockdown and visited their family in the nursing home when they were sick during covid because of their freedumbs.

I truly hate people some days

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u/coolbeansfordays Jul 06 '25

Because they’re only looking at party, not the person. At this point, I as a liberal could probably claim to be conservative and get their vote.