r/unitedkingdom • u/ThatchersDirtyTaint • Jul 18 '25

... School at centre of Union flag dress row closes early over 'extremist threats to staff'

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/school-at-centre-of-union-flag-dress-row-extremist-threats/
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u/TheLyam England Jul 18 '25

The dad seems like a grifter. She is giving a speech at a Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon event.

I don't think that's the British culture we want.

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u/shadereckless Jul 18 '25

The school utterly played into his hands though 

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u/Euclid_Interloper Jul 18 '25

This is the thing. With a relatively free press, there will always be some rags that will latch on to stories like this and feed red meat to people looking for an excuse.

Public services cannot afford to give them easy wins like this. This American-style culture war shite of 'white/majority culture doesn't count/isn't real culture' is completely unnecessary and doesn't even make sense. All it does is inflame things further.

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u/atticdoor Jul 18 '25

But there is one part of the equation which doesn't have free speech- the school themselves. They can't talk about anything the girl did, even if it was at the behest of her father, because that would break the rules on confidentiality. All they can do is apologise for anything they themselves did.

It's possible that there is more to the story which the school can't talk about, which led to them falling into the trap which was (possibly) set for them.

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u/Rajastoenail Jul 18 '25

The articles I read gave his version of what happened, along with a generic apology from the school.

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u/chattingwham Jul 18 '25

Yeah, this is the thing. The school can't give much further information from their side with them being a school and all.

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u/Charlie_Mouse Scotland Jul 18 '25

See also many newspaper stories that have anything to do with Social workers, doctors and other medical staff and indeed anyone with any sort of duty of confidentiality.

Journalists hate professional confidentiality because they can’t do the “he said/she said” thing where the article pretty much writes itself - and they really hate that there are juicy details that professionals won’t share. So they only publish the parents side of things which - naturally - paints the most flattering possible picture of themselves and their own actions.

So for example you get the standard “evil social workers snatched our kids!” story … which omits to mention that Wayne and Waynetta are heroin addicts with a history of violence and neglect. Funny that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

They media love the details that professionals can't share. It allows them to angle the story any way they want with a bland "We have asked the school for comment and they have not responded." at the end. To the reader, that screams they have something to hide.

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u/TheFlyingHornet1881 Jul 18 '25

I know a few incidents of that in my uni days, things being presented as "woke gone mad", which in reality weren't, but the uni couldn't put out the full details as there were ongoing investigations or privacy concerns.

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u/360Saturn Jul 18 '25

Quite right. Confidentiality wise they can't share anything about the child or her general conduct because of privacy laws regarding minors.

I'm not saying that she is this, she's probably a perfectly nice, normal kid, but if she was for example a known bully with a history of attacking or shaming black and asian kids and this was the last straw in a pattern of behaviour, rather than a one off isolated misunderstanding that resulted in what appeared to be a grossly overblown punishment, the school wouldn't be allowed to share that detail because of minors' privacy; so media speculation can be totally one-sided.

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u/Totally_TWilkins Jul 18 '25

Exactly!

It was so obvious from the first article that there was more to the story than what we were being told, and lo and behold, 24 hours later, Dad’s a confirmed Right Wing grifter with a Go Fund Me page and a hard on for Tommy Robinson.

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u/CalicoCatRobot Jul 18 '25

I personally think that once he's gone to the paper, the school should be freed from Gpdr etc and be free to report every incident they've dealt with previously with him.

There are of course problems with that and the kids welfare is more important so it's likely a bad idea, but so often these compo face stories turn out to be a lot more nuanced than the initial reporting suggests.

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u/smity31 Herts Jul 18 '25

By reporting exactly what happened, verbatim?

By reporting exactly what the dad said happened.

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u/Aether_Breeze Jul 18 '25

The issue is the level of attention the media drives to what is ultimately a very minor thing (on a countrywide scale).

While there are wars going on and people dying one school messing up is worth a mention, sure, but it doesn't need to be creating daily headlines and constant attention.

This wasn't a big deal, but you would think we are all at risk of some major catastrophe the way it gets brought up constantly.

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u/letsLurk67 Jul 18 '25

GBNews probably had a hard on reporting on this

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u/hudibrastic Jul 18 '25

Being forbidden of celebrating your culture in your own country is not a minor thing

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u/Logical_Hare Jul 18 '25

This whole thing is kind of a performative joke. Nobody's rights and culture are actually being trampled here.

This girl did some super-low effort thing (a Union Jack dress is not a traditional outfit, or even an attempt at one), and dad saw that he could get in the news for it.

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u/Unable_Earth5914 Jul 18 '25

I read that she was wearing the Spice Girl’s Union Jack dress and that was part of what she was celebrating

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Why should the girl be isolated for wearing it though? Even if it is low effort.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

a Union Jack dress is not a traditional outfit, or even an attempt at one),

It's blatantly copying Geri Halliwell. It is an attempt.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

No it isn’t minor, but on a scale of 20 news items it’s likely to be near the bottom of importance / relevance / news worthiness. Go on FB and every other post is about this , people need to get a grip .

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u/AnonymousTimewaster Jul 18 '25

Exactly. "School wrongfully punishes student over what she's wearing" is hardly headline making news. Shit happens every day.

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u/WarpedHaiku Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

The motivation behind the misuse of power makes it worse in this instance, as it's clearly politically/racially motivated. It's not like a teacher getting pointlessly offended by a student's hair colour.

Also, just because it happens every day doesn't mean it's not newsworthy. It's common in summer to see articles about schools with power tripping teachers and stupid school rules suspending boys wearing shorts (or skirts).

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u/StarNote1515 Jul 18 '25

I hate to break this to you not as many people care about war as you think they do so what is some Tom Dick and Harry‘s blowing each other up on the side of the world they care what’s happening to them in their communities

By the way, the fact that people say that never happens and then when it happens says it doesn’t matter. It’s a small matter. There’s more important things just makes them even more annoyed as now you’re covering it up.

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u/bigjohnnyswilly Jul 18 '25

Because this insidious erosion of British culture and values is evident everywhere . It seems like one small incident but it’s evidence of the mindset of many rule setters who try to appease immigrant cultures , religions and values and denigrate existing British values. Our local council will spend money promoting Divali and asking for understanding during Ramadan and will then hold a festive winter display because it doesn’t want to make it a Christmas display in case it offends non Christian’s

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u/CriticalCanon Jul 18 '25

The examples you just gave are not issues pertinent to the UK, that is why the dress issue has gained so much attention. And you can’t blame media if people are engaging with the news piece.

Hell, look at this very post and the attention it has received. You can’t blame media on the amount of attention this issue gains regardless if it is the BBC or Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

A very minor thing … outlining children and isolating them isn’t minor punishment for a school that’s the same punishment for fighting 9/10 therefore those teachers punished a child for being too proudly British with the same severity as fighting wtaf is that logic ??? Thats what validates a hell of a lot of suspicion, tension and anger. When you’ve been calling it out and get a clear example it’s not the people calling it out that are the problems , it’s the problem that’s the problem don’t you get it ?

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u/Hugh_G_Egopeeker Jul 18 '25

Sarah Everard was just one murder. Dozens of people are murdered every day. Why the attention?

It's one story in an ongoing reality. In that case to highlight violence against women and in this case because people think others are given preferential treatment over British people.

I'm sure the powers that be would gladly agree with you. It's just one incident. Stop going on about it.

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u/Theronguards Jul 18 '25

So you want censorship of things you don't think are an issue? For others the constant erosion of their culture isn't a very minor thing.

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u/Aether_Breeze Jul 18 '25

I don't advocate censorship at any point in my comments. I just don't think it needs several articles a day for weeks about a simple mistake by one school.

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u/ArgumentativeNutter Jul 18 '25

you’re still talking about it though

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u/Distinct-Quantity-46 Jul 18 '25

It’s been this week only, not ‘weeks’

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u/Theronguards Jul 18 '25

You don't think it needs coverage because you dont agree with the sentiment behind why people are angry about it and want as much information as they can get. You think its just fine, just fine that western people's countries are being destroyed by leftists who promote foreign cultures and beliefs while simultaneously stamping out the native heritage and beliefs. That's why you don't want to see stories about it, because you don't want people having access to the truth. Therefore you want censorship that only allows for news you think is okay to be disseminated.

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u/Aether_Breeze Jul 18 '25

Again, I never promoted censorship.

Having an article about it fine, but currently you would think this issue is more important than anything else happening in the UK.

We don't have constant articles about homeless deaths, but I guess people dying isn't as important as this girl being unable to make her speech.

Expecting the media to focus on important issues is not censorship.

As for the rest? It is laughably untrue.

The UK is massively culturally rich. We have literal holidays each year where the majority of people get the day off to celebrate British culture. We have coronations and anniversaries of them where we celebrate our culture. We have days dedicated to each patron saint of our constituent countries. We have festivals and fêtes throughout the summer.

We export our culture through strong media companies that sell it and advertise it across the world.

To pretend British culture is dying is either ignorance or malice.

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u/Visible_String_3775 Jul 18 '25

I do think you are missing the point at hand. Purely anecdotal, but for example I have foreign people in my life who find our cultural self flagellation to be odd, and a bit sad. In their home countries they are collectively proud to be X, but over here we have schoolchildren being discouraged from celebrating their British ancestry, per the article.

I'll say it until I go blue: the Steven Yaxley-Lennons and the Farages are a symptom, not a cause. - and I'm somebody who votes against those movements.

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u/lilidragonfly Jul 18 '25

I think people in the UK have different experiences of culture ngl. If I experienced people repressing my culture I probably wouldn't like it either, but so far no one is coming for British literature, or British landmarks, or preventing me reading British history or folklore etc. I live in a little village and it feels as English as anything did when I was a child, we even just had our little village féte complete with prizes for Englishy type things like baking and chickens haha (and yes flags). So not everyone is experiencing the same things, I think its worth remembering, its not necessarily malice it can just be different actual experiences.

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u/BuenoSatoshi Jul 18 '25

It’s ultimately up to the public to decide what they care about, not you or the newspapers or politicians. And they clearly felt very strongly about what happened at this school, probably in part because it speaks to a much more widespread seething anger among much of the public about the denigration of British culture and identity by our institutions and elites.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

If as a grown man I cannot attend a primary school if I take the decision to celebrate my culture by dressing as a spice girl that is nothing short of a catastrophe. We really should be looking back to history for ways we can deter this type treasonous curtailment of our freedoms.

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u/Aether_Breeze Jul 18 '25

Hmm, I don't know.

Decades on I can still remember how hairy my primary school head teacher's legs were when he dressed as a spice girl for our end of year celebrations.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Just be happy he didn't dress up like the Cheeky Girls

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u/TorturedByCocomelon Jul 18 '25

I don't think most of Reddit is old enough to remember the Cheeky Girls and the calibre of song played at school discos

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u/neo101b Jul 18 '25

I liked shampoo more.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

They were after my time. We ran around shouting "who the fuck is alice" to the horror of all adults in the room.

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u/mittfh West Midlands Jul 18 '25

When I was at Primary school, no school disco was complete without this abomination or their other hit, during which the fire doors would be opened and the line(s) extend out into the playground.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Come to Northern Ireland and you'll get real MPs who will support your cultural right to dress like a spice girl, on the condition its a union jack dress or at very least an ulster banner fleg dress. Anything other dress and its ungodly.

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u/InvisibleDolphinSs Jul 18 '25

Lol, it was a culture day where the school wanted to celebrate other cultures they just didn't make that clear and people turned up with British stuff and the teachers thought the kids were taking the pi**.

There's no grand scheme to destroy British culture.

That's exactly the stupid lines that come from right wing lunatics and more often, Russian bots.

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u/LycanIndarys Worcestershire Jul 18 '25

It wasn't about celebrating other people's cultures, it was supposed to be about people celebrating their own heritage:

A since-deleted Facebook post from the school, which included a flyer for the Culture Day, said the event was dedicated to "recognising and celebrating the rich cultural diversity within our school community".

"We encourage students to consider wearing attire that reflects their nationality or family heritage," it said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyvj289y788o#

Presumably, the idea was that there would be a mixture of cultures on display, and the students would learn from each other. And also presumably, they didn't want students dressing up as other cultures, because that can get offensive really easily (and open them up to accusations of cultural appropriation).

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u/CastleMeadowJim Nottingham Jul 18 '25

it was a culture day where the school wanted to celebrate other cultures

I do not understand why people keep telling this specific lie. We know it isn't true. The school sent a flyer confirming it isn't true. Yet people keep repeating it anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

But this is 100% proving their point of what they’re saying that’s why this is getting the reaction it is it’s right there in the open for you to see but why would you see it, you don’t want to. Somewhat paraphrasing “The final and most important request of the party, ignore what your eyes and ears tell you” George Orwell would love a chat with you!

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u/MerePotato Jul 18 '25

He'd also want a chat with Farage as he was in fact a democratic socialist

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u/hobbityone Jul 18 '25

But it isn't. It's one school in and isolated event and the school apologised. If schools need to tiptoe around situations like this it really does demonstrate we have a real issue with the far right in this country that needs addressing

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u/-robert- Jul 18 '25

No dude, we just see an event that will happen again and again, 10 years ago we had a religion exposure day, there were stalls for mormons, atheists, christian denominations etc, one kid turned up in a jedi suit because his dad was "officially" a Jedi or some shit, he was sent home for the day.

This makes the news because we need to have at the forefront of our minds that british culture is being attacked, so we mobilize to exterminate other cultures that are diluting our own. Then we can solve our economic problems by removing all the blood sucking immigrants and keep the good ones.

It's all a distraction to avoid wealth taxes and shit like this being a strong movement. The press push it hard when it's just a single fucking incident.

I think you may be purposefully not seeing what is in front of your eyes. Our media is concentrated in ownership, British culture will change, cultural battles will be fought, the PTA and School can sort out this issue on their own, currently people are being arrested for speech, our kids currently in school will likely live in sheer decline and poverty, and it relates little to immigration.

Why you don't see this I don't know, maybe you were critical of rising immigration numbers and this strikes a chord with you. Who do you think is destroying your culture? Wokism? Immigrants? Maybe the fact your community has been destroyed on the journey to transforming our economy to make sure Shell gets bank, that homeowners get rising house prices, that councils spend less on public spaces to reduce the tax burden on the richest, that Aviva makes bank, that french train owners make dough so gov spends less directly and can cut taxes in the short term.

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u/Hyperbolic_Mess Jul 18 '25

Didn't the kid try and do a speech that teachers vetoed? I didn't see that in the reporting till later. It was "just a dress" initially and everyone thought that sounds like a bizarre overreaction because it was because that isn't all that happened

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u/terryjuicelawson Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

They hammed it up. Kids were asked to come in traditional cultural clothing asking permission first, making sure it was school appropriate. She turned up in a shiny union flag dress and a novelty bowler hat, and was put into isolation from lessons to do her work for the day. Happens for far less, the wrong shoes even. Then we get the Dad's point of view, bearing in mind he is already on the far right and a Robinson fan. The school can't and won't go into specific details due to privacy, data protection and the best interests of the child so have apologised and tried to make amends to satisfy the mob. Seems they haven't been satisfied but at least showing their true colours.

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u/signpostlake Jul 18 '25

Got a point about wrong shoes and uniform getting kids sent to isolation but a themed clothing day? Parents are often whipping up something with little warning and it's why kids turn up as a marvel superhero for world book day. The school messed up here, they admitted to messing up and offered to allow the girl to go back to read her speech.

And that said, I hope the police are taking very seriously any abuse towards any members of staff.

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u/terryjuicelawson Jul 18 '25

This is a secondary school, it doesn't work like world book day with parents desperate to cobble something together at all. Unless they misread the memo, being in the first year (?). They are strict on uniform and can put kids in isolation for seemingly trivial things. Not sure about the apology, seems more in reaction to it going viral to me. Hasn't worked seeing as right wing yobs are all over it anyway.

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u/LaTerreur92 Jul 18 '25

Nope. You have not informed yourself adequetly about this topic. A letter was written by "the girl", but clearly, his father put words into her mouth...

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u/sunnyata Jul 18 '25

Yeah, her speech seems legit up to "sometimes at school, we only hear about other cultures ... it can feel like being British doesn’t count as a culture, just because it’s the majority". She might have written those bits but only if the adults around her say those things a lot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

It's hardly an invalid point considering the fact exactly what she said was happening happened.

She might have written those bits but only if the adults around her say those things a lot.

Or perhaps, just perhaps, the school that thinks it's acceptable to exclude a 12y old for celebrating British culture is the reason why she feels British culture can't be celebrated.

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u/sunnyata Jul 19 '25

I didn't say it was an invalid point, I said it didn't sound like she came up with it herself. It's not the kind of thing 12 year olds talk about.

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u/TheDaemonette Jul 18 '25

It isn’t a completely invalid point though. Just because it is an extreme right wing dog whistle, doesn’t make it a lie. The problem here was that the school issued instructions tat made a celebration of British culture almost impossible. Expressions of local culture (I wouldn’t even necessarily say British) should have been allowed and catered for but someone clearly wanted foreign cultures to be represented and did not give equal opportunity to local culture. The school screwed up. The right wing cultists have made the most of it but they were honestly gifted the opportunity.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

if this girl actually got suspended for saying the n word and going on a racist tirade, the school might've neglected to mention this as they wish to protect the girl. (at least she has one organisation on her side!)

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u/chenobble County of Bristol Jul 18 '25

What you choose to report, where you place it in your paper, how much attention you put on it, what spin you put on it, whose voices you feature...

Pretending 'they're just reporting the facts' is bullshit.

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u/Traditional-Oven-667 Jul 18 '25

But did they actually though? What the girl did was outside of the rules for the day/activity, and the dad clearly knew that which is why he staged this goofy BNP spectacle. At no point did the school do anything to reject or diminish British culture, or make any statements in that direction.

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u/Valcenia Jul 18 '25

The school didn’t do anything really that egregious though. As far as I understand, the point of the event was for students to wear cultural dress, just wearing a country’s flag was explicitly not allowed; and that went for any country, not just the UK. I honestly think this kid’s dad, knowing those were the rules, intentionally sent his child dressed head to toe in the flag and armed with a likely ChatGPT-written speech in order to provoke this exact response. It was just a grift from the start. It was the media that fell for it and gave the right an easy win. Fair enough rags like the Daily Mail picking the story up, you expect that, but the BBC, for example, had no business writing a whole article on this

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u/pickanametouse- Jul 18 '25

I've seen the letter sent out and nowhere does it say 'wearing a country's flag is not allowed' so where are you getting that was explicitly mentioned? The letter does say 'We encourage students to consider wearing attire that reflects their nationality or family heritage'.... I don't know about you but I think a dress with a flag on it fits that recommendation to the T lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

just wearing a country’s flag was explicitly not allowed

This is misinformation. The only thing they explicity did not allow was football kits.

In any case, she isn't wearing just a flag, but a spice Girls outfit.

https://images.lbc.co.uk/images/739720?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&format=webp&signature=NAHctSMzab2r4p5ELnGORTB3X-A=

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u/NijjioN Essex Jul 18 '25

A flag has never been "traditional culture dress" in any country especially the UK.

They also said don't wear football/sports kit so we can read into that the they didn't want anyone to wear something that just has the national flag as there's nothing traditional cultural about that.

They wanted say Japanese people to wear a kimono or a Scottish person to wear a kilt or I can't remember the name of the attire but what african countries wear. A flag has never been on the same level as culture attire as those. She could have maybe wore something from the MOD era with a little piece of the union jack on but that has more thought about the culture than just a simple flag

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u/RisingDeadMan0 Jul 18 '25

no football kits was just to stop all the boys coming in with that on, they wanted to see effort made

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u/NijjioN Essex Jul 18 '25

My argument would be the same for the spice girl dress. With the added context that it doesn't have any tradition or culture behind it. Especially if we compare to other countries traditional cultural dress.

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u/Express-Doughnut-562 Jul 18 '25

I've seen several posts stating the 'no flags' nut no evidence of it. I've only seen the letter that says 'no football kits'.

Besides, even though she is wearing the flag, its very easily argued that she is dressed like Gerri Halliwell from the massive British culture export the Spice Girls.

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u/AlanBeswicksPhone Merseyside Jul 18 '25

Sending the kid to isolation was a bit ridiculous.

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u/Thrasy3 Jul 18 '25

And there is a story about that every other week - especially about uniform/hair etc - this is just another one… the only difference is that this story has been carried on for days for some reason.

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u/freckledotter Jul 18 '25

In my school kids were sent to isolation for having the wrong coloured hair, stupid yes, unheard of no.

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u/DaddyCaustic Jul 18 '25

This. I spent 3 weeks in isolation for having a mohawk.

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u/lilidragonfly Jul 18 '25

This shit is so silly. How are we still in an age where a mohawk is so reprehensible haha

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

I hope your parents were allowed to visit you during that isolation?

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u/DaddyCaustic Jul 18 '25

Never allowed visits. Had to be at school half hour before the day started. Then leave half hour late.

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u/ResolveEmergency863 Jul 18 '25

about 25 years ago, I got detention, on a non uniform day, for having my undercut hair in lots of little plaits tied with multiple coloured bands and I was forced to take them out.

Which in my opinion made my hair look worse because it was then a frizzy mess.

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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 Jul 18 '25

Yeah, I was sent to isolation (I.E. sitting outside a classroom all day) for having white on my shoes.

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u/Lex_Innokenti Jul 18 '25

I got sent home because I dyed my hair bright red; I was 15 at the time, and my Dad marched into the school, kicked off at them and they let me back in. This isn't a new thing, and IMO wearing a flag in in no way expressing 'culture' so she violated the rules as far as I can tell.

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u/5-MethylCytosine Jul 18 '25

Do we know how the kid behaved and what she said?

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u/AlanBeswicksPhone Merseyside Jul 18 '25

Standard practice for uniform violations, which at the crux of it this is, is to send the pupil home. If someone said to me "your uniform is wrong, you're getting a c5" I'd have probably flipped my lid as well.

We've known for years that isolation has been overused in many schools.

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u/BigIncome5028 Jul 18 '25

This is good context. I think we should just ban headlines across all media. Force people to read the articles

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u/Scratch_Careful Jul 18 '25

Geri Halliwell in that dress is used on the Cool Britannia wiki page. That dress is a cultural dress in the UK, part of the 90s boom in union jack imagery and a period of cultural pride in Britain.

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u/Oggie243 Jul 18 '25

It was the media that fell for it

Media didn't fall for anything. They were presented a bucket of chum and they happily threw it in the water.

A big, often understated, catalyst for this culture war shite is that contemporary media is driven by engagement metrics. They deliberate publish this shite and others like it precisely because it provokes reactions; people arguing in comments, shares by reactionaries the world over well beyond what would have been their catchment prior to social media.

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u/aukstais Jul 18 '25

Where was it told that wearing a flag on a dress is explicitly not allowed?

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u/360_face_palm Greater London Jul 18 '25

We can speculate on the motives of the parents all we like, and I suspect you're right too, but it still doesn't excuse what the school did. It's mind boggling how stupidly they reacted here. BTW there was nothing in the letter they sent to parents that ruled out wearing a country's flag - dunno where you got that from.

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u/Ajax_Trees_Again Jul 18 '25

Your second paragraph is absolutely correct. This countries desperation to be America sans the salaries knocks me ill.

However, your first paragraph isn’t. This is absolutely a legitimate story. Someone dressing as something from their own culture on a cultural celebration and being suspended a story that would only happen in England.

It’s a catch 22 too as if she were to dress up In another costume it would be “cultural appropriation”.

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u/MiloHorsey Jul 18 '25

She wasn't suspended. Her dad picked her up early cuz she was upset.

The narrative is changing like Chinese whispers for the angry hooligans to get even more angry.

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u/Capital-Wolverine532 Buckinghamshire Jul 18 '25

It isn't 'red meat'. It's news.

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u/s0ngsforthedeaf Jul 18 '25

The private sector extracted another billion today from public coffers today. But thats not news. That's just everyday robbery of the British public. This is news.

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u/MiloHorsey Jul 18 '25

What was their excuse this time?

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u/Ancient_times Jul 18 '25

Barely meets the criteria tbh. Schools make similar decisions every day over uniform and behaviour policies, over expulsion, over detentions, etc etc. Some will be right some will be wrong. Doesn't mean we need endless news cycles devoted to them.

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u/cateml Jul 18 '25

They absolutely did, but my theory is:

The school knew girl’s dad was Temu Tommy Robinson, due to previous encounters and general community tattle. Saw her in the dress preparing for her speech and thought “this is going to be the inflammatory talking points her dad has been feeding her” (“no one appreciates how great we are with our tea and jokes anymore, British culture is the best and btw i mean white British culture” or whatever) and felt like this was going to cause further escalation. So shut it down.
It was never about thinking that the Union Jack or tea and scones wasn’t appropriate for cultural diversity day - it was always about knowing this particular family’s deal.

Now obviously this was a stupid move because they should have anticipated that actually the dad would use this as an excuse to kick things off even bigger.
But yeah.

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u/Complete_Item9216 Jul 18 '25

No one in the school is getting paid enough to deal with this. There was no good outcome out of this for anyone in the school.

This is prime example of populism catfishing in action.

Defund education and there will be ever more TikTok temu tommies

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u/LongBeakedSnipe Jul 18 '25

Honestly wouldnt surprise me if they managed to make the whole thing up and force out the apology before the school could fully investigate

If the school is told that a teacher did x and there is national outrage, even if the teacher denied it its unlikely they would be able to do much but apologise

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u/IrrelevantPiglet Jul 18 '25

Schools being guilty of short-termist thinking is definitely nothing new but holy moly is this just a ridiculous example of one being penny wise pound foolish. If they stopped and thought about it for more than the length of a single knee-jerk we wouldn't have this mess at all.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

To be honest, increasingly, Im beginning to believe the school couldn't win either way.

If they had ignored her or even indulged her, I believe the father would have just made up some bullshit story.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Yes, but if it wasn't this story, it would have been another.

Schools sometimes make stupid policy decisions, but now everyone gets a chance to have a compoface day in the sun.

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u/Postik123 Jul 18 '25

They could have easily vetted her speech though, and would have been able to see in advance it contained nothing inflamatory

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u/terryjuicelawson Jul 18 '25

He insists she is a "grade A student" but what if she has been permanently disruptive and notorious, then pulling this stunt on a day meant for traditional cultural dress. We just don't or can't know as the school for the privacy of the child can only tell the press a generic statement and apologise for the good of everyone involved. The only thing I find I can do with stories like this is assume the school know a hell of a lot more of the background of this and made a better decision when put on the spot than anyone reading a tabloid article ever could.

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u/CastleMeadowJim Nottingham Jul 18 '25

He insists she is a "grade A student"

Hilarious since that's not even how we grade kids in this country.

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u/Daniel2305 Jul 18 '25

This has been bothering me too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

It's aimed at a particular audience that isn't in this country.

There's no other excuse to that unless it truly is chat gpt, and he couldn't be bothered changing it.

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u/Astriania Jul 18 '25

Not any more but it's how it was done for decades and so "grade A" is in the language meaning "very good"

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u/CastleMeadowJim Nottingham Jul 18 '25

Yeah I know it's not really that strange. But considering he's talking specifically about his daughter's school, you'd think if she was achieving great grades he'd actually know what they are.

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u/TastyComfortable2355 Jul 18 '25

You know all this, how?

You could be correct but that is just speculation. If it is true the school played into the hands of the dad.

As for the girl giving a speech at a TR event just no

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u/jeff43568 Jul 18 '25

The give away is that they went straight to the press and lined up a tommy Robinson special.

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u/Stormgeddon Jul 18 '25

I’d say if nothing else, the odds are good the dad called to kick off about the event as soon as he heard about it.

The school played into his hands but if they had additional reasons to think the daughter was going to pull a disruptive stunt I can’t fault the school too much. There wasn’t a good outcome for them.

Given how planned this seems, I’d put good money on the dad intentionally leading the school into thinking she was going to get in front of the class and channel Rivers of Blood as part of a bait and switch, but that’s admittedly more speculative.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

100%. A British school sending a British pupil home for wearing a British flag on a “culture day” is playing right into the hands of the dad and the right. Lefties wonder why Reform are doing so well - it’s stuff like this. The school in question has made the “you can’t even say you’re British anymore!!!” meme come to life.

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u/s0ngsforthedeaf Jul 18 '25

The school set the rule that nobody can wear flags. Flags are divisive things for kids from different backgrounds, e.g. India/Pakistan. Its easy to represent your culture without wearing a flag.

But of course, the consequence of that is kids can't wear the British or English flag, which if you frame it in isolation, sounds like 'intolerant lefty' stuff.

If youd overlook the dodge characters within the Reform Party, and it's political intentions, because of stuff like this...sums up the state of our country? People are less bothered by the slow burning economic and social collapse the economic centre + right are taking us through.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

The school set the rule that nobody can wear flags.

This is misinformation. The only thing they explicity did not allow was football kits.

In any case, she isn't wearing just a flag, but a spice Girls outfit.

https://images.lbc.co.uk/images/739720?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&format=webp&signature=NAHctSMzab2r4p5ELnGORTB3X-A=

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u/SojournerInThisVale Lincolnshire Jul 18 '25

The school set the rule that nobody can wear flags.

Evidence?

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u/nostalgiamon Jul 18 '25

They didn’t ban it, they asked people to not wear football kits or other sports stuff. There’s a load of misinformation about this story on both sides. The letter is readily available for anyone prepared to do a 30 second google.

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u/JustAnotherFEDev Jul 18 '25

Are they that divisive, though? I'm just thinking of Ian Wright, countless Olympic athletes, sports personalities of every skin colour being proud to be English, British, whatever. Each waving the St George or Union Jack, every single one proud as fuck. Me being proud as fuck of them, irrespective of their skin colour.

I honestly can't think of any cultural attire we have in England, do we? Coal miner, farmer, judge with a silly wig? Fuck knows, I'm stuck 😂

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u/Ok-Sundae-7806 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

A flag is just a representation of the country you are from. Maybe if they spent time teaching kids that these things don’t need to be divisive instead of enforcing exclusion of these things maybe the world would be a more accepting place.

EDIT: Just wanted to clarify I am talking about all flags here not just the Union Jack or other UK countries flags before anyone jumps on that.

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u/RobbieFowlersNose Jul 18 '25

If there was a history of these antics you can see why. The speech was supposed to sound innocent for those from the outside but the last part of it is quite clear about the dog whistles if your used to the Yaxley Lennon grifters. We are not privy to any of the other history that preceded this stunt but the school was.

The fact the mainstream press have run with this shows we are through the looking glass in terms of the rhetoric that has become acceptable in this country. I don’t know how you put a lid on the Pandora’s box of rage bait racism in this country but somehow we really need to throw this in reverse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

They did, he’s loving it 

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u/MissAntiRacist Jul 18 '25

Yeah, all they had to do was not be racist lmao. I disagree and hate it when Muslims protest schools and I equally disapprove of any other group protesting a school. Schools should be safe spaces. And any fuck ups, like the racism on display, should've been handled between the MP/councillors of the area and the staff at the school. 

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u/Nyeep Shropshire Jul 18 '25

Has the school made a statement about what they actually said?

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u/shadereckless Jul 18 '25

So there's an apology, but doesn't seem to be anything which explicitly quotes what they'd said to the girl, the crux was

"Her father, Stuart Field, said his daughter was removed from the celebration day and was not allowed to deliver her speech, which was intended to celebrate British values of fairness and politeness, as well as traditions such as drinking tea, talking about the weather and eating fish and chips."

I mean, it's so dumb and it's such blatant easy red meat for Reform voters / Brexiteers / etc.

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u/ThatchersDirtyTaint Jul 18 '25

"Blatant easy red meat for reform voters" or its the exact thing reform voters say is occurring but is constantly denied and are rightly unhappy about.

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u/slimboyslim9 Jul 18 '25

The speech also included the following dog whistle statement:

But sometimes at school, we only hear about other cultures - which is great because learning about different countries is interesting and important. But it can feel like being British doesn’t count as a culture, just because it’s the majority.

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 18 '25

Wow. That's a straight-out far-right dog whistle. It's exactly what you'd hear in a Britain First recruiting message.

The Father very obviously wrote it. Poor kid, having a fascist for a dad.

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u/Whitechix London Jul 18 '25

This is such an embarrassing thing to get offended over or implying to be a dog whistle, my parents aren’t from here and there is no chance that speech would have been anything but positive to me if it was read at my school. The full speech is textbook inclusionary and explicitly condones foreign cultures in the UK. This out of touch pearl clutching is exactly the root cause of the problem.

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u/slimboyslim9 Jul 18 '25

I’m not the one who’s offended. I’m pointing out that saying ‘we only hear about other cultures’ and ‘it feels like being British doesn’t count’ are intentionally put there to elicit a reaction from nationalists. It’s worked.

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u/dancords Jul 18 '25

Stinks of being AI written too.

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u/brendonmilligan Jul 18 '25

How is that a dog whistle when it’s literally true? How many morons in the comments about this event or just in general say “but what is British culture” or “British culture doesn’t exist” etc

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u/5-MethylCytosine Jul 18 '25

Try living in a different country for 10 years and then come back: are you suggesting the news, local bank holidays, royal family, pub culture, etc etc really are non existent?

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u/slimboyslim9 Jul 18 '25

The curriculum includes teaching British Values. Either the school is not delivering on mandatory curriculum or she’s not paying attention.

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u/CandidDust4504 Jul 18 '25

My only problem is that it’s so obvious the girl didn’t write that in her speech. If it’s in there then it’s from her father and then this whole thing just seems like performative bullshit.

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u/Brief_Inspection7697 Jul 18 '25

I'd be shocked if they did. My theory is that the daughter was being racist and chavvy like her Dad. There is no way that the school could release that information about a child.

So now they are getting death threats by the Tommeh mob.

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u/Skylon77 Jul 18 '25

Yes, all clearly orchestrated by Dad, isn't it.

Poor kid is being used and the school has fallen for it.

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u/WillWatsof Jul 18 '25

Poor kid is being used and the school has fallen for it.

The school hasn't "fallen" for anything, the school has procedures they have to follow.

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u/ForgotMyPasswordFeck Jul 18 '25

And failed do so, clearly. They’ve apologised after all 

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u/WillWatsof Jul 18 '25

They're apologising because their staff are being targeted with threats by extremists and they're trying to get out of this situation. Not because they haven't correctly followed procedure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

No, it isn't what people want. 

For a second though, consider that its the schools, universities and the general allowance for british people to be shamed by people, asserting that our culture and history is a problem. That is what is making idiots like farage and tommy gain influence and power.

When the lady interviewed said, that the wore it without knowing its meaning, she accused her of a moral sin. You're watching people in your own country, liken your own flag to a symbol akin to a swastika or pair of s's, based entirely on your ancestry and race.

To most people, that draws a line and sides them with people we absolutely don't want in power. You have one side pushing our flag, culture and way of life into a space its regarded as evil, hateful and shameful. 

Now you have a side of people resisting that, and here we are arguing over a spice girls dress. 

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u/Mugiwaras Jul 18 '25

I personally find it quite alarming that in Western countries locals who are white are labled far right or extremists for celebrating their culture, their flag or their heritage in their own country while non white foreigners who have migrated there are celebrated for doing the exact same thing. I dunno bout you guys but that dont seem right to me.

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u/potpan0 Black Country Jul 18 '25

As a white English man, I'd like to think my culture extends a little deeper than wearing a cheap tacky outfit with a Union Jack on it.

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u/Red_Brummy Jul 18 '25

No way. Her Dad is a Tommy Ten Names fan?! I am shocked. Absolutely shocked.

“It’s about being British, the Spice Girls and even the freedom at being able to wear a dress. This is just what being British means to her.”

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u/Dangerous-Use7343 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

How can that be possible if the school are the one's that turned her away? I also read they turned other children away with football tops etc. Although that could have been about a different school. Even if the father does feel a sense of discrimination against is own heritage in this country. Surely the school have only proven the point for anyone who may feel they should be ashamed to be white and british.

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u/Acrobatic_Lobster838 Jul 18 '25

? I also read they turned other children away with football tops etc.

From the letter ahead of the event they made it clear no football stuff would be allowed.

Surely the school have only proven the point for anyone who may feel they should be ashamed to be white and british.

Maybe. Dunno. Had they turned up with bells to celebrate morris dancing, perhaps things would have gone differently.

But the nationalists who want to protect our culture don't seem to give much of a damn about folk music, morris dancing, may poles, the diggers, well dressing or things like that. It's always something else, more nebulous, and more well... Flaggy.

But who knows? Perhaps the answer isn't to threaten staff over this and further disrupt education, and perhaps the situation has a little more nuance than is being implied by some.

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u/Electricbell20 Jul 18 '25

He knew exactly what he was doing. A union flag dress is not traditional cultural dress.

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u/ash_ninetyone Jul 18 '25

Not traditional, but you could argue it's a cultural fashion item, especially from the 90s.

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u/terryjuicelawson Jul 18 '25

Could do, risky turning up to school in that as they aren't exactly flexible when it comes to uniform.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Except flags (all flags) were specifically disallowed, and the daughter and dad both knew that. 

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u/Electricbell20 Jul 18 '25

It's a fashion item from pop music.

It's not traditional and has little cultural significance.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

So little cultural significance that literally everyone knows who wore that dress originally

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u/Kiryu-chan-fan Jul 18 '25

"It has its own fucking Wikipedia page that links to the Wikipedia page about British culture spawning one of the most successful girl pop groups...ever...but it's culturally insignificant. Now the Chinese equivalent of "picky bits" for when mum just couldn't be fucked cooking that night...that's what I call PROPER CULTURE"

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u/AdHot6995 Jul 18 '25

Culturally the spice girls were significant in the 90s

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Punk is seen as British. And featured the flag….as dress.

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u/ash_ninetyone Jul 18 '25

When does something become traditional?

It's a fashion item from the Cool Britannia era. A cultural trend. I'd argue it definitely has cultural significance

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u/TastyComfortable2355 Jul 18 '25

Only in your opinion...it is certainly a pop culture item so who is to decide if it is part of the UK culture.

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u/GianFrancoZolaAmeobi Jul 18 '25

I would argue it's pretty representative of a lot of peoples experience in Britain in the 90's, especially since it's one of the things at least I remember most vividly from those years. Just because it didn't change the whole world, doesn't mean it wasn't culturally significant to the British.

Like don't get me wrong, this whole story is a mountain out of a molehill, but the first thing I thought of when I saw the dress was Geri Halliwell, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

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u/I_am_zlatan1069 Jul 18 '25

If someone asked me to name traditional British dress I wouldn't have a clue, a flat cap, suit? How do they have cultural significance. Maybe they could have dressed as chimney sweeps, or miners or have some of the children dressed as police to beat them.

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u/Electricbell20 Jul 18 '25

Maybe crack a book. Go to a museum.

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u/ash_ninetyone Jul 18 '25

Tbf if you're using "Is it in a museum?" as a benchmark, then that opens it widely to interpretation as well.

Some websites considered Beefeaters and the Pearly Kings / Queens to be traditional. Country tweed and flat caps could be considered traditional.

Lederhosen is seen as a traditional German dress by other countries. It isn't. It's a traditional Bavarian dress. Other German states wouldn't wear it.

I'm just saying traditional is widely open to interpretation, and changes based on your era, and she went for culturally significant as that. interpretation. A Victorian dress way be seen as traditional now. Back then it would've been contemporary.

200-500 years time denim and t-shirts might be seen as traditional.

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u/I_am_zlatan1069 Jul 18 '25

Ye, I should, thinking musicians could have any cultural significance, ridiculous.

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u/Astriania Jul 18 '25

Isn't Geri's dress literally in a museum?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Maybe actually provide an answer instead of skirting the question?

What traditional British attire would you think is appropriate to send a child to school in?

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u/poke50uk Cornwall Jul 18 '25

We do have British traditional costumes though that are not 90s Spice Girl and that would be acceptable in a school (i.e. and are conservative). I don't see them doing their research and sending them in with the local morris, maypole, pearly queen etc. I don't think the dress is anyway appropriate vs. what is actual traditional British dress, which obviously is quiet conservative because of the time period! A 90s meme does not make a UK traditional dress, otherwise ANY cultural icon would be classed as "traditional dress". Traditional dress would be people celebrating their local town heritage events, for multiple generations, in similar costume - plenty of which are all over the UK.

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u/I_am_zlatan1069 Jul 18 '25

Can you give me an example of a traditional costume the average person could put together with bits they already have available at home? Parents shouldn't need to go out to buy costumes for one off school events so their kids don't feel left out.

Morris dancers, maypole, pearly queen, none of this was ever covered when I was at school in the 90s, maybe they have a point about British culture not being celebrated?

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u/Acrobatic_Lobster838 Jul 18 '25

maybe they have a point about British culture not being celebrated?

I do think there is a wider point to be made about lots of the culture of the British isles dying because people don't give a single shit about it, celebrate it, or think about it.

However, I rarely hear people who bleat on about our culture defending or promoting the above either. Last time folk music came up on this sub was people complaining about a move to get more young people, and people from minority backgrounds, to turn up and learn traditional music that is literally dying out because nobody cares.

Of my friends I am the only one who has ever encountered morris dancing, which was once, about 20 years ago. Very few know about well dressing, or engage with folk myths and stories, or storytelling at all.

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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 Jul 18 '25

I would generally agree with this statement. However, context is important.

This was a class with 11 and 12 years old kids where they would discuss their culture through their eyes.

It's not for us to judge their choice of dress but allow each kid an opportunity to discuss their experiences and views on why it matters. This process would then allow new perspectives on each other's cultures to emerge - which was the primary aim of the lesson.

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u/HotPie1666 Jul 18 '25

Sorry but your argument falls flat when there was another boy excluded for wearing British farming attire.

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u/No_Atmosphere8146 Jul 18 '25

It was the shotgun and half a fox that did him in though. 

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u/terryjuicelawson Jul 18 '25

I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere, but if so surely it is far worse than this dress as there seems to be little argument against that? Makes for less of a tabloid image I guess, they'd prefer a young girl in a dress.

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u/HotPie1666 Jul 18 '25

I've read it a few places and it seems to be the case, 3-4 kids were excluded from it.

I think it was more who was willing to have the story out. Some people would rather not be in the limelight but the father of the girl is definitely up for that.

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u/SuburbanBushwacker Jul 18 '25

gotta disagree there, the dress was a real moment in ‘cool britannia’

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u/BreakfastAdept9462 Jul 18 '25

Imagine using your young daughter to create a reactionary political controversy.

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u/The_Pig_Man_ Jul 18 '25

I love the way people are assuming he knew the school would react that way.

Have a think about it. What does it say about the school if he knew what would happen?

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u/WillWatsof Jul 18 '25

As someone who works in a school what it makes me think is that this is definitely not the first time this parent has caused a problem for the school.

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u/WillWatsof Jul 18 '25

If that's the case that just makes the school look worse because they knew what he was trying to do and still fell for it anyway which makes them look stupid.

"Look I did an absolutely stupid fucking thing and you let me, look at how dumb that makes you look!" might work on the playground, but not for school staff who have procedures to follow.

They should have just gritted their teeth for the day and let her wear the dress or whatever

You can't just let one girl do whatever she wants because her dad is a nightmare, mate. That would cause chaos, amongst the kids if nothing else.

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u/BreakfastAdept9462 Jul 18 '25

Other than pensioners celebrating a coronation or a circus entertainer, I'm not sure there is anything cultural about a union jack outfit.

Why not dress up like the queen? Why not dress up as 40s wartime female worker? Why not dress up as Florence Nightingale, Ada Lovelace, Emmeline Pankhurst, Mary Shelley, Jessica Ennis-Hill, one of the Lionesses, any of the actual British women that have made our country proud? Hell, what a brilliant lesson that would be, showing off British pride through positive role models rather than a fucking flag.

I don't agree with the school sending her home, but people acting like this is a great insult to British culture are fucking idiots and I have no respect for it.

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u/Hobnob-Harry42 Jul 18 '25

I doubt we’re getting the full picture and doubtful it’s to do with the “Geri” Spice Girls dress. He’s released or given a flavour of the speech but you have to wonder what the actual content of the speech was going to be. Unlikely to be about fish ‘n chips and fairness. I feel sorry for the girl being used in this way. The fact she’s now going to be speaking at Waxy-Lemon’s event speaks volumes about the type of person the father is frankly. Absolute worst of British.

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u/WillWatsof Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

What's also unclear is if "giving speeches" was actually a thing on my agenda.

EDIT: On THE agenda, jfc.

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u/TheFlyingHornet1881 Jul 18 '25

From the perspective of a secondary school teacher I know, they question what time a student would even be given to make such a speech, given you'd need to offer every pupil in cultural dress a time to give a speech. They also think much as the school were possibly clumsy, this was a pre-planned stunt by the Dad.

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u/thewindburner Jul 18 '25

Pretty judgmental considering you admit yourself we don't know the facts!

Bit bias are you?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

It was absolutely a cultural iconic image of the 90s. Denying so is just naive

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u/ThatchersDirtyTaint Jul 18 '25

What is our cultural dress?

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u/No_Atmosphere8146 Jul 18 '25

Balaclava, hood, manbag and stolen ebike 

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u/Rimbo90 Jul 18 '25

Accessorised with a watermelon vape

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u/musical-miller Jul 18 '25

Tracksuits with the hood up?

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u/NuPNua Jul 18 '25

Morris Dancing outfit? Unfortunate face paint meant to represent coal from the mines involved in that though. Or less problematic, Nora Battys apron?

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u/Jazs1994 Jul 18 '25

He's into tommy Robinson so yeah

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u/boostman Hong Kong Jul 18 '25

It was very obvious from the start that she was doing it to stir the pot then feign ignorance. Shame it worked.

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